What can be done and can't be done.

[Narrakan]

Hello. I'm Narrakan. Or you may call me Criss if you so choose. I joined this forum to talk over with all of you about different fighting styles for each of the weapons.

Now I was reading a thread shortly before I joined on the Hiten Mitsurugi-Ryū style of fighting. Now as many of you agree this style can't be performed due to the speed needed for each technique. But there was one man who kinda ticked me off for he said that this style was impossible to pull off. That is not entirely true. Example.

Hiten Mitsurugi-Ryū: Battojutsu Hiryūsen (Flying Dragon Flash) is a move performed by everyone's beloved Pacifist Samurai. Kenshin Himura. Now this technique actually can be pulled off for all that is used and quoted from Wikipedia.

Beginning with the sword still sheathed, the swordsman thrusts his arm outward, flicking the tsuba of the sword with his thumb at the same time. The sword is flung out of the sheath at high speed to strike the opponent. A technique with power on the same order of the Douryūsen.

Now this attack can be pulled off. It just will be slower then Kenshin's. Another one that can actually be pulled off to a degree. But I wouldn't suggest it be used due to in the fedual era if you tried that you're head would quickly be rolling from your shoulders.

Hiten Mitsurugi-Ryū: Ryūkansen (Dragon Spiral Strike)

A swing that takes advantage of the entire body's turning motion to dodge an enemy's attack or to bypass an enemy's defense, striking immediately after. This is best used at a counter-attack.

Now that is another move that is able to be pulled off. Okay. I feel I have proven my point. Now I do not care if you call me a kenshin fan or anything because actually I don't like Kenshin. I prefer Sagara Sanosuke due to him wielding a Zanbato which is my favorite weapon next to a Sakabato and a Halberd.

Now the post that this thread was referring to is..


SPLICE:The art doesn't exist. The techniques don't exist. This is all fiction, even the author of the manga said so. There is nothing to teach, and a list of "possible moves" is ridiculous and on the same level as twirling sticks in your backyard; it has nothing to do with swordsmanship and everything to do with teenage fantasies.

I want this art to be so rare that I don't ever want to hear one person say they practice it or teach it. So rare that even you shouldn't ever speak of it and you should keep these silly ideas to yourself. The only part of your message worth reading is when you say you are uttering nonsense, and there I agree completely. You should stop that.

Okay..

[Alison2805]

"flinging swords out of sheaths at high speed"? Sorry, I only do kendo, so none of this is relevent to me.

[Narrakan]

Then why did you post?? O_o

[Alison2805]

Perhaps because youve put this on a kendo forum? That may have something to do with it.

[Narrakan]

Good point.

[ben]

One day you might be moved to enter a real dojo and learn. That will only happen after you throw out all these fantasies and ready yourself to start at the bottom. It will be hard work but it will be real.

b

[rottunpunk]

if your saving up for a bokuto
come along to our dojo and learn some real swordwork
we have plenty spare bokuto

nearly a soke at 16 eh? thats pretty good going :D
:p

[Fonsz]

Is there a fall break or something in the US Schools? Because the Sword Masters are coming out of the wood work. Working on their own style no less. All this at the tender age of 16. You don't happen to have some footage of your own style do you? Post it here and we will give you guidance how to perform those tricky flicks and stuff. Dame Rottun is having a slow time lately and this would make her day, and the day after and after and after.............:ko:

[The great I AM]

Hello. I'm Narrakan. I'm a bloody fool who has come somewhere where people take kendo seriously to tell people why I think a made up comic book is real.

I am a tit and should be regarded and conversed with as such.

Thank you
Seconded! Tit!

[Rurouni Kenshin]

Dont tell me what I can or cant do; I tell you, I'm a TV actor - its all fake. They used a stunt double and alot of special FX.......

;)

[Narrakan]

Wow. Nice to see there are twits here also. And i'm not saying that Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu is a real style.. I'm just saying that some of the techniques can be done. But not to the extent that Kenshin cause due to it being a anime/manga. And my uncle is helping me make my style. Right now I'm in the research phase.

[h2o]

Right now I'm in the research phase.And there you will probably remain for a quite long time. ;)

[Dervish]

Is there a fall break or something in the US Schools? Because the Sword Masters are coming out of the wood work. Working on their own style no less. All this at the tender age of 16.

I don't suppose this is the time to tell you all that I'm trying to develop Makashi (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Form_II:_Makashi) style by watching video sequences of Count Dooku over and over?

/I kid, I kid!

[Narrakan]

Just like all the slime of the human race. doubting somebody cause of their age.

[h2o]

Just like all the slime of the human race. doubting somebody cause of their age.No, because you are trying to convince us that Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu could be real, and because you are making up a style ofyour own with your uncle. That is why.

[Narrakan]

No. I am not saying that Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu is a real style. Not once have I said that. I've been saying that some of the techniques can be performed. But not like Kenshin performs them.

[h2o]

Beginning with the sword still sheathed, the swordsman thrusts his arm outward, flicking the tsuba of the sword with his thumb at the same time. The sword is flung out of the sheath at high speed to strike the opponent. A technique with power on the same order of the Douryūsen.
Of course you can to this technique. It is about as specific as saying "Cut the guy with your sword...". That technique exists in a large amount of iaido-kata, just without the "spitting fire thoriugh the dragons butt"-names.

You have two options:
1) Go practice with your uncle and have fun, but don't expect anyone who actually practices something real will give you a big hug when you go to their forums to talk about it.
2) Drop the idea of your own school and start doing some real stuff like kendo, iaido or kenjutsu.

[Narrakan]

I'm doing my style to test myself and see how long I can continue with it.

[Fonsz]

Wow. Nice to see there are twits here also. And i'm not saying that Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu is a real style.. I'm just saying that some of the techniques can be done. But not to the extent that Kenshin cause due to it being a anime/manga. And my uncle is helping me make my style. Right now I'm in the research phase.
The Right Honorable Count Gibbo said "Tit" not "Twit". Proper nomenclature is very important, even if you are researching or god forbid making up your own style. Before you know it you got the techniques mixed up and we can't have that can we?
But I second Gibbo's motion, and the more you post the less you're gonna like it.


I don't suppose this is the time to tell you all that I'm trying to develop Makashi style by watching video sequences of Count Dooku over and over?

/I kid, I kid!
Any time is a good time as long as you post footage of these Makashi ryu. Provided you can stand the heat.:p

[h2o]

I'm doing my style to test myself and see how long I can continue with it.Good for you. But you are still in the wrong forum.

[rottunpunk]

Dame Rottun is having a slow time lately and this would make her day, and the day after and after and after.............:ko:

your insight astounds me
i was just thinking to myself t'other day how quiet it is on here
and what with all my youtube freinds disapearing i was getting a wee bit bored

narrakan.
seriously. how long have you (or your uncle) studied any other sword styles for?
its good that you are opting for bokuto and not wallhanger to train with
but it is still dangerous.
musashi et al. created their own style yes. but they came from a much different era.
when the samurai class used swords before they could walk. and went around having duels and ninjer killings and performing deadly flower arrangements and such.
dont come onto boards like this proffessing things you know little about
if indeed you have lurked for a while, you should have come across the backyard ninjer threads.

good luck in finding a real dojo. we can probably help you with that here if you like.
:p

[ne0r]

a made up comic book is real.

Paradoxon. Period.

1. What you want to hear:
Theoretically all what Kenshin does is possible, to an extent. I think the author of the mange immitated some iaido kata.
2. What you don't want to hear:
That doesn't make Kenshin's techniques real. I have never spun around with my bokken realizing that every man who gets touched by the blow of wind was immediately falling to the ground or something like that.

1. What you again want to hear:
There are in fact young people out there creating their own style of kenjutsu, kenjutsu is what they call it.
2. What you do not want to hear:
Most of them who we (KW-Forum) have met on the internet realized that they were making an ass of themselves. To people who practise kendo/iai/kenjutsu or something like that people like that look pretty ridiculous unfortunately and if you try to defend what you are doing, what in itself looks ridiculous, you make yourself even more ridiculous. If that's what you want to achieve...

Do we have to discuss why a made up sword-style is bad? (Even if you do not make it up, but research it: It takes at least 30 years or more to grasp what you are doing. Forget research, you won't understand what you are trying to do and will get it wrong.)

Furthermore, I believe that in not more than a week you will be willing to join a dojo. No, I know it.

Why you should join a dojo?
You learn a legit art.
You will make friends.
Kendo/kenjutsu/iaido is fun!

Just tell us where you live, and there will be lots of people willing to help you join a dojo.

This is not in any way meant to be offensive. We are not trying to ruin your fun nor do we want to ridicule you, we want to help. Really. (This is a part of kendo, for example: Being willing to help.)

Ah, one thing: Don't try to practise at home. You will mess your basics up and will get bad habits which will take at least months to get rid of.

[ne0r]

Oh, I forgot:

There were people, like Rottunpunk said, who made their own styles, Musashi, etc. But they had experience and had to learn the style of their masters first to a maximum extent (I believe). You can't make up a style without first understanding how things work. And it takes at least 30 years to get a grasp on kenjutsu/kendo/iai, I think.

Good luck!

[Dervish]

Ne0r, that was a great post.

Ne0r has given Narrakan some great, constructive advice. Next time I hope to follow this example without my resorting to snarkyness.

[Newbie]

This is a part of kendo, for example: Being willing to help.)

Don't forget another important part of kendo/iaido/kenjutsu etc - willing to be helped.

It's a path. You need a guide.

[rottunpunk]

Oh, I forgot:

There were people, like Rottunpunk said, who made their own styles, Musashi, etc. But they had experience and had to learn the style of their masters first to a maximum extent (I believe). You can't make up a style without first understanding how things work. And it takes at least 30 years to get a grasp on kenjutsu/kendo/iai, I think.

Good luck!

nice psot neor.
yeah i agree
thats 30 years just to grasp the basics though, even if training daily for some
:p

[ne0r]

Don't forget another important part of kendo/iaido/kenjutsu etc - willing to be helped.

Yes, you're right. Completely forgot this. (Because, thinking of kendo, I can't imagine kendo without wanting to learn/being helped, so I thought this is natural...)

[Shazzanzzz]

You should be like yahiko and go to a dojo. As i recall from the 2nd oav, he beat up kenshin's son without any fancy techniques.

And if you think about it... kenshin had a teacher too you know. What makes you think you're better than a fictional sword legend? Even a fictional hero needed a teacher.

[Newbie]

thats 30 years just to grasp the basics though, even if training daily for some

I can't remember who but there was a famous hachidan who said that it took him something like fifty years to learn the basics... and that's when his real kendo training began.


Why you should join a dojo?
You learn a legit art.

Oh yeah, and you can practise it wherever you go. That's what I love. between LARP and budo I've seen more of my country in the last four years than I had for the last twenty-four or so. I go to Perth for a roleplaying con? Train when I'm not busy and meet new jodoka and iaidoka who can help me in my arts with the blessing of my local sempai. And everyone in the community is so willing to help you and teach you.

This is a little off topic but it's a bonus for being in legit dojos - we have two guys who recently joined our kendo dojo who also train in a koryu iai dojo. In kendo both are the same rank - rokyu. However in this koryu one is the other's sempai and many years his senior. The other night I and my training partner were talking to the sempai who was saying how much he learns from his kohai about kendo from watching him.

This little gem helps to show what these arts are really about, the real life stuff you learn, like that you can learn so much from watching other people, their strengths and from their mistakes, those who are ahead of you, behind you and equal to you. All you need to do is pay attention and be humble. But you wont get that outside a dojo.

[ne0r]

Besides - you get cool gear and can fight with full contact...

:D

[Manuka]

Right now I'm in the research phase.


Doesn't re-search imply that somewhere, somehow there was a search to begin with?

Search works pretty good on this forum, and on http://forums.swordforum.com/

Might be able to see where others have gone before.

(Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. - George Santayana)

[Mr. T.]

Oooohhh crap... here we go again. TROLL ALERT, let the flaming begin (you can still save yourself kid).

Hi Criss,

Listen kid: MANGA IS FANTASY. Now that I"ve got that out of my system. Join the real world, much more fun and way more gratifying. Please join a dojo or vistit one before you make a complete ass out of yourself. Serveral members can help you find a dojo. If you still want to do the manga $h!t after that, you can alway join the jokes of the MA world and become an XMA loser.

Forget invention your own style. At your age it's only done by losers (sorry, but it's true). So don't. Stop inventing MA/sword moves, you haven't got the skills. No legit JSA practitioner "invents" a style, if a new style comes to be, it is done by a person with years and years of training in/with legit sword schools. So if you really want to create a style, find a dojo, start training as if your life depends on it and come back after 50 years or so.

[tattooedasshole]

Just like all the slime of the human race. doubting somebody cause of their age.
When you come on here and spout crap about the validity of a non-existant form swordmanship, you're gonna get blasted. Regardless of age.
Please take your ignorance else where.

[Bennosuke]

U have to understand that we have had this conversation with other people before, so excuse us if we are a little terse.

U can not reaserch this style because u don't have any knowladge about sword fighting. Reaserch is done through tryng things out against other people in real fights. THis isn't possible, because no one really sword fights anymore. Even an ample knowladge of physics isn't going to help you design a style, because u have to know about human physiology and psychology to create techniques that are physically efficient, and phyisiologically deadly.

Even when samurai were alive, only very skilled sword fighters created styles, because they already had enough technical know how to develop new strategies.

That aside designing a new style is pointless. What would u use it for? Why do it?

Also Hiten Mitsurugi ryu is just a made up style. IT is logically a bad idea. For more detail about that look up other threads.

If u are interested in Japanese sword art, take up Iaido or kendo, or a koryu if ur lucky enough, and learn from people who already know what they are doing.

[Obukan_dude]

Interesting...right after the good advice began, this thread's originator vanished...how odd.:glasses:

[Fonsz]

your insight astounds me

That's because I'm an emphatical genius! A regular Dr. Phil if you haven't noticed.
Seriously now.
You all scared him of. He didn't even post video footage of his new found style. That's not very nice of you guys.
Now we can never see this 16 year old sword child prodigy! Damn you cocky kendo nerds! (And Iaido nerds):tongue:

[Mr. T.]

You all scared him of.

Yeah, I know. We've had many trolls this year, we've been able to fine tune our hunting skills. We are now experts in anti-troll ryu troll-bashing-jutsu :p


He didn't even post video footage of his new found style. That's not very nice of you guys.

Ohh damn, never thought about that. :down: We´ll be more carefull next time. :laugh:

[ne0r]

I don't think he is a troll. He didn't come here for flames.

[tango]

I wish all these backyard ninjas would quit putting a flag designator next to their names.

Flashing Fly Fish Death Ray Stinger strike?!?
Humpty Dumpty Had A Great Fall On Your Head And Break It Wide Open Hammer Fist?

Dude... PLEASE go find some other message board that caters to backyard ninjery.

[Heathen_Blade]

... you can alway join the jokes of the MA world and become an XMA loser. ...

...
Well, now that this topic has died down (at least a little)... and I feel stupid for not knowing this...
...
What's XMA?

[Heathen_Blade]

... Nevermind. Google has saved the day! :)

... Flashy. That's about it... draws a large crowd though...

Perhaps they should just take the kendo label off of it and make XMA its own sport...?