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Kiyoshi
19th September 2003, 12:58 PM
I have 2 questions. In most sword arts Hakama are worn on the legs, but didn't samurai horsemen wear seperated short pants? What were these called? And my second question is, where could I buy a pair of these?

Jagaimo
19th September 2003, 03:35 PM
I have 2 questions. In most sword arts Hakama are worn on the legs, but didn't samurai horsemen wear seperated short pants? What were these called? And my second question is, where could I buy a pair of these?

According to this article, http://www.shindai.com/articles/hakama.htm , they are called...hakama. Wow.

As for where to buy one, cant help you there.

So what do you need one for?

Kiyoshi
22nd September 2003, 09:12 AM
According to this article, http://www.shindai.com/articles/hakama.htm , they are called...hakama. Wow.

As for where to buy one, cant help you there.

So what do you need one for?


Hmm... I didn't know they were also called Hakama... I thought the tight pants kind that only come slightly below the knee had a different name...but I forget.

xvikingx
22nd September 2003, 12:17 PM
Tight pants? The tight, (usually)white short-pants are called suteteko, if that is what you are talking about. If you mean the kind of billowy shot-pants that come to about knee height; those are also called hakama. They are just a different style.

Kiyoshi
23rd September 2003, 06:21 AM
Tight pants? The tight, (usually)white short-pants are called suteteko, if that is what you are talking about. If you mean the kind of billowy shot-pants that come to about knee height; those are also called hakama. They are just a different style.


Thanks! That was what I was looking for!

Richie224
23rd September 2003, 04:54 PM
For those that are interested you can find other types of Hakama to buy on this page http://www.shop-japan.co.jp/english-boku/hakama6.htm

Kiyoshi
24th September 2003, 11:38 AM
For those that are interested you can find other types of Hakama to buy on this page http://www.shop-japan.co.jp/english-boku/hakama6.htm

This is what I was looking fer.
http://www.pref.okayama.jp/shoei/event/sep/musashi.JPG

Saitama Steve
24th September 2003, 02:36 PM
I believe you are looking for nobakama - Field Hakama that can be worn when riding or when wearing armour. They aren't as flared as normal hakama and tend to be quite comfortable. Modern day nobakama have a zipper at the crotch.

The Dohyo cleaners at Sumo tournaments wear them during big events.

Silverleaf
29th September 2003, 12:54 AM
Modern day nobakama have a zipper at the crotch.

Now that is a brilliant insight! :) I've lost count of the number of times I've had to do my business in a hurry only to find my hakama to be an incredible hindrance!

Paburo
29th September 2003, 01:35 AM
silverleaf>> i think there is a thread around kwf about the tactics of 'going to the WC facilities without taking your hakama off', which might proof useful to you. no, i'm not going to dig into the details now :D

kiyoshi >> i dont know much about the topic, but wouldnt the hakama we use look just like that if we wrap it around the shin area? as they do in naginata, their wrapped hakamas look like that sort of.

Silverleaf
29th September 2003, 01:44 PM
silverleaf>> i think there is a thread around kwf about the tactics of 'going to the WC facilities without taking your hakama off', which might proof useful to you. no, i'm not going to dig into the details now :D.

Ooh, this I have to see!!! (rushes off to find thread). But...without taking it off? At all? This I really have to see!!!

xvikingx
30th September 2003, 09:37 AM
This is what I was looking fer.
http://www.pref.okayama.jp/shoei/event/sep/musashi.JPG

Kiyoshi, he has just got his hakama tied up.

Kiyoshi
30th September 2003, 09:58 AM
Kiyoshi, he has just got his hakama tied up.

Oh, thanks.