Interesting Nito video

[KimoN]

Hi there just posting this vid on U-tube for everyone to see, because i think there might be some interest. The kendo isnt really good at all though...foot work all over the place!

The first strike the nito player attempts misses and hits the floor! LMAO very entertaining.

[Molleke]

hey there,

It would be even more interesting if you post the link...:square:

[ne0r]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4clIB1BeAc0&search=nito

Have you meant this? It's really cool! The nito-fighter kicks ass! How he can parry him! How he can hit him! ... Wanna learn nito ryu, too ...

[JBouch]

I've always been told that people shouldn't even flirt with stuff like jodan or nito until at least a ways into their time as a sandan, or even longer, because it requires a high level of mastery over chudan in order to be successful in it. It's not something you can rush into and have early success with.

[JSchmidt]

It's not something you can rush into and have early success with.

Actually, that's usually what happens: Because people are not used to fighting against jodan (or nito), you will have early success, especially so against your peers.
For the first month, jodan was easy (against peers) and then it became impossible. It's only now, almost 4 years later that I can with reasonable confidence call myself a jodan-player.

Jakob

[kanyil]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4clIB1BeAc0&search=nito

I guess it's nice that people are interested in nito, but both of them look like they are fairly new to kendo.

[Kingofmyrrh]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4clIB1BeAc0&search=nito

I guess it's nice that people are interested in nito, but both of them look like they are fairly new to kendo.
I have to agree. Flame away if you like, but that's just a guy whacking another guy with two sticks.

[Genya]

I think this guy knows something about nito.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sLuIBRya3xc&search=nito

[JBouch]

Actually, that's usually what happens: Because people are not used to fighting against jodan (or nito), you will have early success, especially so against your peers.
For the first month, jodan was easy (against peers) and then it became impossible. It's only now, almost 4 years later that I can with reasonable confidence call myself a jodan-player.

Jakob

If it only goes as far as your peers' first experiences with nito, is that really success? Nito is a pretty rare thing for me to see, and to a lesser extent so is jodan, so if somebody takes up one of those disciplines everybody they train with will begin to benefit. However, I don't see that entry phase, where both sides are first learning to either execute or respond to nito or jodan, as one where one can glean "success". Two months seems like a short time in terms of training to me, so for it to already have become "impossible" as you put it in that span, denotes a distinct lack of success.

Of course, that's the nature of it, as it's learning an entirely different way to fight. I'd be very surprised to hear of somebody winning gold in tournaments with nito or jodan the same year they took up practicing that style.

[JSchmidt]

If it only goes as far as your peers' first experiences with nito, is that really success?

It's all about perception. Look at the hasso/waki/gedan threads, with people 'trying' it and claiming success.
If you start doing something that everybody says is difficult (jodan/nito) and initially keep landing cuts on people, it will most certainly feel like your are doing extremly well. I still remember the first 'public' jodan session and I thought it went really well. I watched the video some 18 months later and was appalled at how attrocious it looked.
Now, if the guy in the video is running around saying that he's the king of nito, yeah, slam him down...but if he's just practicing, then please remember, we all looked like that at some stage. He might not even know that the video is out there...

Jakob

[JBouch]

I'm not meaning to slam anybody. Like I said, I don't think success comes quickly for anybody. I only made my first comment because seeing the video reminded me of a similar conversation I had had with one of my sensei a couple weeks ago, when somebody was using nito at a tournament. It's hard to find success quickly, but it's even harder to find any success at all if the chudan experience isn't there to back it up. That was really my only point.

[ne0r]

Can someone give me a link to a video of a jodan player or something? I am really wondering what it looks like.

[JBouch]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=517553147897524517&q=kendo+detroit

Eric getting his game on.

[Alex_McGrady]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4clIB1BeAc0&search=nito

Have you meant this? It's really cool! The nito-fighter kicks ass! How he can parry him! How he can hit him! ... Wanna learn nito ryu, too ...

Not to sound too disrespectful but WHAT IN THE HECK WAS THAT? Are they beginners or is this another style of kendo?

Thanks


Alex

[kuzu70]

I think this guy knows something about nito.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sLuIBRya3xc&search=nito

Thank you for the video.
I have never seen nito in 8-dan shinsa before.
The guy is badass. He is so solid.

[kuzu70]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=517553147897524517&q=kendo+detroit

Eric getting his game on.

The chudan guy is pretty good.

[Paburo]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=517553147897524517&q=kendo+detroit

Eric getting his game on.

i think the smaller seigan guy scored at least like 2 or 3 ippon prior to that last suriage men...

[ahmed61086]

Not to sound too disrespectful but WHAT IN THE HECK WAS THAT? Are they beginners or is this another style of kendo?

Thanks


Alex

No your right, the nito guy sucks, and the other guy looks like a beginner.

One of my dojomates has been doing nito for a few years and hes pretty good. If you want to see some pretty good nito, go on to youtube and get a video of Matthew raymond doing nito. His shoto looks like a snake the way he moves it, pretty scary.

[KhawMengLee]

No your right, the nito guy sucks, and the other guy looks like a beginner.

One of my dojomates has been doing nito for a few years and hes pretty good. If you want to see some pretty good nito, go on to youtube and get a video of Matthew raymond doing nito. His shoto looks like a snake the way he moves it, pretty scary.


Moocow/Itokazu's the snake...he's got real nice nito.

[ahmed61086]

Moocow/Itokazu's the snake...he's got real nice nito.

Do you have a clip...or two?

[KhawMengLee]

Used to be able to see a clip of him destroying some poor sap at the WKC in Glasgow...forgotten where it was from tho'

[ahmed61086]

If you ever find it, could you PM me the link? If not, thats OK.

[Awooga Guy]

This is Awooga Guy's favourite Nito clip:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=466980190634492158&q=kendo+nito

Hope you enjoy it as much as he did.


That is all.

[ender84567]

abbey's jodan does look pretty good, soon as classes lighten up i'm gonna have to take a trip to eastern to practice, especially if ponchart is actually practicing nito :calm: i think there is a strategy or 2 against nito not seen in that first video posted, soon as both swords are down, hes reach is much much shorter than yours, whats stopping the other guy from popping mad tsuki (other than everyones observations that hes a beginner)

[ScottUK]

This is Awooga Guy's favourite Nito clipWhat a scrap...!

Question: Do all nito kendoka fight gyaku nito?

[Fonsz]

This is Awooga Guy's favourite Nito clip:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=466980190634492158&q=kendo+nito

Hope you enjoy it as much as he did.


That is all.
Eiga sensei must have felt he was in hell. He stuck to him like lacquer on wood.
If the goal was to get a draw then he did very well. Poor Eiga being used as a leaning post.

[Ignatz]

Question: Do all nito kendoka fight gyaku nito?
Scott, I'm no nitto expert but I think most hold long sword in their left hand which would be "normal" and gyaku would be the other way. If I am wrong, please feel free to mark it down on your calendar so you can celebrate every year.:eek:
You can hold either sword in either hand. I have talked to sensei about possibly doing nitto because of problems with my left arm and hold long sword in my right hand.
I think for someone with iaido background this would feel more "natural".

I personally am not impressed by "bongo" nitto and, as someone trying to be kind of a purist, velcro kendo doesn't appeal to me either, but in team competition a tie is an accepted strategy.

[ScottUK]

In most koryu kenjutsu, kodachi is in the left hand and odachi is in the right. Those koryu that reverse the hands refer to it as gyaku-nito. I have marked my calendar... :)

Cheers for the response...

[Ignatz]

I have marked my calendar... :)
Now I have to go look it up because I only allow myself one error per century and it is kind of early.:ditsy:

[hobbit]

I'm just starting nito, I've been shown kodachi in left hand which certainly feels right to me . . . now if everyone would just stay still so I can cut them . .:smiley:

[Charlie]

The chudan guy is pretty good.

Is it you? :D Yeah, the competition at the annual Detroit tournament is always good! I forgot who Abbey's opponent was in this case.

[Paburo]

daito in left hand is called gyaku nito. koryu or kendo, it will always still be gyaku nito.

sei nito would be daito on the right hand. in koryu this is the default kamae for all nito styles. but in kendo, gyaku nito provides a better position to hit migi-kote and sei-dou. as can be seen in the following pictures.

kote from sei-nito:
http://www6.vc-net.ne.jp/~isiyosi/Dscf000511.jpg
notice how he has to cross swords in a weird way.

kote from gyaku-nito:
http://www6.vc-net.ne.jp/~isiyosi/Dscf000412.jpg
this is way more natural.

i'm no nito expert tho... just enthusiastic :D

[JoonShik]

with my experiences with playin against nito players, it depends on who you are. for me, I always got the left kote and gyaku do.

-I never seen people who held the daito in the right had, but I'm pretty sure there are people out there, like the guy in Korea who does Jodan with the right hand because he has no left hand.

[Suiken]

I train in a police dojo in Osaka. There is a 24yo 4dan policeman nito-fighter who is training there from time to time and he actually has the daito in the right hand! I never payed a lot attention to nito because I am not very much interested in it, so I can't really say if it is common here or not.
Anyway fighting against him is hell. He is very quick and accurante. I am simply no match for him and even most other struggle.

[Rouisu]

Though I 've only done nito for about 8 months, I'd like to offer my own two cents on the sei/gyaku nito subject.

Sei nito (right hand daito, left hand shoto) is the 'proper' kamae of nito. Think of it as a standard chudan with left hand on the bottom and right hand near the tsuba. However, gyaku nito (left hand daito right hand shoto) seems to be the 'preferred' kamae (I make this opinion due to the sheer rarity of sei nito kendoka).

I can probably give two reasons for this: 1, since some nito players are ex-jodan players (Toda sensei, the 8th dan nito player being an example), holding the daito in the left hand may seem more familiar to them. Secondly, since in kendo we are taught to power our cuts with the left hand, it may seem more convenient for the daito to be held in the left hand. For my case, I am left handed, so gyaku nito is the perfect fit for me.

Paburo, regarding that sei nito picture of yours. According to Toshio Nishimoto, a nito player in the Sydney Kendo Club, that's the proper way to strike a kote using sei nito. And it's not as impossible at it looks - during the recent New South Wales Kendo Championships, he scored an ippon in that fashion.

[Halcyon]

I can probably give two reasons for this: 1, since some nito players are ex-jodan players (Toda sensei, the 8th dan nito player being an example), holding the daito in the left hand may seem more familiar to them.
Speaking of Toda sensei, his gyaku nito is actually unorthodox because he puts his left foot forward, as in hidari jodan. Beautiful nito, nonetheless.

[ScottUK]

Is sei nito is left foot forward?

[Mike Molloy]

Mr Howell explained to us that sei nito mandates the daito being held in the right hand because you cannot draw the long sword with the left hand. As the shoto (in the left hand) is used for probing the opponent's defence the left foot is likely to be forward. However, you can cut on either foot so seems the footwork is pretty fluid.
In modern competition kendo gyaku nito is a more logical choice as it opens up kote and do. Fighting with real swords would be a different story!

Anybody who has Donn Draeger's book "Modern Bujutsu and Budo" check out the photograph of the nito player at the first WKC (1970). That is Mr Howell in action!

[Rouisu]

I really don't know if sei/gyaku nito has any sort of proper footwork, I was always under the impression that nito was flexible when it came to footwork. So if the foot the same side as the daito was in front, you would have additional range similar to a jodan user. If the foot the same side as the shoto was in front, you'd have more leeway in manipulating the opponent's shinai.

However, if I am to relate to Halcyon's statement about Toda sensei's left-foot forward gyaku nito as being 'unorthodox', then one could say that for sei nito, left foot forward would be the norm (in response to ScottUK's question). Though I really don't know.

[emitbrownne]

although I'm rubbish at nito (..well all kendo really) and everything I say must be taken with a pinch of salt I offer this.

I practice nito both ways (it gives an insight into your body mechanics and that of your opponents) and my footwork changes to match either the kamae I've adopted with my swords, the position I am in relative to my opponent, or how aggressive my spririt is.

If I'm lazy I use regular itto-chudan footwork, regardless of gyaku/sei.

If I'm aggressive/spirited, I try and use my best (or convoluted/messy depending on who you talk to) footwork to force the movement of my hips, to snap and recover cuts.