Backyard Ninjas

[F0cUzzzz]

Ok I now understand the anger towards backyard ninjas. Check out this link; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m-8ZqqKNX8

These guys are complete idiots that will probably end up seriously hurting somebody.

[rottunpunk]

maybe this is our troll. did you see the one 'training newbies in bok(no second k)en fight
tusk tusk
:p

[F0cUzzzz]

It just may be. He seems to think his style is very good and also very fast. The only thing keeping him from "losing" one of his matches is his oppenents fear of being hit. He claims he found a Shodan that is willing to "fight" him next week and he is going to video tape it. I usualy don't wish harm on people but I hope he gets his head split open. It goes totally against my principles and training but this kid needs to get wacked a couple of times before HE hurts somebody.

[joekc6nlx]

I can't see why a shodan would even stoop to do something like that. It's kind of like, against the principles of kendo, and I wouldn't demean myself if I were shodan by doing anything of the sort. Even if the idiot deserved it, I'd let one of his noob buddies "accidentally" hit him on the head with a bokken before I'd join in combat against him. Only problem is, he might not live to learn the lesson.

[yahiko_venom]

there are mutliple times when he lets go of the bokken, and swings it single handed. you dont have to HOPE he gets his head split open. if you look at there foot work, his back foot is horizontal (sp?). they also scream "hit him in the knee!" pff fools. i could take this guy, and im not even nidan yet...

[kensenbatusaii]

Ok I now understand the anger towards backyard ninjas. Check out this link; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m-8ZqqKNX8

These guys are complete idiots that will probably end up seriously hurting somebody.


why cant

you find

more interesting

threads to start


these are

after all

kids

we all passed this

stage

at some point

[Mukdo_Centered]

"umm.. my friend's style is gong fu dao when they are using it 1 handed and he had never taken a lesson in kenjutsu before.

the ceremonial taichi saber is actually really similar to a katana and we only had bokens and shinais but the style of martial art they were using is Chinese Saber. "

First off, If they're doing "chinese saber" why the crap are they using Bokken? It takes just as much to order a practice Tai Chi sword as it does to order a bokken.
And if I'm not mistaken, a tai chi sword is nothing like a katana. It's straight, double edged, differently balanced, and the hilt is waaay different.

[F0cUzzzz]

why cant

you find

more interesting

threads to start


these are

after all

kids

we all passed this

stage

at some point


At some point! According to his profile the "kid" that posted this is 29 years old. They are not playing with toy wooden swords but bokken. They yell things like, "hit him in the knee". He has other movies titled "Training Newbies in Bokken Sword Fighting". I'm sorry but if you are uninterested in this thread then don't post. I posted this in the "Flames" section because is pisses me off. This guy is not JUST going to hurt himself but potentially several of his friends and who knows who else indirectly.

[Mukdo_Centered]

O.o..29?? Jeez, I thought that there was some internally programmed cut off age in all of us for this stuff....I guess I was wrong..

[Newbie]

29?? Oh dear. I was hoping it was just kids stuffing about being idiots.

At least some of them are wearing protective gear - two of them are wearing gloves!!

[ScottUK]

we all passed this

stage

at some pointWhen I was 8. Those pesky kids...

[Penguin Rush]

Did you all see that video he has about fighting a kendoka? The video gets cut at the beginning and he claims he won.

[rottunpunk]

why cant you find more interesting threads to start these are after all kids we all passed this stage at some point

um, i never swung my bokken at my mates in the backyard, even after i started iai.
so no, we didnt all go trough this stage.
i like this thread as well...or is it you on the videos :D
:p

[yahiko_venom]

when i was in my "pre kendoka" phase, me and my bro would wear lacrosse equiptment. (the bulky gloves were WAY better than black leather ones...)
:edit: in the "vs kendoka" video, he claims that he "cut his leg and won, if anyone cared" thats bull.... if he is a real kendoka, then he wouldent be guarding his leg....

[rottunpunk]

did really old kendo have a leg target? i know they used to do leg sweeps.
i forgot, when i was 8 or 9 (not 29) i used to play with plastic toy swords and guns. and my first bow n arrer set had reall suction cups and a real leopard skin effect plastic knife sheath. im guessing my stage i went through wasnt quite like our youtube friend though.
maybe the real shodan hes facing is someone whos sick of him and just wants to teach him a lesson. i sure wouldnt mind and im just a 5th kyu ex-kendoka ;)
:p

[yohed55]

My "stage" consisted of me putting a bunch of plastic swords down my pants I didn't quite know what a saya was yet.... :bored:

[rottunpunk]

hehe. ah i must be bored. just sent him the following message. awaiting reply-teehee :D

hey dude. i noticed your boken fighting videos on youtube.
they are so cool. i noticed you were teaching other people. so whos your teacher and do you know of any clubs in england i can join.
how long does it take to be as good as you are? i noticed yopu dont wear any padding. is this safe?
cheers

[rottunpunk]

hehe got a reply :D

''There are no clubs in England to learn this from unfortunately. My teachers are just different martial art schools. I've done kung fu and kendo and fencing and other vaious European martial arts. Not wearing protective gear is definately NOT the way to go. We just don't care enough to pay for them.
How long does it take to get good? Probably a year of good teaching and hardcore training. ^_^

Now that does not answer your true question. But look into Chanbara and join a dojo that teaches it and i think it should be sufficient.''

so what do i reply to this?
:p

[lucy]

hehe got a reply :D

''There are no clubs in England to learn this from unfortunately. My teachers are just different martial art schools. I've done kung fu and kendo and fencing and other vaious European martial arts. Not wearing protective gear is definately NOT the way to go. We just don't care enough to pay for them.
How long does it take to get good? Probably a year of good teaching and hardcore training. ^_^

Now that does not answer your true question. But look into Chanbara and join a dojo that teaches it and i think it should be sufficient.''

so what do i reply to this?
:p

He says he did kendo? That's a shame, really, why the hell does he do this stuff then??:(

No idea what to tell him... :spchless:

His advice to look into chanbara is fairly reasonable, though, don't you think?

[stephanie dee]

Oh wow. I would love to be able to sit and watch that. It would be like the Romans and the Colosseum all over again, I could just cheer them on as they slowly kill each other, what a sport to watch!



''There are no clubs in England to learn this from unfortunately. My teachers are just different martial art schools. I've done kung fu and kendo and fencing and other vaious European martial arts. Not wearing protective gear is definately NOT the way to go. We just don't care enough to pay for them.
How long does it take to get good? Probably a year of good teaching and hardcore training. ^_^

At least he advises you to get protective gear, and to train hard.... But basically when he says hes done Kendo, he turned up like 3 times to some dojo then never went again...

As for a reply... dunno...

[rottunpunk]

hmmn, do i come out clean or play with him a bit more?
:p

[lucy]

Tell him the truth, I'd say.

[Washington]

Well.. hopefully they will step up to real blades and we can nominate them for Darwin Awards

[Kitsune]

these are

after all

kids

we all passed this

stage

at some point

Sure, my sweet argentino guy, when I was 6 years old and with a plastic sword...
But this guy is 29, so ain't a kid and ain't a plastic sword.

[F0cUzzzz]

When I first joined this forum a couple of weeks ago, I just read threads for a few days to get caught up and to see what was here. I found a number of threads full of attacks against "backyard ninjas" and I thought "these guys are harsh", "why don't they cut this guy a break?" and so on. I mean not everbody has access to Kendo or a good teacher. Many of us had our sword fight fantasies as kids and played as Knights or Samurai throughout our childhood. It was when I stumbled accross this guy that I began to understand the difference between childish play and serious training. At a certain age the childish playtime is over and it's time to train. In an uncontrolled environment this can be dangerous for yourself and others. Without the teacher the background and subtleties of the dojo you are really just hitting people with sticks. You could get quite fast and even come up with a few good "waza" if you will. But replace this stick wtih a sword and suddenly none of these invented techniques are worth a dime.

The difference between playing at sword fighting or hitting each other with sticks and Kendo is that Kendo trains a person for REAL sword work. Replace the stick in the non-kendo (or other art) attack and it's just bashing with a different implement. You may be able to train your body for fast reaction and to see and react to openings but no matter how you try to rationalize it, it's just not sword work.

[ScottUK]

Focuz,

What's your favourite band?

[F0cUzzzz]

Focuz,

What's your favourite band?


I don't have a favourite. But I like Bad Religion, Tool, Rage Against the Machine, The Greatful Dead, Eric Tessmer Band, Phoenix, and many more. I listen to a fairly broad range of music from punk to hardcore to funk and jazz. I guess it just depends on wether I'm listening to the message or the mood.

[ScottUK]

Cool, now imagine some wankers on YouTube named themselves Maynard, Adam, Justin and Danny and pretended to be Tool, but obviously weren't - and they were shit. Would you be pissed with them?

[keima]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m-8ZqqKNX8
the link on the topic of discussion. THAT IS NOT ME!!!


Dear kendokas
I am the "back yard ninja" that you guys have been talking about.
Yes, I did have recorded matches against a shodan.

And to prove that hes a shodan
http://www.boston-kendo.com/html/body_news.html
his name is danilo V. Check this for his shodan exam 2 years ago.

http://www.boston-kendo.com/html/body_news_archive.html
http://www.boston-kendo.com/html/body_auskf_2005_4.html
http://www.boston- kendo.com/html/body_aeuskf_spring_2005_1.html (far right)
Heres where the pictures came from
http://www.boston-kendo.com/html/body_news.html

These are my matches against him:
score: 2 win 1 lose against him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJJ-HL5SXnA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ2XrggIRzk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ompspBgyAMc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzaPYxd5TJU


Now let me explain myself before you all decide to kill me:
I do not want to hurt anyone. The Bokkens were padded and plus we pull our attacks on the men and tsuki. My training, you guys all well know. What i am about is mixed martial arts duels. ie. Chinese sword styles vs jap. This includes putting asian arts against European styles, etc. THese are some of the events that i am talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaYZI3oCfuA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi7TAQOWhKc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QPXYXPrXlU

As for protective gear, we ARE suposed to be wearing it, we just dont feel like it. And everyone who spars with me I tell them to do so but since they dont then ....
And another thing is the COST, kendo bogu is like 500 bux man.. cant afford that... when we do wear gear tho, we use replacements of taekwondo and karate and kung fu sparring ones, these styles we all practiced our whole lives.

Sorry for any offence i did to kendo (which i still practice, i just dont prefer the style when it comes to duels)

PS, we all trained with real swords (katas of various forms) so its not like we dont know what we are doing...

yohed55 wrote:
> Hey what do ya know! He is a shodan. sorry for bothering you. Why don't you ask him to set you up with a sparring match with somebody else at his dojo who is at least a 3rd dan.

and no we are not fighting our senseis and sempais in fact we dont want them to know we are doing this. IT IS DISRESPECT!!! I already gave this talk to so many people.

AND AGAIN PLEASE PASS ON MY MSGS to the kendo federation or whatever.

[keima]

And i encourage all of you who live in the East Coast of USA to have a duel with me. Fighting different people and different styles only helps u learn ur own weakness at I did. If you have any questions for me email me: ShadowAvatar@gmail.com. And Rottunpunk, i knew u were just testing me, i mean who is dumb enough to say that my videos were cool? They were at that time all against beginers. But nonetheless, the advice i gave you would be the same if you were just some misled youth who took an interest in sword training. And yohed55 knows my password so if i say anything stupid u know he did it. ^_^ (just wait until you guys see the videos where we used jujutsu in kendo, NOW THATS A MARTIAL ART not that such a video exists but when u guys clintch, u'll know waht i mean)

[keima]

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[keima]

Here is one of my European long sword duels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW0V5MoAjag

even though it was a knock down he was fine. It was done with foam swords

[keima]

http://www.samuraisports.com/chanbara/letter.html

[ahmed61086]

..........................didnt mean to post. I misread.

[keima]

it means no rank

[ahmed61086]

For a second, I thought you meant, "beyond rank", so its sounded pretty bad.

[keima]

did u read the whole forum? And why i am even here?

[rottunpunk]

heyo keima.
thanks for clearing things up, and sorry for playing with ya.
my advice to avoid stuff like this, and kids copying your vids in the future would be to take them off youtube, however.
put some proper stuff on instead :D
:p

[ScottUK]

PS, we all trained with real swords (katas of various forms) so its not like we dont know what we are doing...I was gonna post something along the lines of experience but I can't be arsed. If you are happy to play around in your back yard, go knock yourselves out. You'd be much better off actually practicing a JSA rather than pissing about with rubber boffers.

[keima]

first of all, proper gear rottunpunk = i cant afford a bogu and bear in mind, the friends that i spar with, i'd have to provide one for them too. Now there have been situations where we did it with Karate gear (I am repeating myself here). But NO ONE ON YOUTUBE IS GOING TO COPY WHAT WE DID BECAUSE IT JUST LOOKED SO UNCOOL. The backyard videos were just us having a little fun while adding some swordwork into play. The videos of me vs kendokas were the serious duels.

And what is JSA? Japanese standards?

[Ignatz]

If you get some big shoes and a red nose you can be a clown, you are certainly funny enough.
Serious duels.
Hahahahahahah.

[ScottUK]

Japanese Sword Arts

[ScottUK]

The videos of me vs kendokas were the serious duels.I'd like you to meet my friend, Musashi sensei...

[Munnin]

I am sorry keima (http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/member.php?u=7302) but I am confused, you say you do Kendo but dont prefer that style for dules. Yet at the same time you declare bogu too expensive. Well how are you doing kendo?

Oh, and where on the east cost are you?

[keima]

In the dojo they just have me hit other people in bogu and do kidikiaishi etc.

[keima]

And I live in MA.
To be serious in a duel means you have to have the will to win and to lose is to be shamed. Back then the samurai who survived losing duels killed themselves. But it is not the case now, if we try our hardest to win and still lose we know and have something to improve on. That is what i mean by serious fights.

[ender84567]

serious duel is to kill or be killed, shame is not an option. again refer to musashi sensei as was illustraited earlier. EDIT: and again in theory there wouldnt be an oppertunity to kill themselves their aite wouldnt let them just stand around and go home... again in theory all actual duels were shinken shobu, even if you just lost a limb in thoese days you might as well be dead at that point due to infection.

[ender84567]

sorry for double post, but kendo is serious, at the point where you do reigi and go to tai-to you better be ready to kill or be killed, or you are little more than cutting practice for aite. Thats IMHO the proper attitude for kendo.

[ScottUK]

In the dojo they just have me hit other people in bogu and do kidikiaishi etc.So basically you were an absolute beginner for a year?

[Mr. T.]

keima,

I don't know man. You do 7 MA, that's way to much to learn something useful. You'll mix up the different arts and progress in all arts will be slow or none at all at some point. If you're really serious, stick with 1 or 2. Take lessons until you have a sufficient level, then start with the next.

I still don't get how you've enough time to do all this stuff and still go to school. Besides I don't think your sensei will be happy if he found out what your doing to his beautiful art. You’re basically raping kendo (just my opinion) for your own entertainment. You don’t sound serious about kendo, you sound like a guy that just want to learn how to swing a shinai and the moves on to the next art. This way you’ll never learn an art properly. If you’re serious about kendo, wait until you understand the basics (shodan) before continuing this kind of nonsense. That way you will have some idea about proper sword techniques and swordfighting.

[F0cUzzzz]

Keima,

Mixed martial arts sword fighting is an exciting idea for sure. Fogive me for getting the wrong impression from your videos and messages on YouTube. When I hear things like "hit him in the knee" and "come on pussy" I don't generally think of somebody with any respect for martial arts. Good luck on your journey to learning all 7 of your martial arts.

[keima]

This is something the shodan said to me "lets go again on thursday, i feel so bad about losing, but hey at least i can take you in kendo."

But yes you are right, i am a beginner at kendo (never said i wasn't)

As for different martial arts, it is because i move around a lot and there are different dojos everywhere i go. I did gong fu for the longest but ever since i moved away for school, i had not been able to continue that but did find a nice jujutsu and muay thai school to train with. And i am in the fencing team for my school too. There are also clubs where they teach European combat styles and I am friends with those guys so we spar and learn from eachother. My school also offers karate as gym credit so i am doing that as well, also i had karate ranking back when i was a teeenager.

Kill or to be killed ideal... cant agree more, but also remember that my oponent is my friend self control is necesary when landing the strike but everything before that, is that ideal

[keima]

O 1 other thing, cameraman is always trying to be funny. Hence the "get him in the knee" and "common pussies"

We all get a laugh out of it afterwards but we dont want it as a disrepect to the martial art.

and i'd be just doing kendo for this whole summer but afterwards, i dont know.

[Kenzan]

Is it me, or does the "Shodan" in the video not move like I would expect a Shodan to.
Where's the extension? Where's the Kime?
And why would a Shodan participate in such a thing?
Without Bogu? With a Bokken?
Something is strange here.
What am I missing?
Am I wrong?

[Hank]

IT IS DISRESPECT!!!I agree completely. Please stop posting and leave.

[rottunpunk]

i agree with kenzan.
i just had a look at the other videos.
so which one is the shodan?
because i was better than that after 2 weeks and my technique is hopeless.
what i meant by videoing some proper stuff is maybe take your camera down to a training session, then post some real training on youtube, not backyard ninjer stuff
if you know your teacher wouldnt be happy with what you are doing, why do it?
good luck in mastering your 7 arts btw
:p

[Mr. T.]

As for different martial arts, it is because i move around a lot and there are different dojos everywhere i go. I did gong fu for the longest but ever since i moved away for school, i had not been able to continue that but did find a nice jujutsu and muay thai school to train with. And i am in the fencing team for my school too. There are also clubs where they teach European combat styles and I am friends with those guys so we spar and learn from eachother. My school also offers karate as gym credit so i am doing that as well, also i had karate ranking back when i was a teeenager.

Kill or to be killed ideal... cant agree more, but also remember that my oponent is my friend self control is necesary when landing the strike but everything before that, is that ideal

The fact that a shodan does this kind of stuff surprises me. It shows little respect towards kendo (just my opinion). Again, does the sensei know what you are doing; I don't think he would like this. The shodan should be ashamed. Taking part in a sword MMA experiment ok, but this is just bashing around for entertainment.

Doubt you will ever be good at any of these arts. Just to many different styles. You'll just mix them up, not good if you want to progress. Why don't pick 1 or 2 and be good at them instead of doing that much and be average at all of them? It sounds like you want to much, maybe it's time to grow up and make choices and focus on them instead of doing a little bit of everything.

Now what do you mean with European fighting styles? Just curious.

[keima]

European Style = long sword, saber, epee, foil, saber, hand and a halfs

the fact that the shodan would do it is because we have been friends since he was a freshman in high school. I held a martial arts club and taught him kung fu. I didnt know kendo then but he introduced me. (back then i was only doing 1 style but i explained what happened)

Again i explain that we both agreed that it would be disrespect to our sensei if we did this in front of them, i mean this is not kendo its just a fight. But the true reason is to see how a kendoka would fair against other styles and vice versa.

Now can someone draw the line of having personal dueling practice and disrespecting kendo?

[Ignatz]

. . .i mean this is not kendo its just a fight. . .
No, it is a couple of wieners hitting each others sticks because they are afraid of getting hit. It is something that a lot of kids who don't have the discipline to stick with kendo do.
Your seven martial arts are probably junk too because you do a little then quit and say that you can start your own thing.

[keima]

o for those of you who wants to compare taichi saber (not taichi sword) and katana

http://www.wle.com/products/vjty06.html

my gong fu school used bokkens as taichi sabers due to similarities. Its easier to find a padded bokken that is the reason y.

[keima]

i didnt quit kendo. Nor any of the other martial arts except gong fu.

[Kenzan]

All I have to say on the matter is that if this Shodan had done a basic Men cut with any Bokken and any sort of proper Kime on you, you would not be here.
You probably would be in an intensive care unit or worse.
Had he done a proper Kote, you would probably never grasp a sword again.
I am not saying to look down on what you do or to be haughty.
There is a very good reason why Kendoka wear bogu. (Trust me on this)
Even with equipment, I can tell you first hand that knockouts, swollen wrists, and bruised ribs are only some of the fun injuries that can and do happen.
I implore you, all jest and flamage aside, for your own safety, please consider what you are doing and stop this madness of unprotected full contact Bokken sparring.

And I also urge you to stick with good Kendo Dojo and learn why I am advising this.
It is a disaster in the making.

[keima]

even if the bokken is padded?

[keima]

by the way: which do you guys think offers more protection
this:
http://www.damascusgear.com/section/products/flex_force/fx1.html

or your bogu?
They both cost about the same. lol

[ahmed61086]

Actually, for Kendo, bogu definitly gives more protection.

There is no throat protection, no protection for your fingers. Not good at all.

[Alison2805]

Too many things you say dont add up.

Youre a student, right? Highschool because you are doing karate as a gym credit. But you opened and taught your own kung fu club? You also "learn" off friends who do other arts by mucking around with them. It sounds like most of the MA you practise are just a case of a friend during lunchtime saying "hey, Ill show you how to headbutt a wall". I did 6 months of boxing/wrestling and judo at school. I would never in my right mind say that I have practised them as an MA because I would be talking out of my butt. And I sure as hell wouldnt claim to "open a club". What a load.

You make sarcastic comments about the shodan you "fought" and about the cost of bogu. None of the kendo beginners I know would ever do that. You say you are mukyu in kendo? And have never put on bogu...

You film and put a video of a fight on the net - which indicates that you think its cool enough to show around - and then go out of your way to get in contact with a kendo forum to discuss it, but then claim that you thought it was so uncool noone would try to copy or whatever. If I knew something I was recording was bad and disrespectful (you admit youd never let your sensei see this) then I would delete it.

I think you are some highschool nerd who has an inflated idea of your own importance, wanted people to love your video (as does everyone who posts them. You dont post wanting to get a negative reaction), and thought that proper kendoka would respect you if you explained yourself.

[yohed55]

Actually I went out of my way for him to discuss it on here. :smoker:

[Alison2805]

for entertainment??

[keima]

Youre a student, right? Highschool because you are doing karate as a gym credit.
I am not in high school anymore. And gym credit was for college. And i did karate before that just moved away as I explained.


But you opened and taught your own kung fu club?
True that is because i have been doing kung fu for years in a martial arts school.

And yohed55 was the one who encouraged me to discuss it here.


And no one answered my question yet: Is it alrgiht for a paded bokken fight and where do we draw the line between disrespecting kendo and practicing personal duels?

[Ignatz]

And no one answered my question yet: Is it alrgiht for a paded bokken fight and where do we draw the line between disrespecting kendo and practicing personal duels?
Your entire premise is stupid.

[verissimus]

And no one answered my question yet: Is it alrgiht for a paded bokken fight and where do we draw the line between disrespecting kendo and practicing personal duels?

I think one crosses the line when one contemplates it. Speaking for myself, I did not start kumdo to get into personal duels with people (even friends), because duelling has by-and-large been made irrelevant by modern weaponry. You may think otherwise.

It's your backyard, your bokken, and your skull, so you can do what you want - you don't need this forum's permission. But as soon as one makes one's demonstrations public, one should be prepared for ridicule.

[keima]

Your entire premise is stupid.
please dont say something without giving a reason.



because duelling has by-and-large been made irrelevant by modern weaponry. You may think otherwise.
I just want to understand the tactics and thought process that people put into creating each martial art. But Hey people learn kenjutsu so apply to other things right? like business, etc.
Another aspect is the sporting fun of it.
To fignt well with a sword or any other martial arts is to know its strategies so deeply that you can react in an instant.
that is why there are sports like MMA (UFC)
gun > MA lol
Well, thats just my opinon w/e people here are very arrogant anyway and will probably get flamed even more.



But as soon as one makes one's demonstrations public, one should be prepared for ridicule.
lol have you seen some of the kendo demos? It went like this: both guys go in kemai then one guy exposes his men and another guy hits it. And they repeat that over and over again... my roomate who dont know any MA made the comment: wouldnt he just get stabed in the face if he just stuck his stick out?
iono...

[ScottUK]

But Hey people learn kenjutsu so apply to other things right? like business, etc.No. We learn kenjutsu in order to learn kenjutsu. Not for duelling, business etc.

[Ignatz]

please dont say something without giving a reason..
Your statements are reason enough. You know nothing about kendo. You apparently do not have the mental or intestinal fortitude to learn and instead do this stupid stuff.
Clown.

[verissimus]

lol have you seen some of the kendo demos? It went like this: both guys go in kemai then one guy exposes his men and another guy hits it. And they repeat that over and over again... my roomate who dont know any MA made the comment: wouldnt he just get stabed in the face if he just stuck his stick out?
iono...

Yes, I have seen many kumdo demos. I have seen my own, and they would probably generate the same kind of comment your roommate made. Fortunately, I am not learning kumdo to please your roommate.

I'm not even going to waste time and explain the "repeat that over and over again", since it is obvious you tried kumdo just for the feel of it (fair enough). But know this: there are no quick ways to learn kumdo; and you will find many people on this forum who've practiced for years and still consider themselves beginners.

[verissimus]

I just want to understand the tactics and thought process that people put into creating each martial art.

And you're not going to do that by attending Kendo 101. You want to learn in six months (or worse, in your backyard) what other people still don't know after decades?

Fair enough. Looks like you just picked the wrong art, that's all. (That doesn't mean you won't get ridiculed).

Let's move on.

[Kenzan]

If I am not mistaken, the whole premise that keima has presented seems to be about serious non-sanctioned freestyle "dueling."
and If I am also not mistaken, isn't dueling with most types of weaponry esp. swords in non-sanctioned martial art instruction setting illegal in most parts of the world?

du·el
1. A prearranged, formal combat between two persons, usually fought to settle a point of honor.
2. A struggle for domination between two contending persons, groups, or ideas.

To further this, you wrote:



To be serious in a duel means you have to have the will to win and to lose is to be shamed. Back then the samurai who survived losing duels killed themselves. But it is not the case now, if we try our hardest to win and still lose we know and have something to improve on. That is what i mean by serious fights.

On the idea that all Samurai who lost duels always killed themselves (if they were not killed in the duel) I believe this is a sterotype which is, according to my experience, inaccurate. But there are people much wiser than I on this forum who might offer a better explanation of what the real story was.
I think you might be confused with movie Samurai Vs. History.

I am wondering, what is your goal with these duels?
How do you determine who wins or loses?

Also, what's the name of your Gung Fu school?
Who supports/sanctions it?
What style(s) do you teach?
Lastly, how old are you?

[Mr. T.]

European Style = long sword, saber, epee, foil, saber, hand and a halfs

Just fencing I guess.

Again i explain that we both agreed that it would be disrespect to our sensei if we did this in front of them, i mean this is not kendo its just a fight. But the true reason is to see how a kendoka would fair against other styles and vice versa.

It’s just a disrespectful to do this kind of stuff behind in back and without his permission. What’s the use of this anyway? You need to be experts in the arts to get a proper view of what’s of crossover swordfights, you 2 aren’t experts, you’re just a bunch of beginners.

Now can someone draw the line of having personal dueling practice and disrespecting kendo?

I did a couple of times. You don’t do this kind of stuff unless you’ve attained a proper level of expertise (8th dan or something similar) in the arts you want to duel in and permission by you instructors. If you don’t have both of them, you're just screwing around and by doing this you’re disrespectful to the arts you practice.


And no one answered my question yet: Is it alrgiht for a paded bokken fight and where do we draw the line between disrespecting kendo and practicing personal duels?

Nooooo it isn't all right, not if you want some respect from us. Didn’t you read our posts?

[pgsmith]

And no one answered my question yet: Is it alrgiht for a paded bokken fight and where do we draw the line between disrespecting kendo and practicing personal duels?
I am going to try and clarify why you're getting such a hard time here keima. You seem to be laboring under a misapprehension. You keep talking about duels, but that is not what you are doing. Sword duels were fought "back in the day", not in recent times. The Japanese sword arts are popular today because the training and techniques are carried forward from "back in the day". What you are doing is at best "backyard bokken dueling", which is simply playing around with sticks. You may be very serious about your "bokken fighting", but it's still only play. You can't have a "duel" with a kendoka or a kenjutsuka, since they don't practice the same "backyard bokken dueling" that you are doing. What they practice has no bearing at all on what you're asking them to do. They are apples and cumquats.

You will catch a lot of flak on a forum such as this one. The folks here train in very specific arts. To them, you are some kid that doesn't have the heart or determination to learn a real art. Instead, you take the easy way out and play with sticks in your backyard with your friends, and then compare your play with the sacrifices that these folks have made in order to learn a genuine art. For that, you should expect them to both laugh at you, and bite your head off.

[keima]

I am wondering, what is your goal with these duels?
How do you determine who wins or loses?

Also, what's the name of your Gung Fu school?
Who supports/sanctions it?
What style(s) do you teach?
Lastly, how old are you?

I already said to understand and discover battle tactics of different sword styles. The loser is the one who gets hit on a cripling or lethal spot if it had been a real sword.

Name of gong fu school = Yang's Martial Arts
Style: Long Fist and White Crane
Age: 20 (yes i dont use my real age on youtube)

I apologize to all of you for my ignorance. And i will continue on my kendo training until i have to leave for school again. Afterwards, i will return to karate and fencing and jujutsu.

Later.

[ScottUK]

You will catch a lot of flak on a forum such as this one. The folks here train in very specific arts. To them, you are some kid that doesn't have the heart or determination to learn a real art. Instead, you take the easy way out and play with sticks in your backyard with your friends, and then compare your play with the sacrifices that these folks have made in order to learn a genuine art. For that, you should expect them to both laugh at you, and bite your head off.You should hit nails on the head for a living, PGS.

[Mr. T.]

I already said to understand and discover battle tactics of different sword styles. The loser is the one who gets hit on a cripling or lethal spot if it had been a real sword.

Name of gong fu school = Yang's Martial Arts
Style: Long Fist and White Crane
Age: 20 (yes i dont use my real age on youtube)

I apologize to all of you for my ignorance. And i will continue on my kendo training until i have to leave for school again. Afterwards, i will return to karate and fencing and jujutsu.

Later.

You can't discover "battle tactics" by toying around with swords. You don't have the expertise, nor do any of your friends, the vid made that real obvious:silly: . Are any of your friends fencing and/or kendo and/or sword experts (I'm not going to use the word masters here). Don't think so. You need the insight of an expert to make a good comparison. That's how research works. You need to know what you're talking about if you want to do research, you and your friends have no idea what swordsmanship is about (neither do I, but I don't make weird claims about doing sword duals and battle tactics). So stop saying you want to learn about battles and just admit you like to play with plastic swords:wink: .

So how long did you study gong fu before you started teaching? You're only 20, that's very young age to open a MA studio?

Ahhh... So you're saying that you'll quit kendo as soon you’re done with school? This sucks for your sensei. He's wasting his time on you, time that could be spend on someone that genuinely loves kendo.

Make sure you're going to commit to an art and stop doing a bit of everything. You'll never be a MAist if you keep following this road or we might find you in the "baffling budo" section of e-budo in a couple of years with your new mcdojo sword school.

[keima]

So how long did you study gong fu before you started teaching?
2 years. And the teaching was basics and some of the instructors were the same rank as me.


Ahhh... So you're saying that you'll quit kendo as soon you’re done with school? This sucks for your sensei. He's wasting his time on you, time that could be spend on someone that genuinely loves kendo.
u misread, i am going to be 100 miles away from my dojo once school starts. I will come back when i can.


You're only 20, that's very young age to open a MA studio?
Who said anything about opening a studio? It was just a martial arts club.


You'll never be a MAist if you keep following this road or we might find you in the "baffling budo" section of e-budo in a couple of years with your new mcdojo sword school.
a mcdojo charges people which i never do.


Are any of your friends fencing and/or kendo and/or sword experts (I'm not going to use the word masters here).
one of them is a shodan, u've all seen me against him. but i hear black belts are beginers with solid basics. As for the fencers, they have all been fecing their whole lives so... i dont know what you want to make of that...


So stop saying you want to learn about battles and just admit you like to play with plastic swords .
Playing with plastic swords... never done that before, but isnt that where just 2 kids wave it around randomly? If u notice, we all try to hit and not get hit... soo i think that should deserve some credit...



Yes, I have seen many kumdo demos. I have seen my own, and they would probably generate the same kind of comment your roommate made. Fortunately, I am not learning kumdo to please your roommate.
How good is a style, if someone with no experience can find a way to win against it?

[Kenzan]

I already said to understand and discover battle tactics of different sword styles. The loser is the one who gets hit on a cripling or lethal spot if it had been a real sword.


I think in order to understand these concepts, one would need a fairly good understanding on human physiology and how it reacts under certain conditions.
I assume you have this knowledge?



Name of gong fu school = Yang's Martial Arts
Style: Long Fist and White Crane
Age: 20 (yes i dont use my real age on youtube)
Later.

Does Mr. Yang know you have opened a school in his name?
Or are you Mr. Yang?
If not, you stated that you opened a school of your own?
What is the name of this school and who is your governing body?
20 years old and starting a new school is quite an accomplishment!
Kudos to you! Most Impressive!

[Mr. T.]

2 years. And the teaching was basics and some of the instructors were the same rank as me.

That’s not much. Let me see if I get this straight, you got the same rank as you instructors within 2 years?


u misread, i am going to be 100 miles away from my dojo once school starts. I will come back when i can.

My mistake.


Who said anything about opening a studio? It was just a martial arts club.

Same thing. Still very young to be an instructor. Again, did you get permission to teach this stuff anyway?


a mcdojo charges people which i never do.

Mcdojo usually charges money. They always teach crap that’s suppose to be MA


one of them is a shodan, u've all seen me against him. but i hear black belts are beginers with solid basics. As for the fencers, they have all been fecing their whole lives so... i dont know what you want to make of that...

Still no expert, as you said yourself, he’s a beginner. I’m talking about experts who have trained/ studied for a very long time.


Playing with plastic swords... never done that before, but isnt that where just 2 kids wave it around randomly? If u notice, we all try to hit and not get hit... soo i think that should deserve some credit...

No you don’t. Kids playing with plastic swords will also try to prevent from getting hit while hitting his buddy. They also pretend to be swordfighters. Doesn’t make it a swordfight, just 2 kids playing with swords. The big difference between you and them is that they are probably under the age of 12.


How good is a style, if someone with no experience can find a way to win against it?

Do you really train kendo??? WTF do you think a shiai is for?

[Mr. T.]

How good is a style, if someone with no experience can find a way to win against it?

Anyone can find openings to make a kill, as long as the person you're training with moves slow enough. It takes a trained swordsman to do the same thing in battle (or shiai) at full speed. A beginner is not capable of that. You're a beginner so are your friends. When are you going to listen?

[KhawMengLee]

Keima, either get in a proper kendo dojo or get a life.

No real kendoka would 'duel' with you on the simple premise that It'd be like Woody Allen goading Muhamed Ali to punch him out. You'd get crippled and we'd face a nice little lawsuit from you or your parents.

Plus, beating you is like kicking a retarded person's arse...all we get is the "wow, big achievement Mr. Arsehole." Award.

[verissimus]

How good is a style, if someone with no experience can find a way to win against it?

a) Ask your friend to step into a dojo and see for himself. Then he can comment on whether he would win or not. Until then, anything he says is meaningless.

b) I don't learn kumdo to win streetfights. I'd find it more useful to drive down to my local shooting range and get a semester pass plus cost of bullets.

c) There are very good reason for what you saw on the demo tape (i.e. why one kendoka was allowing his/her opponent to attack), but there's no point in going over them, since you don't really care, do you.

[keima]

Does Mr. Yang know you have opened a school in his name?
i didint open up a school. I asked him if i could teach some beginners in a club and he was fine with it.

That’s not much. Let me see if I get this straight, you got the same rank as you instructors within 2 years?
Yes, but these few instructors never tested after they got this rank. Thay have much higher skill compared to me.


b) I don't learn kumdo to win streetfights. I'd find it more useful to drive down to my local shooting range and get a semester pass plus cost of bullets.
dint i say? gun > sword



No real kendoka would 'duel' with you on the simple premise that It'd be like Woody Allen goading Muhamed Ali to punch him out. You'd get crippled and we'd face a nice little lawsuit from you or your parents.

Plus, beating you is like kicking a retarded person's arse...all we get is the "wow, big achievement Mr. Arsehole." Award.
watch the videos?

[KhawMengLee]

watch the videos?

Yes, hence the words no 'real' kendoka.

[verissimus]

Gun > sword, OK.

What's your point?

[Kenzan]

i didn't open up a school. I asked him if i could teach some beginners in a club and he was fine with it.
?

My apologies, it seems you did say, "club" didn't you?
But here's what bothers me. Maybe I am misinformed here, but in so far as it has been my experience with any legitimate dojo including Kendo, there has always been a liability waiver needed by the student before joining a Dojo.
I'm no lawyer, but I assume you received Mr..Yang's approval in writing with proper notarization before you started your intention to form a Martial arts club?
I assume also you are fully insured and/or bonded?
If not, if any student becomes injured, unless I am totally wrong, I think you could be liable, the place where you practice could be liable, and Mr..Yang and his assets could even be liable.

?

[Kenzan]

Yes, hence the words no 'real' kendoka.

You are right.
I am only a Mudansha, and I know less than squat-all about Kendo.
But it's obvious that even I could have clocked the both of them properly.

[keima]

I assume also you are fully insured and/or bonded?
If not, if any student becomes injured, unless I am totally wrong, I think you could be liable, the place where you practice could be liable, and Mr..Yang and his assets could even be liable.
the problem would be the schools'. We are suposed to hav a faculty advisor and we did (6 dan TKD). We had to sign so many agreements too.


I am only a Mudansha, and I know less than squat-all about Kendo.
But it's obvious that even I could have clocked the both of them properly.
arrogance? I already apologized for my actions. Dont say u can do something unless u already did it.


Somthing that happened in the dojo:
you know when someone goes for ur men, u go for their DO because their guard is raised up? And when you do ur suposed to avoid their arms cuz its not a target? Basically my sensei said that we do so because kendo its not for sword dueling. I GET IT.
And PS. I love my sensei, obviously not all of us can afford kendo but he lent so many of his students bogu. I dont have one cuz he ran out. Doing something disrespectful to him would be the last thing i want to do. So therefore, good day, i wont associate these activities with kendo again.

[Kenzan]

arrogance? I already apologized for my actions. Dont say u can do something unless u already did it.


Heheheheee..Sorry! You're right, that was too shameless on my part!..heheheheh LOL..C'mon! Have a sense of humor! :P

... But you have to admit the video looks like some pretty wild backyard samurai stylins' doesn't it? be honest!
I kept thinking on the first video, when you hit the Shodan in the Do, your swing was so wide, you left yourself totally open for Tsuki, Men at the least, and I saw a Kote in there too. (such as a mack truck can drive into) It's the sort of opening that people who practice Kendo dream about, I'm sure!

Lighten up!
Oh, just my 2 cents..it's probably better for your overall reputation as a Martial artist if you didn't jump onto Kendo forums, start dropping challenges, and telling people what to do.

Arrogance?
You might want to consider who's house you are in.
Just a thought.

[keima]

if you didn't jump onto Kendo forums, start dropping challenges, and telling people what to do.


I never told people what to do, i just get rediculed so i point out their faults. I was invited by yohed to come here to talk. and he said that maybe I could find some new opoents here too. in fact this account was created by him ^_^

[Munnin]

I don’t see the big deal here folks. When I was his age I did similar things, and had great fun doing it. I had a dismissive attitude towards Kendo back then as well (how silly that there is no thrusting, ect) but then as far as I knew there was no dojo in the area, and I may have been too immature to be humble before the opportunity to learn anyway.

While he clearly is not ready to take kendo seriously he does not see a bad sort.

[Kenzan]

I never told people what to do

So......you didn't write:


~please dont say something without giving a reason.


Dont say u can do something unless u already did it.

[nitpick]Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that telling people what to do?

[KhawMengLee]

I never told people what to do, i just get rediculed so i point out their faults. I was invited by yohed to come here to talk. and he said that maybe I could find some new opoents here too. in fact this account was created by him ^_^

I got a better idea, why don't you head down to Harlem in a Klan outfit and your bokuto...I'm sure you'll find lots of dueling buddies.

[Kenzan]

I don’t see the big deal here folks. When I was his age I did similar things, and had great fun doing it. I had a dismissive attitude towards Kendo back then as well (how silly that there is no thrusting, ect) but then as far as I knew there was no dojo in the area, and I may have been too immature to be humble before the opportunity to learn anyway.

While he clearly is not ready to take kendo seriously he does not see a bad sort.

Maybe you are right. If it makes him happy..... meh...whaddayagonnado?
I just hope for that no one ever gets hurt.
Besides..I don't know enough about Kendo to mount a proper argument against it anyway.
Live and let live I guess.

[ScottUK]

Keima,

What is that you are doing? Play-fighting? Fencing? Kenjutsu? Duelling? What do you call it? Do you have set rules? Are you fighters, players or combatants?

[rottunpunk]

Doing something disrespectful to him would be the last thing i want to do. So therefore, good day, i wont associate these activities with kendo again.
finally the penny drops..well kind of.
is there not a kendo dojo at the college you go to?
the kung fu thing still sounds a little suspect for me im afraid.
i did judo for over ten years, even got a coaching award at the age of 15 (it was revoked when it was discovered i was too young-pahh) but still thought myself not knowledgable enough to start my own club at uni (an s.u club, as an addition to the local club for local people). best leave it to balding people is my motto :D
:p

[Makigai]

I was invited by yohed to come here to talk. and he said that maybe I could find some new opoents here too. in fact this account was created by him ^_^

Now you should go away.

[keima]

finally the penny drops..well kind of.
is there not a kendo dojo at the college you go to?
the kung fu thing still sounds a little suspect for me im afraid.
i did judo for over ten years, even got a coaching award at the age of 15 (it was revoked when it was discovered i was too young-pahh) but still thought myself not knowledgable enough to start my own club at uni (an s.u club, as an addition to the local club for local people). best leave it to balding people is my motto They tried to start a kendo club but there are always issues, no kendo at college im afraid. Ok, again im going say this, i never claimed to be an expert or advanced at gong fu, my sifu allowed me to teach beginners ... OK?


What is that you are doing? Play-fighting? Fencing? Kenjutsu? Duelling? What do you call it? Do you have set rules? Are you fighters, players or combatants? Yes, i said this before, who ever gets hit in a vital or cripling spot loses.

[keima]

Now you should go away.
good bye then

[ScottUK]

Yes, i said this before, who ever gets hit in a vital or cripling spot loses.OK, but you didn't answer my question. Is it just a game? Or is it something more?

[Alison2805]

Dont ask more questions Scott!! God forbid the little ego on legs comes back.

[keima]

OK, but you didn't answer my question. Is it just a game? Or is it something more?
hmm.. how should I put this, it is just hypothetical situations where martial artists with sword experience come together and have bouts with eachother, be it fencers, kendokas, gong fu swords, etc. Is it just a game, you could say that. Is it something more because martial artists are participating? i dont know. It is all up to how each person see it. Again if u watched my videos (not the ones that i posted with the shodan) you can see the different variety of weapon styles like mace, long sword, foil, saber, etc.


Dont ask more questions Scott!! God forbid the little ego on legs comes back.Gee... so uptight, perhaps it is you who is egotistical?

[ScottUK]

hopefully my last post, i know i am unwanted hereKeima, you (like many) have suffered at the hands of the KWF assassins. They get very pissed when poeple post on YouTube to boost their ego, claiming to do something they have no knowledge about. Its a bit of a kick in the balls to practice for years at a JSA only to see some little swine make up claims about the same art with obviously no experience. Check out post #79 on this thread by PGSmith.

We'd be happy if you went away and carried on playing mock duels but without any references to actual martial arts. However, we'd be even happier for you if you got genuine instruction and stopped posting videos and traeting it like a joke.

Bujutsu roughly translates as 'martial arts' and the western word martial comes from Mars, the god of war. War is about defeating your opponent(s), usually with a fatal outcome. Sword arts weren't developed to see if you could score a point from someone by showing you were better with the weapon. The sword was there to end lives. Please treat it with a little more respect.

[Ignatz]

Your duel looks like a couple of pre-teen girls playing tag.

[shred_lord]

I for one am waiting the first
wow, so much anger/hostility, I think/guess/smell/divine you must be a poor swordsman if you have so little control/calm/spirit like deep reflective pooltype of post.

[FrayArray]

"Is it alrgiht for a paded bokken fight"


padded not= safe

padded = less lethal


I realize that proper bogu is expensive, but to free spar without anything more than gloves and street clothes is careless. At a minimum try to manufacture some "ghetto" armor out of old magazines and some foam. Maybe even wear a bicycle helmet.


Maybe consider using a shinai...they were created after all to provide for "safer" sparring conditions.




oh, and I'm new to the forums so...HI TO EVYBODY

[rottunpunk]

heyhey frayarray.
i concure, even thgough its padded, they still hurt in the wrong hands.
theres a few roshukai guys that do free practice stuff with shinai that are splintered at the end then encased in leather and they still sting, and this is still controlled pair work (a bit like iaijutsu-ish)
:p

[xvikingx]

Apperently these idiots are not just satisfied with hitting each other with bokken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOCq_JY8rG0&mode=related&search=
And you know it's one of those TV shopping "full tang" swords.

[rottunpunk]

ooh dear. he really doesnt learn. have you read his comments below? he keeps pushing his videos, which i thought he was ashamed of. he really thinks that shodan duel is good-bless.
:p

[xvikingx]

have you read his comments below? he keeps pushing his videos,......... he really thinks that shodan duel is good-bless.

Yeah, I really a kick out of this kid. I was enjoying this thread in lurk mode, until I stumbled on his tameshigiri and thought I should share. I think the camera man is going to be the first one to get it.
The shoudan thing still boggles me. He genuinely feels that he has achieved something. Good Lord, I would be so ashamed if any of my dojo mates saw me doing anything like that.

[Ignatz]

The little pose at the end goes along with my post on his duel. Very cute.

[Newbie]

Oh no! That's so.. sad. Perhaps we should post our gikeiko bruises we get from wearing full armour designed to protect us from the worst and using shinai, designed not to be lethal in full contact sparring. Afterall, they were both developed to stop students becoming maimed and killed when using bokken to learn swordsmanship. I gotta beauty from a kote but it's faded a bit too much now.

[verissimus]

Is it just me, or is anyone else actually more annoyed with the shodan than with our hero?

[rottunpunk]

im still dubious as to whether anyone that bad can actually be shodan
:p

[Mr. T.]

It gets worse:backyard ninja school (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnDWr8Lxysg) and this must be the second class (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxlyQDklLhg) :(

They're teaching this crap to others!!!

[Kenzan]

..And you know the poor white dude who got suckered into it is all like:
"These guys MUST know something, they're Asian!"
LOL

[Mr. T.]

And these losers practice kendo (so they say). They better pray that their sensei won't find out, he would probably give them a serious @$$ whooping (that's what I would do :D) because they where going behind his back with the BS.

[Kenzan]

Now now, we shouldn't be disrespectful!
I think we should address his grand wizardly sword-kami of awesomeness Keima as "Keima-Sensei" from now on.
(Uff!)


The word of the day is "ensorcel".
As in:
Keima-Sensei ensorcels the neighborhood children with his profoundly effective mastery of sword skills.

[keima]

Yes yes, i dream of oneday owning a McDojo teaching bullshido to white kids who dont know any better.

First video, the kid in yellow is practicing saber fencing disengages against the white kid. Dont know what the white kid is doing but i think he knows kenjutsu katas. w/e

Second video, showed him some parries and just throwing him random attacks to make him use em. (that was how we trained in kung fu)

The reason y i was teaching them was that they kept on getting owned in that "game" of ours.

Yea.. my sensei is gona kill me...


But just curious though, what do you guys think of Bruce Lee? He studied Wing Chun for 2 years then just cross trained and learned a bit of everyother styles.

[ScottUK]

...and that's all it is - a game. Stop telling yourselves you are duelling.

[Kenzan]

Yes yes, i dream of oneday owning a McDojo teaching bullshido to white kids who dont know any better.


Since we have yet to see any real arts here, I must assume that your statement is correct.
Thank you for your honesty, Keima-Sensei.



First video, the kid in yellow is practicing saber fencing disengages against the white kid. Dont know what the white kid is doing but i think he knows kenjutsu katas.


If that's what Sensei-Keima calls it, who are we to disagree?
But question: Would you really know Kenjutsu katas if you saw them?
From my view, since I have no clue about Kenjutsu, I certainly wouldn't.




The reason y i was teaching them was that they kept on getting owned in that "game" of ours.


Of course! That's what every good Sensei is supposed to do!
Who could blame you? You were only doing your duty, ne!
But the real question is, what were you teaching them?



But just curious though, what do you guys think of Bruce Lee? .

I think he's passed away.
Just like Musashi, before Bruce Lee, there's no Bruce Lee.
After Bruce Lee, there's no Bruce Lee.

I hope you are learning something from this forum.
I know I do. :)

[Mr. T.]

Yes yes, i dream of oneday owning a McDojo teaching bullshido to white kids who dont know any better.


Now we’re getting somewhere.:silly:


First video, the kid in yellow is practicing saber fencing disengages against the white kid. Dont know what the white kid is doing but i think he knows kenjutsu katas. w/e


Does kenjutsu look like that? That’s a first.:DAre you sure your friend knows kenjutsu (is he the shodan)?


Second video, showed him some parries and just throwing him random attacks to make him use em. (that was how we trained in kung fu)


Uhhhh.. okay:ermm:


The reason y i was teaching them was that they kept on getting owned in that "game" of ours.


Did you get permission to teach: NO. Don’t teach, you have no clue about the basics of swordsmanship or kendo for that matter. One plus point, you finally atmit you’re just playing around.:happy:


Yea.. my sensei is gona kill me...


If he is, why do it? Do you respect your sensei and/or kendo? By the looks of it: no. I feel sorry for the man/woman. The sensei is wasting his time by teaching you. If you show no respect to your sensei, why go to the dojo to get instructions?


But just curious though, what do you guys think of Bruce Lee? He studied Wing Chun for 2 years then just cross trained and learned a bit of everyother styles.

I think he’s been dead for several years. On a more serious note, dunno, I’ve never seen Jeet Kun Do, but I have my doubts. But, as far as I know he may have trained a lot of different styles, but legit instructors trained him. You are still instructing yourself in your backyard, see the difference here?

[keima]

Of course! That's what every good Sensei is supposed to do!
Who could blame you? You were only doing your duty, ne!
But the real question is, what were you teaching them?
well.. atleast what ever I taught him about saber fencing wasnt all crap i mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYWgA-QitpA&search=fencing%20saber%20foil%20vs

and that girl has won fencing tournaments too.



If that's what Sensei-Keima calls it, who are we to disagree?
LMAO


The reason why i asked about Bruce Lee was its that you guys seem to hate the idea that I do different martial arts without mastering one of them first. But Bruce Lee did the exact same thing.





I hope you are learning something from this forum.
I know I do.
yea, never take forums and online videos seriously. lol

[Mr. T.]

well.. atleast what ever I taught him about saber fencing wasnt all crap i mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYWgA-QitpA&search=fencing%20saber%20foil%20vs

ehhh... maybe you haven't read the posts beneath your vids, but they basically say you suck, big time. Are you an experienced fencer, no. So how can you teach if you don't know the basics (I'm starting to sound like a broken record here, geezzz). Ohhh, by the way we're kendoka (okay, I'm an iaidoka), we've got no clue what you're doing.:D


and that girl has won fencing tournaments too.

Doesn't mean anything, there are loads of beginners tournaments. It just means you're better that the rest, doesn't mean you're good.


The reason why i asked about Bruce Lee was its that you guys seem to hate the idea that I do different martial arts without mastering one of them first. But Bruce Lee did the exact same thing.

It's not only that. Here we go:
1. You show no respect to the arts, you make funny games of them and think they are the real deal.
2. You show no respect to your teachers. For the same reason as above and you instruct without permission.
3. BL knew what he was doing, you obvious do not and if you keep going like this, you never will.
4. He had talent, you... sorry, but I doubt it.

Okay, who's next for some nice comments?


yea, never take forums and online videos seriously. lol

Specifically if they are made by n00bs

[Kenzan]

The reason why i asked about Bruce Lee was its that you guys seem to hate the idea that I do different martial arts without mastering one of them first. But Bruce Lee did the exact same thing.


Isn't it true that you envoked his name to liken youself to him in the sense that you may feel that discovery is in the doing, and therefore you can train yourself and be your own master?
In my experience, many, many people have had and still do make this grave error in thinking.

A zen priest once asked a student:
"Can you brush your hair and teeth at the same time and with the same complete mindfulness, and with with the same result? as if they were performed by themselves?"

I know many people here study multiple arts, but you seem to be all over the M/A map.
My advise?
Pick one.
Follow it and explore where the path takes you.
Though it may not be your intention, your videos may appear to many to be self indulgent and vain.

Meditate on this, Grasshopper:

Taken from the classic, "The Sword and the mind"
Translated by Hiroaki Sato With comments by Kenzan, who admittedly knows just enough about Kendo and swordamanship that, if strung end to end, would just be enough to encircle a cow-flop.

In swordsmanship, always train and discipline yourself,
but do not show it-hide it, be modest about it.

(You are not doing this)

If your mind reaches the ultimate of swordsmanship,
the sword and other implements will have no place

(Including silly backyard videos on Youtube.)

In swordsmanship,never let yourself go, be attentive,
and don't say too many words that prick up somebody's ear

(Like..Anybody wanna duel?)

If ultimately able to do with no sword,
a swordsman has no use for the sword on his hip

(Or on his shoulder a chip)

The ultimate of swordsmanship's lies in the 5 virtues-
keep this always in the depths of your mind

(Not, I will be the badass of 50 millions different styles)

Swordsmanship is for yourself in impossible situations-
keep this in mind and train hard.

(Find a Good Dojo first, and stick with it)

If you become a teacher of swordsmanship,
first teach your student the laws and look into his mind

(and keep the made up stuff out)

If your aren't modest but show off your swordsmanship,
You'll be hated by people and embarrassed.

(Just like in this forum!)

When you count all the benefits of your swordsmanship,
there are so many, encompassing the virtues of heaven and earth

(Maturity is one of them)

Among those who control the world and protect the state,
there's no one who doesn't employ swordsmanship in his mind.

(Self explanatory I think.)

-Yagyu Muneyoshi

[Ignatz]

well.. atleast what ever I taught him about saber fencing wasnt all crap i mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYWgA-QitpA&search=fencing%20saber%20foil%20vs

and that girl has won fencing tournaments too.
The girl looks like she has had some training. The guy looks like a little girl playing tag.

[rottunpunk]

well.. atleast what ever I taught him about saber fencing wasnt all crap i mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYWgA-QitpA&search=fencing%20saber%20foil%20vs

and that girl has won fencing tournaments too.
again showingt us an embarrassing video to try and prove a point-bwess





The reason why i asked about Bruce Lee was its that you guys seem to hate the idea that I do different martial arts without mastering one of them first. But Bruce Lee did the exact same thing.

bruce lee was first and foremost a performer, he just put something he enjoyed into his films.
also, he was gifted. and he spent hours practicing kung fu and ages developing jeet kun do, which for all i know was the first mcdojo anyways.
i see him as an actor before a martial artist, though he is very fast and naturally talented

re. taking forums seriously, its for your own benefit if you listen to us. we may sound condescending and clicky. but if you listened and just got on with training until you are at a level to teach (if indeed you are a born teacher) then you wont get so much stick.
throughout this thread, and the comments under your vids (from non kwf members) the same things are being said. just read and dijest. please?
:p

[keima]

Does kenjutsu look like that? That’s a first.Are you sure your friend knows kenjutsu (is he the shodan)?
highly doubt it, i actually dont know much about his training.


ehhh... maybe you haven't read the posts beneath your vids, but they basically say you suck, big time. Are you an experienced fencer, no. So how can you teach if you don't know the basics (I'm starting to sound like a broken record here, geezzz). Ohhh, by the way we're kendoka (okay, I'm an iaidoka), we've got no clue what you're doing.

Actually, there were disagreements on the comments involving classical and sport fencing ... well, go read for yourself. And I did fencing for a year and still continuing so your comment is incorrect.

Kenzan...

In swordsmanship, always train and discipline yourself,
but do not show it-hide it, be modest about it.
Thanks for this. The reason y i posted was to basically ask for advice, especially the noob tameshigiri video. I did get some good ones like parry first before striking, or use envelopments, or dont fear death, or use my hips more, etc. And yours too. People who were being rude and condescending, i understand where you are comming from. And all those videos that you found were posted before I came here, and once again I apologize. Now let us please move on with this so i can stop posting on this forum.



re. taking forums seriously, its for your own benefit if you listen to us. we may sound condescending and clicky. but if you listened and just got on with training until you are at a level to teach (if indeed you are a born teacher) then you wont get so much stick.
throughout this thread, and the comments under your vids (from non kwf members) the same things are being said. just read and dijest. please?
again whatever i taught people was for the sole purpose of that game we were playing. And I do listen to people who arent rude and actually give advice like Kenzan,

[ScottUK]

Kiema, where are you going from here? More backyard training? More duels? Or are you going to dedicate yourself to real keiko?

[keima]

For now, kendo for the summer and fencing while at school. (already explained the whole location situation)

[Kenzan]

Thanks for this. The reason y i posted was to basically ask for advice, especially the noob tameshigiri video. I did get some good ones like parry first before striking, or use envelopments, or don't fear death, or use my hips more, etc.


The first thing that comes to my mind is:
I need to heed my own advice.
The second thing that comes to mind is:
Asking for advice on a Kendo forum on how to do Kendo is pointless and as well as fruitless. The best thing you can do is simply ask where the closest Kendo Dojo is. Others will explain to you, and have explained to you, that try as one may, you cannot learn an art, especially Japanese sword arts, from a book, video, or especially the internet. There is only one way.
In a Kendo Dojo, from a fully qualified Sensei. As for rude and condescending, if you had any idea what these people go through sorting through the wanna-be-samurai/ninjas not only on this forum, but in their own Dojos, you would gain a whole new meaning for the words, patient, compassionate, and selfless.
But you say you get it, so I'll let it go at that.


And all those videos that you found were posted before I came here, and once again I apologize.


You've done me no wrong, so no apology is necessary, however, I think you probably should apologize to the other participants on those videos you made.
Do they realize that you've placed them in a position to be goofed on by pretty much the entire legitimate sword arts community?
I don't think that's what they bargained for.
But that's just me.

Basically, here's what people liken your videos to:

http://www.shinai.org



Now let us please move on with this so i can stop posting on this forum.


Remember, no one is forcing you to post here.

[Andou]

UGH. I honestly wanted to stay away from this one, but I must say the "don't fear death" in Tameshigiri...wow...that one made me chuckle. :D

[Kenzan]

Couldn't help this:
(from Shinai.org, with my own comments added to make it more accurate)

Every Wednesday since 1989, and Friday since 2001, a group of people who have come to be known as "those Shinai people" have been getting together to practice sword fighting with Shinai (and smoke copious amounts of weed and discuss ren-faire, family-guy D & D and anime, ). On any given week the number of Shinai fighters can range from 2 to 60.(depending on the availability of weed) An equal number form to watch and have fun on the sidelines.(and hit the peach schnapps bong) It can't hurt to come and see what it is like.(and the weed aint bad either!)

Because we are a non-official group, we often practice in parking lots that we get permission to use. (Though many member are arrested for possession) We started in a Denny's lot in the spring of 1989, (Great place to go when you have the munchies) and have moved to several parking lots and open spaces in the area. (mostly near the places where we can score weed) We have spawned several other groups in the areas surrounding Orange County, and inspired groups to form across the US. (Wherever loosers, low-lifes, socital castoffs, and general ren-faire weed schmokers congregate)

[ScottUK]

For now, kendo for the summer and fencing while at school. (already explained the whole location situation)...and the silly videos?

Just out of interest, do you do any modifications to the shinai before you use them or are they 'straight out of the box'...?

[Krad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxlyQDklLhg
pause it around eight second and look at the kid closest to the camera. man what a kamae! hahhaha

[keima]

Basically, here's what people liken your videos to:

http://www.shinai.org

yikes...



...and the silly videos?
i have a video of my 2 senseis doing keiko for 11 minutes straight. WOuld u like to see that?



Just out of interest, do you do any modifications to the shinai before you use them or are they 'straight out of the box'...?
i know there are things I have to do to treat em but i didnt.


UGH. I honestly wanted to stay away from this one, but I must say the "don't fear death" in Tameshigiri...wow...that one made me chuckle.
that advice was for the sparring, cuz we were all afraid of getting hit lol.

[Kenzan]

yikes...
i have a video of my 2 senseis doing keiko for 11 minutes straight. WOuld u like to see that?


Sure! roll 'em out!
But think first....is this something they will get goofed on?



i know there are things I have to do to treat em but i didnt.


You are asking for serious injury.
Many a Kendoka has been blinded forever from a neglected Shinai, even with a Men on. Many Kendoka wear a plastic visor behind the Men for just this kind of protection.
I am not joking, it's a serious issue. The bamboo can break very easy, especially if it's not treated properly. My Dojo-mate took his apart last week, and there was a huge crack near the tip inside. If it had fractured, it's scarry to think what couyld have happened.
You need to learn how to care for it. I just spent two hours on mine last week, and taking it apart for the first time and putting it back together it's a pain, and takes a lot of detail work, but it was worth it. I learned a valuable leasson with that.
Did you at least remove the yellow strings?




that advice was for the sparring, cuz we were all afraid of getting hit lol.

That's what Bogu is for.

[Rookie M]

I want to go and play!!!!!!!! Those guys can grow some serious beards.
A night with those Shinai folks would be like balloon fights but with blood. Just think a squad of 10 kendoka and we could go and steal their goth girls.
Besides we would get to wear our combat gear and bogu, tsuki some folks into hospital and then steal their goth girls.
Oh did i mention stealing goth girls.

Fookin NINJA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ScottUK]

Oh, the thought of the shinai folk in a shiai with kendoka.

Rookie, you have taken another step up the ladder to sainthood.

[xvikingx]

Oh my, so much has happened since my little discovery. My intent was not to fuel the flames, but I must say this is very funny.

[keima]

Sure! roll 'em out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qngyt524uB8

Part 2 is comming out.




I want to go and play!!!!!!!! Those guys can grow some serious beards.
A night with those Shinai folks would be like balloon fights but with blood. Just think a squad of 10 kendoka and we could go and steal their goth girls.
Besides we would get to wear our combat gear and bogu, tsuki some folks into hospital and then steal their goth girls.
Oh did i mention stealing goth girls.

Fookin NINJA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yea, atleast there are girls participating. How many girls are in your dojo hmm?

[ScottUK]

How many girls are in your dojo? Oh, hang on, you practice in your backyard.

[Ignatz]

Does Harrison Sensei know what a bozo you are?

[ScottUK]

He does now. I sent him this yesterday:

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Dear Sensei Harrison,

One of your students is, I believe, misrepresenting your art and is making a mockery of whoever is teaching him. He goes by the name of Kiema on the forums, and his name is Alex and has just started work as a hospital intern, if that helps narrow it down. He can be emailed at ShadowAvatar@gmail.com

He is posting videos of himself fighting duels with another kendoka named ‘Danilo V’ on YouTube. Here is a link to them all:

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Kiema43

In addition to that, he is using Kendo-World to find other duellists:

”And i encourage all of you who live in the East Coast of USA to have a duel with me”

“we all trained with real swords (katas of various forms) so its not like we dont know what we are doing...”

“who ever gets hit in a vital or cripling spot loses.”

All of the above can be found here - http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10856

I am very concerned about his tameshigiri practice on SOLID TIMBER in his back yard. Is tameshigiri part of BKK’s curriculum?

I’m sure you can recognise him from some of the videos. If not, speak to ‘Danilo V’. I hope you can stop this nonsense and get the videos removed from YouTube before he hurts someone or someone copies him and drags Boston Kendo into court for allowing this to happen.

Kind regards,

S. Halls

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[justin615]

http://www.shinai.org



Wow!!! Is this for real????
I'm quiting kendo and joining Shinai.org (hehehe :b) :tongue: :tongue:

[keima]

Dear Sensei Harrison,

lol, yea, i stoped all those activities already.

[ScottUK]

What do you mean stopped? Stopped playing silly buggers with weapons?

[Kenzan]

tsuki some folks into hospital and then steal their goth girls.
Oh did i mention stealing goth girls.


Um..yeah..you go ahead and do that....M'kay?
:D

http://shinai.org/housemef/PhotoSection/Fighters/Rosetta.JPG

Mmmmmmm.......Sexeh! :D

[Mr. T.]

I was going to write a very long post to our good friend the backyard samurai, Keima. But after reading Scotts post, never mind.

You ruined it for me Scott, thanks:cry: . Now I have to find a new troll to pick on.:D

[Rookie M]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qngyt524uB8

Part 2 is comming out.

yea, atleast there are girls participating. How many girls are in your dojo hmm?

There are many young ladies who practice at the same dojos as myself and there are a few people on here who can vouch for their collective foxiness and talents in kendo.

Which one are you in the video, the yondan? the godan? or one of the little heads that pops up through out?

Get your ladies into the dojo and run them for a while you will find their collective mass decrease and their collective stamina increase. Always a good thing.

[Awooga Guy]

Rookie speaks the truth, we've got a lot of female kendoka and some of them have kiai that can shatter glass :eek:





That is all.

[Awooga Guy]

He does now. I sent him this yesterday:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Dear Sensei Harrison,

One of your students is, I believe, misrepresenting your art and is making a mockery of whoever is teaching him. He goes by the name of Kiema on the forums, and his name is Alex and has just started work as a hospital intern, if that helps narrow it down. He can be emailed at ShadowAvatar@gmail.com

He is posting videos of himself fighting duels with another kendoka named ‘Danilo V’ on YouTube. Here is a link to them all:

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Kiema43

In addition to that, he is using Kendo-World to find other duellists:

”And i encourage all of you who live in the East Coast of USA to have a duel with me”

“we all trained with real swords (katas of various forms) so its not like we dont know what we are doing...”

“who ever gets hit in a vital or cripling spot loses.”

All of the above can be found here - http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10856

I am very concerned about his tameshigiri practice on SOLID TIMBER in his back yard. Is tameshigiri part of BKK’s curriculum?

I’m sure you can recognise him from some of the videos. If not, speak to ‘Danilo V’. I hope you can stop this nonsense and get the videos removed from YouTube before he hurts someone or someone copies him and drags Boston Kendo into court for allowing this to happen.

Kind regards,

S. Halls

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PWNED!! Totally ownz0red!

What you got to say to that Ninjer?






That is all.

[Ignatz]

yea, atleast there are girls participating. How many girls are in your dojo hmm?
If memory serves, there is a godan woman at your dojo who I know would kick your silly ass up and down the street.
When you can do 3 minutes with her even up then you can teach.

Of course that would require a committment on your part for many years, something that you have shown is not within your ability.

[tattooedasshole]

He does now. I sent him this yesterday:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Dear Sensei Harrison,

One of your students is, I believe, misrepresenting your art and is making a mockery of whoever is teaching him. He goes by the name of Kiema on the forums, and his name is Alex and has just started work as a hospital intern, if that helps narrow it down. He can be emailed at ShadowAvatar@gmail.com

He is posting videos of himself fighting duels with another kendoka named ‘Danilo V’ on YouTube. Here is a link to them all:

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Kiema43

In addition to that, he is using Kendo-World to find other duellists:

”And i encourage all of you who live in the East Coast of USA to have a duel with me”

“we all trained with real swords (katas of various forms) so its not like we dont know what we are doing...”

“who ever gets hit in a vital or cripling spot loses.”

All of the above can be found here - http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10856

I am very concerned about his tameshigiri practice on SOLID TIMBER in his back yard. Is tameshigiri part of BKK’s curriculum?

I’m sure you can recognise him from some of the videos. If not, speak to ‘Danilo V’. I hope you can stop this nonsense and get the videos removed from YouTube before he hurts someone or someone copies him and drags Boston Kendo into court for allowing this to happen.

Kind regards,

S. Halls

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This is priceless!!!
Scott, you rule!!!!

[keima]

If memory serves, there is a godan woman at your dojo who I know would kick your silly ass up and down the street.
When you can do 3 minutes with her even up then you can teach.

Of course that would require a committment on your part for many years, something that you have shown is not within your ability.
yea.. Yoshida sensei rules she owns everyone. She's one of the 2 females that I've seen in my dojo though. In all seriousness, i hope to someday own bogu so she can kick my arse.

[Ignatz]

. . . i hope to someday own bogu so she can kick my arse.
Never gonna happen bozo, that would require commitment. Kendo is not like stealing software or music on the internet, you actually have to do it.

[Krad]

I want to go and play!!!!!!!! Those guys can grow some serious beards.
A night with those Shinai folks would be like balloon fights but with blood. Just think a squad of 10 kendoka and we could go and steal their goth girls.
Besides we would get to wear our combat gear and bogu, tsuki some folks into hospital and then steal their goth girls.
Oh did i mention stealing goth girls.

Fookin NINJA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Count me in for the squad! :cool:

[ScottUK]

Never gonna happen bozo, that would require commitment. Kendo is not like stealing software or music on the internet, you actually have to do it.I guess you've seen this muppet's blog too then?

Muppet Blog (http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:CxjhZYYbcfcJ:www.xanga.com/ShadowXAvatar+ShadowxAvatar&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1)

Thieving little turd... I have paid close to £1600 this year for software.

[Ignatz]

Colleges and employers now will do internet searches for prospective students/employees and generally take a dim view of blogs about stealing software from "filthy rich CEOs" and students that do extra curricular activities just to fool those stupid admissions people.

Think they won't find it? Think again bozo.

[Lone Kitten]

yea.. Yoshida sensei rules she owns everyone. She's one of the 2 females that I've seen in my dojo though. In all seriousness, i hope to someday own bogu so she can kick my arse.

tell you what love... i'll kick your arse for free! (joking - wouldn't stoop that low!)

jeez, i was tryng to stay out of this one. Just shows i'm not one for the sidelines!

LOTS of women do kendo, and we kick booty! Even against the fellas... Example... my friend Makiko has just come over to the UK for my wedding. Very small, slight Japanese lady. By day she's a school nurse, after that she's a demon with a shinai!

Shame i couldn't persuade her to bring her bogu over!

[Paikea]

Colleges and employers now will do internet searches for prospective students/employees and generally take a dim view of blogs about stealing software from "filthy rich CEOs" and students that do extra curricular activities just to fool those stupid admissions people.

Think they won't find it? Think again bozo....everytime I get a resume. If you'll steal from them, you'll steal from me - and you'll never know why you didn't get the job.

[ScottUK]

Well, this thread has gone from tomfoolery to lunacy to thievery. Rock on.

[Paikea]

Well, this thread has gone from tomfoolery to lunacy to thievery. Rock on.It's all connected...all things impinge.

[crabbi]

Hmmm... skimmed through this thread in the hope of finding something worth bitching about but too content free...

The only intriguing thing about Keima's contribution is that he still shows zero posts... is KWF starting to rate people's contribution to the forum now...?

{patiently awaits first smartass c**t to point out that posts to Flames aren't counted(will it be Scott or Paikea?...Place your bets......2....3....4}

[Kenzan]

Please forgive my ignornace, but...
What's a Muppet?
Beyond the Jim Henson thing...I mean..
or is that the point?

[ScottUK]

That is very much the point.

And Crabbi, I was almost gonna point out the Flames thing until I noticed your edit. Then I was gonna point out there are only four letters in c**t but you edited that too. Kudos... :D

[crabbi]

Please forgive my ignornace, but...
What's a Muppet?
Beyond the Jim Henson thing...I mean..
or is that the point?
A muppet is the sort of person that would douse his Men in lighter fuel and then stand too close to the barbecue... a muppet is a Darwin Award Winner in waiting...
{please notice your own Avatar and get the link ... you Muppet...!}

[crabbi]

That is very much the point.

And Crabbi, I was almost gonna point out the Flames thing until I noticed your edit. Then I was gonna point out there are only four letters in c**t but you edited that too. Kudos... :D

That's the secret of great comedy.....

[crabbi]

That's the secret of great comedy.....

...timing...

[keima]

tell you what love... i'll kick your arse for free! (joking - wouldn't stoop that low!)

jeez, i was tryng to stay out of this one. Just shows i'm not one for the sidelines!

LOTS of women do kendo, and we kick booty! Even against the fellas... Example... my friend Makiko has just come over to the UK for my wedding. Very small, slight Japanese lady. By day she's a school nurse, after that she's a demon with a shinai!

Shame i couldn't persuade her to bring her bogu over!
Please kick my ass, losing is the only way i learn. Yoshida Sensei is a little japanese lady by apearance, armed with Shinai, she is like a God.

[Mr. T.]

she is like a God.

Then treat her like one, stop fooling around and grow up. You're an insult to her teachings.

[Mr. T.]

I wasn't going to post this, but you don't seem to be willing to learn. I'll try to make this my last large post in this thread. Here we go (again):



Actually, there were disagreements on the comments involving classical and sport fencing ... well, go read for yourself. And I did fencing for a year and still continuing so your comment is incorrect.

Okay, my mistake. Several comments said you sucked. I’m curious though those ARMA buddies of yours, are they self though backyard swordsman to or do they have a qualified instructor (I believe you fencers call him or her a maestro?)? Wow, you had one year of fencing. If you approach your “western” fencing the same way you approach your kendo, I’m not sure if you are qualified to judge someone’s fencings ability, especially if they are the ones that taught you this BS. Just a thought.


Thanks for this. The reason y i posted was to basically ask for advice, especially the noob tameshigiri video.

Ahhh… come on, you just like attention, and you don’t seem to care if it’s good or bad, as long as you get it. That’s just sad, very sad.


I did get some good ones like parry first before striking, or use envelopments, or dont fear death, or use my hips more, etc. And yours too. And all those videos that you found were posted before I came here, and once again I apologize. Now let us please move on with this so i can stop posting on this forum.

Hahahahahaha… you’ve got to be joking. Don’t you have any self-knowledge? How can you say you did something good on any of the videos? Haven’t your read any of the post on this thread? They all say you suck.


People who were being rude and condescending, i understand where you are comming from.

I don’t think so…


again whatever i taught people was for the sole purpose of that game we were playing. And I do listen to people who arent rude and actually give advice like Kenzan,

Finally, you said it; you’re just playing games. It took a few days, but now we’re getting somewhere.

[Paikea]

{patiently awaits first smartass c**t to point out that posts to Flames aren't counted(will it be Scott or Paikea?...Place your bets......2....3....4}Hey, I can read....sort of.

[pgsmith]

Please kick my ass, ...
I would say that Scott already did that, except I would be willing to bet that he no longer actually trains at a kendo dojo. I would guess that he used to train at that dojo, found out it was difficult, then quit to play backyard ninja.

[keima]

First of all, i am going to point out that about 80% of the people who commented on my videos say that they sucked. 20% of those messaged me and gave me advice. Some of my videos have 4/5 ratings. Now i am going to declare this: THEY DO SUCK. but granted the ones who gave me advice, actually wanted to teach me something and those people are the ones I was going for.

As for ARMA, they are sport fencers who decided to study from manuscripts writen by different maestri about classical fencing which include grapling, rapier, long sword, bucklers, etc. They learn by experimenting and reading. Hate them if you want.



Then treat her like one, stop fooling around and grow up. You're an insult to her teachings.
what do u want me to do? I already said that I am going to stick with kendo and drop my other activities.

[crabbi]

Hey, I can read....sort of.
LOL... there's no getting past you is there buddy?....

Cheers

[Krad]

First of all, i am going to point out that about 80% of the people who commented on my videos say that they sucked. 20% of those messaged me and gave me advice. Some of my videos have 4/5 ratings.

99% percent of people who messaged you suck too! The other one percent either sucked or were pulling your nose!

BTW, Why did you remove them?

[keima]

BTW, Why did you remove them?
generating too much flame lol.

heres what some of comments were:
Kiema43

I viewed all of your new videos, thank you for sharing them with me. It appears you are enjoying what you do. This is a good thing. better than spending your free time doing drugs and committing crimes. For this reason it will always be a healthy activity.

Advice for improvement. Im certain many folks will comment on a lack of footwork, or a lack of form, or stance or style...etc.

Agreed, that is what takes place on the surface. But defensively speaking, it is important to know that all is occurring because an essential part of the foundation is missing. An elemental requirement that is not seen on the surface.

That element is the ability read the attack. WHen this happens you become comfortable under the blade, which will enable you to move to the right places, at the right times, in the correct way.
You must learn to step into and blend with the attack, rather than allowing yourself to be chased.

when this happens everything falls into place and techniques will be true.

The ability to read attacks comes after much training, but for that aspect it is easy training, jsut extremely repetitive...and rightly so. It must be constantly drilled over and over again. This is the beginning of understanding rhythm and timing. Before you can step through the door you must first be able to see when the door opens.

when doing this....you will know automatically when you are progressing, and you will know when youve finally achieved that ability. Youll know because the way you see the world around you will change in subtle ways.

in a nutshell

Precisely, but it must be done in an organized fashion. The body and the mind must be permitted to progress. Straying outside of this "training mode" will lead you astray and only cause your skill to digress. Begin with the basics, mastery of the basics is essential in order to develop anything at all. Then later progress into more complex issues.

Here are the basics....

>First, Step through the sword. You perform this drill with no sword in hand at all. Allow your partner to perform basic strikes on you, when doing so practice stepping through openings. For example, when your partner performs a diagonal cut, step forward at 45deg off-center and pass beneath the high-end of his sword tip. When doing this, one needs only step naturally, and need only dip the head below by just a couple inches. Practice this concept with all cutting directions, always passing by the sword within a couple inches. It will not be necessary to do this with large fleeting movements. This will begin to develop timing and rhythm. Practice this constantly. Practice slow at first, think each step through thoroughly, then faster. Begin against basic strikes (performed properly of course) then advance to more unconventional attacks, applying the lessons and concepts youve learned from the beginning. Learn to become comfortable under the blade.

>Second, using what youve learned, begin applying your chosen defensive techniques in this same manner. Basic parries, blocks, counters and such. Step through the sword, apply technique either during the movement or after. your goal is to perform the parry and counter in one fluid motion. This is what makes timing and rhythm absolutely essential. Practice this, constantly. Drill it...

Train the body to train the mind.

Structurally speaking however, the ideal parry should cause the opponent's blade to skip like a stone on water. Always deflect the opponent's tip with the middle-base of your blade. the technique should be timed such that it is not performed until the last couple instants, the counter strike should be performed at exactly the moment the blades make contact. Thus your blade finds its mark while the opponent's blade is still finishing its movement, and the opponent's body is still moving slightly forward. Leaving him no escape, and no room to counter.

Youve cut off his options. The cutting off of options is done so with rhythm and timing.

now of course this applies to a committed attack. for minor flicking type attacks, as nearly inconsequential as they are, are generally defended against with either a more aggressive approach or a more patient approach. Sometimes its favorable to agressively beat the opponent's blade downward and return with an upward stroke - again with one fluid movement.


Your welcome to add me. As far as other Kendokas are concerned, they fail to realize that what makes you different from the other shlags on here is that you are open to, and welcome advice from others in an effort to improve yourself. Also your not laying claim to doing or being anything.

As you can see on my profile, there are some people who take offense to outside input, and choose to pursue their foolishness to its final stupidity.

For me, Ive been doing this sort of thing for nearly 14 years, I have absolutely no obligation to validate myself to such individuals.

from:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=RoninHawk

[Kenzan]

Who or what is a Ronin Hawk?
LOL
Maybe his profile reads....(in a Barry White voice) "For all you sexeh babes out there, I'm a solitary, lone wolf kind of guy, taking orders from no one, I'm good witha sword, in that mysterious, dark sexeh kind of way..........but also i'm a predatory bird!
So watch out! Fear my mad bird skills!

Ronin Hayabusa...Sounds all Ninjer-ly and such!
Omoshiroi! hahahaha..!
Chotto Baka da na!
:P

I wanna see his videos too!

[keima]

well.. kenzan, you gave me some great advice too. You and Roninhawk werent the only ones.

[Mr. T.]

hahaha...:laugh: teaching over the net. You can only learn this stuff (I mean real JSA) in a dojo. So mr. Ronin Hawks suggestions are useless, sorry kind. Just visit the dojo more, trust me, you'll learn a lot more. At least then you know you're learning the real deal. Your ronin friend might be some self-taught backyard ninja loser.

[Mr. T.]

THEY DO SUCK.

Yes, finally. It’s about time. You are learning my young apprentice :D


As for ARMA, they are sport fencers who decided to study from manuscripts writen by different maestri about classical fencing which include grapling, rapier, long sword, bucklers, etc. They learn by experimenting and reading. Hate them if you want..

I don’t hate them. I’m just not sure about learning a dead art from manuscripts. As long as they have good basics in sport fencing and an high ranking maestro helping them out with interpreting them, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.


what do u want me to do? I already said that I am going to stick with kendo and drop my other activities.

No you did say that, but I’m glad you’ve decided to stick with one art for now. It’s better for your development in your art (in this case kendo).

[rottunpunk]

what do u want me to do? I already said that I am going to stick with kendo and drop my other activities.

im glad to hear it.
and also that you have stopped posting the video thingys.
you dont have to neccessarily stick with just kendo. choose the one you like most (ok so that may be kendo), and when you have a solid foundation in that, play at some other things to broaden your horizons.

one bit of advice may be to take the vids off youtube (if possible.) delete all traces bar one copy that you can later on look at and have a good laugh (and that copy can then be knicked by me, and used as blackmail or a hostage so you give me japan money...see im a genius)
:p

[Penguin Rush]

but also i'm a predatory bird!
So watch out! Fear my mad bird skills!
pfft. Birds that swim are so much cooler.

[ScottUK]

Not as cool as fish that fly.

[Rookie M]

[quote=keima]
As for ARMA, they are sport fencers who decided to study from manuscripts writen by different maestri about classical fencing which include grapling, rapier, long sword, bucklers, etc. They learn by experimenting and reading. Hate them if you want.quote]

ARMA are a respectable medieval swordsmanship study group who research the arts from old manuscripts and then try to develop them in the classroom and training hall. Those guys also write huge amounts on their study of the weapons of the period and the techniques by which they can be employed.
This is somewhat different to leathering your mates with sticks.
I am sure there is an opening for more study of the old manuscripts for Japanese swordsmanship although it may require a firm grounding in reading classical Japanese and in the many Oriental fighting arts that have already been researched and passed down to us.

http://www.thearma.org/

[Saigo]

All I have to say is never do anything your sensei would dissaprove of out of respect and loyalty to your chosen art.

O and thx for giving me entertainment at 3 am :P

[ScottUK]

Just out of interest, Sensei Harrison got back to me re: Alex the backyard ninja.

It turns out that the guy has only had a couple of lessons - and is already making an arse of himself and embarrassing his sensei...

I won't publish the email (as I do not have permission to do so) but I expect the situation will be cleared up soon.

[EDIT] looks like it is already done, seeing as there are now caveats on his duelling videos stating that they have nothing to do with Boston Kendo Kai:

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Kiema43

[Anime12478]

I wish I could see the email, but judging by the edits made on the video descriptions, he's still practicing there I assume?

[xvikingx]

Just out of interest, Sensei Harrison got back to me re: Alex the backyard ninja.....

Thanks for the update. I was dying to know.

[Mr. T.]

Just out of interest, Sensei Harrison got back to me re: Alex the backyard ninja.

It turns out that the guy has only had a couple of lessons - and is already making an arse of himself and embarrassing his sensei...

I won't publish the email (as I do not have permission to do so) but I expect the situation will be cleared up soon.


Thanks for the update.

[Blackavar]

[QUOTE=keima]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m-8ZqqKNX8
the link on the topic of discussion. THAT IS NOT ME!!!


Evedently I came too late to see some of the vids. Where do you find these idiots? it must take alot of time and effort!! :p

[Kenzan]

Link is busted..
;(

[ScottUK]

Add him to your friends list and you can see 'em.

[Blackavar]

Add him to your friends list and you can see 'em.

Scary thought that! he he:ko:

[ga1lyons]

Sigh, i love watching idiots hurt themself. It strengthens the genepool. But alas whenever i try to watch most of the idiots do their backyard kendo i get the message, "This is a private video. If you have been sent this video, please make sure you accept the sender's friend request." Sigh... I laugh when people do stuff like this as you can do nothing more except pity their parents. Explaining that they arent showing respect to the art is pointless as that would be lost upon them. My guess is the one fellow in the video i did get to see, has likely to yet train in the bogu. I've learned that most think they are barney bad @$$. Until they get the bogu on and someone is hitting them back.

[tyciol]

It has been suggested that we migrate to BYN, is there a more preferable destination? http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69839