Shinkage Ryu Kenjutsu

[kosh]

Hi folks

I saw this clip on Yourtube on Shinkage Ryu Kenjutsu. Could anyone give me any feed back on the Sensei in the vid, just out of curiosity.

Des

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czmNlnWK-m4&NR=1

[Kenshi]

This is "Noble House Kenjutsu Shinkage ryu." Here is their webpage:

http://www.noblehousekenjutsu.com/

It is nothing to do with Yagyu Shinkage-ryu Hyoho. As fas as I know it is made up.

Check out e-budo for various discussions about the group.

[menkotedo]

Could someone tell me if this is jiki shinkage ryu, cause they are using a shinai that looks like the one used in tono kata. Any info on this ryu (the one in the video) and where to find it would be apreciated. And are they doing free sparring in bogu?????? Never heard of that in kenjutsu but looks so cool.

[Kenzan]

This is "Noble House Kenjutsu Shinkage ryu." Here is their webpage:


I think I ate there once.
Good Teriyaki Chicken.
:D

[JoDuncan]

My style of aikido is headed by a Maruyama Koretoshi Sensei; he does shinkage ryu, not sure what specific school is.
Interesting thing said close to the start about reading your attacker's intention, sounds strangely familiar.

I liked the vid, thanks for the link.

[kosh]

"And are they doing free sparring in bogu?????? Never heard of that in kenjutsu but looks so cool."

This is what I thought :puzzled: At first I thought it was Kendo they were doing in addition to Kenjutsu. Some of the stuff like the sparing reminded of TSKSR, but I know that they roll there Katas into one so its not 'free sparing' (sorry folks correct me on this please)

Des

[pgsmith]

I agree with George. This group has been discussed and talked to many times over the years. They call themselves Shinkage ryu, but have no affiliation or background with any Shinkage ryu group. As far as anyone has been able to figure out, they simply made it up a number of years ago, and went from there. Does anyone remember the Chikara dojo bunch and their Sengoku classic? They also claimed to practice Shinkage ryu without any ties or relation to any Shinkage ryu group.

[Neil Gendzwill]

As a matter of fact, I got an email from one of their senior members just last week asking me to clarify why I said I couldn't recommend them. He was very polite, accepted my reasons as stuff he'd heard before, and left it at that.

[kosh]

"Does anyone remember the Chikara dojo bunch and their Sengoku classic? They also claimed to practice Shinkage ryu without any ties or relation to any Shinkage ryu group".

Yes thats right I do remember, so are these Noble house guys just another McDojo group then?

[Kaoru]

As a matter of fact, I got an email from one of their senior members just last week asking me to clarify why I said I couldn't recommend them. He was very polite, accepted my reasons as stuff he'd heard before, and left it at that.

Wow, I'm surprised. That's very good he took your reasons so well. This dojo is not on my dojo list for obvious reasons. I remember looking into them several years ago. Anyway, I was bummed to find I couldn't add them to my list.

Oh, and what's that new icon next to the quote button just to the right of it? I tried it out to see what it was, but couldn't get it to do anything. So, is it just a new, cute decoration for fun, or what? :)

Kaoru

[Neil Gendzwill]

The new icon is multi-quote. Each time you click on it, it adds a quote of the associated post into a buffer. When you finally go to post, that buffer gets put into the post. This lets you reply to several posts at once.

[Kaoru]

"Does anyone remember the Chikara dojo bunch and their Sengoku classic? They also claimed to practice Shinkage ryu without any ties or relation to any Shinkage ryu group".

Yes thats right I do remember, so are these Noble house guys just another McDojo group then?

Basically, yes. There was a huge discussion about them on e-budo a couple years ago. Just type in Noble House on e-budo and you'll be able to dig up the threads.

Anyway, seems they have much better manners than the Chikara people at least, reading what Neil-sensei said. I also don't recall any name calling and silly posturing on e-budo from them either. Chikara is, in my opinion, way below McDojo status.

Kaoru

[Kaoru]

The new icon is multi-quote. Each time you click on it, it adds a quote of the associated post into a buffer. When you finally go to post, that buffer gets put into the post. This lets you reply to several posts at once.

Hi Neil-sensei,

Thanks for explaining it!

However, I don't get it.
It adds multiple quotes how?? Do you have to high-light each quote or something? Just how do you do this? :confused:

This would be sooooo useful if I could know how to make it do that. No more cluttering up threads with multiple posts! Yay! I hate writing so many!

Sorry for being too stupid to get it!

*bow*

Kaoru

[Kenzan]

Here's what you do.
Click the "" icon for all the folks you wish to reply with a quote. The icon will turn red.
Keep doing so until all of the victims of your ire are selected.
Then click quote on the last message (or any) which you selected, and BAM!
They will all appear, in one nice and neat post, and ready for you to edit with a blast into McDojo space.
:D

[Kenshi]

Guys, its not shinkage-ryu.

If they want to create some kenjutsu thing up and practise in bogu then thats their perogative.

This dojo is not on my dojo list for obvious reasons

Is my dojo on your list?

[ScottUK]

I am looking forward to Kaoru's dojo list being made a sticky... :)

[shred_lord]

That information is simply too dangerous to be in the public domain. Kaoru must keep it secret, and only reward those who pass a rigorous sincerity test with a small part of it's greatness.

[ScottUK]

Aha. Is there keppan involved?

[shred_lord]

You've got to slice open a plum!

[ScottUK]

That sounds like a lot of hassle just to avoid Googling the local dojo...

[JoDuncan]

It seemed to my (inexperienced) eyes that they weren't doing / teaching bad things. What's got you peeps so riled up?

So these guys have absolutely no affiliation with whatever the "proper" shinkage ryu is (Yagyu?) ?

What does "shinkage" mean?

[Andrew S]

So these guys have absolutely no affiliation with whatever the "proper" shinkage ryu is (Yagyu?) ?

I believe that Yagyu Shinkage Ryu is only one recognized branch of Shinkage Ryu.

The problem is that they have no affiliation to the system they are claiming to teach. It's lying.

[Kenshi]

It's lying.

Thats the crux of this issue.

In the same vein, so are people who study "shinkage-ryu" iaido. I hear its getting a foothold in Europe now???

(just throwing that one out there...)

[ScottUK]

In the same vein, so are people who study "shinkage-ryu" iaido. I hear its getting a foothold in Europe now???

(just throwing that one out there...)I have practiced with these guys. From what I have been told, it is taken from Yagyu Seigo Ryu iai (auxiliary art within YSR curriculum?).

Try http://www.shinkageryu.nl/engindex.php for more or ask KW member Mr T.

[Kenshi]

I have practiced with these guys. From what I have been told, it is taken from Yagyu Seigo Ryu iai (auxiliary art within YSR curriculum?).

Try http://www.shinkageryu.nl/engindex.php for more or ask KW member Mr T.

Dude, did it, done it, seen the embu, got the video, and know the whole story.

Seigo-ryu not a part of the hyoho, and never was. The vast majority of hyoho practitioners dont even study it and have no interest in it. Indeed, they are not forced to. From what I know, the people who know the entire set (more kata than are taught in the Euro SR Renmei) number less than the number of fingers you have.

Whats unfortunate about the current turn of events is simple in the naming and the missunderstanding it caused/causes/is causing. The website is spot on in everything, so cant fault that. I think Gencho-sensei never imagined the current turn of events (ie internationalisation)... had he, perhaps he would have forced a rename???.... who knows (I cerainly dont).

Nice website btw.

[ScottUK]

Interesting stuff.

While I have no interest in chasing koryu kata, do you know of a listing of the YSR kata so I can appreciate the size of the syllabus? If publicly delicate, a PM is cool...

[Kenshi]

Interesting stuff.
While I have no interest in chasing koryu kata, do you know of a listing of the YSR kata so I can appreciate the size of the syllabus? If publicly delicate, a PM is cool...

YSR is shinkage or seigo... ? assuming its the latter dont worry, its not "delicate" as far as I know. Anyway, im out of that world. Its less than 50 and more than 40. Ive got the whole thing on vid somewhere in a loft in Edinburgh. The Euro "SR" guys say 35 of their website.

There is no duplicity in what they are doing, and the naming isnt their fault at all. People who look from outside will assume its something other than what it is however. Also - it seems - that people who are currently practising it think it is somehow YSRHH, when - as far as my understanding is - it certainly is not. It has nothing to do with the hyoho.

Its a shame they didnt call it just "seigo ryu."

I could add more, but im not really qualified too... so my opinion/thoughs on the matter dont really count for much. Next time you come to Osaka maybe.

[ScottUK]

Well, I think it best that I take all questions I have of the real Yagyu arts to email/PM so I don't clutter up this Noble McShinkage Ryu issue up. :)

[Kenshi]

All you need to remember is that im more than a pretty face.

[ScottUK]

Never considered the possibilty before... :D

[Kenshi]

Use yourself as the measure... youll get my drift.

[ScottUK]

Not a bad comeback for a pict. I will concede to that one and get the beers in next April... :)

Anyway, back to the thread... what's with Noble House's multicoloured keikogi?

[Kenshi]

Anyway, back to the thread... what's with Noble House's multicoloured keikogi?

Dont care.

If you are going to call your dojo after a James Clavell novel (http://www.amazon.com/Noble-House/dp/0440164834/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-6955435-8311112?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181140384&sr=8-1) personally I would have picked this one (http://www.amazon.com/King-Rat-James-Clavell/dp/0385333765/ref=pd_bbs_sr_8/104-6955435-8311112?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181140313&sr=8-8).

[ScottUK]

"One Did Sonkyo in the Cuckoo's Nest Dojo" - got a certain ring to it, eh?

[Kenshi]

"One Did Sonkyo in the Cuckoo's Nest Dojo" - got a certain ring to it, eh?

I thought it was "One got tsukied in the Cuckoo's Nest" ... but I could be wrong.

Anyway, bed away too I must.

[Kenzan]

....must keep it secret, and only reward those who pass a rigorous sincerity test with a small part of it's greatness.

I take it that like me, you're married too.

Poor bastard.
:D