Personality in this Kendo forum

[kawa]

I like to see the personality in this Kendo forum, when you guys are under these situations.

1. You have no idea the rank of your opponent
2. In tournament
3. Guest from other dojo

Now assuming he/she got a very nice Ippon on you, and later you found out the person is only shodan or below. To reflect what just happen. You think because of….

[TKO]

If you take your keiko serously… Shinai = katana? And the person “got a very nice Ippon on you on you”. I guess all you can do is die? So I guess you must accepted it. I pick 1,2 and 4. But I think 4 out weight 1 and 2.
Dead man can’t challenge his opponent anymore! Take every single keiko as if is your last!

[Neil Gendzwill]

I think like any defeat you think a bit about what went wrong and what you can do to improve and then move on. This happened to me last summer in fact. It actually wasn't a nice point, more just a quick kote but it happened because my head just wasn't in the game. If you're daydreaming in shiai you're going to get clocked no matter what the level difference...

[Flashman]

4 ways to get waxed (or to prevail) in keiko:

1. Physical conditioning.
2. Technique
3. Tactics
4. Mental state

Anytime I get beat I always review all four elements and try to determine where I was remiss.

[mingshi]

Now assuming he/she got a very nice Ippon on you, and later you found out the person is only shodan or below.

Some minor flaws of your proposition:-

A. Just one very nice Ippon? Or you mean generally better performance?

B. A lot of people voting here are actually Shodan or below...

C. In local taikai you've probably know your opponent's kendo before you fight him/her just by watching. So... nothing surprising. In fact this can extend into --You can tell how good your opponent is just by observation.

D. Shiai is slightly different from jikeiko, IMHO, especially when you mentioned "a very nice Ippon". For example... A nice Ippon to whom? You, your opponent, or the referees? In Shiai you can only take 2 nice Ippon, while in jikeiko... as much as you like. I guess both situation cannot be mixed up in this way.

E. What does this have to do with personality?

p.s. I voted for "Can’t wait to keiko with the person again". That's my style: Thou shalt not lose to the same person twice. Hehehe. :glasses:

[samurai999]

I keep thinking of this song nowadays in tough situations.. I hope I got the lyrics right.. I forgot which band sung this.

"Back off i'll take u on.. Headstrong to take on anyone."

As u can see, I usually don't think of it much. If I start to think about something, I overdo it and I lose my edge in kendo. You get too mental.. I'll save that for school. :D

Tim

[kendomushi]

None of those choices quite seem to fit for me. If someone beats you, they beat you. Its done. Fortunately though, since we aren't using real swords, we have and should take the opportunity to analyze what we and the opponent did. With a goal of learning to be better next time around. Kendo is as much a contest with yourself as it is a contest with the opponent.

[Karaken]

Think of shinken shobu. When one mentions strength vs. skill vs. mental, I used to think, hey what does strength has to do anything with one on one shobu? But it has evrything to do everything. In fact, in a shinken shobu, if you don't care about your own safety, your chances against stronger opponent improves a lot. Ah ha, I guess that's why my sensei was keep saying "Attack & Attack - don't worry about being hit"

Yes, if you're being careful not to be hit, your fearless opponent will have an edge on you. Yes, ippon is ippon, especially good one.
There always is a lot to learn from a nice ippon.

Center

[kawa]

Some minor flaws of your proposition:-

A. Just one very nice Ippon? Or you mean generally better performance?

B. A lot of people voting here are actually Shodan or below...

C. In local taikai you've probably know your opponent's kendo before you fight him/her just by watching. So... nothing surprising. In fact this can extend into --You can tell how good your opponent is just by observation.

D. Shiai is slightly different from jikeiko, IMHO, especially when you mentioned "a very nice Ippon". For example... A nice Ippon to whom? You, your opponent, or the referees? In Shiai you can only take 2 nice Ippon, while in jikeiko... as much as you like. I guess both situation cannot be mixed up in this way.

E. What does this have to do with personality?

p.s. I voted for "Can’t wait to keiko with the person again". That's my style: Thou shalt not lose to the same person twice. Hehehe. :glasses:

A. Just one very nice Ippon? Or you mean generally better performance?

Nice meaning only you know you been beaten.

B. A lot of people voting here are actually Shodan or below...

Hum…. Than I must assume most voter here will in favor of “Can’t wait to keiko with the person again”. As wining (in sport) is much more important than “Hum..THANKS for the nice hit; I learn something from you today. If we meet again that’s good, if not I will always remember my moment of weakness.

C. In local taikai you've probably know your opponent's kendo before you fight him/her just by watching. So... nothing surprising. In fact this can extend into --You can tell how good your opponent is just by observation.

Yeap, you are right. I guess I should of left out tournament time. I myself spent way too much time watching tournament tapes. Personally I think watching video is for entertainment purpose only. Video only tells you the person’s kendo during that time frame. You have no idea what he does years before he/she enters the Taikai, and what he does after he win/loose. It doesn’t tell you compete story of that person kendo. Kendo is between two people, and only those two can feel what is going on. Good judge should always put themselves into competitors’s state of mind. I think that what separate good judges from mediocre judges.

D. Shiai is slightly different from jikeiko, IMHO, especially when you mentioned "a very nice Ippon". For example... A nice Ippon to whom? You, your opponent, or the referees? In Shiai you can only take 2 nice Ippon, while in jikeiko... as much as you like. I guess both situation cannot be mixed up in this way.

Hum…see answer C: hehe…. Good ippon between you and your opponent.

E. What does this have to do with personality?

I think it have everything to do with the person’s kendo maturity. First of all I’m not judging anyone here. But I have feeling that most beginners will most likely wanted rematch, or think the person’s skill is better or he got sight out (perfectly normally feeling). While others will feel thankful to have someone pointing out his or her weakness.

I’ve also voted for “Can’t wait to keiko with the person again” :ditsy: . I have to learn to feel “Ah…thanks!” at the moment of getting hit, rather than ‘Dame it!” while you know how that goes…

By the way, congratulation on your promotion!!

[John W]

I was 1st Kyu and I was defeated by a 5th Kyu in a Kyu grade shiai. I thought well now that it is over I can do two things...

1. Be bitter about it and analyse everything that went wrong and tell myself not to do it again and be bitter about it some more.

2. Swallow my pride approach the victor, shake his hand and say great bout well done! Then correct my mistakes and try not to do it again.

I did no. 2 and it made me feel heaps better about myself actually- I think my kendo went up a few levels (or matured) because I simply humbled myself and let go of my ego. The 5th Kyu proceeded through the shiai and I think he got 3rd place.

I think if you get over yourself first it makes shiai a lot easier and not so daunting.

[Old Warrior]

"I did no. 2 and it made me feel heaps better about myself actually"

Good for you. Never let the world know what is on your mind, all the time. If there is is something to be learned (and there is) - remember for next time. Better the world should you know you as a gentleperson with class. There is no point in any other public reaction.

[Jarlaxle]

Even a 6th kyu can defeat a shodan in shiai.Depends with skill and how long has he/she been training...grade is not mean much

[Shazzanzzz]

When some one get a point on you during keiko, that means he just exposed a weakness of yours. So, you should thank them for doing that, and try not to get hit the same way again.

[Rawoo]

My dream is achieve a constant mind state in any situation
to allow me to make rational decisions at all time
however I think this is extremely hard to achieve
after all we are all humans

[Miravil]

I don't do much of shiai in my dojo, so it is hard for me to say anything. Most of the time I practice keiko, but almost all of my opponent are my senior. However, when I lost to someone with a nice Ippon I always think back what went wrong? (come to think of it, I always lost.... :down: ) Still, I can't wait to practice somemore, with or without the same person... :silly:

[etherknot]

I don't think. Ippon? Bah! Well I'm already working on my next great cut...


Save it for your closing moksou. Discuss with your opponent afterwards (no doubt if it was truly beautiful you will talk about it for a long time). :)

[MaxHanzo]

My vote was "Difference in mental power between you and the opponent".
I wouldn't say mental power, but, Ki. For me, Ki is much more complex than mental power.

And, I agree with someone who said that a shodan can be beaten by someone with low kyu. This happens a lot in taikais in my country, at the category "Shodan and Below". Sometimes, we(shodan) are beaten by people who doesn't even have ikkyu, but have 10 years or more time of practice. Or, we(shodan) meet an ikkyu, and fight with the "I have already won" spirit and lose.

Also, I agree with the one who have stated the A B C D arguments, specially with the difference between jigeiko(jugeiko) and shiai(taikai). In jugeiko we don't have 3 shinpan watching our shobu, in other words, 3 skilled people who know kendo better than the ones who're fighting or at least have the same level(in the case of nanadan and above).

Sorry for not quoting anyone, it just too hard to make multiple quotations!


Cheers,

Max

[A P]

To lose a battle and to reflex on it equal a lesson.

A lesson of you.(your weakness)

I believe that everyone learn more from losing than winning as long as you

give it some thought of why you lost or what did you do right to make you

win.

After any match is over, reflex on yourslef of why you win or lose.