Kendowiki

[JoDuncan]

Does such a thing as an online wiki-style kendo resource exist? A kendowiki or kendofaq if you will?
There are aikido equivalents but they are either quite poor or in their infancy.

My apologies if it has been covered but a google search gave me nothing special.

I was thinking that it would make for an excellent resource for newbie kendoka like myself. Who is up for the job? Maybe the people of kendo world could add a section? Of course it shouldn't be "wiki" per se but limited to those who actually knew what they were talking about!

It could have the potential to be a real cracking website; could have videos of various waza, kihon, suburi etc. in addition to verbose explanation.

Of course it is no substitute to "ask your Sensei" but my Sensei is not available 24/7 and i'm sure yours isn't either.

Thanks

[shred_lord]

I made this ages ago http://kendo.wikispaces.com

I logged in for the first time in months and hot damn but there's a request for membership and Pugtm has added a new page!

Maybe in should put this back in my favorites.

[shred_lord]

My god! There's a stats feature now and people actually read the thing! I'm actually quite shock by this! :)

[JoDuncan]

Cheers to the Shredder.

[Pugtm]

Yeah please everyone come and edit. Especially stuff like waza and stuff in keiko which a noob like me doesn't understand yet.

[Anime12478]

There's also this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendo), but I think the former is the style you're looking for, am I right?

While you can get more information from the forums and such, I think it's a nice idea to have a nice, concise wiki page like this that gets more specific about the aspects of Kendo. I guess I can contribute a thing or two when the time comes though.

[ZtefaNNN[K]]

I would like to help if I can too. I think it´d be Useful.

[Anime12478]

It's way to late to edit the last message, but I just added a links page to the wiki. Of course, it's just a bare-bones page and could use some added links.

As for the rest of the page, it's pretty nice, though methinks the page with the bogu's pictures are too big. There could be some facelift changes, but that can be considered later once more information and more wiki-inclined people join up.

[Pugtm]

There's also this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendo), but I think the former is the style you're looking for, am I right?

While you can get more information from the forums and such, I think it's a nice idea to have a nice, concise wiki page like this that gets more specific about the aspects of Kendo. I guess I can contribute a thing or two when the time comes though.
yeah i think it could grow to be a lot bigger and maybe eventually include a listing of dojo's or search options and other stuff. For an example look at http://www.aikiweb.com/
They have everything all in one place including forum and wiki, and dojo search, and its easy to find anything you want on the subject.

[ravenouswolf]

I made this ages ago http://kendo.wikispaces.com

...

Maybe in should put this back in my favorites.

Hey thas really cool, Ive just added it to my bookmarks. And its even accessible from The Worlds Most Populous Nation (wikipedia is blocked).

C'mon you (experienced) lot - add to the entries! I gracefully excuse myself due to incompetence :)

[Anime12478]

Is there a way you can show a more detailed version of the updates page? I guess, for now, we can just add the specific changes to the main page just to make sure we know specifically what's happening. Also, I suggest you have people sign up first before they can add content as any random person can come in and change stuff at this point.

[Pugtm]

well i guess were hoping that it is small enough that nobody will try and mess it up. But we can go ahead and make backups and also there is an option to revert edits.

[Anime12478]

That's cool. I don't think it will be a problem at this point, but as long as there is a plan to take care of potential problems, then the situation should be okay.

[Jetsi]

Great site, just on the initial look through.

I plan on reading through it more intently in the near future, and hopefully I can contribute something worthwhile as well.

[Anime12478]

Hey thas really cool, Ive just added it to my bookmarks. And its even accessible from The Worlds Most Populous Nation (wikipedia is blocked).

C'mon you (experienced) lot - add to the entries! I gracefully excuse myself due to incompetence :)
I have only done Kendo for four years so there is still some time I need before I understand things to a point where I can be a large contributor. But I will add as much as I can to the page based on a little research, personal experience and limited knowledge.

Of course, it's up to shred_lord for the final design since he is the one that created the page, but I would personally encourage people of all experience levels to contribute. If you don't know something, then you can do a little research and put your notes on the page. As there will be multiple people looking at and editing the pages, any erroneous information can be edited out. Combined with one's own desire to research whatever they can about Kendo and a few corrections along the way, participation in these pages can become a great tool in learning the ins and outs of what Kendo is about.

[Kenzan]

For an example look at http://www.aikiweb.com/


I'd rather not.
bad mojo.

[shred_lord]

For the moment everyone can contribute. I will accept people as members if they want to apply (a few have) but it's will make no difference unless I feel the page is being bombed with rubbish and decide to tighten it up. I'd love to see some contributions from some of the forum high grades though.

I certain people were to apply for membership I'll make them an admin (I think I can do that).

[Pugtm]

just added a funny page based off of a thread in this forum. not done yet but i have finals tomorrow so ill finish afterwards. Also added Japanese writing. can someone check it.

[Oroshi]

just added a funny page based off of a thread in this forum. not done yet but i have finals tomorrow so ill finish afterwards. Also added Japanese writing. can someone check it.

I'd advise against putting Japanese text in the titles of articles, as it can be confusing. I find such translations work better when placed inside the main text of the article as easily ignorable references.

Some of the Japanese is ok, but some makes little sense - did you use babelfish, by any chance?

[Kingofmyrrh]

just added a funny page based off of a thread in this forum. not done yet but i have finals tomorrow so ill finish afterwards. Also added Japanese writing. can someone check it.

I'm going to have to be a little more blunt - that Japanese is all over the place. Best to leave things out of your sphere to those with a little more experience perhaps?

[Pugtm]

no a different one but i get the idea. Just change it if its bad.

[Ignatz]

no a different one but i get the idea. Just change it if its bad.

It would make more sense not to post things in Japanese if you don't speak or write the language.

[Anime12478]

I will take the middle road and say that it's okay to use the kanji for established concepts when you are describing them. But, using them for every link on every page is a bit of overkill. I must admit though, that the page would be just fine without the Japanese if need be.

[shred_lord]

I've moved the Humour link out of the main heading. If there must be one I don't think it should be a major feature.

I think the humour bit should be kept to a minimum though. I don't think the wiki should become a "best of KW humour" site. If you want to do that make a site of your own. Plus I think a prospective kendoka would be very confused reading this sort of stuff (http://kendo.wikispaces.com/Kendo+Addiction) out of the forum context.

Also, a call to use a unified spelling system as far as possible. I've chosen English rather than American English purely because that's what I speak. This is because it looks odd if you sometimes read color and sometimes colour, and I don't want to confuse people who don't speak English as a first language.

If anyone disagrees with any of my decisions please tell me your reason and I'll reconsider them. After all, I do not want this to be Gareth's Kendo Site, but rather a community lead thing.

Edit: Also maybe one of the Iaidoka could start an Iaido wiki (I don't want to manage more than one).

[Sparv]

I love the changes between you and I in the humour part... We can feel the experience.

[nebosuke]

Also, a call to use a unified spelling system as far as possible. I've chosen English rather than American English purely because that's what I speak.

Along those same lines, I think it would be good to decide upon a single system of romanization, and also a single and viable system of pronunciation and offer links to how each system works. As it is now in the wiki the former is a bit mixed, while the latter looks made-up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Japanese

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_phonology

[Oroshi]

I'd strongly recommend the use of Hepburn romanisation.

[Kenzan]

Also, a call to use a unified spelling system as far as possible. I've chosen English rather than American English purely because that's what I speak. This is because it looks odd if you sometimes read color and sometimes colour, and I don't want to confuse people who don't speak English as a first language.
.

American English spellings are pretty much accepted as the business, legal, and academic norm globally.

~And of course, this is entirely true simply because I say so.
:silly:

[Kenzan]

I'd strongly recommend the use of Hepburn romanisation.

I agree.
Recent pronunciation I've seen in some books with some nonsense such as an example: "oo" being the same as ō, like Tookyoo or "shoogun" instead of "Shōgun" or "Tōkyō."

Apparently this is also a modification of Hepburn romanization. (Note the proper American spelling) LOL :D

It simply drives me crazy, and I refuse to read any instruction books with that method.

[Pugtm]

lets worry about content first and then standardize it.

[nebosuke]

lets worry about content first and then standardize it.

That's the entirely wrong approach, unless you're volunteering to go back through every page and edit them into compliance. Much easier to lay the ground rules now and follow them going forward, than to try and change everything at some undetermined future point. Waiting until later is just another way of saying it'll never get done.

[Oroshi]

lets worry about content first and then standardize it.

Or for efficiency's sake get everyone using the same conventions at the beginning to reduce the workload later.

Edit: What Nebosuke said.

[Pugtm]

never thought of it that way

[Smakfull]

My god! There's a stats feature now and people actually read the thing! I'm actually quite shock by this! :)I've found the page tons of times when I've googled, so don't be :)

[Bokushingu]

very nice wiki. we just added a wiki to our website. I was unsure about it until i visited yours, pugtm & shred lord. Mind if i post a link to it my dojo forum?

[Pugtm]

sure why not?
But you see it was pretty much abandoned so there might be no point.

[Anime12478]

It's unfortunate because I just added some things on this morning. Either word isn't getting around or too many people are afraid to add things in the prospect that they may be wrong. I could be doing more to spread the word about this, such as putting it in my signiature and probably posting the site on e-budo and see how things go there.

[Ignatz]

I think Gareth needs to get on the stick here and cut back on playing monkey games, Pugsy can't do it all himself.:confused2

[Pugtm]

enough with the pugsy Ignatz.

on the topic of kendowiki it's tough to see the progress because the main page looks 2 weeks old so it looks like nothing is going on.(hence my comment on abandonment)

[Kenzan]

enough with the pugsy Ignatz.


Puggles?
Pugnacious?
Pugs-A-Ramavich?
Patty-"O-Flannihans-Purulent-Pug-Pub-O-Rama-and Putt-Putt-Mini-Golf?

No?
:laugh:
:D

[Ignatz]

enough with the pugsy Ignatz.


Why? Does it upset you?
Why don't you write a couple hundred words on the four sicknesses. Don't copy it, make it personal. Since you haven't done any keiko yet, think about it in terms of things you have actually done. Don't put it on the wiki site, let some people see it first.

Asking is like chicken soup, it couldn't hurt.

[Pugtm]

eh? Four sicknesses? do you mean the book or the Buddhist concepts?

[Ignatz]

Just as I thought. Anybody want to help him?
Kenzan? Here is a good chance for you.

[Kenzan]

Umm..er...
Doubt, Surprise, confusion, and anger?

wow...
I am one sick pup.
:D

[Pugtm]

yeah so is it that or The Four Sicknesses of Humanity by Warinei Wanare (http://www.heartoftheinitiate.com/library/audio-video/the-four-sicknesses-of-humanity)

[Ignatz]

Is the the "I can look stuff up on Google World Forum" or the Kendo World Forum?

p.s. it's fear, doubt, surprise and confusion.

Anger can lead to or result from any one or all four.

[Kenzan]

yeah so is it that or The Four Sicknesses of Humanity by Warinei Wanare (http://www.heartoftheinitiate.com/library/audio-video/the-four-sicknesses-of-humanity)

I dunno about the four sicknesses from that site, but I'll take a piping hot mug 'o
Ayahuasca (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca.shtml) any day..
:laugh:

[Pugtm]

Is the the "I can look stuff up on Google World Forum" or the Kendo World Forum?

p.s. it's fear, doubt, surprise and confusion.

Anger can lead to or result from any one or all four.
So you want me to write an essay?

[Ignatz]

No. I want you to learn something about kendo.

[Paikea]

enough with the pugsy Ignatz.Do you have a real name you would prefer?

[Pugtm]

i wouldn't give my real world name but just pug is fine.

[Ignatz]

i wouldn't give my real world name but just pug is fine.

Afraid of ninjer attacks?

I like pugsly better. Maybe there should be a poll.

[Anime12478]

No. I want you to learn something about kendo.
I know that it's easy to wait around for someone who has been practicing for 100 years to give some insightful information to put on here. Trust me, I would be more than happy if that were to happen. But then, I believe that we, as beginners, can take a better initiative with the page.

There is a lot of stuff that can be researched when it comes to Kendo, such as the clothing, armor, weapons, etc. This seems to already be happening with the basic information that is on there. But then, there are also a few things that can only be based off of experience, which even the newest of beginners already have some of if they stepped into a dojo and practiced--albeit not much.

Instead of seeing this as a page that professionals put their information on the internet, maybe the thought process can be changed to sort of a research paper. It's a great way to obtain a deeper understanding about what Kendo is as well as understand ourselves in the process. I can understand that most people don't like to be wrong, but this is a joint project. As long as specific changes are documented, the articles can be corrected as needed and within reason. Even after almost 4 years of Kendo, I still feel that I am in the infancy stages of Kendo development. I sometimes feel that the stuff that I would like to contribute may be overstepping my bounds. But, on the other hand, I'm also willing to be corrected if I am.

[Pugtm]

Afraid of ninjer attacks?

I like pugsly better. Maybe there should be a poll.
so start one. you have my blessing. however i still prefer just pug. And without your usual condescension.
No. I want you to learn something about kendo.
yes so would I. What does my personal growth have to do with this wiki?

[Paikea]

so start one. you have my blessing. however i still prefer just pug. And without your usual condescension.

yes so would I. What does my personal growth have to do with this wiki?I declare asshattery. A yellow card to the anonymous, arrogant Texican.

[Ignatz]

I declare asshattery. A yellow card to the anonymous, arrogant Texican.

two flags up.

[shred_lord]

1. Please take this elsewhere and keep this thread about the wiki.

2. The wiki will remain an open-to-all project with me as the final word.

3. I would love to not be the final word and hand some of the responsibility around but I've yet to have had any membership requests from known seniors. If I did, they would be made an "organiser" straight away.

4. The fact is I don't think anyone of nidan or higher has contributed yet, so without the low grade participation, I (a low grade) would be the only contributor.

5. I am the guy to answer questions about linking to the wiki (not you pug!) and yes, just as anyone can contribute to it, the more links to it the better. I will write a FAQ at some point soon. If you have a question ask it here and I'll answer it in the FAQ.

Ignatz: Why don't you write a page on the 4 sicknesses. You're an intelligent/articulate bloke, I'm sure it'd be a great page.

[Ignatz]

. . .Ignatz: Why don't you write a page on the 4 sicknesses. . .

ok. I will probably be pretty long so maybe by next weekend.

p.s. The above was about the wiki using the Socratic method,
I would like to hear a beginner talk about being a beginner and the things that he/she learned or is learning as a beginner. It does no good for a 6 month person to parrot back stuff that he/she read about kendo when they have no understanding of it.

[shred_lord]

That'd be great :)

Cheers

[Pugtm]

ok. I will probably be pretty long so maybe by next weekend.

p.s. The above was about the wiki using the Socratic method,
I would like to hear a beginner talk about being a beginner and the things that he/she learned or is learning as a beginner. It does no good for a 6 month person to parrot back stuff that he/she read about kendo when they have no understanding of it.
well it's not like at the beginner stage we learn any concepts that people who are more experienced don't know. What do we learn when we just start; ashi sabaki and basic cuts. i don't see how we can write a page on that.

[Ignatz]

well it's not like at the beginner stage we learn any concepts that people who are more experienced don't know. What do we learn when we just start; ashi sabaki and basic cuts. i don't see how we can write a page on that.

Write what you know.
What did you learn about these basic things? It is possible that you might have an insight that somebody else might find to be usefull.
On the other hand, what is the point of offering your thoughts about things that you don't know?

[Pugtm]

thats interesting maybe a beginner FAQ or something to that effect. I could manage that. Might take a while i need to go finish my pre-cal work.

[akumalkenshi]

you can always look back into it, and see where you are now, as compared to then.

its a good reference point, and many times you can only get the right perspective when you take the time to dwell on it.

there are more good reasons as why to write about it, than not.

[ZtefaNNN[K]]

Mr. Shredo-Lordo-Mr-Roboto check your PMs.

Sadly I think that info was already given but if there´s something I could help you with, I´d be glad to do it. just ask.

[shred_lord]

There is some nice info in that PM, feel free to try and incorporate it into the techniques page, maybe by making sub-pages for each description and link from technique name through to the description page. (you'll need to be a wikispaces member to make pages I think)

I'm keeping a fairly good eye on things so I will correct any spelling errors afterwards. (Though I recommend you install a spell check into your browser)

Note to all: Please don't send things to me to be submitted (I'm a busy guy). Do it yourself. This has to be a community driven thing.

[Pugtm]

I have 1 question about the style of writing. does it have to be a formal style as is required by wikipedia or can it be more informal?

[kartoffelngeist]

Going by the style of your posts (which I assume are informal), I'd say a formal one is better. Though I don't really see much of a difference except that one is lazy...

[Ignatz]

Try starting a sentence with a capital letter and ending it with a period or perhaps a question mark or an exclamation point.

Next, you might try having one complete thought in a sentence. Two is ok from time to time but, like in kendo, less is more.

When you start feeling comfortable, try to work in a comma here and there, they are wonderful if used sparingly.

Never, ever use the dreaded semicolon.

[shred_lord]

Please write as best as you are able is a formal style. That is all. Do not be lazy. I will be more likely to delete contributions where the contributor has been obviously lazy than correct them.

Where it is plain the the contributor is trying but English is not their first language, I will be more lenient.

[Pugtm]

i didn't mean being lazy i meant does it have to be second person all the time?

[shred_lord]

I'd say yes.

[Pugtm]

another question for shred lord. Do the following words need capitalization and can you write a page on the exact format used for future reference?
Here's the list of words.
dojo
kendo
shinai
katana
iaido
sensei
rei
shinai
bokuto
bogu
thats about it for now

[Pugtm]

just out of curiosity is anyone still working on this??

[Oroshi]

None of those words need capitalisation as none of them are proper nouns.

Hepburn romanisation requires macrons to be placed over long vowels, thus:

dōjō
kendō
iaidō
bokutō
bōgu