Return of the back yard warriors. [Archive]

MSPaintClock

3rd May 2007, 11:13 AM

Is no one else getting tired of these? We all go on about how terrible they are, so why post links to them?

Some people don't stop being amazed by how ignorant some people can be. You're right we should really care anymore, ignorance is something we should be callused to (especially us) and probably something I just wrote was ignorant. It's the same responses always, who cares. Why bother showing some situational wisdom towards this to fill in the blanks that are normally filled in other places like this by someone else? There's nothing to really say.

Kenzan

3rd May 2007, 02:09 PM

Is no one else getting tired of these? We all go on about how terrible they are, so why post links to them?

Probably because half the people on this forum were once wall-hanging backyard-Bud-k-twirlers at least ONCE in their lives.
Only there was no Youtube to shock and awe the rest of the world until only recently.

Those of you who had even ONE Bruce Lee, Star Wars,(Including the one with Princess Leia in the slave outfit..) or Sho Kosugi posters adorning your walls as a teenager know who you are.....

Aaaaaaahhhh.....
The truth of that last statement is simply delicious, I tell you.
:D
..Just let it soak a while....
:D

Masahiro

3rd May 2007, 02:11 PM

when i was little, i've always rolled up 4 days worth of news paper and rolled it length wise to make myself a "sword". I really enjoyed smacking things around. it was a lot of fun, :p

Wyrlss

3rd May 2007, 03:19 PM

when i was little, i've always rolled up 4 days worth of news paper and rolled it length wise to make myself a "sword". I really enjoyed smacking things around. it was a lot of fun, :p

And there's a junction at which someone continues to do that and calls it kendo or joins a dojo. Most of this site is the latter. Most of the youtubes is the former.

Decado

3rd May 2007, 05:16 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k2kUcAJ0LA

If you love baton twirling, back yard ninjering, self-adulation action...watch this! Oh, and by the way, he doesn't take criticism too well, which makes the whole thing that much more entertaining.

Crikey! Someone who does mae worse than me. And that's saying something!:grin:

Martino

3rd May 2007, 05:36 PM

Probably because half the people on this forum were once wall-hanging backyard-Bud-k-twirlers at least ONCE in their lives.
Only there was no Youtube to shock and awe the rest of the world until only recently.

Those of you who had even ONE Bruce Lee, Star Wars,(Including the one with Princess Leia in the slave outfit..) or Sho Kosugi posters adorning your walls as a teenager know who you are.....

Aaaaaaahhhh.....
The truth of that last statement is simply delicious, I tell you.
:D
..Just let it soak a while....
:D

When I was in Cubs (the younger version of Scouts) we made Paper Mashie helmets and were given cardboard tubes (about 1 meter long), Then sent outside to wage war on each other (while helmets vs Black helmets).
Now that would have made a good youtube video.

I remember having to retreat down the hill side as I got a few to many Black caps offside by beating them around the head a bit to effective.

20 years on not much has changed

P.S. Princess Leia in the slave outfit was hot.

Alison2805

3rd May 2007, 06:22 PM

Is no one else getting tired of these? We all go on about how terrible they are, so why post links to them?

Because most of them are hilariously funny!!! If you peeked over your backyard fence and saw someone doing this in their yard, youd laugh your knickers off :tongue:.

We never got to do cubs, but the next best thing was tipping over a couple of 44gallon drums, sitting on them waving a stick around pretending to be knights with lances. Some of my best memories as a kid. Im amazed noone lost an eye. :dead: You also got covered in diesel from head to toe... :D

Hisham

3rd May 2007, 08:46 PM

Aaaaaaahhhh.....
The truth of that last statement is simply delicious, I tell you.
:D
..Just let it soak a while....
:D

Back in my teen years, i used to break stuff, so if you were passing by my grand-parents home,you'd hear some great "kiais" be it before or after bruising my hands lol, i won't bother mentioning my influences:D

ScottUK

3rd May 2007, 09:05 PM

Most of us grow out of being a backyard gladiator in the early teens. For adults to continue to do it is a bit sad.

DeanP

3rd May 2007, 11:33 PM

Being a canuck I used to swing around a sawed-off hockey stick *sigh* good times

samurai80

4th May 2007, 12:58 AM

Exactly my points. We all USED TO do this, when we were children...and of course its hilarious. I wouldn't even pay attention, but he was just so damn serious. The best part of his video is the "rei" at the start of the video, complete with cocking his head to the side like he's about to really go to war with somebody. He erased all the negative comments people have left, guess he's a touchy samurai.

Andou

4th May 2007, 01:15 AM

...I now have the uncontrollable urge to throw my shinai up into the air, charge the opponent, catch it whilst leaping upwards into the sky and bringing it down onto their men with very destructive results.

Kenzan

4th May 2007, 01:20 AM

Most of us grow out of being a backyard gladiator in the early teens. For adults to continue to do it is a bit sad.

Sorry?

I couldn't hear you from.....WAY..UP...THERE..ON YOUR GOLDEN, SPARKLING HIGH-HORSE!
LOL
:D :silly:

Oroshi

4th May 2007, 01:21 AM

It's fun to laugh at them, but if they're so convinced they're right and have no desire to learn real JSA there's not much point in bothering them.

I do wonder, though, how anyone could possibly conceive that throwing a sword in the air would ever be a good idea. Unless you wanted to die very quickly. Or annoy a low-flying pigeon.

samurai80

4th May 2007, 01:23 AM

Didn't you know? Pigeons killed Nobunaga. That is why they never found his body.

Oroshi

4th May 2007, 01:26 AM

Damn those pigeons. And to think I used to give them breadcrumbs.

Look at that manic stare (http://www.digitalplayboy.co.uk/Photos/large/pigeon.jpg). They aren't to be trusted.

... wait, what were we talking about again?

samurai80

4th May 2007, 01:28 AM

Where do you find these pictures so quickly? Hilarious!

ScottUK

4th May 2007, 01:30 AM

Sorry?

I couldn't hear you from.....WAY..UP...THERE..ON YOUR GOLDEN, SPARKLING HIGH-HORSE!
LOL
:D :silly:Hey, I still have my (straight) ninjer sword that I got in 1984 when I started karate! It served no purpose then and it serves no purpose now. It was just COOL back then.

Don't laugh - or I will question your sword's sexual orientation... :)

Kenzan

4th May 2007, 01:35 AM

Hey, I still have my (straight) ninjer sword that I got in 1984 when I started karate! It served no purpose then and it serves no purpose now. It was just COOL back then.

and...yet....you still have it...
Hmmmmmm...?

Velkommen! Please to be lying down on zis cowch ont tell me uf yor chilthoot....

heeheee!
:D

Edited to say: Ugh..I, once, many Aons ago, had the first version of the "Highlander" katana....

ScottUK

4th May 2007, 01:37 AM

OK, I was physically abused as a child (every week due to karate study) and now I pile that hatred onto backyard budo bandits.

Does that make me a bad person? :)

Kenzan

4th May 2007, 01:41 AM

Does that make me a bad person? :)

Not at all!
:)
at least, not until they find the bodies....:D

Fred27

4th May 2007, 01:55 AM

OK, I was physically abused as a child (every week due to karate study) and now I pile that hatred onto backyard budo bandits.

Does that make me a bad person? :)

Gratz on yer 4th Green-cube there mate. *points at reputation bar* :tongue:

ScottUK

4th May 2007, 01:58 AM

Mostly earned through sarcasm and a bad temper... :D

theicychameleon

4th May 2007, 03:08 AM

"Back in my teen years, i used to break stuff,"

Really? cos we had a guy who like to burn stuff

"You also got covered in diesel from head to toe..."

Oh god, the worst we got was melting Mc Donalts toys in the woods... well... worst I'll post here anyway. :D anyone remember chalk rugby and brittish bulldogs by the way?

That videos quite bad :( Whats worse is that he obviously started to learn about an actual JSA (see very bad mae at start) and decided, naaaah, I'd prefer to be a majorette.

theicychameleon

4th May 2007, 03:11 AM

On the other hand, who do we sound more like:

"so we fight since we don't have better prospects xP" hahahaha if it were me personally, i'd be looking for girls :p but hey, that's jsut as cool lol. loved the video too. It reminds me of when me and my brother were still young enough to go out with the family camcprder and do stuff like this. If you want advice from an old hand, you should keep your feet little more than a shoulder's length apart, back straight, and your stance improves tenfold. You'll never fall over again>_<

or:

this fight really sucks... you know, bokken is not an arm, its a part of your body and your feet movements are just pathetics. Last, i'd not like to talk about your guard... oh, and bokkens cannot hit each other with the cutting part of it... so it represents a katana and that brokes when the cutting parts hits together.

Taken from comments on another of the guys videos.

Alison2805

4th May 2007, 11:01 AM

Oh god, the worst we got was melting Mc Donalts toys in the woods... well... worst I'll post here anyway. :D anyone remember chalk rugby and brittish bulldogs by the way?

remember brittish bulldog? We still played it at university... although its much better on the beach where noone gets hurt. :tongue:

theicychameleon

5th May 2007, 01:37 AM

Psht! The beach? We played it on 10 year old tarmac. :) :dead:

Yeah, sandburns aren't great though. I think people play up the comfort of sand just cos they enjoy the beach, horrible stuff really.

Saigo

6th May 2007, 09:39 PM

Hmm all i ever did was take a machete and hack at a forest behind my house, but i am only 15 so we will see

Andrew S

6th May 2007, 10:57 PM

Why do we bother?
Maybe we are not perfect, maybe we are not that far removed from a teenage mutant ninjer wannabe, maybe we say to ourselves "I'm WAY better than that!". Maybe we also care - we care enough to want these people to stop, and we care enough about our arts to resent what we perceive as mockery.

True, there was no YouTube back in the 80's, but I can't imagine myself ever wanting to upload videos of me swashbuckling at 13. I'm sure the same could be said for the vast majority of us.

Conversely, Kyronthekitsune, for example, puts up videos of himself firing an airsoft AK-47. Fine. He's pretending it has recoil. Er, ok... He states that he wanted to digitally edit muzzle flash onto the video. Umm...

Unlike a hastily written reply, possibly while one's blood is up, a considerable more amount of time and effort is needed to upload a video. Enough time to consider editing, re-shooting or just forgetting the whole thing. If you're still ready to show the world, then be ready to accept comments you may not like. Especially if you're pretending to be something you're not.

More likely than not, someone reading this now is disagreeing with me. They may have a valid counter argument. They may even be able to rip my thought processes to shreds. How do I react then? Were I to respond violently (on line tantrum), I'm sure you'd make judgments regarding my maturity.

Maybe we don't care enough. Maybe we care too much. I just don't know.

ScottUK

6th May 2007, 11:05 PM

Unlike a hastily written reply, possibly while one's blood is up, a considerable more amount of time and effort is needed to upload a video. Enough time to consider editing, re-shooting or just forgetting the whole thing. If you're still ready to show the world, then be ready to accept comments you may not like. Especially if you're pretending to be something you're not.Can't argue with that. However, being a kid is all about making mistakes, and maybe it is better for them to get laughed at online than come out with something in real life and get a crack in the teeth for it.

Keep posting nonsense, guys - we'll keep taking the piss and you can all learn from it and become better human beings... :)

Andrew S

7th May 2007, 06:02 AM

I got this response from the guy in question:

I mess around ;] There's no dojo around. You can easily see this is not a martial art just some display juggling :)
At least he's being honest about something.
Maybe we also need to stop assuming that every batton twirler thinks they are a warrior.

theicychameleon

7th May 2007, 08:11 AM

I gotta agree. Looking at that video and especially another one he posted its just a couple of kids having a laugh. Not a 10th dan soke of a brand new all american martial art now enrolling. When I was a kid I used jump with my sister (we had makeshift hurdles strung across the front garden). Each to their own :)

samurai80

7th May 2007, 03:23 PM

I don't know about that. a couple of days ago, his response to me was how he was awesome with a sword, and that I could never dream of doing what he does. He was partly right. I don't ever dream of doing whatever he was doing.

theicychameleon

7th May 2007, 06:43 PM

"a couple of days ago, his response to me was how he was awesome with a sword, and that I could never dream of doing what he does"

Ok I stand corrected. If he thinks hes doing serious training thats quite diferrent.

samurai80

8th May 2007, 06:51 AM

I think he recieved enough negative responses to his videos to change his tune, to at least appear he wasn't being serious. That way he avoids the negative comments. I saw a number of others post some hilarious comments under his video, to which he responded with some violent remarks. Of course all negative posts, including his threats to others, were removed from his comments section.

Andrew S

8th May 2007, 09:40 PM

He's been civil to me (username: Strewthbruce) at least. I suspect that it's because I started off politely and friendly, with a question to confirm what he's doing and then explaining that some people don't like it and why, and hinting that he could get some good advice if he cares to listen.

If he hadn't responded politely, it would be open season.:devious:

Dave_petrucci

8th May 2007, 10:03 PM

samurai80

9th May 2007, 04:09 AM

Oh yeh, this guy is quite famous around here. I think he's the one who "developed" his own sword style. Forgot what it was called, Ken something...anyway, yeh its like sword twirlers have their own on-line federation. Like you said Dave, if you check out the comments they post their own gradings of each other. My favorite on that vid is Mr. Roach's explanation of how kendo wouldn't work in real life, cuz real life doesn't have rules, and his style is designed for no holds-barred fighting. I also love the comments some of his fans left. Hilarious. This individual's vids are some of my favorite to laugh at because he must do some hilarious pose about 20 times in each one. Check out classics like...
1. The Double Arm Pump/ After twirling the sword to point behind you, and when it has come to a stop under your armpit, tense both of your arms up and pretend you're lifting an invisible barbell. Don't forget to scream.
2. The Ground Pound/ With one knee on the ground, and one leg bent to the side, pound the palm of one of your fists into the ground between your legs. Stare at the ground for a brief moment, then raise your head slowly and wear the most dramatic face possible.
3. The Worm Destroyer/ Whenever using any weapon with a sharp or pointed tip, make sure to launch it javelin-style into the dirt or grass. This must be done with the attitude " Get off of my amazing hands you clumsy weapon!".
4. Double Dump/ A variation of the Worm Destroyer. So you're twirling two swords? Why not launch both of them into the earth...AT THE SAME TIME!!!
5. Iron Lungs/ Like the crouched position of the Ground Pound, but draw it out as long as possible by heaving your chest and back three or four times before the dramatic stare.
6. Kung Fu Abs/ Remove shirt. Tense upper body like never before. Make a kung fu kiai as you move your right hand (two fingers pointed up, the rest folded)from your face down to your navel, then straight in front of you. Don't forget to stare at your own body the whole time. Keep that chin tucked.
7. Lookin' at a Tree/ Look up at a tree.

theicychameleon

9th May 2007, 05:21 AM

"good vid as a follower of the blade i am very impressed and u know ur stuff cause coming into a sword fight like that only serves to show speed its other wise pointless. I would love to spar with u sometime and mabey learn abit of the katana form u use i dont usually use one but i love learning new forms. nice vid again"

Oh dear.

samurai80

9th May 2007, 07:30 AM

Follower of the blade, I love that one. I think it translates into "I watch a lot of anime, and I dream of killing bullies with a sharp object."

Decado

9th May 2007, 07:37 AM

Follower of the blade, I love that one. I think it translates into "I watch a lot of anime, and I dream of killing bullies with a sharp object."

They are just Phil Elmores in the making! Dreaming is all they do.

Follower of the blade! Peleeeease!

Decado

9th May 2007, 07:39 AM

Oh yeh, this guy is quite famous around here. etc.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to samurai80 again."
Damn! Thought I had spread it around. Blast

samurai80

9th May 2007, 07:50 AM

Appreciate it Decado.

Nige

9th May 2007, 07:50 AM

Haha, you guys aint seen nothin' yet. Check this jackass out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbTZ6kt7RUc

He actually said "you've improved dude" in the other guys vid. These guys grade themselves or something?

I will have to send a message to Muse to not let "followers of the swords" use their songs in their videos, it was the best par tof te video lol

samurai80

9th May 2007, 08:04 AM

Funny how the music is always the only thing with talent in these videos.

Decado

9th May 2007, 08:42 AM

Funny how the music is always the only thing with talent in these videos.

It's not so bad when you can see they are extracting the urine - but it's when they are serious about it. And those sycophantic messages they get from their acolytes. Pass the sick bucket someone. Or am I just old and cynical?

Dave_petrucci

9th May 2007, 08:45 AM

Nige

9th May 2007, 08:46 AM

It's not so bad when you can see they are extracting the urine - but it's when they are serious about it. And those sycophantic messages they get from their acolytes. Pass the sick bucket someone. Or am I just old and cynical?

It is a bit annoying when you see how serious they are and how they think they are the most awesome thing since sliced bread, just cos they can swish a sword. Some people just need to chillax.

"you are a ninja!!!! holy crap I've never seen or even heard of anyone practicing katana akimbo since the days of musashi! I must learn those skills. I'm gonna study the crap out of your videos."

lol this makes me want to be able to send myself via the internet and punch people in the face :p

Decado

9th May 2007, 08:51 AM

"you are a ninja!!!! holy crap I've never seen or even heard of anyone practicing katana akimbo since the days of musashi! I must learn those skills. I'm gonna study the crap out of your videos."

Decado, you are not cynical enough.

Just old - sigh!

Htf do you practice katana with arms akimbo? And since when did katana become a sport. It's a sword. Did they mean practise with a katana? Whatever they meant they are numpties!

Decado

9th May 2007, 08:53 AM

lol this makes me want to be able to send myself via the internet and punch people in the face :p

Ping! Light bulb moment! Perhaps we could CGI you into their videos on YouTube doing that. I am sure that the techie bods out there could do that. It would be better if it could be done to the vids they have rather than a copy. It would give the sychophants a heart attack though.

Gessho

9th May 2007, 08:57 AM

Haha, you guys aint seen nothin' yet. Check this jackass out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbTZ6kt7RUc

He actually said "you've improved dude" in the other guys vid. These guys grade themselves or something?

He looks good enough for Hollywood which means that it isn't real martial arts. That said, he looks like a young guy having a good time and putting some fun stuff on video.

What would be nice to see is for some of the very excellent kendo and kumdo people on this forum put out a few nicely done videos of kendo on YouTube and Google Video.

Nige

9th May 2007, 08:57 AM

Ping! Light bulb moment! Perhaps we could CGI you into their videos on YouTube doing that. I am sure that the techie bods out there could do that. It would be better if it could be done to the vids they have rather than a copy. It would give the sychophants a heart attack though.

HAHA i should make my own video where i cut cardboard cut outs of all the shite internet "sword followers" lol.. but then i'd have tocut down myself in the same video thus creating a paradox, wouldn't i? :confused2

Decado

9th May 2007, 09:02 AM

HAHA i should make my own video where i cut cardboard cut outs of all the shite internet "sword followers" lol.. but then i'd have tocut down myself in the same video thus creating a paradox, wouldn't i? :confused2

Perhaps we could combine your idea with Gessho's

"What would be nice to see is for some of the very excellent kendo and kumdo people on this forum put out a few nicely done videos of kendo on YouTube and Google Video."

Sort of kill two birds with one stone (or sword).

ScottUK

9th May 2007, 07:08 PM

Look up Kendo-World member Ashi if you wish to ask questions about the video - he is TPRoach on YouTube.

DeanP

13th May 2007, 06:38 AM

I love it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiSHti0yOIY

I think ill ask him to come teach a seminar here to lighten the mood

ScottUK

13th May 2007, 08:37 AM

Don't make me come down there...
- God

Decado

13th May 2007, 08:59 AM

I love it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiSHti0yOIY

I think ill ask him to come teach a seminar here to lighten the mood

You know, I just love to run through fallen autumn leaves as well! It reminds me of when I was a child so many years ago (so many, many, many years ago). I can really relate to that guy about that. Not sure why he's throwing that piece of wood around though. I don't remember doing that as a child when I ran through those fallen autumn leaves.

samurai80

13th May 2007, 11:52 AM

I almost peed my pants. That video certainly beats the "invincible bokuto" guy, hands down. I have to admit, I wish my house looked like that. Everything in that video was top notch hilarious, but the background music...priceless. Imagine if that played in the background in real-life.

example- "How many sir?"
"Two, for the smoking section."
"I'm sorry, we don't have a smoking section." Cue music

Mr. T.

13th May 2007, 06:52 PM

I've been thinking about this for a while, maybe we should have a competition. Who can find the crappiest youtube/JSA vid. With categories like: the biggest scamurai (JSA fraud), The flash trash champion (XMA and wannabees) and overall katana crap. What do you say, should we give it a try?

Sparv

13th May 2007, 07:32 PM

Anime12478

14th May 2007, 01:03 AM

Random movie that has nothing to do with this thread. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQAcwR9jLi4&mode=related&search=)

Videos of a backyard samurai who says he's backyard samurai. (http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=bradlln) This video seems more like the "I just want to slice various things" instead of being a true JSA video.

And to answer someone's request for a nicely done Kendo video on youtube, here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmDBeCYw15k) is a video a fellow dojo mate of mine made to commemorate his first Kendo tournament.

samurai80

14th May 2007, 03:48 AM

Thanks for the vids Anime. Of course Mr.T, I'm down. The category thing is a must. There's too many styles of crap to only have one "best of the worst". The added bonus to doing this is all the people that will be pissed we even had this little contest.

Andrew S

15th May 2007, 06:48 AM

I love it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiSHti0yOIY

I think ill ask him to come teach a seminar here to lighten the mood
So, was that "Beginners' Guide" a guide on how to swing like a beginner?

Drew

15th May 2007, 07:04 PM

Having read all the post on this I’ve just watched the youtube vid from the guy TPRoach, and…

… I found it 'entertaining'. The ‘post production’ values and production values in general in the vid. are very good imo. I’ve seen a lot worse from professional companies charging thousands of pounds for their services.

As for his skills: he undoubtedly has them; good hand eye coordination and balance. If you take it for what it is, it’s great.

If you want to be ‘critical’ then yes – lots technically wrong with what he is doing. I can’t comment too much on his sword skill as I’m too inexperienced but during the vid he throws in a couple of spinning ‘crescent kicks’ and a jumping ‘front kick’ (TKD style-eee).

Now, Taekwondo is something I’ve been practicing for a number of years and dearly love. Okay, his crescent kick would have delivered what little power it had well past his intended target and his front kick would most likely have ended up with him badly damaging or breaking most of his toes (along the way he also demonstrates one or two passable Cover Drives (cricket) that might have made the boundary on a small Village Green pitch).

I guess my point is that being passionate about taekwondo I don’t particularly take offense at his attempts at these techniques. Why would I? Finding his imitation of one of my favourite arts disrespectful would seem to me a little intolerant on my part. If he professed to be a 5th Dan Master in taekwondo then it would be obvious to anybody watching this, with a little training that he simply wasn’t.

Okay, my blood pressure did jump a little when I saw him stick his swords (presumably iaito) into the ground.

However, it seems to really wind people up when ‘backyard ninjas’ post on youtube with stuff like this. I wonder why people don’t just content themselves with saying, ‘hey this guy has some real skill, and he’d most likely make a good taekwondo player or iaido/kendo practitioner if he ever cared to get some proper tuition.’, or just think ‘what an arse’ to themselves and laugh.

Or am I missing something here?
*Pulls on asbestos overall.

ScottUK

15th May 2007, 07:09 PM

Or am I missing something here?
*Pulls on asbestos overall.Nope, nothing at all. TPRoach is cool on KW.

(I am still on my best behaviour - let me know when Genz ain't looking!) :D

Drew

15th May 2007, 07:22 PM

o O (Wonders whether to taunt Scotty some more?)

ScottUK

15th May 2007, 07:29 PM

Knock yourself out. I'm only 45 mins from you... :D

Drew

15th May 2007, 07:31 PM

I'll see you at half time then!

Decado

16th May 2007, 03:59 AM

I'll see you at half time then!

Perhaps we could all come over although I would be lost doing the koryu (and before anyone says it I'm lost doing Seitei as well! :p ). And we could see the brand spanking new dojo (and iaito????).

ZtefaNNN[K]

16th May 2007, 04:20 AM

LOL just watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o5-rXU3-v8&mode=related&search=).

samurai80

16th May 2007, 05:59 AM

ZtefaNNN[K]

16th May 2007, 06:07 AM

I think it was quite funny, but the abuse of kendo stuff almost made me puke and when he performs that moonsault.... it was way too much for me.

samurai80

16th May 2007, 06:26 AM

Oh, I don't disagree, it was funny. Especially the "acting".

Obulco

16th May 2007, 06:41 AM

Eh, just another action flic. I can't be too mad at 'em for it. Altough I would laugh at the "musashi" keikogi, and wonder why someone would attack that guy wearing bogu(no kote), but I've seen much worse in martial arts type flics.

The video illustrates well the fantasies that movies are based on versus the reality of the arts. The man in the “mushashi” keikogi is in fact Kataoka-sensei, head of the New York Kendo club, nanadan in Kendo (and I believe also in Iaido) and the most competent teacher. He also has an acting career. Not that I know him that well, but, having enjoyed his practice and his company in a few occasions, I somehow doubt that he had a lot of influence in the decisions about the movie’s wardrobe. And perhaps neither he had about that moustache. :D :D

samurai80

16th May 2007, 11:27 AM

Yeh, I didn't say anything about him, except for the keikogi thing.

Hank

16th May 2007, 11:46 AM

I have to say, the picture on IMDB of Kataoka-sensei (Ken Kensei) doing Yaegaki is very nice. You can really see the tension of the moment. I can only hope to look like that one day.

samurai80

17th May 2007, 02:01 AM

Here's my new entry for the "scamurai" genre. It doesn't beat "Begginers' Guide to Kendo and Iaido", but just wait for the iai and kendo part of this vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKpkwCa5CiU

Oroshi

17th May 2007, 02:18 AM

Here's my new entry for the "scamurai" genre. It doesn't beat "Begginers' Guide to Kendo and Iaido", but just wait for the iai and kendo part of this vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKpkwCa5CiU
Oh god, the Japanese is genius.

Basically, they used babelfish, and it makes about as much sense as you'd expect. And they've named their organisation in a mix of Japanese and Korean, and spelled it with different kanji at the start and the end of the video.

Anime12478

17th May 2007, 04:53 AM

Wow...I have never seen Japanese put together in such a haphazard manner. Not to mention that they show the random asian images to show they are "one" with the earth or some random nonsense. Other than the expert village videos, this has to be the worst I have seen.

Andrew S

17th May 2007, 07:01 AM

I loved the 海のそこに右
"(turn) Right to the bottom of the ocean"!

I recognised a lot of the stuff - the punching displays were originally Karate kata (I picked Heian sandan, Heian godan and Kanku dai) but stopped part way so they could do some static punching (Taekwondo etc. is rooted in Japanese Karate of the 1930s and 40s); the jo work was uncannily similar to Aikido jo-no-awase no.7 and then just tachi-dori.
I get the feeling that the fake Japanese and generic East Asian background (hey, all Asian looks the same, right?:rolleyes: ) was an attempt to justify their system and make it seem authentic.

Anime12478

17th May 2007, 09:04 AM

samurai80

17th May 2007, 09:47 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YcjLv1bnaE&mode=related&search=

It seems the martial arts communiy has already sniffed out the scam. Check out the comments. The guy posting from their dojo is touchy.

Anime12478

17th May 2007, 01:00 PM

You guys need to read the comments that they left for the previous video mentioned. He said that I didn't know Japanese and my Kendo looked like I learned it in a McDojo.

samurai80

17th May 2007, 01:01 PM

Hey Anime. Check out the responses he gave us on the first of their vids I posted. Damn! You beat me to it.

samurai80

17th May 2007, 01:20 PM

Clown shoes. That's all I can say. I gotta give it to 'em though, they live the lie. Dare me to invite them on the thread to defend their school?

Decado

17th May 2007, 06:37 PM

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTrEwMDGXqU&mode=user&search=) is a video of a black belt test. They have some Kanji on the wall in the back that reads Shonin Aiki Kwon --- (I think).

I make the assumption that they failed! They would have done at the karate dojo I used to go to. No power, no spirit, no strong stances, sloppy techniques. A 9th kyu pass if the examiner was feeling generous maybe at the most.

Oroshi

17th May 2007, 08:02 PM

They have some Kanji on the wall in the back that reads Shonin Aiki Kwon --- (I think).

It's 'aikijujutsu' - with 'shonin' written 証人 rather than 諸人 as shown at the start of the other video.

諸人 = various people
証人 = witness (as in 'prosecution witness')

Either way it still makes no sense. Unless they exclusively train people who testify in court.

Look you idiotic child, I KNOW JAPANESE. CERTIFIED JLPT Level 2. THE KANJI IS NOT DIFFERENT. I dont even know what babel fish is. 証人　拳　道　Because his martial art is part Korean he uses "Kwon". In Japanese it literally translates into : Shou Nin Kobushi Dou. Witness Fist The Way of
Wow. Certified is the word.

Anime12478

17th May 2007, 10:25 PM

I know I'm only wasting my time, but I kinda just keep going out of humor and so I can see what kinds of insults he says next. I typed the next message in as best of Japanese as I possibly can since I know that a level 2 JLPT would understand it perfectly :)

Oroshi

18th May 2007, 02:12 AM

Oh, that's brilliant. I can't wait to see his response :D

Normally I try to keep out of this kind of thing, but his arrogance is hilarious and the sheer ridiculousness of it all is reeling me in.

Kenzan

18th May 2007, 02:24 AM

Anime12478

18th May 2007, 02:36 AM

Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna go any further than that last message. Just a little short time fun for a night is all I wanted since I had nothing better to do.

shred_lord

18th May 2007, 02:37 AM

I say respectfully, that course of action is rather pointless, is it not?
Goading him, that is.Who are you?! And what have you done with Kenzan!?!

Kenzan

18th May 2007, 02:42 AM

Who are you?! And what have you done with Kenzan!?!

Pod-people (http://www.dccc.org/stakeholder/archives/body_snatchers.jpg).

..And now I've said too much. :D

shred_lord

18th May 2007, 03:15 AM

Pod-people (http://www.dccc.org/stakeholder/archives/body_snatchers.jpg).

..And now I've said too much. :D
Thank youfor supplying my new avatar :)

Kenzan

18th May 2007, 03:19 AM

+rep For You Sir!!!!
Rofl!!! :d :d :d

samurai80

18th May 2007, 04:20 AM

I've been banned from posting comments on his video. Let me guess...Anime12478 has probably been banned as well. Oh well.(shrug)

Oroshi

18th May 2007, 04:28 AM

He posted this on his own profile:

I loathe ignorant people, especvially ignorant AMERICAN martial artists, who THINK THEY KNOW WHAT IS REAL. I lived and studied in Japan (I have documentation to prove it) and this CRAP here is NOT IT!
Wait... is this a confession?

You KNOW that you are NOT a TRUE martial artist when you come and bash other peoples videos talking about how bad they are especially if you have never even been to Japan and studied. A TRUE Japanese or any asian martiaL artist simply smiles and shows their expertise. ANYONE CAN TALK GOOD SH*T over the internet. RESPECT, humility, modesty are key to the mentality of a martial artists.
Respect, humility, modesty... but obviously not a sense of irony.

samurai80

18th May 2007, 04:33 AM

I was going to leave him a post about that, but decided it would pretty much mean nothing, like everything else said to him. I'm glad someone else caught that. Me and my girlfriend had a field day laughing at his nonsense messages, not to mention the videos themselves.

Oroshi

18th May 2007, 04:46 AM

Laughing at these people is much better than getting angry with them, in my opinion.

Decado

18th May 2007, 05:01 AM

He posted this on his own profile:

Wait... is this a confession?

Respect, humility, modesty... but obviously not a sense of irony.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Oroshi again."
I did! I did! Obviously not enough.
Why, oh why do these people seem unable to take criticism? The black belt grading kata was appalling in their video. Kata on mats! Upright stances with straight legs and knees! Blocks with all the power of a soggy cucumber? And they couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag! And I've seen more spirit in an empty whisky glass!
Okay, what they do in their own dojo is their own affair and good luck to them. But to expose themselves on video in that way - why?

Decado

18th May 2007, 05:03 AM

Laughing at these people is much better than getting angry with them, in my opinion.

But they seem to take themselves so seriously! But you're right. But it still annoys me that they posted that black belt grading kata video. They must be extracting the urine with that one.

Andrew S

18th May 2007, 07:10 AM

Here's how I translate the text:

Divine light
That heaven's span
Must fall to the earth to be buried
Then, please everything, illuminate stuff
To the right of the bottom of the sea
- Morihei Ueshiba

(someone might be able to come up with something better than I did though. I just did this for fun, however.)

God's headlight
It is the span of heaven
Must fall down to the earth for burial
Then shine on everything, please
Make a right to the sea floor.

And to think that by investing a little time into looking at the Essence of Aikido, for example, they could've gotten it right. Scary, huh?

So, the guy lived in Japan? I take it he meant he was an exchange student some years ago. And anyone with 2nd kyu on the JLPT would be able to pick the mistakes on the translation.

Oroshi

18th May 2007, 09:27 AM

Incidentally, I was bored so I pumped the English text into babelfish line-by-line. Guess what came out?

PS - I saw the 軟式グローブ videos in your profile. I very much approve :D

Andrew S

18th May 2007, 11:01 PM

Incidentally, I was bored so I pumped the English text into babelfish line-by-line. Guess what came out?

Let me guess - some gibberish identical to what was on the video, even though they don't know what babelfish is? Am I warm?

PS - I saw the 軟式グローブ videos in your profile. I very much approve :D
I didn't realize that they came up in my profile until now. But when I looked at my YouTube profile, I was shocked. According to YouTube, "You have no friends"! How do they know so much about me?

Andrew S

20th May 2007, 06:26 PM

It gets worse!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YcjLv1bnaE

Now they're claiming a 2000 year old family system including ninjutsu (of course :rolleyes: )
Then comes a short series of portraits of some old gentlemen, and the one at 00:58 is none other than Okinawan karate master Sakugawa (ninjutsu, huh?). Later, at 02:45, we have a photo of a senior aikido instructor (Kato Sensei? I've forgotten the name) popping up in the "weapons" section.
Looks like they've hijacked pics of genuine masters to try and legitimise themselves.

samurai80

21st May 2007, 04:17 PM

They still never answered Anime's post, or yours. I'm waiting.

Andrew S

22nd May 2007, 06:44 AM

They're probably doing much more important things, like shooting and editing another video - or desperately trying to learn some Japanese:tongue:
BTW, if anyone can identify the other gentlemen in the portraits from the above-mentioned video, I would appreciate it. Got a feeling one of them is Sokaku Takeda. (Ninjutsu? Right :rolleyes: )

Oroshi

22nd May 2007, 06:51 AM

Andrew S

22nd May 2007, 07:02 AM

Oroshi, many thanks. (The link was cool, too).
Incidently, the name of the guy at 02:45 was in fact Sasaki Sensei, 8th dan Aikido. (All I remembered was that he had a common surname:silly:. Bad me!)

So, was I right with my guess regarding line-by-line into bablefish, or do I have to do it myself?

Oroshi

22nd May 2007, 07:17 AM

So, was I right with my guess regarding line-by-line into bablefish, or do I have to do it myself?
You're right about that too :D

神ライト... seriously.

Andrew S

23rd May 2007, 06:57 AM

The SNDK crowd are now approving comments before they get displayed on the garden video, so I'm doubtful whether my latest will ever make it to the comments list.
In case it doesn't, I first corrected them on their assertion over the 諸/証 thing, then asked them why they didn't acknowledge Ueshiba as the author of the poem, and what connections they had with Ueshiba.
Then a bit more on the poor level of Japanese.

I'm hoping someone can help identify the gentleman who appears at 00:54 on the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YcjLv1bnaE video, so I'll have a watertight case to put on their comments.

ScottUK

23rd May 2007, 07:03 AM

You could always leave a comment (http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kunoichi84) here.

Anime12478

23rd May 2007, 07:50 AM

Being banned from commenting on his videos, I'm not sure if I could do anything at this point, but I could try making a post on his profile and see what happens. All I said was that it's hard to take a martial art seriously when a video that promotes it doesn't proofread and showing random moves with no obvious purpose. But he chose to react in that manner and I don't think that there is anything that we could say to make him see things our way. Further spamming his pages with irate comments, however, will only make things worse, not only for him, but for us as well.

Andrew S

23rd May 2007, 10:32 PM

You could always leave a comment (http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=kunoichi84) here.
I think they've blocked comments there, too :p

Andrew S

3rd June 2007, 06:44 PM

Update: Kunoichi84 has deleted Scott's and my comments/questions from his comments page - so much for being polite. Must've touched a raw nerve somewhere.

Dave_petrucci

3rd June 2007, 09:33 PM

"I loathe ignorant people, especvially ignorant AMERICAN martial artists, who THINK THEY KNOW WHAT IS REAL. I lived and studied in Japan (I have documentation to prove it) and this CRAP here is NOT IT! You KNOW that you are NOT a TRUE martial artist when you come and bash other peoples videos talking about how bad they are especially if you have never even been to Japan and studied. A TRUE Japanese or any asian martiaL artist simply smiles and shows their expertise. ANYONE CAN TALK GOOD SH*T over the internet. RESPECT, humility, modesty are key to the mentality of a martial artists."

Nerves have been touched.

theicychameleon

4th June 2007, 02:55 AM

Especially ironic when preceeded by:

"I love all people and respect everyone amd their opinions."

Andrew S

4th June 2007, 06:27 AM

To be fair, that post was there before mine.
However:
I am not an AMERICAN martial artist, not an AMERICAN MARTIAL artistist.
I have a fair idea what is real, and will ask questions when unsure. At least I know who Sakugawa is and know where NOT to put his picture.
I have lived and studied in Japan, and am still living over here. What did he study?
I didn't bash their art, I mentioned linguistic inaccuracies and inappropriate use of photos in their video. I thought that was "showing my expertise". Not good enough for some...
"Anyone can talk good sh*t over the internet"... something about glass houses and hard projectiles?

I tried to be nice and inoffensive, sigh.

FIRE AT WILL!:evil:

Jimmy

5th June 2007, 06:08 PM

this oddly reminds me of headong Kumdo...ah thinking even me (a noob kendoka) would be stoping his show off with a simple men strike...but....no....why do i think so violent he is not worth it!...a kendoka only attack other kendoka...and thats to learn....sorry ^_^

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(if you are looking for me...i'am already out XD)

Andrew S

6th June 2007, 07:08 AM

I've put this comment up on Kunoichi84's comments page.

突然ですが、ちょっと訪ねてもよろしいでしょうか？
まず、いつ日本に訪れましたか？どれくらい滞在しましたか？高校で留学しに来ましたか?
武道に関して、どんな流派を習いましたか？段位や免許などを持っていますか?
最後に、あるＳＮＫＤビデオの中、「唐手」佐久川、武田惣角、合気道の佐々木先生など有名な人物の写真が入っていますが、どんな関係で入っているかを教えていただきませんか？よろしくお願いします。
It's about as polite as I can make it (sorry, no keigo). Let's see how long before he deletes it. I'm not expecting any answers for a couple of reasons...:tongue: