Kumdo

[mancubus73]

well, ive been trying to find a decent kendo dojo here in las vegas and it doesnt seem like its gonna happen,

so, it seems i must resort to kumdo

but, im gonna feel like crap learning kumdo because its kendo that i really wanted to learn... so anyway, to the point

isnt kumdo like a direct cheap ripoff of kendo? thats what it looks like and if thats true im gonna have to retire my search for the martial art until (god knows when) another kendo dojo randomly pops up somewhere

as far as the section, i have no idea where i was supposed to put this, so moderaters, move it where u wish

[Anime12478]

Kendo and Kumdo are pretty much the same thing save for a few differences in terminology, focus and customs. You can do Kumdo now and it would be completely transferrable to a Kendo dojo if you happen to move somewhere that has it.

[ahmed61086]

well, ive been trying to find a decent kendo dojo here in las vegas and it doesnt seem like its gonna happen,

so, it seems i must resort to kumdo

but, im gonna feel like crap learning kumdo because its kendo that i really wanted to learn... so anyway, to the point

isnt kumdo like a direct cheap ripoff of kendo? thats what it looks like and if thats true im gonna have to retire my search for the martial art until (god knows when) another kendo dojo randomly pops up somewhere

as far as the section, i have no idea where i was supposed to put this, so moderaters, move it where u wish

Wow, you just totally disrespected a lot of people on this forum. Nice JOB!

Anyway, to the point. Kendo and Kumdo are the same. One is not a cheap rip off of the other.

I practice kumdo, and you can ask anyone on this board that knows my Dojang or me, that we aren't a cheap rip-off. We actually just won the Team tournament in the last AEUSK tournament. :smoker:

[bpaang]

before this turns into a kumdo/kendo discussion:

1.)kumdo is just the korean word for kendo derived from the same chinese characters.
2.) Kumdo's main association, the Korean Kumdo Association is a member of Kendo's IKF, and so the majority of kumdo dojangs in the US are recognized as certified schools by the other kendo dojos in the same country.
3.) The techniques are pretty much the same, but it's the styles that can be easily recognized as different when you watch a kumdo match vs. a kendo match. However, when you start watching the high level professional matches amongst japanese and korean senseis and sabumneems, there's no longer any real difference, seeing as they often practice with each other anyways.

If you're going to feel like crap learning from a kumdojang instead, then just don't go, but you should probably know what more about what you're judging before you make any final statements.

[verissimus]

isnt kumdo like a direct cheap ripoff of kendo?

Google is your friend.

[Jin509]

whats wrong with kumdo??
i moved from kendo to kumdo and i see no big difference between the two. im not offended or anything...but i think you're misguided.

[mancubus73]

Wow, you just totally disrespected a lot of people on this forum. Nice JOB!

Anyway, to the point. Kendo and Kumdo are the same. One is not a cheap rip off of the other.

I practice kumdo, and you can ask anyone on this board that knows my Dojang or me, that we aren't a cheap rip-off. We actually just won the Team tournament in the last AEUSK tournament. :smoker:

i didnt mean any offense
if you all would have noticed, i was asking question not making a statement

[mancubus73]

before this turns into a kumdo/kendo discussion:

1.)kumdo is just the korean word for kendo derived from the same chinese characters.
2.) Kumdo's main association, the Korean Kumdo Association is a member of Kendo's IKF, and so the majority of kumdo dojangs in the US are recognized as certified schools by the other kendo dojos in the same country.
3.) The techniques are pretty much the same, but it's the styles that can be easily recognized as different when you watch a kumdo match vs. a kendo match. However, when you start watching the high level professional matches amongst japanese and korean senseis and sabumneems, there's no longer any real difference, seeing as they often practice with each other anyways.

If you're going to feel like crap learning from a kumdojang instead, then just don't go, but you should probably know what more about what you're judging before you make any final statements.

i didnt make a statement, i asked a question

[mancubus73]

i found this...

http://www.geocities.jp/bxninjin2004/

kinda why i used the word ripoff

[yoda-waza]

i didnt make a statement, i asked a question

What? You're innocent? It seems to me you asked a back-handed question and then immediately answered it yourself with some pretty derogatory conjecture. Kumdo/kendo - there's just not enough difference to fret over, unless you're concerned with nationalistic issues that shouldn't affect your training regimen anyway. If they have qualified instructors, you should try it before making a judgement.

[mancubus73]

What? You're innocent? It seems to me you asked a back-handed question and then immediately answered it yourself with some pretty derogatory conjecture. Kumdo/kendo - there's just not enough difference to fret over, unless you're concerned with nationalistic issues that shouldn't affect your training regimen anyway. If they have qualified instructors, you should try it before making a judgement.

not to sound stupid and uneducated but i didnt really understand the meaning of that because of the words you used

[gir]

Hmmm such a devisive topic :silly:

Kumdo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumdo
Kendo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendo

I think it is important to realise that all Kendo isn't the same. You have Dojo that are more sport Oriented, some that are more traditional etc so there is a wide ammount of variation even within Kendo and I would imagine within Kumdo as well. The only way you will ever know is by attending some of the training and watching. After all we are all in Kendo (Kumdo if thats your lean) to get out of it what we want and you need to find a dojo that provides what you want.

[gir]

People often go on and on about cultural invasion blah blah blah. But. It is a fact of life. In Australia we play Cricket - English but even then maybe earlier somewhere else. Japan - has a lot of Baseball yet that was "introduced" by the ocupational forces at the end of WW2. While political issues surrounding when these things are introduced are tricky and hotly debated there is no need to take that out on people who want to participate in a sport/art. In the end does it really matter where it came from? If it gives you what you want from it who cares? After all, How many of us here are actually say.... Japanese? Should that make a difference? Japanese people study at Kumdo dojo (Or whatever the term is they use - cant remember and too lazy to scroll back :P) and Korean people study at Kendo dojo, leave the politics alone...

[ahmed61086]

Basically, that person that put up that website is obviously a retard. :)

That is the perfect example of a one-sided, biased, and misleading article written by someone who obviously realy doesn't know anything about kendo or kumdo. If you look at the website its just a Korean hater posting random ish.

Kumdo is great. It has some small difference, and thats fine.

If it comes down to "style" the style doesn't vary anymore than it would from kendo dojo to kendo dojo, from east coast to west coast. All dojos/dojangs are different when it comes to nuances like small subtle habits picked up by students from their sensei.

Its like saying that Basketball around the world is all a copy of American "real" basketball, and that they all suck.

[gir]

Its like saying that Basketball around the world is all a copy of American "real" basketball, and that they all suck.

But they do... :laugh:

Actually at a recent AKR Dinner (At the Australian Championships this year) there was a heated debate on our table about what people wanted from Kendo. For some it was the art, for some the sport, for some the grey area between absolute perfection and respect Vs Anything to score a point

Kinda ruined the night in some ways... :ponder:

[tgsfg]

i found this...

http://www.geocities.jp/bxninjin2004/

kinda why i used the word ripoff

Did you even bother reading that website? or did you come to your conclusions after reading the title? The guy who made that website doesn't study kendo at all! His website is designed to write anti-Korean propaganda. I emailed this guy once. I asked him to give non-Japanese sources to his claims, he replied with "I give enough sources."

Everyone already told you to go try it out before making judgments. I bet you haven't even gone to the dojang to check them out.

[Kenshi]

Yeah, the guy who writes that website is quite clearly obsessed (http://www.geocities.jp/bxninjin2004/restroom/01/KoreanSolving.html).

[verissimus]

i didnt make a statement, i asked a question

You mean like this: "Aren't you an idiot?"

I'm just making a point, so don't start yelling at me. Just yet.

[yoda-waza]

not to sound stupid and uneducated but i didnt really understand the meaning of that because of the words you used
try this: you asked an insulting question but answered it yourself by trashing something you have no experience with. understand?

(if not, you really should not be hit over the head anymore with a stick.)

[Sparv]

I think that there might have been too much flaming here: from what I read, I think that mancubus73 made a fast google search, found a website, and because he wasn't sure the site was good, asked his question here. The lack of human contact caused by internet, plus a mistake in the way he expressed his question caused the following flaming. And mancubus73 apologized for the offence caused.

The "pilling on the newbies" thread should have been read. I'm not sure this thread give a good image of the kendo/kumdo community.

[mancubus73]

well, i cant find a good dojo for kendo OR kumdo so i just have put it on hold.
however, muay thai is also and interest of mine, and it just so happens that there one of the best schools in the world here in vegas

http://www.mastertoddy.com/default.html

hopefully some sort of decent kendo dojo will open within the next few years

[Alison2805]

you cant find a "good" dojo in vegas? Someone tell me this is balderdash....

[Dervish]

you cant find a "good" dojo in vegas? Someone tell me this is balderdash....

Nah, this is Balderdash!

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9951/mab9176av0.jpg

[Mr. T.]

well, i cant find a good dojo for kendo OR kumdo so i just have put it on hold.
however, muay thai is also and interest of mine, and it just so happens that there one of the best schools in the world here in vegas

http://www.mastertoddy.com/default.html

hopefully some sort of decent kendo dojo will open within the next few years

To say it's one of the best schools in the world is a bit of an overstatement don't you think. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they’re a mcgym, but... man that's one cheesy intro

I've got some serious problems with the site, he's called "grandmaster", I really hope he didn't write the text of site. And who are those 40 world champions? I'm not kicking him down, I'm really curious, not even the big gyms in the Netherlands like Mejiro have produced that many champions and we are a nation with a serious amount of good kick boxers (including MT).

At least he has real fighters, so it's definitely worth checking out.

[mancubus73]

To say it's one of the best schools in the world is a bit of an overstatement don't you think. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they’re a mcgym, but... man that's one cheesy intro

I've got some serious problems with the site, he's called "grandmaster", I really hope he didn't write the text of site. And who are those 40 world champions? I'm not kicking him down, I'm really curious, not even the big gyms in the Netherlands like Mejiro have produced that many champions and we are a nation with a serious amount of good kick boxers (including MT).

At least he has real fighters, so it's definitely worth checking out.

dude its master toddys gym. ya, i had a list of a some of his world champions.
look on the net. yes, the intro is cheesy as hell though haha


you cant find a "good" dojo in vegas? Someone tell me this is balderdash....

no fuckin balderdash, theres 1 dojo in the entire city, and they have like 2 students.


I think that there might have been too much flaming here: from what I read, I think that mancubus73 made a fast google search, found a website, and because he wasn't sure the site was good, asked his question here. The lack of human contact caused by internet, plus a mistake in the way he expressed his question caused the following flaming. And mancubus73 apologized for the offence caused.

The "pilling on the newbies" thread should have been read. I'm not sure this thread give a good image of the kendo/kumdo community.

thx man :D

[pgsmith]

mancubus73,
Please try and be aware of the fact that you're getting mildly flamed because of your attitude, not your inquiries. This is NOT a kid's chat room, so we would greatly appreciate it if you would not treat it as such. Research your subjects. Coherently form your questions. Take the time to use proper spelling and punctuation in your responses. If you cannot be bothered to do that, I'm afraid that the people on this forum will either continue to give you a hard time, or simply ignore you completely.

For what it's worth, I believe that the Desert Wind Dojo teaches kendo out in Las Vegas, but I've never actually talked with anyone from there.

[mancubus73]

mancubus73,
Please try and be aware of the fact that you're getting mildly flamed because of your attitude, not your inquiries. This is NOT a kid's chat room, so we would greatly appreciate it if you would not treat it as such. Research your subjects. Coherently form your questions. Take the time to use proper spelling and punctuation in your responses. If you cannot be bothered to do that, I'm afraid that the people on this forum will either continue to give you a hard time, or simply ignore you completely.

For what it's worth, I believe that the Desert Wind Dojo teaches kendo out in Las Vegas, but I've never actually talked with anyone from there.

i dont care what you think. theres nothing wrong with my attitude. I dont treat is as a kids chat room. theres no need to worry and spelling and punctuation on the net if it gets the question or the point across. I highly doubt that anyone really cares about my grammar in responses. I know that desert wind teaches kendo, they dont seem very sporty and serious so i was concidering joining kumdo to get training instead, which is where i brought up the subject. cool your jets and if your not gonna help then get off the topic

[pgsmith]

i dont care what you think. theres nothing wrong with my attitude.
Well, I thought I was being quite reasonable in trying to assist you, but I guess that's not what you're after. Well, can't say I didn't try. I'm always glad when school starts back up in the fall though. :)

PLONK!

[nikozamo]

i think the kumdo problem, isn`t really a problem, i have chilean sensei, korean sensei and japanese sensei... and really the mix of the ''3 kinds'' of kendo... do a very good job togheter:smoker:. i think this is just a kendo-political problem between japan and korea, nothing more.

[mancubus73]

Well, I thought I was being quite reasonable in trying to assist you, but I guess that's not what you're after. Well, can't say I didn't try. I'm always glad when school starts back up in the fall though. :)

PLONK!

to bad i just graduated

[rainmaker]

From Kindergaten ???

Just incase you don't understand Kindergarten, this is the meaning of Kindergarten..

"form of education for young children which serves as a transition from home to the commencement of more formal schooling. Children are taught to develop basic skills through creative play and social interaction. "


to bad i just graduated

[Saigo]

I find that kumdo tends to be more sport and focused on winning at any costs but not all kumdo dojos and for some people they like that philosophy better, personally i am more traditional.

[tgsfg]

to bad i just graduated
Do they not have an exit exam in Las Vegas? Trust me, people care about punctuation and spelling. You sound like a stupid child, and no one will take you seriously. Have you tried going to this Desert Wind Dojo? Do yourself a favor, quickly find out the highly respected people of this forum and try not to piss them off. Mr. Smith is one of those people on this forum that you don't want to piss off.


I find that kumdo tends to be more sport and focused on winning at any costs but not all kumdo dojos and for some people they like that philosophy better, personally i am more traditional.

I think this is also because a lot of kumdo dojangs are run by senseis who runs the dojo as a career. From what I've heard, most kendo dojos are taught by senseis teaching as a hobby. I would want my students to win a lot too if I was trying to make a living from teaching kendo.

[Saigo]

Do they not have an exit exam in Las Vegas? Trust me, people care about punctuation and spelling. You sound like a stupid child, and no one will take you seriously. Have you tried going to this Desert Wind Dojo? Do yourself a favor, quickly find out the highly respected people of this forum and try not to piss them off. Mr. Smith is one of those people on this forum that you don't want to piss off.



I think this is also because a lot of kumdo dojangs are run by senseis who runs the dojo as a career. From what I've heard, most kendo dojos are taught by senseis teaching as a hobby. I would want my students to win a lot too if I was trying to make a living from teaching kendo.
And *Some* not all senseis that have a dojo for a living they have to work on getting alot of people to train and the ones that do it for a hobby just work on training the ones they have.