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Gideon
21st September 2007, 09:34 AM
This wasn't an intentional train of thought, so I'll provide a little semi-relevant background as to how this popped into my head. Also, this is a semi-philosophical thread, so please read it in its entirety (if you are gracious enoguh to do so) before forming conflusions.

A few practices ago, I began to really start to pay attention to those times in ji-keigo where I am most 'comfortable' in kamae. (still new, so always chudan). By comfortable, I don't necessarily mean that I'm physically comfortable, such as those times you're trying to compensate for being fatigued, but rather, comfortable in the sense that I feel most natural, most focused, most engaged, most alive. Then, because I am a descriptive, wordy sort of bloke, I tried putting words to it. Please note, this really was after one or two of those keiko where things just clicked in a very real way.

For me, I feel solid, immovable and powerful. I am patient - precise - intentional. I feel dense, in the way a compact spring is dense, ready to explode, but at the same time perfectly restrained. I feel as if I seek to impose my will on my opponent simply by my presence and I feel larger than I really am. I welcome the attack. If it hits me, it will not kill me, nor will it break me. My shinai is worn and heavy. (broke the lighter smoked shinai). My hits are hard, yet I am not a lumberjack. (I pride myself on my still developing tenouichi).

I am a rock.

Perhaps this is an amateur (even infantile) way to think about it. Frankly, a small lightbulb flickered a little after reading the kamae thread earlier about gedan and seeing that it had been also called the kamae of earth. for some reason, that clicks so well into those times that I feel most natural while doing kendo that I wonder if (and this is going to be extremely novice - borderline backyard ninja) a person's internal natural spirit is matched with the outward expression of kendo. The conclusion then being that a person's absolute best kendo will manifest itself when the person is assuming a kamae most similar to their natural state of being.

All of that said, please, please don't misinterpret this post as - screw you sensie, I'm going to go practice gedan now and i'll go practice chudan some other time if ever. Perhaps in thinking ahead to the time that sensei feels I am ready to really start exploring my own kendo, that is a path I take rather than going to jodan or nito like so many others...

*shrug* food for thought I suppose.

But how about you? When you're in kamae and your kendo 'clicks' - can you describe your how you feel?

Paikea
21st September 2007, 10:13 AM
Had a chance yet to keiko with Samkange-sensei? Don't show him the top of your head...

Gideon
21st September 2007, 10:16 AM
I've not yet had the honor... I've only been out in the Spokane area for a couple weeks.

I'll do my best - but it's likely that even if I don't - my men will be his.

hyuna
21st September 2007, 10:35 AM
This sounds strange, but I think when I am playing my strongest, it is as though my body is possessed by a spirit and it is not my body anymore. I don't feel any of the things that you describe. Much of the time, I do not even remember details about the match afterwards. I actually find it a little disconcerting when I think about it.

Paikea
21st September 2007, 10:47 AM
I've not yet had the honor... I've only been out in the Spokane area for a couple weeks.

I'll do my best - but it's likely that even if I don't - my men will be his.Yeah, first jigeiko I ever did outside my dojo, and he tai-ataried me onto my back and backwards about four feet. Mind you, I'm like 5-10 and 200 lbs.

If he hits you that whole "I am a rock" thing will be, well, different. Do rocks get saggy knees?

Gideon
21st September 2007, 10:54 AM
Are you going to make me write a disclaimer Paikea? C'mon man, it's a bloody metaphor! ;)

Ignatz
21st September 2007, 10:54 AM
And a rock feels no pain.

And an island never cries.

Gideon
21st September 2007, 10:56 AM
This is how Socrates must've felt... not that I don't mind Simon & Garfunkel every now and then...

skilled
21st September 2007, 11:00 AM
This sounds strange, but I think when I am playing my strongest, it is as though my body is possessed by a spirit and it is not my body anymore. I don't feel any of the things that you describe. Much of the time, I do not even remember details about the match afterwards. I actually find it a little disconcerting when I think about it.


Yeah , I love when that happens . It's kinda weird , but you know you did the best out of you :D.

Kenshi
21st September 2007, 12:35 PM
But how about you? When you're in kamae and your kendo 'clicks' - can you describe your how you feel?

Like a ninja.

Gideon
21st September 2007, 01:47 PM
why would you feel like a ninja while practicing kendo?

ahmed61086
21st September 2007, 06:33 PM
Because I am (he is) a ninja?

Hank
21st September 2007, 10:00 PM
This sounds strange, but I think when I am playing my strongest, it is as though my body is possessed by a spirit and it is not my body anymore. I don't feel any of the things that you describe. Much of the time, I do not even remember details about the match afterwards. I actually find it a little disconcerting when I think about it.Could it be mushin? I have felt this way on occasion, maybe a couple times in kendo and iaido, mainly when I used to play jam sessions with friends, sometimes while driving (when things get complicated). The conscious mind becomes somewhat detached and the body just does what it does, usually much faster and more accurately than when the meddling conscious mind is engaged. It feels nice.

Ignatz
21st September 2007, 10:30 PM
Like Thurgood Marshall, I feel with my hands.

Paikea
22nd September 2007, 12:15 AM
Are you going to make me write a disclaimer Paikea? C'mon man, it's a bloody metaphor! ;)Nope, just recalling a (truly) fond memory.

JByrd
22nd September 2007, 12:46 AM
When everything is working well, I feel like I am towering over my opponent. I feel like I have him completely outclassed, and the instant he decides to move I'll crush his seme before it can develop into a threat.

Gessho
22nd September 2007, 03:39 AM
When I am "on my game" and my kamae is good I am "there but not there." Hard to describe but my mind is spread out and my waza, such as it is for my level, is at its best.

If only I could replicate that more consistently....:confused:

ZtefaNNN[K]
22nd September 2007, 06:12 AM
Personally I feel comfortable in chuudan... when I´m in chuudan I feel like I have more tools, I have more ideas, I have a calm mind and things tend to flow more naturally than when I´ve been In jodan.... But all of this might be due to lack of experience or training. Anyway, I feel that chuudan "fits me" as a matter of style, flexibility and balance. and those practices when things go wrong and nothing seems to work I wish I´d be a ninja and vanish, but I´ve not tried the ninjer-kamae before.

hyuna
23rd September 2007, 01:38 PM
Could it be mushin?
i don't think so

i said kind of a goofy thing so maybe i should expand on it a little

normally in practice pretty much every part of my body aches after kihon drills. my feet hurt, my ankles hurt, my knees hurt, my back hurts, just about everything. i might be tired, hungry, thirsty, and panting for breath. but when i'm in the groove, i don't feel any of it until after i bow out. then, i limp over to my next match. if it isn't as good i might feel it when i go into sonkyo, or at the end of a waza when i have to turn around, or when in kamae. but when things are going well, i don't feel any of it. and it's actually a bit of a relief, honestly, but i don't notice it until afterwards when i realize how badly i feel. moreover, when i pay attention to things, i always seem to get worse. if i feel solid, generally i am too static. if i feel heavy, generally i am stiff. if i feel light, i am usually unstable. if i i feel comfortable, i usually have no seme. whatever it is, the one thing is that if i feel my body or feel the shinai in my hands, usually something is messed up. but of course in order to improve, i have to pay attention to my body and what i am doing and accept the fact that it immediately translates into me getting clobbered more. of course, it is also true that just because i don't feel anything doesn't mean i am going to do well. sometimes i am basically just daydreaming out in la-la land until my partner wakes me up.

so although it is like a feeling of detachment, i wouldn't say it is anything like mushin...