Point scroing scenes in south eastern regional match in Korea

[minniya]

This is the the point scoring scenes collection in the south eastern regional match in Korea.

Personnally I don't like that noisy music, but certainly it's exciting to watch.


http://flvs.daum.net/flvPlayer.swf?vid=Xibd7zWYPIE$

[shred_lord]

Very nice, I may post that on my dojo website. :)

[Ignatz]

Very nice. I liked the tsuki. "No? Didn't like that. Try some of this."

[Charlie]

Great clip. A lot of those folks seem to have a very close uchi-ma.

[tgsfg]

Great clip. A lot of those folks seem to have a very close uchi-ma.

Can you explain what an uchi-ma is? I couldn't find it in one of those Japanese-Korean terminology pages.

[lucy]

Great vid. Around 2:40/2:45 someone got a huge bruise on the back of his head... And the tsuki is awesome. :D


tgsfg: AFAIK that is the unique distance you have to your opponent when you are ready to attack... Bad description, may well be wrong. Enlighten us! :wink:

[Halcyon]

tgsfg: AFAIK that is the unique distance you have to your opponent when you are ready to attack... Bad description, may well be wrong. Enlighten us! :wink:
That's correct. It's your own optimum striking distance. And yes, I agree with Charlie. They have pretty close uchi-ma. Could be that it's an older crowd. Could be it's just a shiai thing. There are a couple of points that IMO lacked zanshin. But nice clip.

[Big One]

One of the point, Men, was a doubt. When the guy hit men and other had his shinai at the center, then the winner turn around and zanshin with his back toward the loser. I don't think that point should be count.

[Charlie]

I have often found that some very good shiai players have close uchi-ma. FWIW, I'm sure the opposite is true, too, but I am just saying I have found that some people I associate with good shiai skills play close and have a lot of wrist action.

[Gessho]

This is the the point scoring scenes collection in the south eastern regional match in Korea.

Personnally I don't like that noisy music, but certainly it's exciting to watch.


http://flvs.daum.net/flvPlayer.swf?vid=Xibd7zWYPIE$

There is no ki-ken-tai-ichi. My Jedi powers of The Force detect the presence of....kumdo....

[Kenshi]

There is no ki-ken-tai-ichi. My Jedi powers of The Force detect the presence of....kumdo....

Your jedi-powers have obviously weakened with age. Remove the korean alphabet from the zekken, stripes from the hakama, and replace the blue flag with red and you would be unable to tell if it was in Korea or Japan.

I regularly go to shiai here and compete in a few as well, so Im going confidently label myself a "qualified commentator."

The only strange thing in the whole thing was one guy hitting men and then turning his back on his opponent. Thats the 1st time ive seen that. But even then, thats more than likely a personal thing. Why he got the point is beyond me.


I have often found that some very good shiai players have close uchi-ma.

I would tend to agree.

[ahmed61086]

I have often found that some very good shiai players have close uchi-ma. FWIW, I'm sure the opposite is true, too, but I am just saying I have found that some people I associate with good shiai skills play close and have a lot of wrist action.

Actually, coming from a Kumdo background, I can tell you that a lot of Kumdo has a "short sword style" (:nervous: ). No, but seriously, if you watch a lot of kumdo, you will notice that kumdo players enjoy the one-step distance. They enjoy fighting from the "trigger pull" distance, where once you get the opening you just go. I have recently been trying to change my style to a farther distance and learn how to get in from there.

Im not saying all Kumdo players are like this, but I have definitly noticed a trend, compared to Kendo players.

Also, about the zanshin, Kumdo zanshin also has its own style, compared to Kendo. As you have probably seen from the video.

[ahmed61086]

...unable to tell if it was in Korea or Japan.




You don't even notice a small difference? Im not saying one style is better than the other, but I still think I see some small differences in style.

[tgsfg]

tgsfg: AFAIK that is the unique distance you have to your opponent when you are ready to attack... Bad description, may well be wrong. Enlighten us! :wink:

Thank you, in Korean, our sensei has taught us that uchi ma is: il jok il do. It stands for "one sword, one step." I'm not sure if it's exactly the samething, but it seems to be the closest. The distance in which you feel comfortable to attack in a single step and sword.


You don't even notice a small difference? Im not saying one style is better than the other, but I still think I see some small differences in style.
Personality. My sensei once said, "This is how our dojang does murri (men), it's different from any other dojangs. It may look the same, but if you watch carefully, we're all different."

[tgsfg]

There is no ki-ken-tai-ichi. My Jedi powers of The Force detect the presence of....kumdo....

kumdo is kendo... No offense, but the Force is obviously not strong within you.





The only strange thing in the whole thing was one guy hitting men and then turning his back on his opponent. Thats the 1st time ive seen that. But even then, thats more than likely a personal thing. Why he got the point is beyond me.

I've seen something like that happen, it usually happens when it's kote though. One guy at the USKU tournament, would constantly spin after hitting a perfect kote. The first time, the shimpans seemed to reluctantly give the point. The next 3, 4 times (again a perfect hit, but with the spin added) no points were awarded. The guy hit kote like a demon, but was rewarded none but one because he spun and turned his back to the opponent.

[Kenshi]

You don't even notice a small difference? Im not saying one style is better than the other, but I still think I see some small differences in style.

Looks like kendo to me.

[ZtefaNNN[K]]

it looks different to me, some may call it details but I don´t share that.

[ahmed61086]

Looks like kendo to me.

I dont disagree.

[lucy]

Thank you, in Korean, our sensei has taught us that uchi ma is: il jok il do. It stands for "one sword, one step." I'm not sure if it's exactly the samething, but it seems to be the closest. The distance in which you feel comfortable to attack in a single step and sword.


That's issoku itto no maai in Japanese, exactly the same translation. Let someone else explain the difference, I think there is one... :nervous:

[Kenshi]

That's issoku itto no maai in Japanese, exactly the same translation. Let someone else explain the difference, I think there is one... :nervous:

Theres probably no difference.

[lucy]

Theres probably no difference.

Oh well, that's why I put the ":nervous:"... No idea. :happy:

[Kenshi]

Oh well, that's why I put the ":nervous:"... No idea. :happy:

which is the same reason as i wrote "probably"... ie its the same shit.

[slidercrank]

So issoku itto no maai = uchima?

[Charlie]

I think issoku itto maai is "one step" maai and uchi-ma is "your prefered maai, the maai at which you can attack in one step." Very similar, slightly different, sometimes used interchangeably.

[Karaken]

I think issoku itto maai is "one step" maai and uchi-ma is "your prefered maai, the maai at which you can attack in one step." Very similar, slightly different, sometimes used interchangeably.

Per your description, it shouldn't be used interchangeably. Issoku itto maai should be similar distance for everyone using same size shinai. Uchi ma can be very different based on style, country or circumstances ( 8 dan torny vs. Junior etc.. )

[Gessho]

Your jedi-powers have obviously weakened with age. Remove the korean alphabet from the zekken, stripes from the hakama, and replace the blue flag with red and you would be unable to tell if it was in Korea or Japan.

I regularly go to shiai here and compete in a few as well, so Im going confidently label myself a "qualified commentator.".

Then I humbly apologise. I blame it all on my dedication to the Dark Side.

All kidding aside (though the apology was sincere), my sensei's have expressed the opinion to us that kumdo focuses more on winning sport techniques and less on "traditional kendo;" hence my smart-alecky little comment.

[ahmed61086]

Per your description, it shouldn't be used interchangeably. Issoku itto maai should be similar distance for everyone using same size shinai. Uchi ma can be very different based on style, country or circumstances ( 8 dan torny vs. Junior etc.. )

My sensies tell me that my Uchi ma should be tip-to-tip, since I am tall, but its hurst so much to hit sashi men from out there. But im working on it! :ko:

[Neil Gendzwill]

Per your description, it shouldn't be used interchangeably. Issoku itto maai should be similar distance for everyone using same size shinai. Uchi ma can be very different based on style, country or circumstances ( 8 dan torny vs. Junior etc.. )No. Issoku itto maai is the distance at which you, personally, can hit in one step. We encourage this as uchi ma for beginners, so maybe this is where some interchangability (is that a word?) comes in. Yokoto maai is tips just crossed (yokoto line on swords touching) and is often confused with issoku itto maai (myself included until recently).

Ahmed, if you are tall and can't hit in one step from that maai you are probably not taking a big enough step. I'm about 6' and getting kind of creaky and I can hit from outside tip-to-tip maai.

[michaelm]

Sincerely asking here...
So, using the definition of "preferred distance", a person's uchi-maai can be any of the three: chikai-no-maai, issoku-itto-no-maai, or touku-no-maai?

[ahmed61086]

Ahmed, if you are tall and can't hit in one step from that maai you are probably not taking a big enough step. I'm about 6' and getting kind of creaky and I can hit from outside tip-to-tip maai.


Your definitly right, because I do it back in my realy early days, I just need to practice realy hard on my basics again. So that my body can reach that distance without any pain. Im also 6 foot, I think its just stupid of me to have made such a bad habit of fighting from that close maai.

[tgsfg]

Your definitly right, because I do it back in my realy early days, I just need to practice realy hard on my basics again. So that my body can reach that distance without any pain. Im also 6 foot, I think its just stupid of me to have made such a bad habit of fighting from that close maai.

I'm 5'6'' and my sensei is trying to hit my 6' sempai from "tip to tip" distance.