100 "McDojo" Strikes in 20 seconds

[Berserker]

I saw this and had to share... I just hope they asked for their money back!!!:laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoldH5gqb9Q&NR=1


But hell, what do I know...

[absenteekendoka]

I just had to gouge out my eyes with a spoon.....

MC DOJO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

Bow to your sensei for only $14.95...plus applicable taxes.....

[Fred27]

Think thats bad?

Here is one for the Niten Ichi-ryu practitioners among you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKkXncXAAU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKkXncXAAU&feature=related)

(plz dont kill the messenger Colin & Scott-san) :D

[bobdonny]

Think thats bad?

Here is one for the Niten Ichi-ryu practitioners among you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKkXncXAAU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKkXncXAAU&feature=related)

(plz dont kill the messenger Colin & Scott-san) :D


mmmmmm twirly :)

[Fred27]

I saw this and had to share... I just hope they asked for their money back!!!:laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoldH5gqb9Q&NR=1


But hell, what do I know...

"Gotta spred some rep around...etc etc" :D

[JoDuncan]

Ohhhhh shiiit dat waz mad skilz yo.

Does anyone actually practice really quick cuts? We do but it's to loosen up the ol' wrists: Shinai placed on men, flick and ten o uchi away until yameeeeeeeee.

I like how they managed to condense the book of 5 rings down to a short video clip, saves me the trouble of reading it because it looks like it'd be pure gash.

[absenteekendoka]

Ohhhhh shiiit dat waz mad skilz yo.

Does anyone actually practice really quick cuts? We do but it's to loosen up the ol' wrists: Shinai placed on men, flick and ten o uchi away until yameeeeeeeee.

I like how they managed to condense the book of 5 rings down to a short video clip, saves me the trouble of reading it because it looks like it'd be pure gash.

Readers Digest Home Video is proud to present the abridged version of "Book of Five Rings" .

Chapter 1.

A japanese guy said some stuff about swordsmanship....or something.

Chapter 2.

The end.

Dont forget to look for our upcoming abbridged version of "Art of War"

Heres a sneak peak!!

Chapter 1.

Some Chinese General said something once...he said a lot of things......

The End.

:)

[Berserker]

Readers Digest Home Video is proud to present the abridged version of "Book of Five Rings" .

Chapter 1.

A japanese guy said some stuff about swordsmanship....or something.

Chapter 2.

The end.

Dont forget to look for our upcoming abbridged version of "Art of War"

Heres a sneak peak!!

Chapter 1.

Some Chinese General said something once...he said a lot of things......

The End.

:)

+Rep...

For making all those really old people's work simple to understand!! :laugh:

[Andrew S]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to absenteekendoka agian

Maybe they should go to the big fat guy for instruction :rolleyes:

[PlutoInLove]

Aww, that poor fat kid in the white gi had to lean on his shinai during the bout. After making ten thousand meaningless strikes, he couldn't even continue... I dunno, the two four-year-old-looking-types that wandered in and out of the foreground were just as bad.
Bullshido, for sho'.

Where's the sensei? These guys rack disiprine.

[Kendoka_Han]

Think thats bad?

Here is one for the Niten Ichi-ryu practitioners among you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKkXncXAAU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKkXncXAAU&feature=related)

(plz dont kill the messenger Colin & Scott-san) :D

LOL

Looks like risingsun productions IS the god-father of all mcdojos....

look at this one...LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiSHti0yOIY

[PlutoInLove]

... that is just awful.

I wonder what his neighbors must be thinking.

[Raindrop]

Is that a mexican birthday party with an animated piañata?

If he wants some candy to come out he has to hit harder...

[SmellsLikeBogu]

have you seen the way they tie there men? I couldnt make it out clearly, but it seemed like they had himo running over the mengane.... something's not right there. Unless its some koryu way of tying your men, but I highly doubt it :p

[Koffein]

LOL

Looks like risingsun productions IS the god-father of all mcdojos....



GRRRREAT, there's more: :D

BEGINNERS GUIDE TO KENDO AND IAIDO PART #2 (http://www.risingsunproductions.net/catalog/images/625866006982.jpg)
by Sensei Jim Wilson
"You will Learn:
- Rare Take Aways
- Fabulous combinations
- Techniques for Demonstrations
- Much More"

Beginner's Guide to Shinken Steel Sword (http://www.risingsunproductions.net/catalog/images/RS-184_w.jpg)
by Sword Master Dana Abbott
"You will learn:
- 8 Stances
- 8 Cuts
- 8 Draws
- 8 Sheaths
- 8 Forms
- Test Cutting and Formalities"

:ninja:

[absenteekendoka]

GRRRREAT, there's more: :D

BEGINNERS GUIDE TO KENDO AND IAIDO PART #2 (http://www.risingsunproductions.net/catalog/images/625866006982.jpg)
by Sensei Jim Wilson
"You will Learn:
- Rare Take Aways
- Fabulous combinations
- Techniques for Demonstrations
- Much More"

Beginner's Guide to Shinken Steel Sword (http://www.risingsunproductions.net/catalog/images/RS-184_w.jpg)
by Sword Master Dana Abbott
"You will learn:
- 8 Stances
- 8 Cuts
- 8 Draws
- 8 Sheaths
- 8 Forms
- Test Cutting and Formalities"

:ninja:

And for a LIMITED TIME ONLY your offer comes with a free set of Ginsu 2000 steak knives! But wait....theres MORE! Not only are we confident that our steak knives and videos will make you a 10th dan master in just three days that we're also throwing in a free set of American Flag Hakama and Keikogi!!!! Show eveyone in your neigborhood the true master you are!!!!! We are so sure of the quality of this system that guarantee that this system will keep you free of Ninja attack indefinetly!! Just three payments of $19.95 and its alllll yours!! :)

[Andrew S]

Must spread rep, blah, blah.

[absenteekendoka]

Must spread rep, blah, blah.

Indeed !!!! You are the rep master stOOPid Sensei!!! :) Just so you know they rushed out the "Ninja keep Away" spray to Wright and Gotlin.....think they could use it......it was a bonus for ordering the "Samurai in a day" gift pack. I fear they are in imminent danger of ninja attack :) and certainly they could use the techniques in those videos......

[ckramos]

this is why those goshinkens/foam swords are a bad idea. :smoker:

[Berserker]

I sent a message to his profile and asked what his dojo name is... If I hear one trace of the word - Ronald- or -Gotlan- I'm going to lose it completely!! :)

[futabachan]

GRRRREAT, there's more: :D
Beginner's Guide to Shinken Steel Sword (http://www.risingsunproductions.net/catalog/images/RS-184_w.jpg)
by Sword Master Dana Abbott
"You will learn:
- 8 Stances
- 8 Cuts
- 8 Draws
- 8 Sheaths
- 8 Forms
- Test Cutting and Formalities"


...and he's a member of the Black Belt Hall of Fame, too! Shiny!

*sigh* Beginner's guide to the shinken. Wow. I wonder if he owns stock in privately owned hospitals or something....

[Oroshi]

- Rare Take Aways

Sushi to go?

[absenteekendoka]

Must spread rep, blah, blah.

Ditto! :) spread it around...like Nutella! Ummmmmmmm ...Nutella..

[ScottUK]

Think thats bad?

Here is one for the Niten Ichi-ryu practitioners among you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKkXncXAAU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKkXncXAAU&feature=related)

(plz dont kill the messenger Colin & Scott-san) :DHehe that'll be the famous sword-berk and serial liar George Alexander then. What a tool.

[Fred27]

Hehe that'll be the famous sword-berk and serial liar George Alexander then. What a tool.

ooo! I sense a cool bullshido story! Do tell :)

[JCM]

And for a LIMITED TIME ONLY your offer comes with a free set of Ginsu 2000 steak knives! But wait....theres MORE! Not only are we confident that our steak knives and videos will make you a 10th dan master in just three days that we're also throwing in a free set of American Flag Hakama and Keikogi!!!! Show eveyone in your neigborhood the true master you are!!!!! We are so sure of the quality of this system that guarantee that this system will keep you free of Ninja attack indefinetly!! Just three payments of $19.95 and its alllll yours!! :)

Wish granted my son: Starts and stripes (http://www.superiormartialarts.com/images15/HAKAMA.jpg)

More "Hakama Skirts" (http://www.superiormartialarts.com/cgi-bin/uniform/perlshop.cgi?ACTION=ENTER&thispage=hakama.html&ORDER_ID=!ORDERID!&affiliate=889)

Going fetal on 3, 2, 1....

[ScottUK]

ooo! I sense a cool bullshido story! Do tell :)

Ok just for you (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22george+alexander%22+niten&btnG=Google+Search&meta=)... :D

PM any Q's so we don't soil this thread any more than needed... ;)

[Fred27]

Ok just for you (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22george+alexander%22+niten&btnG=Google+Search&meta=)... :D

PM any Q's so we don't soil this thread any more than needed... ;)

Eeeeuw! I saw a few topics on e-budo, kendo-world and fightingarts.com. Talk a bout a stinker! :confused2

[kosh]

Rising Sun presents....YAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kiSHti0yOIY&feature=related :eek:

[kosh]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKkXncXAAU&feature=related

Older version of Johnny Cash?

[absenteekendoka]

Readers Digest Home Video is proud to present the abridged version of "Book of Five Rings" .

Chapter 1.

A japanese guy said some stuff about swordsmanship....or something.

Chapter 2.

The end.

Dont forget to look for our upcoming abbridged version of "Art of War"

Heres a sneak peak!!

Chapter 1.

Some Chinese General said something once...he said a lot of things......

The End.

:)

LOL...I'll say it again :)

[satsumaruma]

Thing is that worries me is that some people will watch this dross and think it is kendo or Iai.

Not because they are foolish or anything but simply because they do not know enough to know that it is toss.


sigh

[Hisham]

Yeah, that's why that video's gotta stay at one star.

[rfoxmich]

Ed Gruberman: "I wanna beat people up right now. That's all a came here for."

[PlutoInLove]

"*Great for Samurai Practice*"

... Lord.

[Berserker]

After a few attempts to contact the person who added the "100 strike" video I have given up... They are obviously not interested in standing up for themselves or their martial art... :confused:

[Charuzu]

Ed Gruberman: "I wanna beat people up right now. That's all a came here for."

*Boots to the head*

[Tosa Samurai]

These are the kinds of people that need to be weeded out of all forms of budo. The swordsman of this era need another musashi type to just bash out all these people. sorry if a sound a little harsh but i grew up doing martial arts and i run into all kinds of jokers like established guys who steal peoples money but thats why there established i guess lol.... I belong to one of the best dojos in the world and we only charge enough money to rent our building a couple of days a week.

[ScottUK]

Unfortunately, dojo arashi is illegal. Probably.I belong to one of the best dojos in the worldWhich one?

[Tosa Samurai]

Bushikan Dojo of south west florida. Joe "Ha no Kame" Bass started our dojo he was trained under Nakayama Zendo and Saieki Hajime ... he is the only non japanese to recive samurai status from the government. Ha no kame is leagaly in his name now but he died about 7 years ago from cancer so afterwards are dojo almost fell apart and before he died he asked my sensei to teach fully and take over so he did his wife teached karate too.

[Tosa Samurai]

we have a web site but it sucks no one really takes care of it my sensei inst all that web savy and the ony 2 guys in our dojo that do know about those things arent around right now.

[ScottUK]

he is the only non japanese to recive samurai status from the governmentGreat stuff. You must be honoured to have had such a teacher.

Can you tell us more about your training and your syllabus?

[Tosa Samurai]

Yeah im trainging for my Nidan test right now its tough we dont slack on stuff my sensei is a good guy too were like a family we hang out durring holidays and we allways go out of our way to help each other. And the lineage thing is cool because even though im american i can trace our roots all the way to Hiashiazaki Jinsuke Shiganobou the founder of iai in tosa. You can see vids online about Nakayama Hakudo he founded Muso Shinden Ryu thats our school.

[ScottUK]

And the lineage thing is cool because even though im american i can trace our roots all the way to Hiashiazaki Jinsuke Shiganobou the founder of iai in tosa.Err, being American is nothing to do with the tracing of lineage.

Is this your place?

http://bushikan-dojo.com

[Tosa Samurai]

yeah Janece was married to Joe bass before he died. She teaches karated at a diff location. my goal is to one day bring our dojo back to what it once was.

[Tosa Samurai]

opps karate... sorry... im very intrested in traviling and meeting other dojos in the near future prob. at the end of the year or beginning of the next. After my nidan test im going to start training in karate again too i train with a friend of mine who teaches shorin ryu. but my next test is not going to be easy so i need all my focus on one thing right now.

[Tosa Samurai]

I don"t want to sound too forward but if you ever wanna keep in contact you can email me at DeadBoyKCC@gmail.com please dont spam but i think that good dojos need to band together not to mingle but like in the old days of japan respeacting each other and having knowledge of what else is out there plus i think its our duty to our lineage to stamp out all the mc dojos out there.

[Oroshi]

http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/member.php?find=lastposter&t=16806

This wouldn't be you, would it?

[ScottUK]

its our duty to our lineage to stamp out all the mc dojos out there.I agree. We have to start with all the people who think they are samurai when in fact the class was abolished in 1873.

[Oroshi]

i can trace our roots all the way to Hiashiazaki Jinsuke Shiganobou the founder of iai in tosa.
There are plenty of very interesting statements to explore here, but as this particular detail might be missed: Hayashizaki Jinsuke Shigenobu was not from Tosa. He was a retainer in Oshu, in what is modern-day Yamagata prefecture. It was Hasegawa Eishin who founded a derivative of Hayashizaki ryu in Tosa about 200 years later. See Hyoho.com (http://www.hyoho.com/Kiso1.html).

Also, everyone practising a Hayashizaki-derived ryuha (Muso Jikiden Eishin ryu, Muso Shinden ryu, Tamiya ryu, Hoki ryu etc.) can trace their roots back to Hayashizaki. Ryugi lineage just works that way.

[bi0acid]

I agree. We have to start with all the people who think they are samurai when in fact the class was abolished in 1873.



Start here (http://www.niten.org.br)

:rolleyes:

[samurai80]

You bastards...I wanted a piece of that samurai action, but you probably scared him off now. C'mon, you guys know the drill.
First we act puzzled. Next, we pretend to be interested. After faking interest, we drag out as many embarrassing comments as possible. Just when its about time to blow them out of the water, we boost their ego some more, allowing for more tragic statements. Then we attack, taking pleasure in watching the person become uncomfortable, defending each lie with another lie.

[satsumaruma]

How very peceptive of you.

Thing is. The cat is now out of the bag.................................sigh


and now we will have no-one to "play with".


Right. Back to baiting Chidokan I guess

[Tosa Samurai]

sorry had to go yesterday .... um yeah i know tosa is where my style came from sorry for the mis understanding i was a little tierd and i had to do a bunch of stuff online while i was typeing here.... yes most people can trace their roots back there i wasnt bragging i was just pretaining to our conversation sorry for misconceptions again. and i dont understand why everyone on this board is so hostile i mean why do most people even study swordsmanship if they dont think it should be around thats kinda the point as well dont you think... i.e. keeping traditions around passing of knowlage ect.

[Tosa Samurai]

You bastards...I wanted a piece of that samurai action, but you probably scared him off now. C'mon, you guys know the drill.
First we act puzzled. Next, we pretend to be interested. After faking interest, we drag out as many embarrassing comments as possible. Just when its about time to blow them out of the water, we boost their ego some more, allowing for more tragic statements. Then we attack, taking pleasure in watching the person become uncomfortable, defending each lie with another lie.

also nothing in my conversations are never lies. im simply saying my feelings and ideals no one has to agree to them. and i dont become uncomfortable when under attack i actually like it. and if the only reason you post on this site is to boost your ego then maybe your here fro the wrong reason i like to post here to get an understanding about other people and what they think about koryu.

[Anonymous]

sorry had to go yesterday .... um yeah i know tosa is where my style came from sorry for the mis understanding i was a little tierd and i had to do a bunch of stuff online while i was typeing here.... yes most people can trace their roots back there i wasnt bragging i was just pretaining to our conversation sorry for misconceptions again. and i dont understand why everyone on this board is so hostile i mean why do most people even study swordsmanship if they dont think it should be around thats kinda the point as well dont you think... i.e. keeping traditions around passing of knowlage ect.


People on this board are hardly hostile, even when idiots do come in, spew a bunch of BS and claim to be the 20th dan soke of some random ryu.

[Tosa Samurai]

lol.. guess so im not trying to make my self seem cool i was having a conversation about my dojo and im proud of it whats wrong with that... sorry if i pissed people off but "them's the brakes" so to say

[Anonymous]

lol.. guess so im not trying to make my self seem cool i was having a conversation about my dojo and im proud of it whats wrong with that... sorry if i pissed people off but "them's the brakes" so to say

Nothing wrong with being proud of it, but saying that its one of the best in the world is an awfully stupid thing to say.

[Tosa Samurai]

well i dont know about that im very strong headead about things so it cant be helped thats my nature and "I THINK" my dojo is the best in the world our dojo wasnt started by some guy with a shodan who decided to come back to america and teach. a well respected man and is named as one the successors to our style.

[samurai80]

also nothing in my conversations are never lies. im simply saying my feelings and ideals no one has to agree to them. and i dont become uncomfortable when under attack i actually like it. and if the only reason you post on this site is to boost your ego then maybe your here fro the wrong reason i like to post here to get an understanding about other people and what they think about koryu.

So changing your user profile wasn't meant to be deceptive? Saying your dojo is one of the best in the world wasn't stupid? Getting your koryu facts wrong wasn't stupid? The reasons I come to this site are three main categories...

1. Getting to talk with other kendoka I otherwise would have a slim chance of interacting with.
2. Listening to people claim ridiculous stuff under different profile names. (Like, "I'm from on of the best dojos in the world.") Yay!!!
3. To boost my ego, I mean...to love everyone, no matter what excrement is forced out of their mouth.

[Charles Lockhar]

also nothing in my conversations are never lies.

That isn't the internet-speak equivalent of having your fingers crossed, is it?

[Tosa Samurai]

So changing your user profile wasn't meant to be deceptive? Saying your dojo is one of the best in the world wasn't stupid? Getting your koryu facts wrong wasn't stupid? The reasons I come to this site are three main categories...

1. Getting to talk with other kendoka I otherwise would have a slim chance of interacting with.
2. Listening to people claim ridiculous stuff under different profile names. (Like, "I'm from on of the best dojos in the world.") Yay!!!
3. To boost my ego, I mean...to love everyone, no matter what excrement is forced out of their mouth.

no i changed my profile because im not very good with computers i forgot my password for my other account and my old email i got rid of so i couldnt do anything about it oh well and again the best dojo in the world to me is mine i think all people should think thier dojo is the best other wise you need to reevalute where you are learning at and ive never put down false post about koryu thats not true i did make a mistake as i reverberated allrady and im kinda sick of this pissing match get over it all ready if dont agree just say you dont agree you dont need to be a jerk i never personaly attack what people say i only give my opinion.

[Tosa Samurai]

That isn't the internet-speak equivalent of having your fingers crossed, is it?

thats pretty funny i am laughing no seriously though no i dont lie i dont belive in lieing plus even if i did lie in real life its the internet so no one has a reason to lie right lol....

[Tosa Samurai]

also id like to say in refrence to tosa. iaido was populerized there by shigenobu thats not where he learn swordsmanship but where it was passed around then obvioiusly students learn grow and move to other areas of japan to gain fame and be under service of someone. the tosa samurai were feared from the shinsengumi as being the best swordsman a lot of the tosa samurai left service to their lords to service the emperor directly. tosa in history was famed for being an area with the best swordsman iai ones that learned iai and a lot of lords would search out people that studied there. and i didnt get my info from some dumb website if you belive everything you read from books and the internet your a fool you need to learn how to seperate peoples bs a lot of things written down are exaggerated my info comes from Nakayama Zendo who passed it to Joe Bass then my sensei then me. also to not step on toes im not saying any one person is an idiot im not directly attacking anyone like others are doing to me im stateing what i know and if im wrong which im not. then what do other people care if someone else is a fool and to point out so shows your own foolishness. and to reiterate i might be a little crazy but in war there has to be somebody to charge in and take out as many as you can some one who can take the abuse and kill of as many as possabe and if thats me then so be it.

[samurai80]

and to reiterate i might be a little crazy but in war there has to be somebody to charge in and take out as many as you can some one who can take the abuse and kill of as many as possabe and if thats me then so be it.

Wierd. You're going to kill as many people as possible? I'm calling the police right now. I mean...you already murdered the English language, isn't that enough? While you're doing research on the samurai, don't forget to look up capital letters, and the definition of run-on sentences.

[mononokifool]

Wierd. You're going to kill as many people as possible? I'm calling the police right now. I mean...you already murdered the English language, isn't that enough? While you're doing research on the samurai, don't forget to look up capital letters, and the definition of run-on sentences.
Wow people sure are friendly around here. I'm glad it's such a loving community. And how do you all not feel the same way as he does about your own dojo?

[Anonymous]

Wow people sure are friendly around here. I'm glad it's such a loving community. And how do you all not feel the same way as he does about your own dojo?

I'd be an idiot if I honestly thought that any one dojo was the best.

[samurai80]

My dojo is the bestest ever! Yeh!!! Rock on!!! Eat it, other dojos.

[mashu19]

Wow people sure are friendly around here. I'm glad it's such a loving community. And how do you all not feel the same way as he does about your own dojo?

I also think my dojo is the best in the world. The people are nice, we try hard at kendo everyday and my teacher always sticks with us even though we lose so much. It`s the perfect dojo. I`m sure everyone feels the same way, just no one seems to write it.

[samurai80]

Wow people sure are friendly around here. I'm glad it's such a loving community. And how do you all not feel the same way as he does about your own dojo?

You know who you sound like? Your other two profiles.

[Tosa Samurai]

LOL THATS AWSOME no thats not mine i had one but my old email isnt up anymore and i forgot my passward lol but that guy is a friend of mine he goes to my dojo.

[Tosa Samurai]

I think by not thinking your dojo is the greatest you put yourself in a dangerous mindset for failure to not intrust yourself to your sensei and fellow men at arms then you prob. arnt getting the training you should our dojo is like a family most people go to thier dojo train prob. talk to fellow members here and there go to functions once in a while ect. but thats not what a dojo is. its a place where you sweat bleed and go through rigirous training at my sensei one day said the best way to become a true freind is 3 ways fight together drink together and eat together and untill you do that your just accaintences with the same hobby. at that point its not a budo its a hobby and i dont think what i do is a hobby.

[Tosa Samurai]

My dojo is the bestest ever! Yeh!!! Rock on!!! Eat it, other dojos.

and im 100 percent sure i wasnt bashing other peoples infact i stated that allready if you only read parts of things you wont understand them fully you should have pride thats part of being samurai.

[Oroshi]

Great, someone who might be able to clear things up.

...he is the only non japanese to recive samurai status from the government.

...named as one the successors to our style.

i might be a little crazy but in war there has to be somebody to charge in and take out as many as you can some one who can take the abuse and kill of as many as possabe and if thats me then so be it.

So: do you both believe in this rubbish?

[Tosa Samurai]

Great, someone who might be able to clear things up.


So: do you both believe in this rubbish?

well its not rubbish and don't personally attack me i bite back

[samurai80]

I think by not thinking your dojo is the greatest you put yourself in a dangerous mindset for failure to not intrust yourself to your sensei and fellow men at arms then you prob. arnt getting the training you should our dojo is like a family most people go to thier dojo train prob. talk to fellow members here and there go to functions once in a while ect. but thats not what a dojo is. its a place where you sweat bleed and go through rigirous training at my sensei one day said the best way to become a true freind is 3 ways fight together drink together and eat together and untill you do that your just accaintences with the same hobby. at that point its not a budo its a hobby and i dont think what i do is a hobby.

See, now you're talkin' 'bout my dojo. I don't think you want to do that. By the way, I'll be at the All Florida Taikai. I'd say I'll see you there, but I have a feeling that your dojo didn't get that invitation.

[Tosa Samurai]

my punctuation is bad oh no some one stop me .... and your taking what i said out of context im not killing anyone i just have no problems with justified death. im not saying im gonna kill a bunch of ass holes and be proud of it im talking in general about a war like situation or a duel with two or more people willing to lay thier life on the line thats what samurai did what do you thinks swords are for?

[Tosa Samurai]

See, now you're talkin' 'bout my dojo. I don't think you want to do that. By the way, I'll be at the All Florida Taikai. I'd say I'll see you there, but I have a feeling that your dojo didn't get that invitation.

let me clear this up i dont remember saying anything about you just dont try to push me around with words i dont push back i shove back and what do you mean by you will be at the taikai is that an invite to something im not that great with words so you can spell it out for me

[samurai80]

I don't push, and you couldn't shove me if you tried. You said if "by not thinking your dojo is the greatest you put yourself in a dangerous mindset for failure to not intrust yourself to your sensei and fellow men at arms then you prob. arnt getting the training you should." That sounds like you're talking about my dojo to me, 'cause I don't think my dojo is the greatest, I think it is A good dojo. Anybody who claims "greatest dojo" sounds like an ass to me. My point in mentioning the taikai in Florida, is that your dojo is in Florida, but it is unaware of this taikai. Why would that be? I wonder. Does your dojo have a website?

[Tosa Samurai]

ive been to the taikai it wasnt all that great and i wasnt insulting you your reading into this crap way to much we usually dont partipate in things of that nature because we dont belive in showing off in front of other people to look cool you should have more pride in yourself to think i was attacking you anyway

[Anonymous]

is that my mcdojo sense tingling?

[Tosa Samurai]

and you insult me look at your signature you call yourself an asshole and dont act big and bad twards me i just might show up to that thing and show you what a sword is for.

[Anonymous]

and you insult me look at your signature you call yourself an asshole and dont act big and bad twards me i just might show up to that thing and show you what a sword is for.


Then just show up. The more the merrier.

[samurai80]

Are you physically threatening me?

[Tosa Samurai]

get over your self

[Oroshi]

well its not rubbish and don't personally attack me i bite back

I haven't made any personal attacks. However, you've just made a threat. Sorry, several threats.


Anyway, to dispel any idea that I'm being contentious purely on a personal level, let's address the points one at a time.

1. Samurai have not existed since 1873. The Shinōkōshō system was abolished by the Meiji emperor and has not been reinstated since. This means that everyone who was a samurai stopped being one in 1873, and no one has been 'made' a samurai since. Not even the highest graded Japanese budoka, not even the descendants of samurai, not even the descendants of such legendary figures as Miyamoto Musashi or Iizasa Ieano are samurai. Samurai do not exist.

2. There are no successors to Muso Shinden Ryu. The line ended with Nakayama Hakudo.

3. I may not live in the US but I understand that over there fighting 'duels' and murdering people is considered illegal, not to mention morally wrong. I think most people in the world would agree, and those who don't are generally considered to be mentally deranged.

As for learning iaido as a killing art only - surely this is a more useless approach than studying it as a means of self-development and continuation of tradition? To put in context what you say about what iaido is for, let's look at some of the dōka traditionally associated with iai. As you study Muso Shinden ryu, the following aphorisms apply (apologies for my crude translation):

勝負は鞘の内にあり
'The fight is won with the sword still in the sheath.'
This means both having determination to win (覚悟), and also that one should be able to deal with difficult situations without resorting to violence.

居合とは人に斬られず人斬らずおのれを責めて平らかな道
'Iai is the peaceful way of neither killing nor being killed, but of reflecting seriously upon one's own faults.'

居合とは心に勝つが居合なり人に逆ふは非刀と知れ
'Know that iai is conquering one's own mind, and that turning on others is incorrect use of the sword.'
Literally 'opposing/fighting others is the bad/wrong sword,' meaning 'someone who attacks others goes against the way of the samurai.'

These are all sayings that are used in Muso Shinden Ryu or Hayashizaki Ryu, and variations are found in many other styles.

[Tosa Samurai]

Then just show up. The more the merrier.

i like how hes adding to this its starting to make me laugh how out of hand people can get one min. theres a disscusion the next were fighting its awsome.

[samurai80]

How about yourself? Still figuring this whole typing thing out? I'll be waiting at the tournament for you. Don't forget to bring your sword. I think it will be hard for you to get there at the right time since you have no information about the tournament. Kind of like how the AUSKF has no information about your dojo. Kisses!

[Tosa Samurai]

you got that from a website looking in books and web pages doesnt mean anything dont you notice how wrong almost every martial arts book out there is hell even your high school history book is half wrong ....his brother passed it to nakayama zendo and zendo and saiki sensei taught joe bass and your takeing what i said out of context i dont belive in killing others with out just cause i stated that and i dont lash out at people with out reason i think this stupid conversation is now getting on my nerves and you can take what ever i say how you want because what ever i say you wont listen to anyway your trying to pick a fight with me for now reason dosnt that go against what you just typed.

[mononokifool]

I dont think anyone is being threatened. It's just our dojo is gem of were we are. Our members are not like family but rather they are family. All of my best friends are the ones I train with. We are all very proud of our style and who we train with. This is becoming a flame war and I think it needs to be left off with that.

[Tosa Samurai]

ive admitted in other post i dont type well but i dont care ... your reaching now lol... and real dojos dont need to be organizations to feel good about them selves... and if you ask anyone that was teaching in the 70s and on who joe bass was they will tell you dont bash my dojo thats just rude this is between two adults not a group.

[mononokifool]

How about yourself? Still figuring this whole typing thing out? I'll be waiting at the tournament for you. Don't forget to bring your sword. I think it will be hard for you to get there at the right time since you have no information about the tournament. Kind of like how the AUSKF has no information about your dojo. Kisses!
Umm we do know about it and have competed in it. And also we are in AUSKF
http://www.auskf.info/art/redball.gif Meguro Iaido and Kendo Kai of Fort Meyers
Riverside Community Center [see map (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3061+E+Riverside+Dr,+Fort+Myers,+Lee,+Flori da+33916,+United+States&ie=UTF8&hl=en&cd=1&geocode=0,26.654915,-81.852688&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=31.095668,74.970703&ll=26.655437,-81.852694&spn=0.008553,0.018303&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1)]
3061 E. Riverside Dr.
Fort Meyers, FL (http://www.auskf.info/dojo/fl.htm) 33916

Tu 7-9pm (Iaido)
Th 7-9pm (Kendo)
That is the kendo and iai school, the bushi-kan includes ueichi

[Tosa Samurai]

i agree this is getting retarded i was oring. shareing info to fellow kenshi and then assholes butt in with useless comments on how they know so much and blah blah blah just cuz you train under some jap. guy doesnt make you awsome why dont you go read wikipedia some more. maybe it can teach you how to communicate with others. and get some manners

[samurai80]

A flame war? Tosa Scamurai is all about rushing into wars, killing as many as possible, so this should be nothing to him, right?

originally posted by mononokifool
"I dont think anyone is being threatened"

Really?

originally postad by Tosa Samurai
"and dont act big and bad twards me i just might show up to that thing and show you what a sword is for. "

Interesting deduction Tosa Samurai...I mean,mononokifool.

[mononokifool]

Interesting deduction Tosa Samurai...I mean,mononokifool.
Notice the punctuation in my replies. We are not the same people.

[Tosa Samurai]

yeah im not him lol what dork i belive you said if i show up youd say hi that inticement for takeing this further maybe im reading into that too much but thats how i took it you started this crap and if i were in a battle i would kill as many as possable that what you in war thats the premise of what i said check the post.

[samurai80]

I noticed, its better. What tournament were you guys at again?

[Tosa Samurai]

orlando taikai that was ages ago my sensei won some trophy thing but he just put it in a drawer i told you were not about that stuff we go to meet other people with the same intrest

[mononokifool]

Are you talking about the Orlando Taikai? If not i apologize for misinterpreting it.

[Tosa Samurai]

you know i think if i met you id prob like you i like hot blooded people we get along. samurai should never back down i like that

[Oroshi]

I dont think anyone is being threatened. It's just our dojo is gem of were we are. Our members are not like family but rather they are family. All of my best friends are the ones I train with. We are all very proud of our style and who we train with. This is becoming a flame war and I think it needs to be left off with that.
It's fine to be proud of your dojo. In fact, it's great to be proud of it. I'm sure it's a very fine dojo with excellent teachers. My issues here are with the erroneous statements I outlined above, and disturbing claims of learning iaido in order to be able to 'duel' - although hopefully this is just a misunderstanding.

[Tosa Samurai]

yeah dave tarzan and tim did some kata thing i dont think youwere there mononokefool sensei won the kata thingy then they made a special divisoin the next year for kata in seiza

[Tosa Samurai]

yeah it is i learn iai to better myself and my state of mind but im also aware of its background and what its ment form as a military science im a military scientest is study diff. martial arts and study stradigy ect. of anciant japan

[Tosa Samurai]

some lady was pissed when she lossed to him i think she might have pressured the seiza thing for the following year

[mononokifool]

It's fine to be proud of your dojo. In fact, it's great to be proud of it. I'm sure it's a very fine dojo with excellent teachers. My issues here are with the erroneous statements I outlined above, and disturbing claims of learning iaido in order to be able to 'duel' - although hopefully this is just a misunderstanding.
I do think that you misunderstood it as you can see it is hard to understand the typing of my good friend lol. He is just expressing how much he loves his dojo and i think someone took offense to him saying how much he believes it to be the best. Our founder however was entitled by the Japanese Gov. as a samurai. As far as I'm aware they still do this. Kind of like how England still Knights people.

[Tosa Samurai]

i will never have good typeing its kinda like my writing i can draw but i cant write lol.. i can read very well and fast but i cant type that just how i am lol.... kinda funny when you think about it. I tell you what to show im not a fucking asshole ill do the right thing and appologize for accidently offending you i stand by what i say but i think you took it wrong and some jack ass was adding to my anger erlier

[Oroshi]

Our founder however was entitled by the Japanese Gov. as a samurai. As far as I'm aware they still do this. Kind of like how England still Knights people.

I'm afraid this isn't the case. They don't do this at all. The samurai class was outlawed in 1873 and hasn't been reinstated since. Feel free to contact the Japanese consulate in Miami about this.

http://www.miami.us.emb-japan.go.jp/contact.html

[Tosa Samurai]

nakayam zendo was in a samurai family and his brother had close ties to the emperor so this is not out of the question thats why the kikusui is our mon its a kiku being the sun over a river only nobels were allowed to rep. the kiku its a syble of the emp.

[Tosa Samurai]

and janice bass joe bass's wife has all his documentaion if i can get a copy of it somehow i will see if she can get me one

[Anonymous]

nakayam zendo was in a samurai family and his brother had close ties to the emperor so this is not out of the question thats why the kikusui is our mon its a kiku being the sun over a river only nobels were allowed to rep. the kiku its a syble of the emp.

It *is* out of the question, sorry. The emperor disbanded the samurai class, and it has never been reinstated, period. And as far as producing documents, I can make my own too.

[Tosa Samurai]

his name even changed to Joe Ha No Kami Bass its documented.

[Tosa Samurai]

actually there are still samurai families in japan today a lot of old koryu dojos and senseis are or are affilated with said families just kuz its not in a book or internet doesnt make it true look up Nakayam online there stuff about it.

[Anonymous]

his name even changed to Joe Ha No Kami Bass its documented.


Changing your name doesn't mean much other than you changed your name, sorry. Kinda like that guy who changed his name to Optimus Prime, he has a sweet name, but he isn't an autobot, and never will be. And there might be families who were samurai at one point in the past, but they aren't any longer. Shit, the Japanese side of my family were samurai at one point when they were mostly living around Hiroshima.

[Tosa Samurai]

if you remeber in the 60s there was supposted to be social intergration of other races but african americans had to still use diff. resturants bathrooms and water fountians its documented all men are equal in the constitution but you can be arrested for being in a muslem faction with ties to muslem nations... just because something is printed somewhere doesnt make it so is the point im trying to make

[Anonymous]

if you remeber in the 60s there was supposted to be social intergration of other races but african americans had to still use diff. resturants bathrooms and water fountians its documented all men are equal in the constitution but you can be arrested for being in a muslem faction with ties to muslem nations... just because something is printed somewhere doesnt make it so is the point im trying to make



There are no samurai. Period.

[Tosa Samurai]

your the one that was fuleing our agrument between oroshi and myself i dont think i need comments from the peanut gallery your trying to instagate an argument you can think your right i dont care i know my heritage i dont need to convince anyone

[Anonymous]

your the one that was fuleing our agrument between oroshi and myself i dont think i need comments from the peanut gallery your trying to instagate an argument you can think your right i dont care i know my heritage i dont need to convince anyone


The problem is that you don't seem to know your heritage, and if you claim anything you *do* need to be able to prove it, and have it confirmed by other, legitimate sources.

[Tosa Samurai]

i agree but i do know it and there is proof but joe bass died of cancer 7 years ago its not appropreate to go ask his wife hey some jackass online wants me to prove what we do is legit ect. but i can prob eventually get a copie of those documents.

[Anonymous]

i agree but i do know it and there is proof but joe bass died of cancer 7 years ago its not appropreate to go ask his wife hey some jackass online wants me to prove what we do is legit ect. but i can prob eventually get a copie of those documents.



Dude, if that really was the case we would easily be able to confirm it by looking online, and I haven't found anything regarding him on English or Japanese sites.

[mononokifool]

The problem is that you don't seem to know your heritage, and if you claim anything you *do* need to be able to prove it, and have it confirmed by other, legitimate sources.
Because we all know how reliable the internet is. But this is going nowhere.

[Tosa Samurai]

do you know how things get online they dont magicly appear nakayama im sure you know who that is ... anyways ill tell you the short story joe bass lied about his age to getinto the korean war he got shot by a machine gun they sent him to an armed base in japan he was kinda in a limbo staysis because he lied on his military thing but kinda considerd up for metals for bravery in combat so they put him there .... he snuck out of the base to wander around and found nakayama zendos dojo begged him for several months to teach him finaly he agreed they all treated him like shit but eventually raised him up due to his achivements with swordsmanship thats he was given title a sword the whole nineyards after several trips back to japan ... now that i think about it his brother might have his documentaion but he doesnt talk to my sensei cuz hes mad that joe didnt leave it to him.
but thats baisicly the run down.

[Tosa Samurai]

if you dont belive me ask anyone that did iai in the 70s and on a lot of senseis know about him

[Anonymous]

Because we all know how reliable the internet is. But this is going nowhere.

If they repealed that law it would be all over the news.

[Anonymous]

if you dont belive me ask anyone that did iai in the 70s and on a lot of senseis know about him

Doesn't make him a samurai, sorry.

[Tosa Samurai]

joe bass was also in the green hornet show and did some coriography stuff too i think

[Oroshi]

I don't know anything about your sensei. He may have been an amazing swordsman and he may well have trained with Nakayama Zendo. I can however state categorically that he was not a samurai.

I'm sure we won't convince you in an online debate though. Therefore I urge you to consult an authoritative third party (such as the Japanese consulate (http://www.miami.us.emb-japan.go.jp/contact.html) that I mentioned above) and see what they say about the existence of samurai in the present day. I'll leave it at that.

[mononokifool]

If they repealed that law it would be all over the news.
Would it know? Also the internet is serious business.

[Tosa Samurai]

on tuesday i will talk to my sensie about this on wed ill post something about it okay

[Tosa Samurai]

here is the proof the internet is allways right ok.... when i was in highschool there were web pages after web page pronouncing that vegeta was gokus brother... lol i know its silly to comment about that but that shows how right the internet is and those webpages still exsist and didnt change untill a few years ago when db was on tv

[Tosa Samurai]

dont put so much stock in the internet besiedes i have a bridge for sale in newyork if your intrested you seem like a smart fellow

[Tosa Samurai]

http://www.bushi-kan.com/iaido.php there its on the internet

[Anonymous]

Would it know? Also the internet is serious business.


Yes it would be. And the parts of the internet where major news corporations are concerned are pretty damn legit. Don't try using that weak excuse of "lolinternetseriusbusineslollolole" that works on any *chan site, but not in places where the idea is not to be an idiot.

[Anonymous]

http://www.bushi-kan.com/iaido.php there its on the internet

Using your own groups site as a source doesn't fly too well.

[Tosa Samurai]

does that make it better.... and ignore the other site with our same name things are in debate right now at our dojo about changing it she paid some dude to make it up for us and didnt put any of our own content on it

[Tosa Samurai]

so you just proved my poninte i think

[Tosa Samurai]

yeah well fox news thinks fourchan is gonna blow up vans so your saying that just kuz some dumb company has an internet site and is on tv its right man where did you learn anything from....

[mononokifool]

Yes it would be. And the parts of the internet where major news corporations are concerned are pretty damn legit. Don't try using that weak excuse of "lolinternetseriusbusineslollolole" that works on any *chan site, but not in places where the idea is not to be an idiot.
As much as i would like to agree with you there obviously isn't a whole lot of understanding in this thread. People need to lighten up. This is the internet, everyone needs to remember that. No one in here is being an idiot but this has gotten beyond a discussion.

[Anonymous]

so you just proved my poninte i think

No, I didn't. There are organizations devoted to koryu that maintain websites with news updates, and something as significant as your sensei officially being a samurai would make an awful lot of noise. I can send an email to the local japanese consulate and easily get this checked out.

[Anonymous]

yeah well fox news thinks fourchan is gonna blow up vans so your saying that just kuz some dumb company has an internet site and is on tv its right man where did you learn anything from....


Protip: Fox news is not the only major news station on the air. (and I rarely ever watch it)

[Tosa Samurai]

like i said talk to someone thats been teach martial arts for a long time from the seventies and on and they prob know joe bass. i agree this thred is getting dumb

[Tosa Samurai]

i was useing that as a ref. what you said baisicly anyone with money and a website is a reliable source thats bs and if you think one third of what is on the internet is true thats pretty sad

[Anonymous]

i was useing that as a ref. what you said baisicly anyone with money and a website is a reliable source thats bs and if you think one third of what is on the internet is true thats pretty sad


l2reading comprehension.

[Tosa Samurai]

No, I didn't. There are organizations devoted to koryu that maintain websites with news updates, and something as significant as your sensei officially being a samurai would make an awful lot of noise. I can send an email to the local japanese consulate and easily get this checked out.

those web sites are ran by the orginizations who own them ie the dojos and magazines that back them up they offer info on thier own stuff not everyone elses they sometimes delv into other things just to show they are better thats how it works everything on the internet is buiesness in some way or another

[Anonymous]

those web sites are ran by the orginizations who own them ie the dojos and magazines that back them up they offer info on thier own stuff not everyone elses they sometimes delv into other things just to show they are better thats how it works everything on the internet is buiesness in some way or another


Now thats actually starting to sound like the typical conspiracy nut. The fact of the matter is that if your sensei was in fact made a samurai, we would know about it, and be able to confirm it with ease.

[Tosa Samurai]

joe bass isnt my sensei he died seven years ago as stated i started iai a little more than five years ago so i didnt get to meet him

[Andrew S]

I think it's time Neil locked this thread.

[ne0r]

Hm. That's interesting.

"I can send an email to the local japanese consulate and easily get this checked out."
Why not just send an email? This could clear the whole situation a bit up.

I'd be interested if there were actually any samurai after the Meiji-period. Wikipedia says interesting things:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitorei_Edict
Nothing there about samurai themselves being prohibited, only their swords, their top-knots, etc.

[Andrew S]

No, the caste/class itself was abolished. All castes/classes were abolished and the bans on topnots and swords were to reflect this.
Anyway, I still think this thread has run its useful life and is now just getting messy. It should be locked.

[Berserker]

As I was the one who started this thread, I must admit I had a good read!!
But this was a thread on the rising sun McDojo and I must agree - It's time to close the thread... You guys are are than welcome to open a new thread under the flames and then sort this whole deal out... :laugh: I would love to see the conclusion on the whole samurai argument... :confused:


But hell, what do I know...:laugh:

[ScottUK]

Hehe disconnected from the internet for less than 24 hours and look what I miss... Did you boys all play fair while I was gone? ;)

[Kent Enfield]

Joe "Ha no Kame" Bass . . . So was he known as "The Turtle of Leaves" or "The Turtle of Teeth"? Maybe it was "The Jug of Teeth"?

[Hisham]

He meant Joe "kame ha meha" Bass who's the chief consultant for the Dragon Ball movie. :ko:

[absenteekendoka]

There are no Samurai......the closest thing we have now is one another, as long as we respect tradition and are dedciated to the art.

Barring that would be Sensei who grew up in households that had traditionally always been Samurai....ie, great grandfather....who passed on the traditions, but not the name.

I think Neils on vacation...........

[un hartim]

C'mon, what a waste of storage in Kendo-world.com servers. If you were so passionate training as you show arguing, you couldn't be defeated by anybody. I think this is not funny anymore.

Menos samba y mas traballar

[Neil Gendzwill]

I'm not on vacation, I'm in DC working. Anyways, I agree, this thread has run its course.