300 movie

[ahmed61086]

I just saw the movie "300". Holy guacomole, that movie was crazy. I highly recommend it for veiwer over the age of 18, due to gore and sexual scenes.

The movie was realy amazing. Check it out.

[dwez]

I can't wait for it and I'm trying to convince the wife she'll enjoy it too based on the semi-naked Spartan dudes who knows I may get to see it!

[emitbrownne]

I believe they have kept it close to the Miller Graphic Novel which was brilliant....

I'm really looking forward to it.

Plus any popular sword film means more budding Kendoka into clubs... (is it a good thing that they want to do kendo because of violent films?? yeah thats why I did :) )

[SmellsLikeBogu]

I want to seeeeeeeee
we gotta wait until the 21st :( (using the legal channels that is)

[Washington]

Would be Spartans applying to class prolly isn't a biggie. Now the TMNT movie I saw an ad for....

[SmellsLikeBogu]

Would be Spartans applying to class prolly isn't a biggie. Now the TMNT movie I saw an ad for....

TMNT movie? enlighten me!

[kartoffelngeist]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, I would assume...

If they can't get people into martial arts, nothing will...

[Dervish]

Wake me up when there's a movie about the reign of Cyrus the Great, maybe they can do a free Babylon campaign or something :)

[dwez]

Would be Spartans applying to class prolly isn't a biggie. Now the TMNT movie I saw an ad for....

According to the production videos they used all sorts of Malaysian martial arts to get a distinctive fighting style. Not exactly grecian but it should look cool y'never know...

[Galo]

I want to seeeeeeeee
we gotta wait until the 21st :( (using the legal channels that is)

30th here... can't... wait... I'm almost done with my finger nails.... guess I gotta go for the toe nails :laugh:

[剣、ビールおよび女の子]

Earth Render from out thy breast
A remnant of your martyred dead
Of those three hundred, give us but three
And we'll have a new Thermopylae
(Byron)

which is more or less our motto for the Mumeishis...

Of course, I have only seen the trailer (where Leonidas does a fairly un-laconic amount of SHOUTING and posing in bikini briefs) - but I couldn't spot the 5,000 or so Thespians, Thessalians and unnumbered helots who were watching the Spartnas' backs... Still, if it brings new folk along to practice.

having said that, when Last Samurai came out we had people turning up with "Tom Cruise" carved on their bokken - for 300, I should imagine the capacity for repressed homooerotic fantasists is exponentially increased:

"Yeah, you line up there, at the end of the queue and next to the box of Kleenex"

[hunnysan]

ohhh good reviews, i must see.

[michaelm]

According to the production videos they used all sorts of Malaysian martial arts to get a distinctive fighting style. Not exactly grecian but it should look cool y'never know...

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/300/feature5/

[euclid]

Earth Render from out thy breast
A remnant of your martyred dead
Of those three hundred, give us but three
And we'll have a new Thermopylae
(Byron)

which is more or less our motto for the Mumeishis...

Of course, I have only seen the trailer (where Leonidas does a fairly un-laconic amount of SHOUTING and posing in bikini briefs) - but I couldn't spot the 5,000 or so Thespians, Thessalians and unnumbered helots who were watching the Spartnas' backs... Still, if it brings new folk along to practice.

having said that, when Last Samurai came out we had people turning up with "Tom Cruise" carved on their bokken - for 300, I should imagine the capacity for repressed homooerotic fantasists is exponentially increased:

"Yeah, you line up there, at the end of the queue and next to the box of Kleenex"

300 makes no claims to historical authenticity, it is based on a graphic novel retelling of the story that focused more on the mythical side of the battle.

[Onara]

when Last Samurai came out we had people turning up with "Tom Cruise" carved on their bokken



I hope you killed them.

[Munnin]

300 makes no claims to historical authenticity, it is based on a graphic novel retelling of the story that focused more on the mythical side of the battle.

What is funny to me is that by basing it on a historical event they insolate them selves from criticism of the choices they make in the creation of the movie and yet still get to play poetic license card.

Some criticized the choice of emphasizing the dark skin of the bad guys and they are dismissed because well that is the way it happened. I have seen critics of the factual inaccuracies in the film dismissed because well it’s just a movie. They get to have their cake and eat it too.

[Bokushingu]

I was gonna see it yesterday at midnight, but after 90 mins of back to back keiko, got home and fell asleep. Gonna make it tonight for sure.


Some criticized the choice of emphasizing the dark skin of the bad guys and they are dismissed because well that is the way it happened. I have seen critics of the factual inaccuracies in the film dismissed because well it’s just a movie. They get to have their cake and eat it too -- I hope people don't spoil it by crying about unnecessary crap. I'm pretty sure i'm gonna enjoy it no matter what the baddies look like. :)

[euclid]

What is funny to me is that by basing it on a historical event they insolate them selves from criticism of the choices they make in the creation of the movie and yet still get to play poetic license card.

Some criticized the choice of emphasizing the dark skin of the bad guys and they are dismissed because well that is the way it happened. I have seen critics of the factual inaccuracies in the film dismissed because well it’s just a movie. They get to have their cake and eat it too.


So Frank Miller (who wrote the original graphic novel upon which the film is based) can't retell a story without embellishment? His main reason for writing the orginal nook was that he saw the film "The 300 Spartans" as a young man and it caught his imagination. I don't really have a problem with it. It is not as though they are trying to say that this is the way it REALLY happened, it's entertainment.

[Kapplow]

Just got back from the theater and needless to say it kicked a$$. I read the graphic novel before seeing the movie and I also watched a history channel special about what "really" happened(history channel can be as bad as hollywood though). They actually added some factual stuff that wasn't in the graphic novel which was cool.
Since I started JSA I have a little trouble enjoying fight scenes. I didn't have that promblem with this movie thank god.

[Washington]

According to the production videos they used all sorts of Malaysian martial arts to get a distinctive fighting style. Not exactly grecian but it should look cool y'never know...

I'm sure as a passable story with stunning visual effects it will be a good movie. That's why I'll go see TMNT. Or buy the book.

[don don]

I don't know the graphic novel - personally I prefer the pictures in my head to ones on paper - but the historical novel by Stephen Pressfield is fantastic. One of the best historical fiction I've read. It actually read like a 'Kendo book' to me. Well researched. Stuff like the Spartans using battle songs for breath control right at the point of battle commencing, while the less trained enemy were yelling and whacking themselves out to little purpose. Interesting stuff.





"The Spartans do not ask how many, but where they are."

[JSchmidt]

(history channel can be as bad as hollywood though).

Hollywood is about entertainment, not your historical education. If people start thinking that what they see in a movie based on a historical event was what really happened, blame your education system, not Hollywood.

[Fudo-Shin]

Hollywood is about entertainment, not your historical education. If people start thinking that what they see in a movie based on a historical event was what really happened, blame your education system, not Hollywood.For some people....Hollywood movies are the extent of their education. Plus a few times tables....

[Dervish]

For some people....Hollywood movies are the extent of their education. Plus a few times tables....

This guy I knew from a class once talked about "Quantum Slipstream (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Quantum_Slipstream)" from Star Trek Voyager as if it were a real thing that NASA could use for space travel.

[Fudo-Shin]

This guy I knew from a class once talked about "Quantum Slipstream (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Quantum_Slipstream)" from Star Trek Voyager as if it were a real thing that NASA could use for space travel.Let's hope NASA can catch up to Hollywood ...

[kim]

Too long to wait... must see film now... Don't care if its not correct...Hopefully its like the Graphic novel.

[Kapplow]

Hollywood is about entertainment, not your historical education. If people start thinking that what they see in a movie based on a historical event was what really happened, blame your education system, not Hollywood.


I think you misunderstood what I was trying to explain. Probably because of my substandard education and lack of intelligence. But thanks for taking a jab at my country's education system though. :)

[Munnin]

So Frank Miller (who wrote the original graphic novel upon which the film is based) can't retell a story without embellishment? His main reason for writing the orginal nook was that he saw the film "The 300 Spartans" as a young man and it caught his imagination. I don't really have a problem with it. It is not as though they are trying to say that this is the way it REALLY happened, it's entertainment.

You missed my point. If they choose to alter facts they are aware of then they are open to criticism as much as any fictional movie.

[Munnin]

-- I hope people don't spoil it by crying about unnecessary crap. I'm pretty sure i'm gonna enjoy it no matter what the baddies look like. :)

If people carping about the movie ruin it for you, you have bigger issues that this move. :)

[taganahan]

wow. this movie is exciting but after watching them do the same thing all over again for the umpteenth time, it gets old real quickly.

another note. i'm pretty sure ninjas didn't migrate to persia

~taganahan

[don don]

another note. i'm pretty sure ninjas didn't migrate to persia

~taganahan

Wow! Persian Ninjas???!!! I can't wait!!!!

[ahmed61086]

Wow! Persian Ninjas???!!! I can't wait!!!!

Persion, Orc like, ninja samurais. That what they seemed like to me:silly: .

[don don]

Persion, Orc like, ninja samurais. That what they seemed like to me:silly: .


Coooooooooooool!!!!!

[Dervish]

Wow! Persian Ninjas???!!! I can't wait!!!!


Persion, Orc like, ninja samurais. That what they seemed like to me:silly: .

Sounds like one big East vs. West killfest. Which is very similar to what we saw in the original Lord of the Rings book; the Arab-influenced Harad fighting alongside Sauron's army, as well as the slant eyed orcs which Tolkien confirmed in Letter 210. :P One of the monsters on the Persian side shown in the primary commercial even looks like a cave troll from the LOTR movies.

I wish my grandfather had told me more Persian ninja stories ...

[Munnin]

Sounds like one big East vs. West killfest. Which is very similar to what we saw in the original Lord of the Rings book; the Arab-influenced Harad fighting alongside Sauron's army, as well as the slant eyed orcs which Tolkien confirmed in Letter 210. :P One of the monsters on the Persian side shown in the primary commercial even looks like a cave troll from the LOTR movies.

I wish my grandfather had told me more Persian ninja stories ...

There is no question that the allies of Sauron were swarthy heathen. This never bothered me much since they were not the major subject of the book. LOTR always read more like a travel log of a real place to me. Where you travel through a series of fallen and corrupted societies that are no longer capable of watching for and guarding against the darkness.

[ghostdancer]

re persian ninjas

is the original poster talking about "Hashshashin" try and google it for an explanation

also pls lets not get into a history v hollywood debate pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese or games v reality

[taganahan]

LOL! i was just making fun of it. they really looked like ninjas. i swear, if they didn't have their beards i'll be convinced they were one. anywho, i just think the movie drowned in too much cg and fx.

~taganahan

[Kyung]

I haven't watched it. My friend has. He said it wasn't too good.
And I read now that it has CG and FX in it....I don't think this movie really required CG in my opinion...I think now CG makes a movie cheap because they're so distinctly fake. To this date, the best CG movie for me was Jurassic Park. That T-Rex chasing jeep didn't look like CG at all.

[Aries]

I hope they didn't CG the bodies... because.. mmmmmmmmm

... I did, however, leave the movie thinking I really needed to hit the gym.

[Kenshi]

I think the movie looks fab... cant wait till it comes out over here.

Mind you im a born and bread Scotsman (like the lead actor) with a father from modern day Sparta... so im bias!

[JSchmidt]

I haven't watched it. My friend has. He said it wasn't too good.
And I read now that it has CG and FX in it....I don't think this movie really required CG in my opinion...I think now CG makes a movie cheap because they're so distinctly fake. To this date, the best CG movie for me was Jurassic Park. That T-Rex chasing jeep didn't look like CG at all.

Name a list of movies you have seen recently and I'm almost certain that they will have contained CG that you never noticed.

[Nokori 3byo]

Name a list of movies you have seen recently and I'm almost certain that they will have contained CG that you never noticed.

That's just it, though. CG is at its best when it's invisible, a la Children of Men. One of the major stylistic and technical accomplishments of that film was that it blended computer graphics seemlessly into conventionally filmed sequences. With 300, on the other hand, ninety-nine percent of the stuff on the screen looks faker than Pamela Anderson's...tan.

[Halcyon]

That's just it, though. CG is at its best when it's invisible, a la Children of Men. One of the major stylistic and technical accomplishments of that film was that it blended computer graphics seemlessly into conventionally filmed sequences. With 300, on the other hand, ninety-nine percent of the stuff on the screen looks faker than Pamela Anderson's...tan.
That's because movies like Children of Men (or Gladiator -- massive amounts of CG) are trying to make it invisible. Movies like 300 or Sin City are deliberately emphasizing hyper-reality to reflect their graphic novel roots. If it's not your cup of tea, that's fine. But that's different from saying it's inferior from a stylistic or technical standpoint.

[Nokori 3byo]

Well, yes. It's true the artistic aims of the films are different. It's true that comparing Sin City and CoM would be like comparing apples and bowling balls. It's true that hyperrealistic visuals provided the one redeeming element in the otherwise idiotic Sin City (I hated the comic as well, with all of it's sub-adolescent psycho-drama). Does all of this ultimately make it unreasonable for me to say that what one film was a more successful implementation of one approach than another film was of a different approach? No, it doesn't.

[JSchmidt]

I think your problem is more with the style rather than the actual technical execution of the effects?.
FWIW, it's what I do for a living and the company that I work for, did the majority of the effects work on CoM. We got as far as to the Oscar bake-off with it.

[Nokori 3byo]

Point taken.

FWIW, you should have won.

[JSchmidt]

FWIW, you should have won.

Nope, I knew the moment I saw Pirates2 that it would win. While there was the odd dodgy shot, the work was amazing. Nice to see ILM back.

[Halcyon]

It's true that hyperrealistic visuals provided the one redeeming element in the otherwise idiotic Sin City (I hated the comic as well, with all of it's sub-adolescent psycho-drama). Does all of this ultimately make it unreasonable for me to say that what one film was a more successful implementation of one approach than another film was of a different approach? No, it doesn't.
I also thought Sin City was crap. And you can say the medium of expression did not suit the final product, but I don't think you can say the medium in and of itself is inferior.

[kartoffelngeist]

This is totally off topic, but that's never bothered me before...and it is vaguely film related

I was watching Fight Club last night with my flatmates, and at one of the bits when they're showing people at work covered in cuts and bruises, one of my flatmates said "do you think people actually do that, go to clubs where they beat each other up?". I just rolled up my sleeve and showed her all my kote bruises. 'Nuff said...

Well it made me titter...

[Nokori 3byo]

but I don't think you can say the medium in and of itself is inferior.

Well, that's not exactly what I meant to say. If by "medium" you mean an approach to film-making as a visual art (or simply to visual effects), I'd have to admit you have a point. Return of the King, for example, made lavish and highly visible use of CG and still managed to be a respectable film.

Genre is a more complicated issue. Why is it that, while comic book addaptations are sometimes good, video game addaptations are never good? Is it simply that comic books, as a narrative medium, lend themselves much better to film treatment. Maybe some types of creative endevour really are superior to others after all. (Prove me wrong, Peter Jackson!)

[Kyung]

Name a list of movies you have seen recently and I'm almost certain that they will have contained CG that you never noticed.

That's part of the reasons I don't like going to the movies.

A Beautiful Mind

That one didn't seem to have CG in it that was any big.

[mingshi]

Iran accuses Hollywood of 'psychological warfare' (http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2033630,00.html)

I would watch it just because of Miller and the nice abs... Now that it gets political - it will officially be a must-see for my weekend!!

[SmellsLikeBogu]

Nope, I knew the moment I saw Pirates2 that it would win. While there was the odd dodgy shot, the work was amazing. Nice to see ILM back.
for people who know modeling and CGI, the head models were done in Z-brush, its just like virtual sculpting :) if you have a wacom, I can recommend it, its pretty cheap and well worth its dough

[Dervish]

Iran accuses Hollywood of 'psychological warfare' (http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2033630,00.html)

I would watch it just because of Miller and the nice abs... Now that it gets political - it will officially be a must-see for my weekend!!

And yet, I could easily see half the registered voters of the USA shouting "FOR SPARTA!" in unison if Bush ever declares war on Iran. I also wouldn't be surprised if they imagined the leader of Iran to be 10 foot tall mutant with body piercings. :p

[Kenzan]

I also wouldn't be surprised if they imagined the leader of Iran to be 10 foot tall mutant with body piercings. :p

Huh? You mean he isn't??
:scared:

[Jon Palombi]

I hope you killed them.

Still, you've got to admit...the idiots make the rest of us look good.

[MrChow]

Anyone who's read Frank Millers work, ie: Batman (early 90's), Sin City, 300 on paper will understand why the film adaptations needed to have heavily obvious CGI.

His style is very dark and sombre, not everyones cup of tea but thats how it is.

[Spendius]

Silly, but quite funny:

http://codamon.com/2007/05/300-spartans-on-a-plane/

[Andoru]

Anyone who's read Frank Millers work, ie: Batman (early 90's), Sin City, 300 on paper will understand why the film adaptations needed to have heavily obvious CGI.

His style is very dark and sombre, not everyones cup of tea but thats how it is.

I've read his picture novel (1 chaper of Sin City) and you're right - it's very dark. I like how the movie is done though. The addition of colours for effect works really well I reckon.

[JSchmidt]

That's part of the reasons I don't like going to the movies.

A Beautiful Mind

That one didn't seem to have CG in it that was any big.


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