Names of Kendo no kata

[satsumaruma]

can someone please enlighten me on the names of the Kendo no kata and their origins?

Thanks in advance.

[Neil Gendzwill]

ipponme - number 1
nihonme - number 2
sanbonme - number 3
etc etc

Sorry, no fancy names like koryu kata.

[satsumaruma]

Yep as i thought.

was told some time ago by someone who will remain nameless as he 'contributes' to these forums that the Kendo no kata do actually have names. I had not heard that they had and forgot to raise the question at the time.

the world is as it should be again.....sigh

[Kingofmyrrh]

Yep as i thought.

was told some time ago by someone who will remain nameless as he 'contributes' to these forums that the Kendo no kata do actually have names. I had not heard that they had and forgot to raise the question at the time.

the world is as it should be again.....sigh
They are based on various kata from koryu, so they may well have had names originally... but not any more.

[namabiru]

ipponme - number 1
nihonme - number 2
sanbonme - number 3
etc etc

Sorry, no fancy names like koryu kata.

Yeah, that's what I thought too, but thought I better be careful with answering just in case there *were* names...

[Newbie]

I would have thought that, being taken from various koryu and then modified, they would either have been given completely different names, or just left as ipponme, nihonme, etc to avoid anyone getting their back up.

Makes sense to me, anyway.

[Charlie]

I wonder what their original names were! A lot of kata have great names like "cloud parting cut" and "the tiger waits then springs" or the like.

[Obulco]

can someone please enlighten me on the names of the Kendo no kata and their origins?

Thanks in advance.

I found this time ago in some book. I cannot remember the source so I cannot honor it. Perhaps somebody with more knowledge can deny or confirm.

"The techniques represent 10 schools as follows:

1. Hasso:Jikishinkage Ryu
2. Henka: Kurama Ryu
3. Hachiten Giri: Hozan Ryu
4. Maki Otoshi: Rishin Ryu
5. Kadan no Tsuki: Hokushin Itto Ryu
6. A-un: Asayama Ichiden Ryu
7. Ichi-ni no Tachi: Jigen Ryu
8. Uchi Otoshi: Shindo Munen Ryu
9. Hasetsu: Yagyu Shinkage Ryu
10. Kurai Zume: Kyoshin Meichi Ryu"

[Neil Gendzwill]

The book must be referring to some other set of kata. For example, there's no maki-otoshi or uchi-otoshi in the standard kata.

[ben]

I found this time ago in some book. I cannot remember the source so I cannot honor it. Perhaps somebody with more knowledge can deny or confirm.

"The techniques represent 10 schools as follows:

1. Hasso:Jikishinkage Ryu
2. Henka: Kurama Ryu
3. Hachiten Giri: Hozan Ryu
4. Maki Otoshi: Rishin Ryu
5. Kadan no Tsuki: Hokushin Itto Ryu
6. A-un: Asayama Ichiden Ryu
7. Ichi-ni no Tachi: Jigen Ryu
8. Uchi Otoshi: Shindo Munen Ryu
9. Hasetsu: Yagyu Shinkage Ryu
10. Kurai Zume: Kyoshin Meichi Ryu"

These are the paired kata of the Keishi Ryu of the Tokyo Metro Police. The names were kept because they were meant to be identifiable as being from each of these koryu. Incidentally "Rishin" is a misreading of "Tatsumi". I think this particular list is Draeger's.

b

[namabiru]

I found this time ago in some book. I cannot remember the source so I cannot honor it. Perhaps somebody with more knowledge can deny or confirm.

"The techniques represent 10 schools as follows:

1. Hasso:Jikishinkage Ryu
2. Henka: Kurama Ryu
3. Hachiten Giri: Hozan Ryu
4. Maki Otoshi: Rishin Ryu
5. Kadan no Tsuki: Hokushin Itto Ryu
6. A-un: Asayama Ichiden Ryu
7. Ichi-ni no Tachi: Jigen Ryu
8. Uchi Otoshi: Shindo Munen Ryu
9. Hasetsu: Yagyu Shinkage Ryu
10. Kurai Zume: Kyoshin Meichi Ryu"

That's true--while this stuff really doesn't show up in the modern ZNBK kata, still interesting nevertheless.

[Obulco]

These are the paired kata of the Keishi Ryu of the Tokyo Metro Police. The names were kept because they were meant to be identifiable as being from each of these koryu. Incidentally "Rishin" is a misreading of "Tatsumi". I think this particular list is Draeger's.

b

Thanks so much, Ben. it seems that I recorded the wrong list. So is there any connection between these and Kendo Kata?

[ben]

Not directly, no.

b