MUSASHI's style Question

[Sephiroth_]

hello everyone
i am new to here.....
i wanna learn kendo ...and i wanna learn musashi's way
the HNIR
the question is
is it true that i can only learn that in japan if i am in asia??
and after i learn it can i use this style in a match or competition??
thanks

[Martino]

is it true that i can only learn that in japan if i am in asia??
No, But
Musashi's way as you refere to it is an advance style. You first need to do the generic kendo style for 3 to 5 years (depending on how often you train).
After that time you have the basic skills and can speclise.

and after i learn it can i use this style in a match or competition??
Yes, mostly some rules have been introduce to make things fairer.

head to the dojo section and follow the links to find a dojo nearest you. Its almost to easy. :)
enjoy

[Kingofmyrrh]

is it true that i can only learn that in japan if i am in asia??
No, But
Musashi's way as you refere to it is an advance style. You first need to do the generic kendo style for 3 to 5 years (depending on how often you train).
After that time you have the basic skills and can speclise.

and after i learn it can i use this style in a match or competition??
Yes, mostly some rules have been introduce to make things fairer.

head to the dojo section and follow the links to find a dojo nearest you. Its almost to easy. :)
enjoy

Some people are about to jump all over you!

[Newbie]

*laf* Promise not to jump. Musashi was, to be blunt, a freak as far as martial arts is concerned. I mean - never lost a duel? How many can say they've never lost a shiai?! But even he had years of experience before developing "nito" which is the two sword style you're probably thinking of. You can learn nito kendo eventually but you want many, many years under your belt first.


and after i learn it can i use this style in a match or competition??
Yes, mostly some rules have been introduce to make things fairer.

Someone at our Nationals was using nito, weren't they?

[Hisham]

Some people are about to jump all over you!

I guess he was talking about the Musashikai gang. Nevertheless you're right, he's walking on a mine-field with his explanation of HNIR :paranoid::D

[JoDuncan]

is it true that i can only learn that in japan if i am in asia??


Ummmm, where do you think Japan is? You kinda have to be in Asia in order to be in Japan. :p

Just taking the piss. Investigating the potential troll...

[Kenshi]

I reckon in a kendo situation I could take Musashi out.

[nico storm]

Ummmm, where do you think Japan is? You kinda have to be in Asia in order to be in Japan. :p

Just taking the piss. Investigating the potential troll...

Ah! but you dont have to be Japan to be in Asia!

[Sephiroth_]

i am in HOng Kong,,,,,i realli wanna learn his way after reading the book of 5 rings
maybe i still need time to study the book
but i am serious ...i realli wanna learn and master it!

[Sephiroth_]

yo man....
Musashi is someone that i respect
plz don't make fun of Musashi
and i believe not only me ...there are a lot of ppl who respect Musashi

[Sephiroth_]

*laf* Promise not to jump. Musashi was, to be blunt, a freak as far as martial arts is concerned. I mean - never lost a duel? How many can say they've never lost a shiai?! But even he had years of experience before developing "nito" which is the two sword style you're probably thinking of. You can learn nito kendo eventually but you want many, many years under your belt first.



Someone at our Nationals was using nito, weren't they?

yo...it is different during that time....
that time losing a duel is like losing yr life......
it is not like today......

[Kenshi]

Musashi was - as far as we know - pretty much a serial killer (60 people). This was done in peace-time, not war. Is this someone you wish to emulate? Sure, he may have changed his ways or even repented in his later life, but how can that atone for the people he killed and the families he destroyed?

This is from wikipedias intro paragraph to "serial killer" :

A serial killer is a person who kills three or more people in three or more separate events over a period of time including an "emotional cooling-off" period in between the homicides. The cooling-off period may last days, weeks, months, or even years. Many serial killers are psychopaths, considered to have a personality disorder and not psychosis, and thus appear to be quite normal and often even charming, a state of adaptation which Hervey Cleckley calls the "mask of sanity." There is sometimes a sexual element to the murders. The murders may have been completed/attempted in a similar fashion and the victims may have had something in common, for example occupation, race, sex, etc.

A murderer is a murderer, time and space will not change that.

[nico storm]

This topic may have just taken an interesting turn, I cant decide if want to watch or not!

[Kenshi]

hah hah, please watch!!

I think not many people think about things like this... but its obvious to me that Musashi was - in our time and in his time - a murderer. Mass, serial, whatever.... he was not a nice person. Unless you can kill 60 people with a sharp instrument and remain Mother Theresa-like.

Anybody wish to provide evidence or even arguments for the contrary then please go ahead.

[nico storm]

But can you judge him and his action by modern day values and cultural morals? Society has changed dramatically over the years between his death and today. How many of those who died by his sword attacked him first?

Is an agreed dual between 2 consenting parties OK? By todays laws and values no, but then? We will never understand full what it was like to be a samurai, and we will never understand fully what life was like then, because we never lived it!

And Im going to stop now, because I am in no way knoledgeable enough about Musashi or Historical Japanese/Samurai culture, but that was my 2p's worth!

[kartoffelngeist]

And Im going to stop now, because I am in no way knoledgeable enough about Musashi or Historical Japanese/Samurai culture, but that was my 2p's worth!

If only more people round here would use that logic...

Not aimed at anyone in particular, or even this thread...

[nico storm]

If only more people round here would use that logic...

Not aimed at anyone in particular, or even this thread...

Yeah but isnt it the people who dont that keep forums like these buzzing? otherwise it would be a very "british", pleasant, stiff upper lip and what not type boring forum :ponder:

[tyler]

First, a distinction- a murderer is separate from a serial killer. A serial killer is necessarily also a murderer, but not vice versa, so we can’t really use them interchangeably. Musashi and countless of his contemporaries took lives on purpose, so no argument there, they were murderers. This is tempered by the fact that at that time, murder was simply a much more common and accepted fact of daily life. Samurai had the right to take the lives of peasants who didn’t give them props, so a lot of the weight that the term carries in a modern context just isn’t there when taking a ride on your back-in-the-day-cycle

As for serial killer – I have to differ. Too little is actually known about the guy to even do any good guesswork about whether he suffered from any mental illness, but for me the key factor is that he peeled domes in duels, as opposed to hunting victims. He fought people who had agreed to fight back, which meant possibly getting killed himself, and that is behavior that serial killers simply don’t display.

Most case studies of serial killers show that its often about power, about feeling powerful and exercising power over victims. Its not uncommon for serial killers to take trophies and do things to the corpse which hold personal meaning. They have varying degrees of organization and functionality. Many come undone and are captured, some lay low for years and re-activate --- but I don’t think they retire to caves to jot down treatises which go on to yield such myriad interpretations and successful extrapolations that they are puzzled over and studied several hundred years later.


So, I’m not down with worshiping the guy. He murdered, albeit a lot, but in my opinion he doesn’t fit the serial killer bill.

[Sephiroth_]

u are wrong about sth....
it is still war period during that time...

[nico storm]

I have a question relating to the initial post, one that I should probably know the answer to but unfortunately don't :confused: But do Nito Kendo techniques relate to Niten Ichi Ryu kenjutsu techniques, either purposefully, or just through chance?

[Sephiroth_]

can i learn it in HK???
can someone tell me plz!?

[Ignatz]

I reckon in a kendo situation I could take Musashi out.

I would shoot hin in the knees.

[Kenshi]

So, I’m not down with worshiping the guy. He murdered, albeit a lot, but in my opinion he doesn’t fit the serial killer bill.

Cool. Im deliberalty being devils advocate here in case its not obvious!!

I must admit that I particularly dont like hero worship though.. of any form.. and particularly not of dubious characters.


I have a question relating to the initial post, one that I should probably know the answer to but unfortunately don't :confused: But do Nito Kendo techniques relate to Niten Ichi Ryu kenjutsu techniques, either purposefully, or just through chance?

2 sword techniques are found in lots or koryu schools, some older and far more complex/complete than niten-ichi-ryu. Whether 2 swords were ever really used in combat is also questionable.... perhaps thats a development from dojo/bokuto kata training, who knows.


I would shoot hin in the knees.

Good idea!


u are wrong about sth....
it is still war period during that time...
and i dun think he is a serial killer...
he dun realli kill ppl .....
he juz killed them during the duel...which is different
and it is said that not all 60 ppl die in the duel
some are juz injured...
if he realli wanna kill ppl.....he can kill those right away
the point is clear.....when he win he will stop
so killing would not be always needed...

Please do some more research.

[Sephiroth_]

i did ...it is still war time==

[tokon]

hah hah, please watch!!

I think not many people think about things like this... but its obvious to me that Musashi was - in our time and in his time - a murderer. Mass, serial, whatever.... he was not a nice person. Unless you can kill 60 people with a sharp instrument and remain Mother Theresa-like.

Anybody wish to provide evidence or even arguments for the contrary then please go ahead.

Well, that´s modern arrogant art of comparing differrent cultures and different eras! If you want to learn about a historical era, try to observe it
with the eyes of that time.
Yes, you are right! In our time he would be a murderer even in Japan! But his living era was during the end of the Sengoku-jidai (The Warring States period) and its ending with the Battle of Sekigahara ... a truly cruel & martially period. But most important, he was a bushi! Born to became a warrior, educated in swordtechniques since his childhood, having no sence of guilt and having a feeling of being a part of the leading social class. He was a samurai, and as a samurai he was able to chop of the head of a poor farmer legally by lacking sufficiant respect. That would be no killing, this power was his right only by being a samurai! .... There's no way to compare that to our time!
Having legal duels to death was common in his period, they were even desired among swordmasters. He fought 60 men in duels, and he left them as a living man.
Well speaking about Musashi in our period is about his techniques and his efforts becoming a perfect swordfighter. He had chosen a hard life, with longlife training focused on swordmanship. His will is admirable and his stamina chasing his living goals also. It´s not about the killing! The legal killing was part of his llife and his period, but not of ours!

[nico storm]

can i learn it in HK???
can someone tell me plz!?

If it is Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu you are looking to study, I think you are out of luck. As far as I am aware the links on this page (http://www.hyoho.com/wlinks.htm)are the only genuine dojos, if there are any dojo's other than these as far as I am aware it does not have the authority of Iwami Toshio sensei, the 11th Soke of HNIR and should be avoided.

However if it is Nito Kendo techniques you are interested in, I cannot answer!

[Sephiroth_]

ok... thanks the helping me
i am not out of luck
it is juz a test for me
if i realli want to learn it
i should go to japan
and learn it there

[JoDuncan]

Ah! but you dont have to be Japan to be in Asia!


Well done.

To the original poster, go try out your local kendo / iaido clubs to see if there's anything there that takes your fancy. Then after you have the sword kihon (basics) and you want to, make your pilgrimage to Japan! :)

[kartoffelngeist]

u are wrong about sth....
it is still war period during that time...
and i dun think he is a serial killer...
he dun realli kill ppl .....
he juz killed them during the duel...which is different
and it is said that not all 60 ppl die in the duel
some are juz injured...
if he realli wanna kill ppl.....he can kill those right away
the point is clear.....when he win he will stop
so killing would not be always needed...
Please do some more research.

Never research, get a dictionary. If you put effort into writing posts, people will put effort into reading them. :)

God, I sound like my old English teacher telling me my handwriting was pish...

[Sephiroth_]

Never research, get a dictionary. If you put effort into writing posts, people will put effort into reading them. :)

God, I sound like my old English teacher telling me my handwriting was pish...

sorry guys-- i didn't use english for a long time
my grammar sucks!
dun worry everything thing will be fine ...after i am back to school

[Sephiroth_]

is there any video for Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu ?
and i realli wanna ask
is it realli the hardest style to master??

[Kenshi]

I am not a psychologist nor anthropologist but - I bet - that as long as our species has been in its current form taking the life of another of our species has generally not been seen or felt as a good thing. We dont need an omniprecent being to tell us this, and we probably dont need some psuedo-samurai prostletyzing either. Its just common sense. Musashi and his ilk were pretty much the same as us. Im tempted to say ARE, because there is a chance that an atom that made up part of him is also in you right now. It could be in a cell in your eye, or part of your rectum, or any place in between.

In the age where Musashi was duelling "war" was not common place [ Sekigahara (1600) The Winter and Summer battles of Osaka (1614/5) Shimabara Rebellion (1638).. "war" seems to be more prevelant now ]. I dont know why he followed the path he did.... perhaps it was for fame, money, girls, a nice horse, the latest funky fundoshi design, or some prestige.. or perhaps he liked killing people. None of which we can know now. But of this im pretty certain: his feelings (if not his understanding) were not far different from ours today.

Anyway, guten nacht.

[ZealUK]

Hi George,

The line of argument you're following lumps together a lot of koryu ryuso, not just Musashi. Sure, there's a lot of war in the world today, but how many people can say they have really experienced it?

People are made of the same stuff today as they were back then, but the circumstances we live in are a great deal more comfortable.

Anyway typhoon is coming in. Perhaps you'll get the tail end of it on Sunday night....

[gir]

Someone at our Nationals was using nito, weren't they?

Yeah. And it was hilarious to see him knocked out. Especially with a Men strike :laugh: I laugh every time I remember that cut....

[ScottUK]

is there any video for Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu ?
and i realli wanna ask
is it realli the hardest style to master??No, and no. There are much more complex ryuha out there. HNIR is pretty 'to the point' though.

Musashi the murderer? Nope. Being a shugyosha in Musashi's day did not make them murderers. At least, no more than Bokuden, Gonnosuke, Ittosai, Munenori, Chiba, Jubei etc etc.

[Oroshi]

I hope someone (Scott?:D) could also clarify whether or not HNIR has anything to do with nito kendo. Am I right in thinking they're completely unrelated?

[ScottUK]

Yep. Completely...

[Kenzan]

First, a distinction- a murderer is separate from a serial killer. A serial killer is necessarily also a murderer, but not vice versa, so we can’t really use them interchangeably. Musashi and countless of his contemporaries took lives on purpose, so no argument there, they were murderers. This is tempered by the fact that at that time, murder was simply a much more common and accepted fact of daily life.


I think the mistake here is to pass judgment on the morality systems of former eras and cultures based upon current standards of commonly accepted social values.
Some of the sins of yesterday are the virtues of today, and vice versa.
The values of peoples living at those times belong to another age, and another
culture.

It's a bit pointless to categorize what motivated them in anything they did on a personal, day to day level, unless it is to judge them based upon the general expectation of morality at the time period and culture in which they lived.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Sephiroth, I don't think you've been given quite a clear enough answer here. Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu (HNIR) is the school founded by Musashi. It is not a competitive sparring art but rather a traditional school. Contrary to most people's belief, it teaches mainly how to use one sword, although it does have two-sword kata. "Niten ichi" means "two heavens as one", not "two swords as one". It is headquartered in Japan, but there are a few people kicking about in other places who teach it (Canada, for one). To the best of my knowledge, there's nobody in Hong Kong teaching HNIR.

Nito kendo (sometimes called nito ryu) is a different animal. Nito is the use of two bamboo swords (one short, one long) and is a style of modern kendo. It is not related to HNIR. It is used in competitive sparring. It is taught all over the world, although good teachers are hard to come by. You might find a teacher in Hong Kong, or you might not. The common opinion is that you should start to learn kendo with one sword, and then move on to two when your teacher says you're ready. What "ready" is can vary a lot.

[Sephiroth_]

thanks for the answer Neil and Scott
Scott may i know the difference between nito ryu
and the HNIR??

and thanks again for everyone here giving me the imformation and details.

[Sephiroth_]

It is mentioned in the book of the 5 rings :"If you hold a sword with both hands, it is difficult to wield it freely to left and right, so my method is to carry the sword in one hand. This does not apply to large weapons such as the spear or halberd, but swords and companion swords can be carried in one hand."

do does it mean that their one sword teaching only uses one hand to hold the sword? or still 2?

[yotsuba]

do does it mean that their one sword teaching only uses one hand to hold the sword? or still 2?

I think you need to go out there and visit some dojos, buddy. I'm wondering if you even know what you're getting into. Mr. Neil just told you the difference between HNIR and nito ryu, and it's clear HNIR is almost out of the question for you unless you want to go to Japan. Your best bet, if you're really determined about this, is to join kendo, and if after a couple of years you're still into it, search for a sensei who's willing to teach you nito ryu.

Visit some sword dojos; see what kendo and iaido are all about. You have lots of questions, and I think maybe you would be better off having a sensei answer them face to face instead of online.

http://www.hongkongkendo.com/

The HKKA is apart of IKF, so they would be the association you want to see.

[Sephiroth_]

yea i will be going there tmr
thanks for the answer

[Sephiroth_]

yea after i finish my training and learning in HK
i am going to japan for HNIR
cuz i am still young=)

[Togashi Yokuni]

Just to add my two centavos worth, there is at least one sensei in the Varja Kendo Club (an affiliate of the HongKong Kendo Association) who does nito. Went up against him in keiko a couple of years back, during the 2005 shinsa. And to my admittedly inexperienced eyes, his nito was beautiful. Very smooth, with both arms in continuous dynamic motion always. AND he took up alternative kamae...probably just to give me a taste of what else you can do with nito. :)

Togashi

[Kenshi]

Morning. The typhoon is still weak here... but its raining nevertheless. Its good to walk through the rain after asageiko!


The line of argument you're following lumps together a lot of koryu ryuso, not just Musashi. Sure, there's a lot of war in the world today, but how many people can say they have really experienced it?


Musashi the murderer? Nope. Being a shugyosha in Musashi's day did not make them murderers. At least, no more than Bokuden, Gonnosuke, Ittosai, Munenori, Chiba, Jubei etc etc.

I believe anyone who looked/looks for people to fight and then kill them is, basically, a murderer. I also believe that this hasnt changed since our species reached the level of consciousness it is at now (a v.long time ago). Hiding it behing "im studying the way" or whatever doesnt cut it in my book. Nor does hiding it behind politics, race, creed, oil, money, women, whatever... in that time or ours.

Some of the people mentioned above did it more than others. Sekishusai (Munenori) didnt kill anyone as far as we (I) know.. but thats beside the point. To tell you the truth, I have v.little interest in Musashi nowadays bar his Robin-Hood-like story. He just happens to be the person who was mentioned. But, as stated, you could pick from a large body of people and insert their name. The argument still stands for discussion.

I think regular readers here know im all for the de-mystification of kendo... and this is a great example.

[Sephiroth_]

Just to add my two centavos worth, there is at least one sensei in the Varja Kendo Club (an affiliate of the HongKong Kendo Association) who does nito. Went up against him in keiko a couple of years back, during the 2005 shinsa. And to my admittedly inexperienced eyes, his nito was beautiful. Very smooth, with both arms in continuous dynamic motion always. AND he took up alternative kamae...probably just to give me a taste of what else you can do with nito. :)

Togashi

whats the name of this sensei?

[ScottUK]

It is mentioned in the book of the 5 rings [snip] does it mean that their one sword teaching only uses one hand to hold the sword? or still 2?Don't try and read too much into it until you practice the seiho.


I believe anyone who looked/looks for people to fight and then kill them is, basically, a murderer. I also believe that this hasnt changed since our species reached the level of consciousness it is at now (a v.long time ago). Hiding it behing "im studying the way" or whatever doesnt cut it in my book. Nor does hiding it behind politics, race, creed, oil, money, women, whatever... in that time or ours.Interesting stuff (oil hehe) but to stay with Musashi briefly, it is understood that after the Ganryu Island
party, his mindset changed and very few of his combats ended with a mortality. When a fight ends in a death, the only way to test your skills was to survive by beating (killing) the other guy. When you get good enough to just stop the other guy from killing you by forcing a draw, why kill him? This was the latter mindset of Musashi from his 30's onwards.

[Sephiroth_]

Don't try and read too much into it until you practice the seiho.

Interesting stuff (oil hehe) but to stay with Musashi briefly, it is understood that after the Ganryu Island
party, his mindset changed and very few of his combats ended with a mortality. When a fight ends in a death, the only way to test your skills was to survive by beating (killing) the other guy. When you get good enough to just stop the other guy from killing you by forcing a draw, why kill him? This was the latter mindset of Musashi from his 30's onwards.

O thx Scott
i read most of them already!

[ScottUK]

I wasn't telling you NOT to read it, but not to try and understand too much of it too soon. Its a very complex study.

What's with your signature?

[Sephiroth_]

I wasn't telling you NOT to read it, but not to try and understand too much of it too soon. Its a very complex study.

What's with your signature?

my signature>means um
the world's number 1 流>二天一流

[ScottUK]

:rolleyes:

Your sig should be something personal to you. You have never even seen HNIR, let alone practiced it or been able to formulate an opinion on it.

[Sephiroth_]

:rolleyes:

Your sig should be something personal to you. You have never even seen HNIR, let alone practiced it or been able to formulate an opinion on it.

i swear to god i have seen it
and it is my dream to be a good HNIR user.........and i will try my every best to learn it.......
and make myself the best!
i am gonna start kendo class soon!
i will train everyday !^^

[kosh]

Sephiroth may I ask as to how old you are? If you don;t mind?

[Fred27]

i swear to god i have seen it
and it is my dream to be a good HNIR user.........and i will try my every best to learn it.......
and make myself the best!
i am gonna start kendo class soon!
i will train everyday !^^

Just DO your best, dont try to BE the best or you'll soon find yourself very frustrated.

[Hisham]

Sephiroth may I ask as to how old you are? If you don;t mind?

He/she seems to be in the beguining of his/her teen years from the way he/she writes.

[Yakaji]

:rolleyes:

Your sig should be something personal to you. You have never even seen HNIR, let alone practiced it or been able to formulate an opinion on it.

I would say it DOES seem to be something personal to him.

Seeing as his obsession with HNIR is kind of his defining character trait and all. ;)

[Big One]

Compare to an ancient Chinese General (I don't know the name in Chinese), Musashi was a baby. The Chinese General buried alive 450000 enemy soldiers after they surrender to him. Now that what I called Mass Murderer.

[Phy-san]

Musashi killed most of his 60 with a bokken

[pgsmith]

Musashi killed most of his 60 with a bokken
Prove it!

:D

[Sephiroth_]

what the==....
no i write or communicate like this on the net only==
i am 17 already.....

[Oroshi]

i swear to god i have seen it
and it is my dream to be a good HNIR user.........and i will try my every best to learn it.......
and make myself the best!
i am gonna start kendo class soon!
i will train everyday !^^

Three small things:

1) Where have you seen it?
2) Kendo and HNIR are very different arts. You can't learn any HNIR through kendo training.
3) Please enjoy kendo, and train hard, but don't treat it as just a way to get into HNIR. That's not a good reason for doing kendo.

[Sephiroth_]

i see it on the net
ok.....then i will juz learn kendo first..orz

[Kenzan]

+rep for Scott and all that hose-ness on the Beastie Boys avatar.
They are my gods, mind you.
Careful now.

:D

[Sephiroth_]

I AM A KID!!! NO!!!!!
ok i will be back when i have done sth Great!

[Fudo-Shin]

....The argument still stands for discussion...It's an interesting point and I thought this topic was worth starting it's own thread. Please come all and state your opinions here (http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?p=269444#post269444)...for posterity.

[Kaoru]

Hi!

Welcome to the forum. :)


i swear to god i have seen it


Where? There are very few legitimate Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu(HNIR) - which is NOT to be confused with Nito Ryu Kendo - dojos in the world. What country are you in? There are lots of fakes claiming to do HNIR, that exist though.



and it is my dream to be a good HNIR user.........and i will try my every best to learn it.......
and make myself the best!
i am gonna start kendo class soon!
i will train everyday !^^

Kendo won't help you to learn HNIR because they are two completely different things.

I haven't read anything before this post, so just in case nobody has told you yet, HNIR is a koryu(old school pre-Meiji sword art, that is, it was created nearly 400 years ago.) sword art. They use only bokuto in training and they do not wear armour and spar as we do in kendo. This art is a one sword art, but later using two swords at the higher levels. It was created by Musashi.

Nito Ryu just means two sword style. Other Koryu sword arts use two swords in some kata. But, in kendo, only shinai is used when learning Nito. In Kendo, one can actually spar with another when in armour. Nito Ryu/Nito Kendo has nothing to do with HNIR.

In kendo, we call it Nito Ryu or, Nito Kendo ryu. That is, two sword style or two sword kendo. This is most commonly learned once one is a higher dan level, but occassionally, someone will have the opportunity to study it, if given permission or, they have a disability meaning they must do kendo with only one arm. Usually, one can't learn Nito Kendo unless they are lucky enough to have a teacher who actually knows how to fight Nito.
This is because you can't teach yourself Nito kendo and become proficient at it or do it correctly. Besides, you need to learn how to properly and well, to use one shinai first. That will take you forever, I can promise you!

So, don't expect to be doing HNIR - Musahi's style, by learning kendo.
You'd have to join a legitimate HNIR dojo in order to do that.

IF you got yourself into a legitimate kendo dojo(no idea what country you are in.) and worked VERY hard and actually stuck with kendo for more than 5 years, you might get a chance to learn Nito Kendo if your sensei knows how to fight using Nito Kendo and says you can.

So, you should carefully consider what you are even saying and what is actually realistic.

Anyway, if you tell us where exactly you are, maybe we can help you find a good kendo dojo.

Btw, being the best is the wrong reason to want to learn HNIR or Kendo. That's pure ego and you should rid yourself of that. It won't help. Just strive to do your best. That's the way to think. Nobody is perfect, even at the highest levels. If you were to askba hachidan(8th dan-highest rank in kendo) about whether their kendo is perfect, they'd tell you it wasn't, and that they are still trying to do their best. So, don't worry about being the best. Worry about whether you are doing your best to work hard and learn.

Anyway, that's all. I hope that helps!

The above is just an overview of what I know about the basics of what HNIR and Nito Ryu/Kendo is and learned. If I've made any errors, I apologise and hope someone will correct them. Thanks.

Kaoru

[Kapplow]

I haven't read anything before this post, so just in case nobody has told you yet blah blah blah.

Ignoring everone else's posts and typing all that shows pure ego on your part. Seph has already been sorted out.

[Neil Gendzwill]

I haven't read anything before this postAnd why the hell not? It's just basic netiquette to read the contents of the thread you're posting to. Everything you've written has been said already.

[Sephiroth_]

THX!i am realli sorted out=)
but i am quite sad=( i cannot learn HNIR><
i am in HK

[Saigo]

Ignoring everone else's posts and typing all that shows pure ego on your part. Seph has already been sorted out. agreeing on that one

[Sephiroth_]

SaiGO!
u are using my pic! lolz
thx everyone for sorting me out
realli thx

[Yakaji]

And why the hell not? It's just basic netiquette to read the contents of the thread you're posting to. Everything you've written has been said already.

May be basic netiquette, but it's also usually a royal pain, especially when threads tend to diverge from the original topic and stray into realms that have little to do with it.

I tend to read through myself before posting, but frankly it's a royal pain more often than not.

[ScottUK]

i see it on the netWhere? Anything more than one technique?

Please respond without lolz, jus, thx or wanna - but you may use u as long as it is part of a word and not a word on its own.

[Neil Gendzwill]

May be basic netiquette, but it's also usually a royal pain, especially when threads tend to diverge from the original topic and stray into realms that have little to do with it.Many things that are proper are not convenient. But jumping into a conversation without at least figuring out what's going on is pretty rude. People can at least have the courtesy to not make it to obvious by saying "I can't be bothered to read what everybody else has said, just listen to me!"

That kind of behaviour can get you banned on some sites I've been to.

[Yakaji]

I am well aware it's more courteous (and am kind of stunned to find myself arguing AGAINST being more courteous - I tend to always argue for the need, since I see it lacking so often). I tend to take the perspective that providing a fresh answer to the original question is always an appreciated addition to a thread, though. (Though I must concur that it is more tactful to NOT point out that you haven't bothered reading anyone elses' posts)

From my own perspective, generally no matter how full an answer I've gotten from other posters, when I ask a question in a thread I'm usually very happy to hear everyone's opinion on the matter, even if it rehashes some of what has been said before.

If, however, someone jumped into a lively discussion about bogu and loudly proclaimed, "I like cats!" then I would find it difficult to defend the validity of their contribution.

[kartoffelngeist]

If, however, someone jumped into a lively discussion about bogu and loudly proclaimed, "I like cats!" then I would find it difficult to defend the validity of their contribution.

Do you have something against cats?

[JoDuncan]

Do you have something against cats?


no, just somethig against smart arse law students ;)

[kartoffelngeist]

no, just somethig against smart arse law students ;)

Ow, that hurts! No wonder nobody came to my birthday party!

[JoDuncan]

Potatoes have birthdays? Have you sprouted yet? ;) :p

[kartoffelngeist]

If it would let me, I'd actually have +repped you for that one...