The spiritual and philosophical side of Kenjutsu

[Dark Protector]

Since this is my first post, please don't kill me if this can't be on the board. i was just wondering, How deep does the spiritual and philosophical side in Kenjutsu, and what does it consist of?

PS: Your your opion, Which is more better, japansess sword fighting, or Europen? Cause, I have a choose and I'm trying to deside between Europen/ western, and Kenjutsu. Or, if anyone could direct me to a board where they talk about kenjutsu, or diffrent types of Sword fighting, that would be fine as well.

Dark Protector

[hamish]

Your question would require a pretty long response! But a lot of the spiritual and philosophical side of things depends on who's teaching rather than the art itself.

There's a lot of crap kenjutsu out there taught under the cover of 'mystical, spiritual Japanese swordsmanship.' You're on much safer ground with kendo. What are you looking for? Better for what purpose? Why kenjutsu in particular, why not kendo?

Hamish

[Dark Protector]

Ok. I'll make a link to the web site, then, you or others can tell me waht you think ok?
Why not Kendo? I don't know if theres a place near my house. The Kenjutsu sounded good, cuz I was like studying up on it all evening, and it's swordsmenship I guess, to put my answer symply, Kendo, I was reading, makes moves, taht a real sword couldn't do, and so, taht was a disadvantage on my part, in terms to what i was looking for. Also, the webpage on Kenjutsu, i was reading, has lots of stuff to it. I like chelanges. As i put it, "waht's life without chelanges?"

Anyway, heres the link: http://www.noblehouse.afternet.com/history.html. There is ALOT on there. But, I read it in a few hours.

Dark Protector

[Dark Protector]

I guess my time for editing is gone...

Anyway. I found soemthing else that might be of use to you as you explore if the school is good or bad. http://www.noblehouse.afternet.com/activity/Newsletters/vol1issue5.html

It's from a students prospecteve. i'm not tryingto alter anything about this in any way. i just want you to get the full picture, before you make the choose to tell me if it's good or bad.

Thanks

Dark protector

[hamish]

Their web site initially looks very good, with lots of information on general history (the history of Shinkage-ryu, however, has a lot of glaring holes), the techniques in the photos leave a bit to be desired, and I couldn't find anything about the sensei, not even a name, or who he trained with. Maybe I wasn't looking hard enough, but that's usually an early warning sign.

Head over to www.e-budo.com (http://www.e-budo.com) and ask the same question there. A quick search on Noble House kenjutsu on their board and the responses there, particularly from Meik Skoss, probably one of the most experienced and qualified practitioners of Shinkage-ryu outside Japan, don't lend themselves to confidence in the legitimacy of the school.

If you want a challenge, I would recommend you give kendo a go. Its easy to find legitimate schools in Canada, and their level is very good. The basis of all kenjutsu schools is person to person combat, kendo is no different.

[Dark Protector]

Thanks. What did you mean by: "particularly from Meik Skoss, probably one of the most experienced and qualified practitioners of Shinkage-ryu outside Japan, don't lend themselves to confidence in the legitimacy of the school." I'll have to see if there are any in my area. O, and, to acsess the rest of the site I gave you, you have to the dojo orgenizations page, or whatever it's called. Even there, couldn't find a teachers name...

Dark Protector

[Neil Gendzwill]

I think Noble House's instructor's name is Yan. I don't recommend them. If you're in Edmonton or area (where Noble House is), go with the Edmonton Kendo Club (http://edmonton_kendo_club.tripod.com/).

If you're not in Edmonton, tell us where you are so that we can help you find proper instruction.

[Dark Protector]

K. Thanks. i'm in Edmonton so ya.

Dark Protector

[Kaoru]

Hi Dark Protector,

Good. You found this site. Welcome to the forum, by the way. You will be able to learn lots more about Kendo here. This forum is a valuable resource, especially if you decide to take up Kendo. :) I still recommend visiting the Kendo dojo. Have fun, if you do!

Anyway, I'm off. Let us know what you end up doing.

Kaoru

[Dark Protector]

Thanks for finding it for me. :). i'll tell you about it if i visit the dojo anytime soon. (I think I might.)

Dark Protector

[swordteacher99]

Oh thats dangerous stuff, putting down real swordwork for armor wearing bamboo sticky stuff, I hope your joking, why not just use rubber foam covered boken, or padded ones, same difference. No no, do not listen to this fellow, there is room to disagree, or there should be, and I do disagree. Kensjutsu, depending upon whos teaching, is superior, how many hear risk serious injury after all by going without armor and doing full sparring with heavy hardwoods, umm, likely few if none. No, your better with Kenjutsu ;)


Your question would require a pretty long response! But a lot of the spiritual and philosophical side of things depends on who's teaching rather than the art itself.

There's a lot of crap kenjutsu out there taught under the cover of 'mystical, spiritual Japanese swordsmanship.' You're on much safer ground with kendo. What are you looking for? Better for what purpose? Why kenjutsu in particular, why not kendo?

Hamish

[ReKru]

Kensjutsu, .., is superior, ..

And by "superior" he means "totally ninjer sweet", cause chicks dig 440 stainless steel.

[swordteacher99]

And by "superior" he means "totally ninjer sweet", cause chicks dig 440 stainless steel.


Hmm, that made absolutely no sense, looks like my typing aint the only bad typing on here.

[ReKru]

Dude, this is a Kendo forum and people here are quite happy with their kendo.
If you want to tout the superiority of your system, make a website and post your secret swordarts there, make a forum and discuss your superiority there.

We have kendo, naginata as well as seitei iai and kenjutsu (taught by a real japanese sensei who learned this stuff from his father - geniune kenjutsu secrets wuwu) at our dojo.
Some people crosstrain, some have only one art and noone would ever tout the superiority of what he does over that of the other arts, unless he's a true poltroon.

[swordteacher99]

LOL, first off, your sword teacher taught by his father, if he is touting "secret" techniques, then it is crap. Secondly, I have no secret techniques, and thirdly, your saying things I never said. Be careful what you infer, wait to hear it, create what isn't there. Now, since your a troll, and clearly not worth speaking to any lnger, I wont. tah tah.


Dude, this is a Kendo forum and people here are quite happy with their kendo.
If you want to tout the superiority of your system, make a website and post your secret swordarts there, make a forum and discuss your superiority there.

We have kendo, naginata as well as seitei iai and kenjutsu (taught by a real japanese sensei who learned this stuff from his father - geniune kenjutsu secrets wuwu) at our dojo.
Some people crosstrain, some have only one art and noone would ever tout the superiority of what he does over that of the other arts, unless he's a true poltroon.

[ReKru]

Now, since your a troll, and clearly not worth speaking to any lnger, I wont.

Which is totally sweet as well, and since this is a community of bamboo munchin trolls, you could do them the same favor. :ogre:

[rottunpunk]

no offence meant (well some but not much)
i know im only young, and a girl-but swordteacher99, you come across as a right w@nker.
part of the budo way is to be humble and show others the respect that you would like to recieve. im guessing you dont aim to be respected by others.

so how big is your ego in comparison to say mt kilimanjaro

hehe :p

[swordteacher99]

no offence meant (well some but not much)
i know im only young, and a girl-but swordteacher99, you come across as a right w@nker.
part of the budo way is to be humble and show others the respect that you would like to recieve. im guessing you dont aim to be respected by others.

so how big is your ego in comparison to say mt kilimanjaro

hehe :p

Well I dont know what prompted that, but let me just say that, takes one to know one, and it takes two to tango. Budo way, thats your way, and I'm quite humble enough, and you don't practice what you preach, yous just as outspoken, so come back when you can do what you say ;)

[rottunpunk]

i know my failings. that is being humble.
my way is to learn as much as possible. to do this, i must follow the budo way as much as is possible to not conflict with my christian beliefs. as a 12 year sword teacher do you not follow the budo way? to not do so would surely be hypocritical.

twinkle twinkle little star what you say is what you are if you say it back to me you're a chimpanze. see? i can be childish too.

its sooo easy to get you to bite its fun.

whats 'Bi Nay Elle Disada' anyways? google came up with nothing. could you be an illegitimate fake yourself?

anyways, we seem to be getting off topic here-something that happens quite a lot in a thread that you post in.

:p

i dont do kenjutsu, but im guessing that as it teaches sword work, then the spirituality and philosophy would reflect such. good old book of the 5 rings may help. easy as it is to read-not.
:p

[swordteacher99]

Knowing ones failing does not give them leave to enact them and counsel others not to, you cant make mistakes that you condemn others for at the same time, grow up kid.




i know my failings. that is being humble.
my way is to learn as much as possible. to do this, i must follow the budo way as much as is possible to not conflict with my christian beliefs. as a 12 year sword teacher do you not follow the budo way? to not do so would surely be hypocritical.

twinkle twinkle little star what you say is what you are if you say it back to me you're a chimpanze. see? i can be childish too.

its sooo easy to get you to bite its fun.

whats 'Bi Nay Elle Disada' anyways? google came up with nothing. could you be an illegitimate fake yourself?

anyways, we seem to be getting off topic here-something that happens quite a lot in a thread that you post in.

:p

i dont do kenjutsu, but im guessing that as it teaches sword work, then the spirituality and philosophy would reflect such. good old book of the 5 rings may help. easy as it is to read-not.
:p

[roar]

Swordteacher99.

Many posts in one day, am happy to see that kendoworld has got such an enthusiastic new member. It will be entertaining to follow the posts of such an experienced fellow budoka. Your seniority has been clearly stated in your posts, and your userprofile has also an air of authority.

It would be interesting to know what koryu you study, under which teacher.

[swordteacher99]

Swordteacher99.

Many posts in one day, am happy to see that kendoworld has got such an enthusiastic new member. It will be entertaining to follow the posts of such an experienced fellow budoka. Your seniority has been clearly stated in your posts, and your userprofile has also an air of authority.

It would be interesting to know what koryu you study, under which teacher.

Roar, you don't believe a word of what you just said. Enthusiastic is not the word, won't say the word, can you say insincere, dinsingenuous? LOL.

[rottunpunk]

theres this amazing thing called irony. also sardonicity.
as an american you wont be able to grasp higher forms of humour though
:p

[roar]

Roar, you don't believe a word of what you just said. Enthusiastic is not the word, won't say the word, can you say insincere, dinsingenuous? LOL.

Oh no, he sees straight trough me
:redface:

I guess you have sharpened your spiritual faculties over the years through your tireless endeavors in kenjutsu. :D

I dont mind you answering the question though. There is kenjutsu and there is kenjutsu, just need a drawer that you might fit in.

[swordteacher99]

Oh no, he sees straight trough me
:redface:

I guess you have sharpened your spiritual faculties over the years through your tireless endeavors in kenjutsu. :D

I dont mind you answering the question though. There is kenjutsu and there is kenjutsu, just need a drawer that you might fit in.


Ah, but you also know that, with your attitude and way of asking that no one would feel inclined or wish to answer, since I have nothing to prove to anyone, and answering the way you asked would only be to prove something, and not because you asked to be friendly, you must know the difference. Goodbye.

[h2o]

Goodbye.If only it were true...:rolleyes:

[rottunpunk]

you say goodbye a lot and then dont leave. why is this? do you crave friends that much?

[roar]

theres this amazing thing called irony. also sardonicity.
as an american you wont be able to grasp higher forms of humour though
:p

I wouldnt use that broad generalisations, they are pretty useless.

I heard a nice definition of humour once: "humour is the sublimation of melancholy"- one should never joke with humour, at its core, it is the human soul just begging the existence for mercy.
Pretty much like the souls of everyone logged on at KW is begging for mercy at the arrival of swordteacher 99 today. :D

[roar]

Ah, but you also know that, with your attitude and way of asking that no one would feel inclined or wish to answer, since I have nothing to prove to anyone, and answering the way you asked would only be to prove something, and not because you asked to be friendly, you must know the difference. Goodbye.

You yourself has done some talking, why not in all openness share what "you have been walking." Evading the question in this manner can really make you wonder. Or stop wondering.

[ScottUK]

Gentlemen, gentlemen - have you forgotten...?

Mad_God (http://www.intellectualpoison.com/Pics/troll.jpg)

[sjp]

Anyone that signs himself 'Swordteacher' is definetley suspect in my book.
He will go right on to my ignore list.

[swordteacher99]

Anyone that signs himself 'Swordteacher' is definetley suspect in my book.
He will go right on to my ignore list.

Except that, I actually am a swordteacher, lol, have been for 12 years, thats what makes it so funny, that someone considers actual honesty to be suspect, thats just sad. I am also white, perhaps if I use the name "White guy" which I am, you will doubt I am white or "Strong guy" then you will think I am weak, I tell you, your logic is greatly wanting, to assume the opposite as you have, well, makes little sense, gimmie a break. LOL, too funny.

[pgsmith]

Except that, I actually am a swordteacher, lol, have been for 12 years, ...
They're so cute when they lie like that! :D
So, if you've been teaching for 12 years, that means that you started when you were 2? Or was it 3? You can't possibly be more than 15 judging by the idiocy and ignorance of your posts, and by the goofy pictures on your site. How did you manage to learn enough by the age of three to start teaching sword? Are you actually baby Stewie from Family Guy? Did you learn the sword from trying to kill Mummy? :D