Changing clothes

[Bailee]

So...How do you folks handle it when a room full of men (including visiting sensei) just starting changing? Our little band of women feel out of place, like they are forcing us to leave or just making us feel plain akward (sorry!).

Is this something that doesn't bother the men? Or do they assume that since the women are in the minority we should leave? I mean we're talking 4 gals to 50+ men.

Just wondering what everyone's thoughts were...

[Alison2805]

Im sure they arent forcing you to leave, they are probably hoping youll follow suit and strip! :D Its quite normal for all the guys to get dressed out in the open. One of the girls here does the same thing and noone bats an eyelid.

Theres something extremely hilarious about guys putting on hakama and THEN taking off their undies.

I personally get changed in the bathroom. Gotta keep some mystery! :tongue:

[Gessho]

So...How do you folks handle it when a room full of men (including visiting sensei) just starting changing? Our little band of women feel out of place, like they are forcing us to leave or just making us feel plain akward (sorry!).

Is this something that doesn't bother the men? Or do they assume that since the women are in the minority we should leave? I mean we're talking 4 gals to 50+ men.

Just wondering what everyone's thoughts were...

It happens at my dojo but the guys who do change on the floor hide behind a pile of mats. We have kids there so everyone is pretty sensitive but I will say that men, in general, are comfortable getting naked.

I for one come with running shorts on under my sweat pants so when I drop my pants to put on my hakama there is no risk of a wholesale shrieking exodus! :nervous:

[xvikingx]

Is it really such a big problem? They are simply changing. Don’t make this into a guys vs. the-girl-minority issue. How about not looking if you are too immature to handle people changing clothes.

[Bailee]

Is it really such a big problem? They are simply changing. Don’t make this into a guys vs. the-girl-minority issue. How about not looking if you are too immature to handle people changing clothes.

I just wanted to know what you thought. We weren't asked to leave, but after we did, we were asked why we hadn't left sooner.

It's not a maturity issue, it was just a question about unspoken communication or assumed courtesies.

[xvikingx]

Well I told you what I thought. It seemed like a maturity issue to me because you wrote about feeling awkward and questioned whether they were trying to force you out or not.
It’s quite common for people to change and clean up their kit in the dojo. Why? Lots of room to fold up your kit. I personally would rather not change in front of woman and children (freedom-kendo all the way baby), so I go off to a less conspicuous spot but I do change in the dojo.
I think I'm not fully understanding the situation. They don't ask you to leave but when you do they ask why you don't leave sooner? I don't know what your dojo is like but I assume the ladies change somewhere else. Is everyone just standing around talking after practice? Maybe they want to change and close up the hall.

[Bailee]

That's cool. Was just looking for opinions.

Now freedom-kendo....never heard it called that :grin:

[xvikingx]

So what exactly is the situation? You finish practice, everyone chats, the guys start changing and surly?
Now freedom-kendo....never heard it called that :grin:
That's because it's usually called indecent exposure. It's the only way to go!

BTW Do you know someone named Elizabeth Foot (Foote? I could mistaken altogether on the last name)

[Bailee]

Yep!

She trains with us when she's not taking a semester in Japan

[Bailee]

It was a special training seminar at a gym, not the dojo. I just think that nobody knew where to change and fold.

[xvikingx]

Yeah she trains at the same dojo as me!

EDIT: In Japan that is

[Bailee]

That's cool, we miss her here!

[xvikingx]

To be honest we are members of the same dojo but I have only seen her twice. I guess she trains on the days I can't. She seems well though.

[KhawMengLee]

Yeah she trains at the same dojo as me!

EDIT: In Japan that is

Oooooo! another one to join our merry adventure to the 100yen beer curry house?

[xvikingx]

Oooooo! another one to join our merry adventure to the 100yen beer curry house?

Menger!!! When are you coming back? If my wife and I can't make it out to Boston this year I think I'm going to head over to KL.

[KhawMengLee]

Menger!!! When are you coming back? If my wife and I can't make it out to Boston this year I think I'm going to head over to KL.

Tentatively Donny and I are planning a trip around the same time as last year. So October it is!

Ooo...tell me when you plan to visit and I'll take you and your missus around.

[xvikingx]

Yeah baby. You must come to the dojo this time and get what’s coming to you. KL is still up in the air but my plans to travel back to the States always seem to fall through, so it’s a good possibility. If not this year, definitely next year.

[ahmed61086]

Hmmmm, I think its realy a matter of, men dont care where they change, and women do care where(who they change in front of) they change.

I have not met many women who would just start getting changed infront of the Men. But I have seen many men get changed infront of the women, because there is not much to expose. All you migt get to see is some leg and chest, none of the private parts, while many consider all the parts of the women to be "private". And I agree! I would feel uncomfortable if a women was changing infront of everyone in the Dojo. I usually see the women go to a private room to change.

I might not be making much sense, but what the hell.

[yoda-waza]

I guess decorum is not a custom in kendo reigi.

[SmellsLikeBogu]

guys usually dont care :) our club doesnt. girls can go in a sepperate room if they feel like it, doesnt matter to us.

about them asking why you didnt leave sooner, they are just fishing for compliments "because we love looking at your muscular physique!"

:p

there is no need for you to feel unconfortable. just ignore it :)

btw I didnt know it was possible to take of your undies with your hakama on? I usually do it after I put on gi, before putting hakama on. gi covers most of it :p exposure is minimal and you'd really have to look closely to catch a glimps :)

[Alison2805]

btw I didnt know it was possible to take of your undies with your hakama on? I usually do it after I put on gi, before putting hakama on. gi covers most of it :p exposure is minimal and you'd really have to look closely to catch a glimps :)

If you can put up with everyone laughin at you, try it! One of the guys here can do it in 15 seconds flat. He seems to pull one leg up like a stork, fish around, then do the same with the other leg. Kinda like that walk-off in Zoolander.

[SmellsLikeBogu]

I do not want to emphasize my reputation as a stumbling-falling-over kinda guy :p my first shiai I went rolling over the floor for all of belgian kendoka to see :) Ill try in private first :) then impress all the ladies with my newly found skills :p

[bullet08]

in our dojo, most women go to locker room to change. you guys should visit highland games. ton of women changing their dresses in the middle of the field, and doesn't care if there's anyone around to look at them. they have to be at the platform for the dance contest, and don't have time to look for places to change dresses between the competition. then again, most men wear kilt.. and kilt is much easier to put on then hakama.

pete

[Lone Kitten]

heck - we have to pass thru the men's changing rooms to get from the dojo to the women's changing rooms... usually we don't care. Just yell "make yourselves decent" or someone goes "Oh hi laura!" really loud so any guys who are (*ahem) body conscious can cover their bits!

To be honest we dont really care. I get changed in there with them most of the time, i turn up wearing sports bra and very short cycling short type things under my normal clothes and i shower at home. the guys are gents and look the other way and the girls dont make a big thing of it.

you guys should visit highland games. ton of women changing their dresses in the middle of the field
and try historical re-enacting. I dress as a bloke on the field and a girl in camp, i change in the middle of camp because that's where it's easiest (try putting a full chemise, corset, stays, and four skirts on in a tent!) - although that's a situation where you're more likely to get grabbed in a "I got me a saucy wench, want to share?" kind of way!!

[pgsmith]

I guess decorum is not a custom in kendo reigi.
I guess your idea of decorum is not a custom in kendo reigi. Everyone has to remember that this is a Japanese art, and the Japanese are much less body concious than most of the western nations tend to be. First time I was in Japan, I got in on a few iaido practices at a little tiny dojo in Kawasaki. Was wondering where to go change when everyone else just began changing where they were. Not sure if I was more embarrassed about the 60 something fellow with the hearts on his boxers, or his 60 something wife with the hello kitty panties! :) By the third practice, I didn't even think about it. Because they didn't notice, I found that I didn't notice either.

Just my two cents.

[Kenzan]

You "freedom-Commando" Kendo folk are wilder and crazier than I'll ever be...
:D

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k165/kenzan_kendoka/wild_and_crazy_guys.jpg

[rottunpunk]

So...How do you folks handle it when a room full of men (including visiting sensei) just starting changing? Our little band of women feel out of place, like they are forcing us to leave or just making us feel plain akward (sorry!).

Is this something that doesn't bother the men? Or do they assume that since the women are in the minority we should leave? I mean we're talking 4 gals to 50+ men.

Just wondering what everyone's thoughts were...
its the norm for the minority of wimmin (usualy the numbers just being 1 in iai, i.e me) to change elsewhere
this is after changing in the same room as blokes when i was a kid at judo.
i figured iai training sessions would be the same but got advised to use the ladies loo instead :confused:

if you change into keikogi first, then take off trousers, noone can see your knickers-geniousness
:p

[pgsmith]

if you change into keikogi first, then take off trousers, noone can see your knickers-geniousness
Sure, take all the fun out of it party-pooper! :D

[Bokushingu]

we have women in our club that are present when we change. but everyone is pretty mature about it. By the time we are done we have very little time: we need to change and get out of there and lock up the place.

[kartoffelngeist]

We have to get changed in the toilets anyway, so it's not really a problem for us...

Some of the looks we get from people coming into the toilets can be quite amusing though.

[BluishHue]

I think Bailee was asking a mature question, and I think she was saying that these people were not wearing underclothes with hearts OR hello kitty :) She was asking the other girls here if it bothered them and how they felt about it, not that she thought it should be outlawed or how horrible it was. It sounds as if it was a large training and that at her home dojo people are more private. I also see how she was wondering if it was a "your just a girl and shouldn't be here practicing kendo anyway" attitude because i have heard it myself in the past.

I know where I practice if a guy does change in the public areas they are mostly always hidden or do it with some modesty. If some guy was changing and flashing me his winky I might be feeling a little icky (we gurls know you guys treasure your prize and presents but USUALLY we don't unless it is OUR prize!)

Yes it is a Japanese sport and you all say "no biggie they don't care if they are without clothes in public", but somehow I don't see a group of Japanese women kendoists getting nude on the floor while changing in front of all--however i am NOT Japanese and am the farthest person in the world to be an expert on Japanese culture. But I do know that in my small and limited world it is not the norm to be naked in front of a group of strangers unless it is a strip club and you are getting paid to be there OR it is prison and you have to hope you don't drop the soap...

I believe (Bailee let me know if I am wrong) that she was asking a cultural question from more experienced folks because she is not exactly in the midst of a huge Japanese community (Wyoming) and did not know how to act appropriately.

Sorry Bailee, I guess you should be asking more mature questions so these guys have more serious things to discuss like ninjas and pirates.

[Paikea]

I guess you should be asking more mature questions so these guys have more serious things to discuss like ninjas and pirates.Not when there are questions of decorum, knickers and geniousness to be settled.

[Anime12478]

I just go to the bathroom or locker room to change for obvious reasons :). While the club consists of only men (most of the time), since the room is immediately given to the people after us, it's kinda weird to do that all of the sudden to people unfamiliar with me or the club members.

[Oroshi]

Yes it is a Japanese sport and you all say "no biggie they don't care if they are without clothes in public", but somehow I don't see a group of Japanese women kendoists getting nude on the floor while changing in front of all--however i am NOT Japanese and am the farthest person in the world to be an expert on Japanese culture.
When I did keiko in Japan women and men always changed in separate areas, although there was an emphasis on women going away to change in privacy whilst men just got on with changing where they were (even if women were still present).

I think the level of body consciousness in Japan is heavily dependent on where you are in the country, the age of the people in question and your relationship to them. It's a lot more up-tight in some ways than many people realise, but in others it's so lax it can feel like a different country.

[Bokushingu]

I think Bailee was asking a mature question, and I think she was saying that these people were not wearing underclothes with hearts OR hello kitty :) She was asking the other girls here if it bothered them and how they felt about it, not that she thought it should be outlawed or how horrible it was. It sounds as if it was a large training and that at her home dojo people are more private. I also see how she was wondering if it was a "your just a girl and shouldn't be here practicing kendo anyway" attitude because i have heard it myself in the past.

I know where I practice if a guy does change in the public areas they are mostly always hidden or do it with some modesty. If some guy was changing and flashing me his winky I might be feeling a little icky (we gurls know you guys treasure your prize and presents but USUALLY we don't unless it is OUR prize!)

Yes it is a Japanese sport and you all say "no biggie they don't care if they are without clothes in public", but somehow I don't see a group of Japanese women kendoists getting nude on the floor while changing in front of all--however i am NOT Japanese and am the farthest person in the world to be an expert on Japanese culture. But I do know that in my small and limited world it is not the norm to be naked in front of a group of strangers unless it is a strip club and you are getting paid to be there OR it is prison and you have to hope you don't drop the soap...

I believe (Bailee let me know if I am wrong) that she was asking a cultural question from more experienced folks because she is not exactly in the midst of a huge Japanese community (Wyoming) and did not know how to act appropriately.

Sorry Bailee, I guess you should be asking more mature questions so these guys have more serious things to discuss like ninjas and pirates.

I do agree with you about the first & second paragraph. but i believe you made a mistake in judgement of the guys on this tread: they were using a little bit of humor to try to make her feel better & more comfortable--it's kind of a healing thing. i have to admit, i didn't read that they werent wearing underwear; so, i think most guys here didnt also. Sometime on a public internet forum it's better not to be too serious (i myself have learned that recently). Serious tones can be easily misread & misunderstood.

[Bailemor]

I must admit we do not have any women in our club (at the moment, and not for the lack of trying) but i always ensure that if needed there are changing facilities for the fairer sex so that they are not embarressed by the brutish men about.

David

[Nukitsuke]

PGSmith is pretty much right about it I think. Most of the men don't really care and just put down their gear and change once they reach the dojo. There aren't always changing rooms nearby. There is one room that the women use to change in or they come already dressed in their hakama.

Nobody bats an eye basically when we change - it's just the norm.

I'm curious to see if North American dojo culture would be the same...

[stephanie dee]

Pah!!! If there wasn't a seperate area for us ladies to change in at out Dojo, I wouldn't be bothered if I had to change in front of the blokes, and if they were bothered about me being there then that offended person would just have to leave! Or get a grip and stop being such a gimp :)

[Pugtm]

PGSmith is pretty much right about it I think. Most of the men don't really care and just put down their gear and change once they reach the dojo. There aren't always changing rooms nearby. There is one room that the women use to change in or they come already dressed in their hakama.

Nobody bats an eye basically when we change - it's just the norm.

I'm curious to see if North American dojo culture would be the same...
we have a blend of the two. We wait till the women leave and then change or if i need to leave early then i use the restroom or changing rooms. Generally try to be decent about it. Most of the time i change at home and arrive there already in uniform and sometime(when in a hurry)i leave it on till i come home.

[namabiru]

Doesn't really bother me. I choose to not start stripping down right there on the floor, but I'll often leave the changing room door open (in a hallway) so I can join in on the chatter.

Personal choice though.

[male73]

The thread has got me curious to know how women really feel about the subject. If I may ask, what would be acceptable to our lovely sisters of the sword (well, ok, I get carried away -- sisters of the shinai)?

In our case, there's a mixture of several practices with regard to men (or male, to be clear) since we have an amalgamation of different cultures in our Philippine dojo. Most of the japanese senseis change right there in the dojo. Most Pinoy males change inside the comfort room/changing room. Some male Pinoys would come out fully clothed, some without their shirts on, but never without trousers or lower garment or just wearing their briefs or boxers. Kendokas of the female persuasion always change in the comfort room.

Personally, I change inside the comfort room and come out with no shirt on to fold my gear since I'm still sweating and will continue to sweat a lot while fixing my gear. If I put my shirt on immediately after I change and while folding things, my shirt ends up soggy and wet. My question would be, is this acceptable to the fairer sex or would it make our sisters uncomfortable?:confused:

[lucy]

My question would be, is this acceptable to the fairer sex or would it make our sisters uncomfortable?:confused:

As long as nobody runs around stark naked I don't care. Depending on the males I rather appreciate some "shirtlessness" from time to time. :tongue: :D

[Smakfull]

As long as nobody runs around stark naked I don't care.
Yes... About that... I once met a man that was nearly stark naked in our dojo. Except he had his tenugi tied around his... well.

Made me cry from laughing :D

('twas my boyfriend, and he knew it would only be me and a fistful of guys around :) )

[Newbie]

I haven't read the whole thread so I might be reiterating - I always wear sports pants and a singlet under my hakama and gi. I usually put them on before I go to training so I'm wearing them under my clothes - no big deal. That means when I'm getting changed, I'm hardly in my underwear! For some reason I'll often go to the change rooms to get changed before training but can't be stuffed after training and just get changed in the dojo. You'll often see people, guys and girls alike, that'll duck off to the change room to get changed even when most people are getting changed in the dojo itself. Noone pays attention so if that would make you feel more comfortable, don't worry about going into the toilets/changeroom. We've got some guys who are happy to strip down to their jocks in the dojo and girls who are quite happy to strip to their bra to get changed, too. Different levels of modesty for different people. Don't feel like you have to be put into an embarrassing situation if you're not comfortable with it.

[Ignatz]

As long as nobody runs around stark naked I don't care. Depending on the males I rather appreciate some "shirtlessness" from time to time. :tongue: :D

About 35 years too late.;)

[ziggey]

Why does guys stare, stare some more then maybe drool a bit when they see a (half-)naked female?

Why does women laugh, look away and feel embarassed when they get to see a (half-)naked male?

[joekc6nlx]

Why does guys stare, stare some more then maybe drool a bit when they see a (half-)naked female?

Why does women laugh, look away and feel embarassed when they get to see a (half-)naked male?


I can't speak for the women, but we males are hard-wired that way. It's a trait that's been there for thousands of years. It's designed to ensure reproduction. Lust is what it's called in the Bible and other books, but nonetheless, it's still a means of procreation.

Besides, I think a half-naked woman is much more sexy than a fully naked woman - at least, to look at. That's as far as I'm going with this......

[lucy]

About 35 years too late.;)

I wish all men knew when it's too late for running around like that. :)

In our dojo everyone changes in the changing rooms, but as we all have a shower after practise I rather like it that way. :wink:

[Alison2805]

Why does women laugh, look away and feel embarassed when they get to see a (half-)naked male?

They're just better at hiding the fact that they're drooling ;)

[Ignatz]

I wish all men knew when it's too late for running around like that. :)

I'm old so I have to walk.

[Alison2805]

Theres a guy who's pretty famous in my city. A big old guy who cycles down one of the main streets during peak hour with no shirt on all year, rain, hail or shine.

No one would care, except for the fact that he has more body hair than King Kong. He doesnt need a shirt, he's already got a fur coat. And its LONG BLACK hair, all over the shoulders, back, chest, face and butt crack. Its horrific. He's the human version of the Dulux dog.

If there was someone like that running around half-starkers in my dojo Id avert my eyes. Otherwise, I dont care :D

[Ignatz]

some of us are a bit more highly evolved.:cyclops:

[Alison2805]

Thank goodness!!!!

[male73]

So I guess not having a shirt on after practice while fixing your gear especially in a tropical country like ours (Philippines) is understandable if not acceptable. I sincerely hope I haven't offended fellow female kendokas.

[Hisham]

This talk about half-naked..etc reminds me of a story about a court decision in Ontario that based on the principle of equality with men, women should be able to do stuff shirtless as men do like running for instance.

[SmellsLikeBogu]

Why does women laugh, look away and feel embarassed when they get to see a (half-)naked male?

They feel sorry for us. I think that is all :p

[lucy]

This talk about half-naked..etc reminds me of a story about a court decision in Ontario that based on the principle of equality with men, women should be able to do stuff shirtless as men do like running for instance.

Sorry, but that just sounds plain uncomfy... :eek: Could never happen to me. Or do you mean just in shorts and bra? Because I don't see a problem with that anyways. :confused:

[lucy]

They feel sorry for us. I think that is all :p

No, I think Alison hit the nail on the head. :tongue: Though you might be right in some cases. As mentioned before, it all depends on the man in question. :wink:

[shred_lord]

If the guys want to know which they need only look side on in the mirror and compare yourself to this scientific chart. (http://www.zen121745.zen.co.uk/Pityordrool.png)

I'm definitely a Category 1 Male... :D

[SmellsLikeBogu]

I thought a bigger tummy was a good thing in kendo, all the more Hara!

[Hisham]

Sorry, but that just sounds plain uncomfy... :eek: Could never happen to me. Or do you mean just in shorts and bra? Because I don't see a problem with that anyways. :confused:

No it's shirltless as in topless lol. If i remember corectly when this first started, i've read somwhere that the state of NY had already some similar rule.

[male73]

If the guys want to know which they need only look side on in the mirror and compare yourself to this scientific chart. (http://www.zen121745.zen.co.uk/Pityordrool.png)

I'm definitely a Category 1 Male... :D

I'm both depending on these parameters: the proximity of the female species and the length of time I've held my breath.:p

[yoda-waza]

I guess your idea of decorum is not a custom in kendo reigi. Everyone has to remember that this is a Japanese art, and the Japanese are much less body concious than most of the western nations tend to be....Because they didn't notice, I found that I didn't notice either.

You're right, of course. In a country where public bathing is a cultural norm one should expect body-consciousness to differ from western attitudes. What I was alluding to was the irony of kendo reigi: all the decorum of conduct, the painstaking etiquette, the omnipresent consciousness of humble, respectful behavior while dressed, seems peculiarly at odds with a "drop-your-pants-anywhere-hereabouts" prelude and conclusion.

The Japanese have a culturally-developed sense of not noticing something they're not supposed to notice, which I suppose is a necessity of their historically crowded living conditions, but our dojo is not in Japan and is not particularly crowded. While I'm not uncomfortable changing in front of other guys, I am conscious about the comfort level of others, like the siblings and mothers of our younger members who are present in the dojo before, during and after practice. All our adults and teens change their clothes in large restrooms nearby or in the adjoining utility room. The kids usually arrive and leave dressed in keiko-gi. They, their siblings and their mothers are spared moon-viewing and everyones dignity remains intact.

[Smakfull]

In a country where public bathing is a cultural norm...
I never figured that out. I've heard the same thing, but when I was in Japan, every single bath i encountered was strictly female. Are there really public baths?

[Obukan_dude]

I never figured that out. I've heard the same thing, but when I was in Japan, every single bath i encountered was strictly female. Are there really public baths?

Public baths for people of the same gender, yes. :)

[Smakfull]

...of the same gender, yes. :)
Doh! :dead:

[Oroshi]

There are mixed public baths too (I've been to one) but they are few, and tend to be tucked away in remote places. Most Japanese people have never visited one, but find it hilarious if you tell them you have. The word for mixed bathing is konyoku (混浴).

[Spendius]

I think the best to avoid mistakes would be to have separate changing rooms for men and women, clearly identified with these kind of signs:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3380/toiletmv3.jpg

[male73]

I think the best to avoid mistakes would be to have separate changing rooms for men and women, clearly identified with these kind of signs:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3380/toiletmv3.jpg

Hee hee. That ought to do it.:D

[theicychameleon]

"No it's shirltless as in topless lol. If i remember corectly when this first started, i've read somwhere that the state of NY had already some similar rule."

Yup, women are allowed shirtless on the subways according to a new yorker friend of mine. :) Although I don't think many people excercise their... rights. I also heard of one crazy story where a woman went jogging completely naked to make a point and wasn't charged on the basis that her 'genitalia,' are internal and weren't on view. Sounds like an urban myth but still.

We get off easy in our dojo, dedicated men and women's changing rooms. :)

"I think the best to avoid mistakes would be to have separate changing rooms for men and women, clearly identified with these kind of signs:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3380/toiletmv3.jpg"

Good cripes, who thought them up?

[Smakfull]

... one crazy story where a woman went jogging completely naked to make a point...
Jogging without a bra? :eek: That must be an urban legend! :D

[theicychameleon]

Yeah, it does sound sore.

[Lady_Kitsune]

About the question I only face that problem once and I just did what models do, change really fast giving them my back and acctualy nobody realize that I was changing my cloth into my uniform... Probably because I did it so natural that nobody payed attention at all.

[sarathy]

It is just that most guys dont feel conscious in changing in front of women. They simply dont require that privacy. They have a casual attitude and dont mean that the ladies have to leave the room. The choice is left to the women- they are free to leave if they are embarrassed or can choose to stay and that wouldn't bother the men anyways.

[Dragon Ninja]

On my first day practicing @ my college club, I did feel a bit awkward about the fact that everyone would just change infront of each other. Sometimes in my dojo, the guys would change in the back where the bogu lockers were located (because the men's locker room stank).

Eventually they stopped because they would forget some things in the back and by the time they went back to get whatever they needed, there would be women there. So eventually the numbers reduced.

As for me, with the college club, I just started not to care and just decided to change infront of all the guys. I'm sure they wanted to see Vicky's Secret anyway :P

[Landorph]

well LOL>. the guys in our club used to do that alot... and ever since our female vice-president layed down the martial law.. even senseis are forced to goto the men's change rooms..

I think it's a good thing.. kendo is about respect, us guys should always respect the privacy and wishes of female kendokas..

Let your president know.. maybe the committee can do sumfin... talk wif the sensei..