Should Americans be banned from this forum?

[J. Schitt]

Some of the disrespectful and childish banter that occurs between idiot US kendo people is tiring. This forum was good once, but is being dragged down by idiots.

Please vote.

PS. Not all from that continent or country are idiots, only the ones that behave like idiots, so if you are not one please don't take offense.

Jack.

[Hai_hai]

You do not know Jack Schitt.

[kendomushi]

Yes, but lets open it up to all idiots of all nations. Or see if we can't get them confined to a nice padded cell.

[KATSUJIN]

woah......such a unusual topic....

[nodachi]

Not all US Kendo people are idiots. Although I will fail to comment anymore on this topic because people of all different countries can or cannot be idiots. Generalizations are not very nice or helpful.

[Hyaku]

Maybe the poll itself is somewhat foolish.

Would it help if we split the forum into Kyu and Dan?

Hyaku

[don_lubo]

That's a good idea J!

[Tashaki Nakata]

I agree most Americans are idiots, but I don't think we should ban them from the forum. It's the closest they'll ever get to a prestigeous environment in kendo.

Anyway, most of the US competitors in the WKC are Japanese. It gets somewhat confusing. It's hard to distinguish idiots just from the flag on the board.

[J. Schitt]

Originally posted by Hai_hai
You do not know Jack Schitt.

Interesting, somehow I though that you would be the first to bite!

BTW my comments and the poll only apply to idiots.

[dorkusxmaximus]

ouch, and you were the one that asked me what's the point of calling people names too. most americans are idiots, but not all like nodachi says.

[M.K. Kawai]

Kotonk! And Plonk!

MKK

[Inouye02]

wahahahahah

[moocow65]

if you don't want americans who aren't idiots to be offended then you should have renamed the topic to "Should American idiots be banned from this forum? or just idiots in general. me being an American idiot am offended. but i think i and most of my fellow american idiots bring alot of useful info to these forums. if you see threads that will obviously bring no kendo info, then just don't read them and get all bent out of shape.

[KENSHIN]

I think if you have a problem with the American populace of the forum then I think it is something you should take up with the moderators. As it seems you are not doing yourself justice by starting up a thread and then insinuating by stating that all Americans are idiots is just blatant idiocy in itself. Maybe you should go back to school and understand what it means to not make crude assertion as you have. Either way I think it is very childish of you to have started up a thread of this calibre to just bring down a group of people, please take this up with the moderators of the forum. If they are unable to provide you with a solution to your problem, then I suggest to you that you go find another forum that excludes American people from using it, you may be more happier like that, or just go outside of your house right now and start whacking away at some tree truck to beat away your frustration of American people. Other than that there is nothing I can suggest to you to help you of your dislike for this group of people. However you could always try this http://www2.ecureme.com/especial/psychology/especial_psychology_main.asp you may find a cure to your frustration.

[Charlie]

Hi.

I mostly lurk, but please be aware that the invective being hurled by American kenshi here at the KW forums does not represent American kenshi as a whole.

Perhaps one solution is to create a new forum for flame-wars and incendiary discussion, while the serious kendo talk can continue on topic. Just a thought!

Takashi wrote:

I agree most Americans are idiots, but I don't think we should ban them from the forum. It's the closest they'll ever get to a prestigeous environment in kendo.

Ouch! My fellow Americans, please don't prove this correct. Kendo begins and ends with rei, and zanshin is something that happens ALL the time.

[Hongsermeier]

Originally posted by Tashaki Nakata
I agree most Americans are idiots, but I don't think we should ban them from the forum. It's the closest they'll ever get to a prestigeous environment in kendo.

Anyway, most of the US competitors in the WKC are Japanese. It gets somewhat confusing. It's hard to distinguish idiots just from the flag on the board.

Most are idiots?? I won't even waste my time replying to that comment.

The closest they'll ever get to a prestigeous environment?? I don't want to pop your bubble, but have you ever been to the world kendo championships? Practiced with anyone from any countries team? If not, then SHUT THE HELL UP!!!

US competitors in the WKC are Japanese. If they were they would be on the Japanese team. They might be of Japanese desent, as most kenshi are. To be on the WKC team you must be a citizen of the country you represent. :cross_eye

[samurai999]

Originally posted by Tashaki Nakata
I agree most Americans are idiots, but I don't think we should ban them from the forum. It's the closest they'll ever get to a prestigeous environment in kendo.

Anyway, most of the US competitors in the WKC are Japanese. It gets somewhat confusing. It's hard to distinguish idiots just from the flag on the board.

Ahem!! I am also an "American idiot". An internet forum being prestigeous? What planet are you from?

I will correct you on the second paragraph. We are Japanese-American. That is.. Of Japanese descent. We have roots in Japan, but first and foremost, we are all american.

Tim

[itazura]

Ah yes, the prejudiced attitudes of of Tashaki rear their ugly head again. This inaka boy should get out and actually learn something about the world. Obviously he hasn't learned anything about kendo manners yet.

In all likelihood he has never been near a prestigeous environment himself.

As for this thread, who gives a Schitt. You have placed yourself on the same level as those you are complaining about.

Have you ever wondered why there are almost no sensei of 5 dan and higher on this forum. I don't. All I have to do is spend a few minutes on here reading about some kyu or shodan expounding at length their advice on subjects. Or the complete lack of civility towards one another.

What sensei would want to get on here only to have some beginner tell them their wrong. I have seen it. Encouragement is one thing, but all the bashing, whining and complaining is another. I can tell you that I know several sensei who read the forums, but most have said they would not post on here.

So before you throw flames my way, sit and really think about. This forum should be a reflection of the fine magazine that provides it.

[alexpollijr]

Well, this is not really my fight, but :

1- There are actually Godan and higher sensei here. There's Hyakutake Colin from Japan and Amatsuda sensei from the US .

2- Sometimes, kyu people wanto to hear from other kyu people what they think about this and that. Sometimes, kyu people want to know from the shodan/nidan people about their thoughts, because they're closer to them than the nanadan sensei. The sho/nidan people ask to the san/yon dan people and the yondan people , well .. they can figure things out for themselves already ;)

Of course this thread is a mistake but hey, can't we all be friends ?

- Alexandre

[itazura]

Yes Alex, that's two. There's Komoto sensei. Where are the rest?

Europe, Canada and America all have sensei who could contribute on here. You will not get most Japanese sensei because of the language difficulty.

As for Matsuda sensei, I know that he was flamed by some kyu on the iaido list some while back. Unbelievable to me.

Of course I see your point about about talking with your peers. And I agree. But I often see advice that is just plain wrong. Fortunately people such as Mr. Gendzwill jump in and correct it.

Yes we should all be friends, but that is just not human nature.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Amatsuda is Arnold Matsuda, former (current?) US team member. Also posting here from time to time is Curtis Marsden, who is nanadan I think. I wouldn't be shocked if Tim Yuge (rokudan I think) lurks from time to time - he used to listen in on iaido-l.

In short, you should be posting here like your sensei is looking over your shoulder. Because he may well be.

Thanks for the nod, itazura. My goal in spending so much time here and elsewhere is to spread correct information and get people started in the right direction, whether that be with dojo information or equipment advice or whatever.

Regarding the original intent of the thread: I think a better question might be, "should this forum be moderated"? I would vote no. I only wish the killfile function worked a little better, hiding posts from ignored people completely and not tagging threads as changed when the only contribution is from someone you're ignoring.

[itazura]

My pleasure Neil.

Yuge sensei is 7 dan
Jeff Marsten sensei is also 7 dan and is the former president of the AUSKF and was featured in a Kendo World article titled Seven.
Curtis Marsten sensei is 6 dan. The Marstens are up in Washington state.
Matsuda sensei is 5 dan and former US champion (1993?).

I agree with you about your sensei looking over your shoulder.

The first source for many questions on here should of course be at the dojo. Also there are many resouces on the web. But I also realize that not every dojo in the world has resident 5 dan or higher. This is where this forum becomes a really important springboard.

I don't even mind all the chatter on here. I just wish it would stay in the general chat section where it belongs.

Also the world is a mighty small place and sooner or later we all run into each other.

[Kiki]

One persons idiot is another's sage.

[AlexM]

Originally posted by itazura


What sensei would want to get on here only to have some beginner tell them their wrong.




The question is can the sensei back up his thoughts with arguments or just hierarchy?

I don't care that Hyaku (or whoever else) is whatever dan he is... He makes a good argument (sometimes ;) ). That's all that matters in a discussion (granted rank and experience can be taken as mitigating factors when judging the validity of an argument).

If someone of high rank gives an opinion or argument or answers a question or whatnot they should expect follow-up and potentially some disgreement. I thought that was the point of a message board after all. I cannot stand sensei that want people to worship what they say like gospel (fortunately there are few of those).

The subject of this thread is reprehensible by the way (same goes to for the Hai_hai bashing thread). If some Americans (or anyone else) want to act like idiots because of the anonymity provided by a message board then let them. What do I care? There are plenty more who would rather ask questions and give their opinions in a (relatively) respectfull manner (please continue snipping though, it keeps us all on our toes).

[Neil Gendzwill]

Originally posted by itazura
Also the world is a mighty small place and sooner or later we all run into each other.

Yup. I've met probably a good half-dozen of the regulars here one way or t'other. Also bear in mind that many of these sensei network so that even if they don't read your stuff directly, they hear about it. My seniors are aware that I chatter on-line all the time even if they don't read these boards themselves. I don't want to tick them off by behaving badly or overstepping my bounds.

Apologies to Marsten-sensei (both of you) for the mispelling.

[itazura]

Originally posted by AlexM



The question is can the sensei back up his thoughts with arguments or just hierarchy?

I don't care that Hyaku (or whoever else) is whatever dan he is... He makes a good argument (sometimes ;) ). That's all that matters in a discussion (granted rank and experience can be taken as mitigating factors when judging the validity of an argument).

If someone of high rank gives an opinion or argument or answers a question or whatnot they should expect follow-up and potentially some disgreement. I thought that was the point of a message board after all. I cannot stand sensei that want people to worship what they say like gospel (fortunately there are few of those).



Yes the worship factor just disgusts me. Sensei who expect worship and students who give it. Respect is the key word here.

Yes the person/sensei should back it up with good reason. Also can they back it up on the floor? However that reason is sometimes not clear for years to come. Often times there is not the mental or technical kendo development to understand the technique. Also it is very difficult to completely explain things on here that should be demonstrated in person for a more complete understanding.

Disagreement is fine, disrepect is not.

However jabbing your friends is always a good time. And I'd like to think that some of the people on here will be a friendly acquaintance some day.

[moocow65]

This is the closest we'll get to a prestigious environment in kendo huh? Gee, I guess competing in the Tozai Taikou in the Nippon Budokan, or practicing with the 9-dan, Inoue Shinichi, in the Kyoto Budokuden aren't as prestigious as being in this forum? Or how about Kurukuru practicing with former prime minister Hashimoto Ryutaro? Or maybe both of us being in Kendo Nippon? Or how about all the other American idiots who've done the same type of "prestigious" events in their kendo careers? Yeah, I guess not. So please don't ban us from these forums, this is all we have going for us.

[smith]

Until moocow jumped in above and got the thread back to its argumentative origins, I was going to say that its' amazing how a thread can start crappy and end up informative.

If you love blowing your own trumpet, flame wars and trolling, go hang out at rec.martial-arts. That's where the REALLY big dickheads play.

[M.K. Kawai]

Kotonk

MKK

[Paburo]

not wise to generalise, when only a few americans act like morons on this forum, flooding it with non-kendo related posts and rubbish. it seems like the level of informative kendo-ness on kwf is on decay.

though what really is discouraging for me, is that a lot of the supposed 'serious' and 'respectable' kenshi from america(specially the california area) support the trolls!
i can understand they are friends and mates in real life, but to not condemn the way they act on this forum is sad...

if someone from my dojo here(say Tato, Inaki, Kagemusha for instance) started acting in the childest way. annoying all posters i'd definitely feel ashamed to the bones, and would do something about it. NOT give them my public support even.

No wonder people from japan looking for kendo exchange come here and read such posts and camaraderie and decide not to go train with them.

[KhawMengLee]

hmmnn...humility isn't a character trait now is it?

Training with all those prestigous name obviously was for naught.

[mingshi]

Should I add that I also get tons of contacts from the KW forums? Either I meet them and they sign up later, or they are here already I meet them later.

Apart from 99% of the UK forumites (if not all), I have already met a few of those from Belgium, the Netherlands and the US. This weekend I'll be in Belgium to learn Naginata. Not to mention more pre-arranged meet-up Keiko with other KWF regulars from other parts of the world.

There are off-forum ways to contact the others. We have previously arranged the World Kendo Chat (but that didn't work well because not many of us are in the same timezone). Now we've switched to PM or MSN.

It happened to me 5 times already, but I'd still be surprised when someone I haven't met before come up to me and say, "Hey Mingshi from the Kendo World Forums! Nice to meet you!", combined with "No I don't post there, I just read".

[KhawMengLee]

Haha....you're gonna get another one pretty soon...watch out Mr Yama-san;)

[moocow65]

So I shouldn't defend my fellow Americans when a thread as offensive as this comes up? And why do you guys get so freaking threatened when someone who is a sensei, which I am not, or has been to a few places in the kendo world, posts something? Saying you have been doing kendo for 20 years gets replies like "Stop being so arrogant" And well, sorry guys for defending my country and its American kenshi. I guess that's just the USA for you. I was simply proving to my good friend Nakata-san that many American kenshi have been in prestigious kendo environments. I wasn't looking for recognition or respect or insults from any of you nor was I trying to make myself look good. I was simply proving Nakata-san wrong. And please, this wasn't about supporting trolls or whatever. This was about defending AMERICANS. I see nothing wrong in defending your country, but obviously some of you guys do. I really don't need replies from any of you guys, I just want a reply from Nakata-san to see what he has to say. Oh, and Smith, I really don't want to hear from a guy who said that AMERICAN SOLDIERS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH FRIENDLY FIRE (Last post of page 5 of "A nihonjin is US champion..thats just wrong!). Like I said before, you sir need to shut the hell up.

[KhawMengLee]

well....there is a difference between defending, advising and boasting.

Or maybe its the way you guys talk...but for example someone like Hyaku on the same topic of bad judging will say it with more civility.

Coming in and then saying "shimpan is gay....go eat bento...you know who I am? What I have won? I played with the Japanese PM, etc wank wank" does not sound very respectable or nice. In fact not very Sensei like at all...we did mention this to Kurukuru but his reply was of course along the lines of, "hey, I can't help it if I got the grade..."

Defending your mates is a good call but if they are gonna act like arseholes then you are upholding a lost cause.

MENG

[samurai999]

Originally posted by Paburo
though what really is discouraging for me, is that a lot of the supposed 'serious' and 'respectable' kenshi from america(specially the california area) support the trolls!
i can understand they are friends and mates in real life, but to not condemn the way they act on this forum is sad...

No wonder people from japan looking for kendo exchange come here and read such posts and camaraderie and decide not to go train with them.

Support? Where did I say that I support or oppose? Of course, I not sure if I am a "serious and respected kenshi" or if I'm in the group you describe, but when I see a statement that I agree with, I agree with it. When I see a statement that I don't agree with, I argue against it. Simple as that. I don't care who the poster is.

Next, I have not been in any internet forum that was polite or had no trolls or people not acting foolishly. College forums, car forums (they're the worst), sports forums, political debate forums, or this one. I really didn't expect this one to be any different.

To have camaraderie and be friends is to have tolerance of other peoples ideas and opinions. No matter how childish, or amateurish they act sometimes. You just answer or post or talk the way you normally talk without getting out of line. You take the good with the bad and leave it at that. If you don't like the perosn, just take it for who he/she is and forget about it.

My 0.02 cents,
Tim

[M.K. Kawai]

Well put.

I've been on many forums myself and this is no different than any of them. If there is something I agree with, I make a comment. If I don't, then I'll either post something or go on to something else. It's that simple.

MKK

[dorkusxmaximus]

here, here

[Paburo]

Originally posted by samurai999
Next, I have not been in any internet forum that was polite or had no trolls or people not acting foolishly. College forums, car forums (they're the worst), sports forums, political debate forums, or this one. I really didn't expect this one to be any different.

very true. all forums have trolls. i just hope they don't come from my dojo/area. and if they do, i'd do the best to help clean my schools/area reputation, not the other way around.

but then again our opinions are biased. since we've been lurking the forums for some time and sort of know each other in a way, this debate would be endless if we relied in our own POV's i think.

so i suggest you just ask any outsider to read the forum for the first time and comment his/her impression on things. sadly, i'm almost sure most will agree with Igarashi-san:

"I see some kendo attitudes are not very pleasing for student exchange. We wanted to go California, but many of the California forum members are seem very rude. "

"It is unfortunate that a small group of people can ruin the larger picture."

perhaps the larger picture is being ruined more as days pass without some really noticing it? gives you something to ponder about...

p.s. with this post i don't mean to get replies such as 'ill schmack you with the gerogero waza!!!!!' or 'how gay! youre gay!'.
we can still discuss things without the need of acting foolishly, right?

[misterkurukuru]

get off of your high horse! if you had any class and were not a low life like me, little things like this would not ruin the "big" picture for you. Infact you would be able to shrug my posts off with out feeling that you have to answer or put me in my place! you my good sir are as low as you say i am! thank you all for showing KWF how smart and great you are by not getting drawen into kurukuru's black hole...oh wait you were all drawn in...GAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH foooooooolllllssssssss
you have follwed me into the darkness...how dare you act innocent! soi guess we are not the BIG ZEN KENDO MASTERs we thought we were...why dont you ponder the reason for you having to shoot your mouth off...and why you want to emulate me

[William Honda]

I think we you should change your name to Jack Boot. Why don't we burn books too? I'm sure there are many that you don't like.

I'm an idiot, but what does that make the person that responds to idiots?

[ben]

MKK - This forum *was* different for a while. When I first signed up over a year ago there were very few flame wars and no brain-dead threads like this one. In fact "general chat" didn't even exist and all the posts were about kendo. Sure we had Achilles (ah! memories) but at least he was on topic.

Just go through the old threads by date and you'll see what I mean.

But now it is just like all the others.... *sniff!*

:(
b

[M.K. Kawai]

With almost 800 threads in Kendo alone... I'll pass and take your word for it.

Hey, even night owls need sleep, too :D

MKK

[Goomba]

I just read this thread and found it funny so I'm going to stay neutral and throw in my two cents. And yes I can do both because I'm that darn cool.

Well, as the fourm grows, the amount of annoying users will grow as well. But if you want to ban idiots, why not ban all idiots? I'm sure there are idiots posting from other places than the U.S. as well.

[J. Schitt]

Originally posted by Goomba
I just read this thread and found it funny so I'm going to stay neutral and throw in my two cents. And yes I can do both because I'm that darn cool.

Well, as the fourm grows, the amount of annoying users will grow as well. But if you want to ban idiots, why not ban all idiots? I'm sure there are idiots posting from other places than the U.S. as well.

Goomba gets it, Ben gets it too.

The idiots didn't, they are still arguing.


Signed:
Jack Schitt

[William Honda]

I'll bite.

Did you read my thread about the past? No better, no worse you were doing the same schitt before we showed up.

Mr. dual personality.

[Inouye02]

goomba, you are learning from my favorite hachidan sensei ?

[Inouye02]

now that there is a flames place , no one comes in here, are you scared that you will be noticed now ?

[stinkyKote]

e-gads... is the united states part of a kendo forum axis of evil?

...man this is a dumb topic ...

[sverba]

So sad...I am only a beginner, so what do I know though...

sv

[chidokan]

is J. Schitt any relation to B. Schitt????:wink:

ban everyone on this thread!! ....oh no Ive just added to it....oh dear...

Tim Hamilton

5th dan iaido and super all knowing font of wisdom to puny earthlings....;)

[J. Schitt]

I am still around, but have been relocated. When my satellite connection is reliable, I'll be back - baby.

Jack

[Inouye02]

must visit zimbabwe

[Goomba]

Inouye02, It's been a long time since I have been in here but yes I am training with Miyahara Sensei.

He's a quick little guy :)

[Foreigner]

Banning anyone on a basis of nationality is disgusting, immature and irresponsible. Since you claim to be from Liberia I think you should know all too well what happens when tribalism, racism and discrimination are brought into any kind of society.

[J. Schitt]

Banning anyone on a basis of nationality is disgusting, immature and irresponsible. Since you claim to be from Liberia I think you should know all too well what happens when tribalism, racism and discrimination are brought into any kind of society.

I agree.

I only suggested that only idiots be banned and as the USA has the highest internet use it is only logical that of the idiots that frequent these forums, the majority will be from the USA.

And Tim H., B. Schitt is no relation.

Stinkykote summed it up, why are you still looking at this thread.

Liberia? Moved on now, to a country that has a slightly better internet connection.

J.

[tango]

I know this is an old thread, but I'm just seeing it for the first time.

I guess I wanted to add that I was a little confused by the title of the thread and the options on the poll.

1. To address the thread title: No, we shouldn't ban American idiots from this board. We should ignore American idiots on this board.

2. To address the options for the poll
( Yes - Ban idiots from the US.
No - Don't ban idiots from the US.)

Yes, I think ALL idiots should be banned from the USA. I have little patience with idiots. I work with some idiots. I wish they were not in the USA at all. So any country that would like to claim them, please, be my guest. We'll be glad to ship them to your country in a handy, overnight FedEx package.

:)

[Shiro]

I just think all idiots should be banned...... just sad there are a lot of US people among them ;)

[gunslinger]

As the same as other countries, some areas of America can be ill-mannered and annoying. I for one am an American, and I noticed that places like New York City are often full of people who are careless and like to trash talk. When you go to Chicago though, people are more then willing to help a stranger. I can only assume that every other country is like that. Besides, I'm sure their is no-one perfect country.

[Saito]

Only idiots and liers should be banned and others that don't know what the hell there talking about. But if we judge those that are truly phsyco, and retarded does that make us also bad to judge others before our selves. Unlike Gen'ei he's got real issues.

[hyouriittai]

Interesting, eh folks?

[DanielH]

I think people that make threads like this should be banned, quit grouping everyone together, tell ops about problems, etc but don't do something this stupid. Topics like this can end up being the reason why a forum closes down...

[Raiza]

DanielH, if you have a look at the dates you'll see that this thread was dormant for MONTHS before being resurrected. Let's do our part and let this thread die once more.

AFAIK, there are very few threads that are expelled. This thread is in the proper section so the better sections don't have to be inundated with this sort of stuff. That was the original intention and it did improve the situation that existed at the time. That's part of the reason why our board is alive and well today. The moderators do a damn fine job too.

Die thread!! Die!!

[DanielH]

Final reply... oops - didn't look at the dates. Was in a hurry when I was reading the board and the school cleared all the cookies on this computer so I just assumed that someone posted again... guess I should have thought about that before I posted but hey... like I said, I was in hurry :P

[Rurøuni]

I agree with Kenshin on the first page. Let's not stereotype here, please, because like many have said, the title of 'idiot' doesn't suit everyone from America. I must admit, I'm not very pleased with my country's decisions they've made in the recent past, and I also think that the idea of equality within our nation is petty and will never be accomplished, but some of us do try, and I think those people deserve to not be judged among the majority of people who make unwise decisions. So, give us that. Let's just try to filter out some of the stupid choices some people make on here, and if it would satisfy you, we can keep somewhat of a closer eye on Americans.

[Rurouni]

IT takes an idiot to recognize an idiot...AM i right...AM I RIGHT!!!

btw, the Americans were actually Indians, so refer to white people from the US as United statesmen for now on...just to put a stop to confusion.(i live in the US but i ma not an "american" or a "united statesmen") So if anyone feels the need to curse the US, be sure not to...since not everyone has control over where they want to live............

[AlexM]

Die thread, die...

[dorkusxmaximus]

I say if I get banned, the frenchman Alex is going down with me. Right, buddy!

[ShinobiKenjutsu]

Damn good thing I'm british born and too old to argue, or I might offended! Seriously, though, the idiocy of a man is not measured in what he says about an issue, but by what he says about what OTHERS say about an issue. A community must be diverse in order to exist in harmony, with both good and evil. A utopia environment that disregards the Yin and Yang element would be an absurd and frivilous notion that would be bound for failure. Within a matter of time, there would be japanese posters that would be annoying to you, and you would move on to yet another scapegoat. A zen koan I once read went to this effect: A monk and a zen master were walking down a stone path in a forest and the monk said to the master : "Master, this forest is so cold, I do not like it. Let us go to a place where it is warm." They went then to a desert, and the monk said to the master "This place is to hot master. What shall we do?" The master replied, "In life, you should endeavor to live in a place that is both warm and cool, there is no way to achieve perfection with out balance."

Thats my ten cents.

[Katsuya]

Eh Jack Shit opps I mean jack schitt how about a topic about people from iran that are idiots which they really are.

A silent person cannot be determined whether they are stupid or smart, but when they open their mouth to speak or in which post a thread. It is easy to determine.

[ShinobiKenjutsu]

Eh Jack Shit opps I mean jack schitt how about a topic about people from iran that are idiots which they really are.Interesting how your post is both bigoted (personaly atrocius) AND grammaticly atrocious. To generalize that all Iranians are idiots truly shows how foolish you yourself are.

[Eiliries]

This poll is spitefull and meanspirited, I would have you know that there are tons of Americans who are not idiots (granted, the president is not one of them), in fact Europe contains the same quotient of idiots as America (if not more), but I don't see anyone bashing them!

[KhawMengLee]

This poll is spitefull and meanspirited, I would have you know that there are tons of Americans who are not idiots (granted, the president is not one of them), in fact Europe contains the same quotient of idiots as America (if not more), but I don't see anyone bashing them!

Yo! Ms. Necromancer! Stop raising the dead and let the thread die.

[Shiro]

This poll is spitefull and meanspirited, I would have you know that there are tons of Americans who are not idiots (granted, the president is not one of them), in fact Europe contains the same quotient of idiots as America (if not more), but I don't see anyone bashing them!

I do agree on that.... it's easy to say Americans are idiots here because I guess most posts come from Americans. There are cool americans, look at Michael Moore ;) (okay, now I'm sure to be labelled as a liberal commie, but I don't care :p).

[J. Schitt]

Yo! Ms. Necromancer! Stop raising the dead and let the thread die.

I started the thread and I agree. Let it die!

Flames are now segregated and some of the idiots have fizzed off.

In my original post I said "PS. Not all from that continent or country are idiots, only the ones that behave like idiots, so if you are not one please don't take offense."

JS

[DanDan]

Maybe the poll itself is somewhat foolish.

Would it help if we split the forum into Kyu and Dan?

Hyakui dont think so bcuz a lot of ppl need advice or hav questions and it helps to hav more experienced ppl giving advice and answering questions than ppl in kyu to answer ea other and mayb b wrong (maybe...not saying they WILL...but there's a possiblity)