Jedi Church in the UK

[DCPan]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7200531.stm

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=84822&in_page_id=34

[Paikea]

Thank goodness they're banning edged weapons over there...this must be something the UCL guys planted for fun.

[turboyoshi]

They say their services will include sermons on "the Force," light sabre training, and meditation techniques.


Haha, do I get a free lightsaber if I bring a friend?

sean

[Andrew S]

Those morons are just going to make life harder for genuine martial artists.
Our father is a karate black belt, we used to train with him, which is where we got the martial arts
Light sabre instruction?
Another McDojo on the rise

[garyquinn1704]

this aint a new thing. at the last Census we had more Jedis than Jews.

[Kagerou]

I wonder what George Lucas thinks about all of this?

[Kendoka_Han]

Those morons are just going to make life harder for genuine martial artists.

Light sabre instruction?
Another McDojo on the rise

Or the usual false doctrines.....:disapp:

[Kendoka_Han]

Taken directly from the main website....I have high-lighted bold words or sentences, that makes me somewhat....well, embarrassed and sad....

Jedi Force - Now an official religion

The Jedi Church is dedicated to the doctrines of the Jedi force religion. The Jedi religion believes there is one all powerful force that binds all things in the universe together.

So where is the dark side then? Where is satan?

Answer correctly in your next census

Make sure you answer the religion question correctly. The NZ Census beureau believe that the Jedi answer means "Answer understood, but will not be counted", whereas "satanism", "wican" etc are valid answers. The sheer number of people who entered "Jedi" ( or something similar "Rugby" or "Pokemon") was a significant in the last census. In order for the Jedi church to grow, we need access to these statistics just like any other church/order. In the UK the number of people who answered Jedi, were greater than many other common christian denominations. It is not against the law to answer Jedi you are welcome to have any faith you wish. It is the governments responsibility to accept our faith and acurately record the statistics.

Most definitely against the Law of God

The second commandment says...

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the Earth beneath, or that is in the water under the Earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me; and shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me, and keep My Commandments."



All Welcome

The Jedi Church recognises that there is one all powerful force that binds all things in the universe together, and accepts all races and species from all over the universe as potential members of the religion. Join the Jedi Church today!

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[Kingofmyrrh]

Taken directly from the main website....I have high-lighted bold words or sentences, that makes me somewhat....well, embarrassed and sad....



So where is the dark side then? Where is satan?



Most definitely against the Law of God

The second commandment says...

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the Earth beneath, or that is in the water under the Earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me; and shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me, and keep My Commandments."



:disapp::disapp::disapp::disapp::disapp::disapp::d isapp::disapp:

You know, I always preferred book versions to film versions, so I guess I probably do prefer your take on things. Otherwise I can't really see much to separate the two...

[Kagerou]

I'm pretty sure they meant it's not against the law of England Han. Remember even if we think it's silly and strange it is their right as people to choose what they believe and the government cannot interfere as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

[Kendoka_Han]

I'm pretty sure they meant it's not against the law of England Han. Remember even if we think it's silly and strange it is their right as people to choose what they believe and the government cannot interfere as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

I agree...

[JoDuncan]

Bloody Jedis always mucking it up for me and my ninja hoards

[JCM]

Bloody Jedis always mucking it up for me and my ninja hoards

yes, and your Ninja hoards are always mucking it for me and me pirate hoards.

Yaarr!

[absenteekendoka]

They have yet to know the power of the death star!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[Raindrop]

I wonder if they have suffient amounts of 1st-aid kits to deal with all the nose bleeds from "using the force".

[Andrew S]

I wonder if they have suffient amounts of 1st-aid kits to deal with all the nose bleeds from "using the force".
Or too much force. :D

[satsumaruma]

For the record I think the Jedi thing is bonkers.....


but is it really any more bonkers than well established religions? Seriously?

To believe that God came down and shagged some woman so that she could bear his son and NOBODY NOTICED him turn up at her house???????

To believe that a cow ( your basic Big Mac ingredient) is a sacred being - better start praying to your dinner Yankee-boys.

To believe that ones hair has powers and therefore must not be cut ( why do they not worship the Goddes Rapunzel I wonder??)

To believe there is no such thing as 'God' and yet provide no explanation where everything came from, nor why!!

To think that candlesticks are holy - well if that is the Cluedo murder weapon we know that the Jew did the murder!

To adopt a mass-murdering despot as your religious leader??

To take the greatest of offences when somebody names a teddy bear after a little boy who juts happened to have the same name as the prophet who's main tenet was TOLERANCE!!!!


I am NOT having a pop at any religion, nor what that religion advocates, nor anybody's right to practice a particular religion. But we cannot say that Jedi is any less valid. Remember, all religions started from nothing and gained momentum to become what they are today. I am certain that they have changed dramatically over the years from what they started out as ( indeed with Christianity there is more evidence that this is the case than Rome would like to admit) but if they advocate tolerance and social order and a great host of other virtues then I say live and let live.

And who knows, in a thousand years Jedi may have become the most popular religion on the planet.



But it does seem a bit bonkers at the moment.



Lee

[JoDuncan]

So eloquent Sats...

And Lo! It was so that The Lord decended from up high and doth got nasty with some slag.

My hair has magical powers: it stops me from being bald... as soon as i cut it off i go bald, coincidence? I don't think so...

[Andrew S]

[cue Sex Pistols]
♪ 'Cause I wanna be Obi Wan Kenobi

[Gideon]

Is this the first splintering of the Church of Scientology?

[The great I AM]

Is this the first splintering of the Church of Scientology?
No its the church of Sci-Fientology!

[Kagerou]

No its the church of Sci-Fientology!

Their version of the vatican should be Akihabara

[Hisham]

These guys don't know what they're getting into, being a jedi is a very tough life, imagine a hermit living in an exotic dancers'club an trying to be zen all the time :ko:. I think that a sith church would definetly have more folowers.

[Raindrop]

Whether chosing Jedi or Sith all comes down to what colour laser sword goes with your shoes.

[JoDuncan]

Not so young Paduan.... there is much for you to learn.

[Hisham]

One thing's for sure if you folow the jedi teachings, better forget about using your shinai or tsuka :D

[absenteekendoka]

.......I bent my Wookie.. :)

[satsumaruma]

........of course, with a bit of luck, every female Jedi in the Church of scifientology will look like Princess Leia in her Gold bikini.



Excuse me whilst I enjoy a quick daydream:ko:

[absenteekendoka]

...or they'll look like that guy that auditioned for American Idol dressed in that same gold bikini...Im sure its on YouTube....look, if you dare!!!! :)

but I warn you its a sight so horrifying it makes Gotlins Kendo look good. :)

[satsumaruma]

no cannot look.

It would spoil my daydreams I am sure.

[absenteekendoka]

Is this the first splintering of the Church of Scientology?

:) A little qouite from Mr. Hubbard.........

".....theres only two ways to make a million dollars..win a lottery or start a religion.."

And Scientology was born!! :)

[satsumaruma]

Well he is a proven idiot.

I am sure Bill Gates did neither. What about Spielberg? What about David Beckham? What about HM the Queen?

there are lots of ways to make a million - the difficulty is thinking up new ones.

[Henry Jones Jnr]

So I take it that this "Jedi Religion" does not encourage Corrillians :Dthat fly stock light freighters for a living to sign up eh?

"Will someone get this walking carpet out of my way?"
"no reward is worth this!"

[Charuzu]

Taken directly from the main website....I have high-lighted bold words or sentences, that makes me somewhat....well, embarrassed and sad....



So where is the dark side then? Where is satan?



Most definitely against the Law of God

The second commandment says...

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the Earth beneath, or that is in the water under the Earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me; and shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me, and keep My Commandments."



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Seriously, this is KENDO-world not JESUS-world.
Remember, your version of the "True Word" is another man's Blasphemy and vice versa.

That said, I think that Scientists should make feral kittens and build up an army in order to get more grants or maybe make their own nation.

Science, FTW!

PS - Star Trek > Star Wars

>:3

[Hisham]

PS - Star Trek > Star Wars

>:3

Apples and oranges dude, apples and oranges :smoker:

[Kendoka_Han]

Seriously, this is KENDO-world not JESUS-world.

Why don't you say that to the thread starter?

Remember, your version of the "True Word" is another man's Blasphemy and vice versa.

LOL

1. What you just said had no supportive argument. I had a supportive argument when I quoted that Jedi trademark belief treaty.

2. It didn't make sense when you added "visa versa".

That said, I think that Scientists should make feral kittens and build up an army in order to get more grants or maybe make their own nation.

You should take charge in leadership status for the little cute kittens ;)

Science, FTW!

Science that is within the science of God, FTW!

Its like saying, Valve (maker of Half Life games), makes a new source engine that is so advanced, that the models and AI within the game question the "engine" itself, and randomly interact and test their environment out. While thats going about, God (Valve) goes along by looking upon the computer screen, and tweaking the engine and their lives.....interesting resemblance? lol

Kinda like how we question the "engine" we are living in, or really, this life / universe.....interesting resemblance? lol

PS - Star Trek > Star Wars

-ve

Starwars physics + aircraft + Jedi + people + THE FORCE > Star Trek

>:3
:laugh:

[Charuzu]

Why don't you say that to the thread starter?
Because the guy that started the thread just linked the site. He made no religious examination of it. Also, untill you arrived it was about the part in the thread where they were talking about "Lightsaber training". That is relevant to the forums, your religious ideas are NOT (Unless it's the flames section, everything is OK there save threats)




1. What you just said had no supportive argument. I had a supportive argument when I quoted that Jedi trademark belief treaty.
You were saying that "One more false church arises" and you quoted the commandments (which have nothing to do with the subject)

2. It didn't make sense when you added "visa versa".
It makes much sense. When you go on and rant about what you consider blasphemy (X-mas thread anyone?) you are going against their beliefs. Thus, in their eyes YOU are the blasphemer. You need to remember, when it comes to religion, keep it to yourself and/or your congregation.



You should take charge in leadership status for the little cute kittens ;)
Hell no, thanks to my sister we have 7 kitties already and there is no way I can take care of any more, in fact I'd rather get a few off my hands.


Science that is within the science of God, FTW!
No, actually Science is a system of acquiring knowledge based on the scientific method and reproducible experiments. Religion is but under the category "Faith" for a good reason... because it cannot be proved or Disproved unless the deity(s) in question made a personal appearance.

Its like saying, Valve (maker of Half Life games), makes a new source engine that is so advanced, that the models and AI within the game question the "engine" itself, and randomly interact and test their environment out. While thats going about, God (Valve) goes along by looking upon the computer screen, and tweaking the engine and their lives.....interesting resemblance? lol

Kinda like how we question the "engine" we are living in, or really, this life / universe.....interesting resemblance? lol
And then when the AI doesn't bow down and worship us we smite them till our ego's are back to full, amirite?




Starwars physics + aircraft + Jedi + people + THE FORCE > Star Trek
Star Wars has as much though put in it as my wardrobe... and have you ever seen me dress? Hell, pink is my favorite color.

Star Trek on the other hand is far more realistic, people are not bad just for the hell of it. Everyone has their own reasons. From the borg who hope to seek perfection and (forcibly) bring it to other races to the Talosians desperate to save their race. It's not black and white but shades of grey, just like the real world.
...Plus their are no whiny emo kids that decide to rebel against their elders and go around in all black talking about 'the dark side'. (Were not the east side or the West side.. Were the darkside)

[absenteekendoka]

Well he is a proven idiot.

I am sure Bill Gates did neither. What about Spielberg? What about David Beckham? What about HM the Queen?

there are lots of ways to make a million - the difficulty is thinking up new ones.

:) What I'm saying though is that thousands of people flock to a 'faith' that Hubbard more or less admitted to making up...and they keep believing this crap.....ammmmmazing to me. I really dont care what people believe but this is a little much even for me... :)

Gates......had a great geal of foresight.....wise in his own way.
Spielberg.....certainly didnt always produce winners...theres been a few reallll stinkers along the way which affected his credibility as an director....yet has recovered.
HM.......an inherhited title, yet still a great history as a much loved monarch, one of the last in the world.

Hubbard........he's dead and in a weird way still contrlols millions of people....hmmmmmmm sound familiar...:(

[Charuzu]

:) What I'm saying though is that thousands of people flock to a 'faith' that Hubbard more or less admitted to making up...and they keep believing this crap.....ammmmmazing to me. I really dont care what people believe but this is a little much even for me...

What I find sad is that people are hurt by their practices. Their treatments and methods are brutal and have resulted in a few deaths, also, the way that they guard their teachings are crazy. How can you claim to be a helpful religion if you dont let people know what you teach.

Gates......had a great geal of foresight.....wise in his own way.
.:(
Uhhh, as a programmer I have to say that their stuff is an example of how not to code. Not to mention that M$ has (had?) a nasty habit of stealing and bullying, dechu.

[Kendoka_Han]

Because the guy that started the thread just linked the site. He made no religious examination of it.

So this thread was NOT about a certain religious dominion, being provided towards the "market" and community, AND is being successful in believers?
(So far in USA and UK)

Also, untill you arrived it was about the part in the thread where they were talking about "Lightsaber training".

Yes indeed. Half was on how stupid this RELIGIOUS ordeal is, and the other half was about lightsaber training. However, what is the MAIN argument being presented by these Jedi force believers?

That is relevant to the forums

Jedi saber training is relevant to the forums? ;)

On a serious note, both you, me and the rest of the skillful kendoka here can admit that its NOT entirely a McDojo we are dealing with here. Its purely a religious institution being introduced, with some side works here, albeit, the saber training. 80% force worship, 20% saber training.

your religious ideas are NOT

2 Timothy 4:2-4 (King James Version)

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

:)

You were saying that "One more false church arises"

And what is wrong with this? I can have my own say? I gave the name of my post, and then the following REASONS in WHY it is another FALSE church arising!

and you quoted the commandments (which have nothing to do with the subject)

Well if it is to backup my argument, then how am I to prove my point? I can quote 10 fold the amount of scripture in regards to this Jedi order being satanic and full of false doctrine, but I rather just quote a simple SECOND commandment of the Lord to prove my point, anything wrong with this?

It makes much sense.

Lets see....

When you go on and rant about what you consider blasphemy (X-mas thread anyone?) you are going against their beliefs.

I am going against NON-christian beliefs, therefore is that blasphemy when we compare it to the bible and to Christ / God?

Thus, in their eyes YOU are the blasphemer.

Mate, to ANYONES eyes, even a satanists eye, will call me a blasphemer because I dont follow Lucifer and I dont regard him as the light.....anyone that are not christian, will call me a blasphemer to their religion. And the same with me to them.

Hell no

Why not?

thanks to my sister we have 7 kitties already and there is no way I can take care of any more, in fact I'd rather get a few off my hands.

Because they peek onto you when you whack off on your PC screen? ;)

No, actually Science is a system of acquiring knowledge based on the scientific method and reproducible experiments.

But, you forgot one more thing. Science is basically the measuring of this materialistic world yes?

Religion is but under the category "Faith" for a good reason... because it cannot be proved or Disproved unless the deity(s) in question made a personal appearance.

If I were to look at it from a non-christian scientific point of view. Yes.

If I were to look at it from a christian scientific point of view, I would add the fact that, you can measure prophecy, and you can measure this "engine" we live in, but to infinite lengths. Every time we find a new type of quark or gluon, we always go directly back to the creator / scripture in reasoning.

And then when the AI doesn't bow down and worship us we smite them till our ego's are back to full, amirite?

Well how would our egos be low? We would be concerned yes? We would be sad, concerned, and angry.

This life / universe "engine" is by the way, alot more complicated than the above mentioned computer game engine example I have given you. I am SURE you can understand that. I just gave a simple explanation, and since your computer savvy, its my way of getting across to your type of thinking.

Star Wars has as much though put in it as my wardrobe... and have you ever seen me dress? Hell, pink is my favorite color.

Yes, and other geeks whack off over WoW females! :eek: :laugh: ;)

Star Trek on the other hand is far more realistic

Yeh, like I can go 500 times the speed of light, or 1000 times....

...Plus their are no whiny emo kids that decide to rebel against their elders and go around in all black talking about 'the dark side'.

Does star trek resemble the forth coming New World Order?

[Kendoka_Han]

Is this the first splintering of the Church of Scientology?

http://a35.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_302440d964778764c7658b53cb070772.jpg

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[absenteekendoka]

What I find sad is that people are hurt by their practices. Their treatments and methods are brutal and have resulted in a few deaths, also, the way that they guard their teachings are crazy. How can you claim to be a helpful religion if you dont let people know what you teach.


Uhhh, as a programmer I have to say that their stuff is an example of how not to code. Not to mention that M$ has (had?) a nasty habit of stealing and bullying, dechu.

I still say he had foresight....but I would 100% agree on the ethics side of things when it came down to 'controlling' the market. Other influential people out there that did the same sort of thing....hmmmm Hughes, Rockefeller....and lets not forget everyones favourite anti semite Henry Ford....with out whose bitter diatribes about ethnic groups inspired Hitler......sigh...so sadly it makes you think whether or not Hitler's maniacal haterd for the Jewish people would've been abated by the abscence of that kind of literature.

[Reiver]

They have yet to know the power of the death star!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Death Stars are on the banned weapons list in the UK. It's official.

[absenteekendoka]

Death Stars are on the banned weapons list in the UK. It's official.

My after curry gas has thus far survived the ban :) ...though it has been described as a 'noxious substance'

And what am I supoosed to do with a half constructed death star?! Takes up a bit of room in the garage! :)

[Reiver]

My after curry gas has thus far survived the ban :) ...though it has been described as a 'noxious substance'

And what am I supoosed to do with a half constructed death star?! Takes up a bit of room in the garage! :)


Item 1 comes under chemical & biological warfare, and is probably mentioned in the Geneva Convention.



Must be a hell of a garage. :)

[absenteekendoka]

Item 1 comes under chemical & biological warfare, and is probably mentioned in the Geneva Convention.



Must be a hell of a garage. :)

Yah, zoning was a real bitch though :)

[Andrew S]

And what am I supoosed to do with a half constructed death star?! Takes up a bit of room in the garage! :)
I bet it looks good next to the Imperial Star Destroyer. Do you have any X-wing fighters up for grabs?

[Kendoka_Han]

I bet it looks good next to the Imperial Star Destroyer. Do you have any X-wing fighters up for grabs?

Well I would fly the falcon in, destroy it, then fly out. Easy ;)

[satsumaruma]

Seriously, this is KENDO-world not JESUS-world.
Remember, your version of the "True Word" is another man's Blasphemy and vice versa.

>:3

Jesus World - sounds like a theme park in the Deep South.:) Anyone got any good ideas for Ride names?:)

:) What I'm saying though is that thousands of people flock to a 'faith' that Hubbard more or less admitted to making up...and they keep believing this crap.....ammmmmazing to me. I really dont care what people believe but this is a little much even for me... :)

Gates......had a great geal of foresight.....wise in his own way.
Spielberg.....certainly didnt always produce winners...theres been a few reallll stinkers along the way which affected his credibility as an director....yet has recovered.
HM.......an inherhited title, yet still a great history as a much loved monarch, one of the last in the world.
[QUOTE]

I knew what you were saying - I just decided to go off at a tangent.

And hey you forgot Becks. have you got some manlove for him huh? Come on now you can tell us:laugh::laugh:

[QUOTE=Kendoka_Han;307790]Well I would fly the falcon in, destroy it, then fly out. Easy ;)


Sorry mate. This could never happen because the Falcon is basically an American vehicle and as we all know US cars are fundamentally rubbish. Made out of tin, Walmart plastic and bubblegum for wheels with the suspension from Boudicca's chariots.

Now if the Germans had made it.............

[Hisham]

Sorry mate. This could never happen because the Falcon is basically an American vehicle and as we all know US cars are fundamentally rubbish. Made out of tin, Walmart plastic and bubblegum for wheels with the suspension from Boudicca's chariots.


I thought it was an Aussie made car.

[absenteekendoka]

Jesus World - sounds like a theme park in the Deep South.:) Anyone got any good ideas for Ride names?:)


[QUOTE]



And hey you forgot Becks. have you got some manlove for him huh? Come on now you can tell us:laugh::laugh:




Sorry mate. This could never happen because the Falcon is basically an American vehicle and as we all know US cars are fundamentally rubbish. Made out of tin, Walmart plastic and bubblegum for wheels with the suspension from Boudicca's chariots.

Now if the Germans had made it.............

hmmmm, ok........nolove for becks...his wifey on the other hand..wellllllll, you could only begin to imagine ;) and sadly so could I.

[Kendoka_Han]

I thought it was an Aussie made car.

Ford Falcon has its fare share of 50/50 in business suites with the US and Australia.

Apart from the Holden engine, the Falcons are quite the beasts when it comes down to raw speed power. I would easily support the answer in the fact that they can compete against the BMW engines for example.

The Millennium Falcon has the name 'Millennium' for a reason here... ;)

[samurai80]

Kendoka Han,

Leave Charuzu alone. I'm not trying to come down on you here, but I think the thread was just supposed to be fun. You know...laugh, snicker, giggle, roll your eyes and go to another thread...that kind of stuff. I get it, you think the Jedi church is wrong. Me? I'm not really into Star Wars or having someone go on a rampage any time a thread contains something remotely religious. The things you are saying have crossed over from "I love Jesus", to blatantly offensive statements towards other religions. Let's just let it go. Please let it go, because I'm trying not to be an asshole like usual.

[Kendoka_Han]

Kendoka Han,

Leave Charuzu alone.

Why doesnt he leave me alone? Its my opinion in why this particular church is wrong. Not like I am creating threads and saying "ZOMG a new church is made, and its satanic...blah blah blah....."

Since the subject has been brought up, I was clearly talking directly TO the church, and not towards anyone here....

I'm not trying to come down on you here, but I think the thread was just supposed to be fun. You know...laugh, snicker, giggle, roll your eyes and go to another thread...that kind of stuff.

Yes I agree completely. For me, its a little more than to laugh at. It saddens me also to think about how immature people can be.

I get it, you think the Jedi church is wrong. Me? I'm not really into Star Wars or having someone go on a rampage any time a thread contains something remotely religious. The things you are saying have crossed over from "I love Jesus", to blatantly offensive statements towards other religions. Let's just let it go. Please let it go, because I'm trying not to be an asshole like usual.

I give my opinion according to what scripture says. Thats that really. I am not attacking ANYONE here for what they believe in. I just talk directly to the religion itself, (although that can mean I am talking to the individual of the religion being discussed).

[JCM]

Fair enough.


Obi Wan is totally still going to kick your arse thought...

[satsumaruma]

Jesus World - sounds like a theme park in the Deep South.:) Anyone got any good ideas for Ride names?:)




hmmmm, ok........nolove for becks...his wifey on the other hand..wellllllll, you could only begin to imagine ;) and sadly so could I.

Make love to Posh? yewwww. it would be like shagging a pipe cleaner with fake tits. Sorry, that does not appeal........... even to me.:ko:

[QUOTE=JCM;308526]Fair enough.


Obi Wan is totally still going to kick your arse thought...


Your arse can think????? Gosh I am so impressed.


:ko::ko:

[absenteekendoka]

Make love to Posh? yewwww. it would be like shagging a pipe cleaner with fake tits. Sorry, that does not appeal........... even to me.:ko:

[QUOTE=JCM;308526]Fair enough.


Obi Wan is totally still going to kick your arse thought...


Your arse can think????? Gosh I am so impressed.


:ko::ko:

I am Obi wan!!!! And my jedi mind tricks will bend her to my will.... :) Or just make her bend ;)

Or can I be your messiah........? Got a great dental plan and were worship free on weekends............plus you get a satin jacket too! :0

[satsumaruma]

Yes I agree completely. For me, its a little more than to laugh at. It saddens me also to think about how immature people can be.

).


I have just re-read this thread and picked on your comment here. Are you aware of its contradictory nature.

With one line you say that this 'church' is something for you to laugh at and then you say you are saddened by peoples immaturity. Do you not realise that laughing at other peoples beliefs is quite immmature in itself. Yes they may be a bit strange to others but who made me or you the arbiter of good taste?


I also have some concerns by the phrase that you are saddened by other peoples immaturity.
1- If other people want to act in an immatute manner provided they dot break the law or offend/upset anybody what has it got to do with you?
2 -Have you never done anything that was immature? If not, that is the truly sad thing.


I hope the words you wrote were not a true reflection of what you meant to say and that they were just rushed.


Lee

[Kendoka_Han]

I have just re-read this thread and picked on your comment here. Are you aware of its contradictory nature.

With one line you say that this 'church' is something for you to laugh at and then you say you are saddened by peoples immaturity. Do you not realise that laughing at other peoples beliefs is quite immmature in itself.

*sigh*

Please take up grammar classes. No offense. I am actually quite surpised at the lack of grammar used in this forum.

Re-read what I said.

"For me, its a little more than to laugh at."

Thats why I followed on with the sadness statement.

Yes they may be a bit strange to others but who made me or you the arbiter of good taste?

Read above

I also have some concerns by the phrase that you are saddened by other peoples immaturity.
1- If other people want to act in an immatute manner provided they dot break the law or offend/upset anybody what has it got to do with you?[

Well, in an honest since, I should care about myself, as it IS ME + Christ + Salvation for me, and each individual out there.

Yet again, it "SADDENS" me to SEE people follow such idiotic, false doctrine.

2 -Have you never done anything that was immature?

Sure have, backyard ninja kenjutsu :D

I hope the words you wrote were not a true reflection of what you meant to say and that they were just rushed.


I really did mean what I have said previously and in this post.

[Bokushingu]

Of course we all know that Obi Wan nor an elder Jem hadar could stand up to an experienced Predator with dual tracking lasers, laser whip, laser Star boomerang, state of the art US made Stealth suit with infared/ultraviolet senseors :)

[satsumaruma]

*sigh*

Please take up grammar classes. No offense. I am actually quite surpised at the lack of grammar used in this forum.

Re-read what I said.

"For me, its a little more than to laugh at."

Thats why I followed on with the sadness statement.



Read above



Well, in an honest since, I should care about myself, as it IS ME + Christ + Salvation for me, and each individual out there.

Yet again, it "SADDENS" me to SEE people follow such idiotic, false doctrine.



Sure have, backyard ninja kenjutsu :D



I really did mean what I have said previously and in this post.


Oh Dear.

I have re-read my post and can comment that whilst my spelling was erroneous my grammar was fine. Yours, however, was poor. I would also note that I forgot to include some punctuation which would have been useful - you, however, do not bother.

For the record- there is no such thing as Grammar classes. There is English (French, German whatever etc) and then there is incorrect use of English. Grammar, technically may be, like syntax, tendentious and subjective. (spoken English, written English, correct English are all conceptual to some degree and allow for some interpretataion - but not total) With me so far?

I followed your statement quite correctly, and, grammatically speaking, it was bloody dire. It did not flow, it was incorrect, it made no sense unless you made mental adjustments to 'read between the lines'. Now, this would be fine had you made any kind of suggestion to this effect - but you did not.

With regard to the theme of the subject; you have the absolute right to be saddened by what you may. I, of course, have the right to think you are a bit of a twat. I suspect you are 13 years of age and trying to prove yourself as a man. I would be very disappointed were you to reveal yourself as being any older than this.


It is quite clear you go out of your way to antagonise people on this forum- were it done with wit or humour I would reply with some witty riposte.

All I would say is.....need any help with your homework?

[turboyoshi]

Of course we all know that Obi Wan nor an elder Jem hadar could stand up to an experienced Predator with dual tracking lasers, laser whip, laser Star boomerang, state of the art US made Stealth suit with infared/ultraviolet senseors :)

But...but...Obi-Wan has the Force! :jaguar: He can block all those laser thingies and whatsnot.
Like even blindfolded and stuff, so that pwns all infrared/uv stuff. :smoker::laugh:

sean

[Bokushingu]

...not to mention Aliens would over-run the Sith led clone empire & the Borg in a matter of days!

[Kenzan]

It saddens me also to think about how immature people can be (http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/3162398.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=41CAE2DF95708CE2E91F147F7E9882F1A55A1E4F32AD3138 ).



I give my opinion according to what scripture says (http://www.rampantscotland.com/graphics/knox_john1600b.jpg). Thats that really. I am not attacking ANYONE (http://www.missionfrontiers.org/newslinks/images/thirds.jpg) here for what they believe in. I just talk directly to the religion itself, (although that can mean I am talking to the individual of the religion being discussed (http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/833/878692.JPG)).
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[Kendoka_Han]

Oh Dear.

+ve

I have re-read my post and can comment that whilst my spelling was erroneous my grammar was fine.

I wasn’t even talking about YOU needing to re-read YOUR post?

I was talking about YOU needing to re-read MY SENTENCE that was quoted BY YOU in YOUR post.

Hence, you yet again seem to "miss the bull by the tail".

Yours, however, was poor. I would also note that I forgot to include some punctuation which would have been useful - you, however, do not bother.

LOL, lets see AGAIN...

"For me,[why did I add a comma here?] it’s a little more than to laugh at."

What is the reason behind the words "little more", followed with "than" that is underlined due to an important aspect of the whole sentence, including the word "to", which is then followed on with the words "laugh at".

Please don’t tell me that you read this as, "Although I laugh, I am also saddened..."

The real grammatical meaning behind that sentence is basically, "I do not laugh, because it saddens me to see such immaturity..."

For the record- there is no such thing as Grammar classes. There is English (French, German whatever etc) and then there is incorrect use of English. Grammar, technically may be, like syntax, tendentious and subjective. (spoken English, written English, correct English are all conceptual to some degree and allow for some interpretataion - but not total) With me so far?

But the way you 'interpreted my' sentence shows the type of English I will need to use the next time we discuss anything...

I followed your statement quite correctly, and, grammatically speaking, it was bloody dire. It did not flow, it was incorrect, it made no sense unless you made mental adjustments to 'read between the lines'.

So basically I will have to spoon feed you each time I make an opinion?

Now, this would be fine had you made any kind of suggestion to this effect - but you did not.

Read above...and above...and my older posts.....oh wait, you might read them out of context....

With regard to the theme of the subject; you have the absolute right to be saddened by what you may. I, of course, have the right to think you are a bit of a twat. I suspect you are 13 years of age and trying to prove yourself as a man. I would be very disappointed were you to reveal yourself as being any older than this.

Opinion

All I would say is.....need any help with your homework?

Not really. At least I have the homework both in college and out of college to keep my logical understanding of both the real world, and the spiritual world; intact.

For you however, as much as I know I shouldn’t judge your intellect / private life, its save to say that you, like the rest of all ignorant atheists out their, seem to just blatantly claim without information, "This is right, and that is wrong".

Read above.

[Gideon]

Han - your method of discussion is grossly out of character with your professed spiritual beliefs.

You chide, deride and insult those with whom you engage in discussion. Your posts reek of arrogance despite only minimal provocation.

Perhaps this is my fault as I am the one who made the initial joke linking the subject of this post with an actual church/cult/whatever. Still, please take a moment from your legalistic, deconstructive soapbox to examine yourself and determine, not whether your theories and beliefs are in line with Christ's teachings (that's actually not at issue in this thread), but whether your attitude, treatment of others, and expression of belief are in line with Christ's teachings. You may find that they diverge a bit.

All that aside, I have found, yes from personal experience, that discussions regarding another's grammar to be remarkably productive... at destroying any potential substantive achievement in conversation. So, sure, let's assume you're right on all points... so what? What have you gained in this engagement? Not a thing.

[Kendoka_Han]

Han - your method of discussion is grossly out of character with your professed spiritual beliefs.

I can claim such a thing IF it’s to do with a religious topic at hand.

You chide, deride and insult those with whom you engage in discussion.

Because it takes the 3rd or 4th post to get the point across? Or to make the [insert member here] understand my point IF in a religious based discussion?

Your posts reek of arrogance despite only minimal provocation.

I would take this as pure opinion, though I can understand your view, about me being "arrogant" in such a topic.

I suppose you should say Dave Hunt, or T.A McMahon, or Kent Hovind, or Joe Schimmel, or I.D.E Thomas, for example, are probably the God Fathers of arrogance where my beliefs are concerned; according to you.

Still, please take a moment from your legalistic, deconstructive soapbox to examine yourself and determine, not whether your theories and beliefs are in line with Christ's teachings (that's actually not at issue in this thread), but whether your attitude, treatment of others, and expression of belief are in line with Christ's teachings. You may find that they diverge a bit.

Keywords here, 'may find'.

As a result, I have given my information in regards to why it’s a cult, what’s bad about it, etc.

I didn’t attack anyone, but as a result, I am the one attacked and called "immature / radical / lunatic, etc" for giving the reasons for my argument.

I then showed patience when discussing with those that called my Ideas idiotic. (Read 2 Timothy chapter 2 and 4 for patience)

And then, it came about a result of purely giving blunt facts about how irritable it can be, when people miss the point, or read out of context.

So, sure, let's assume you're right on all points... so what? What have you gained in this engagement? Not a thing.

I have gained the fact that the arguments given against me, only strengthens my faith even more. It’s really (sorry to say), ridiculous because of the pitiful arguments given across when related to "Why Kendoka_Han is wrong..."

[Bokushingu]

Will every thread this guy goes to turn into a religous war? does someone needs a timeout from the KWF?

I have gained the fact that the arguments given against me, only strengthens my faith even more
noone is attacking your faith; they are defending themselves from your abrasive personality.

[Kendoka_Han]

noone is attacking your faith; they are defending themselves from your abrasive personality.

So according to Charuzu, this following statement is not against me and my opinion NOT directed at anyone, initially?

Seriously, this is KENDO-world not JESUS-world.
Remember, your version of the "True Word" is another man's Blasphemy and vice versa.

That said, I think that Scientists should make feral kittens and build up an army in order to get more grants or maybe make their own nation.

Science, FTW!

PS - Star Trek > Star Wars

>:3

[samurai80]

You really can't stop, can you? Just let it die. It just keeps going, and I'm starting to think you do it just for the reaction you get out of people. I asked you nicely, but now I see you don't give a shit. What's the deal, man? I see, you tried to bring others back into the fray. You really want me to quote all the garbage that has spilled out of your posts? If I wanted to keep bringing up how offensive you've been, I could. Believe me, you posted plenty wood to throw on that fire. The religious stuff has got to stop. Discussions are fine, but this is definitely not a discussion. If your going to continue for the sheer joy of pissing us all off, at least make it funny.

[Anonymous]

You really can't stop, can you? Just let it die. It just keeps going, and I'm starting to think you do it just for the reaction you get out of people. I asked you nicely, but now I see you don't give a shit. What's the deal, man? I see, you tried to bring others back into the fray. You really want me to quote all the garbage that has spilled out of your posts? If I wanted to keep bringing up how offensive you've been, I could. Believe me, you posted plenty wood to throw on that fire. The religious stuff has got to stop. Discussions are fine, but this is definitely not a discussion. If your going to continue for the sheer joy of pissing us all off, at least make it funny.

Its called teenage jackass syndrome.

[Kagerou]

Errr welll it seems I returned to this thread and found it a mess...

....anyway, back to the point of this new church, I can't see it really taking off unless they get a hollywood spokesperson to convert.

Just like Scientology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Battlefield_earth_poster.jpg)

[always_learning]

You really can't stop, can you? Just let it die. It just keeps going, and I'm starting to think you do it just for the reaction you get out of people. I asked you nicely, but now I see you don't give a shit. What's the deal, man? I see, you tried to bring others back into the fray. You really want me to quote all the garbage that has spilled out of your posts? If I wanted to keep bringing up how offensive you've been, I could. Believe me, you posted plenty wood to throw on that fire. The religious stuff has got to stop. Discussions are fine, but this is definitely not a discussion. If your going to continue for the sheer joy of pissing us all off, at least make it funny.

Actually it has been my observation that more often than not the extreme religious (zealots) folks are in some manner are "broken" displaying all the hallmarks of moderate to severe personality disorders. Why such people feed from and are drawn to absolutist religious doctrines, believe antisemitism or anti<insert other religion> and above all the bizarre attachment to "end of world" theology - the second coming or "Rapture" sic is concern of mine. Han I believe he is one such personality and everything he sees and hears from others is clouded and distorted by world view that is at odds with reality to as you clearly put it "delusional".

[Kendoka_Han]

What's the deal, man?

That I cannot understand why everyone seems to hate christian doctrine (especially when I talk about it).

And I have come to a conclusion that, it hurts to know the truth OR if I mention ANYTHING in relation to false doctrine (Jedi Religion for example), you guys seem to act as if your supporters of such a religion?

I see, you tried to bring others back into the fray.

Nope. They just come out of no where, teaming up against one lone christian in this entire forum.....

You really want me to quote all the garbage that has spilled out of your posts?

If it is in regards to religion, go ahead.

If it is in regards to kendo, well, they were mainly questions linked to kendo, etc.

If I wanted to keep bringing up how offensive you've been, I could. Believe me, you posted plenty wood to throw on that fire.

I yet again cannot understand why you think this. I already explained myself in my latest previous posts in WHY I have been losing my patience.....

[samurai80]

Refering to charuzu again, was the point I was trying to make. He hadn't wrote anything directly to you since last time, but lo and behold...still whining about his posts from earlier.

As far as the "quoting you" thing...I could care less about the kendo stuff. Why would I bring that up here? You and I already had a talk about that stuff, and I agreed to stop being an asshole about it. However; quoting you on stuff that could be considered very offensive to others beliefs...there is plenty of it. You shouldn't tell people that they believe in false doctrines, that their church is wrong, that Islam isn't the truth, that any other religion isn't the truth. Don't say you haven't, 'cuz you have. The reason everybody is ganging up on you...well, you're coming off pretty high, and mighty. When you say things like, "the rest of all ignorant atheists out their," then you're sorta askin' for it. I'm not trying to get you to never post, I'm telling you that you can't talk to people like this. True, I talk a lot of shit, but its the same stuff I'd crack on someone for in "real" life. You probably aren't going to have a good day if you shit on someone elses religion, face to face. Maybe you can get away with it a couple times, but are you really that badass? Don't think I'm just coming at you wrong either. I just hope you'll think about how you say things, and keep others feelings in mind.

P.S. Unless they're ninjas, or have four or more patches on their uniform. Then its okay to disregard their feelings.

[Raindrop]

Kendoka_Han, I think you need to understand that people come to KWF to talk about Kendo and related issues. Passion for Kendo (and iaido, jodo, naginata...) is what we all have in common which means that beyond that we are all different people, with different backgrounds, different beliefs and in different situations.

Therefore bringing up a personal issue such as religion in more than just this topic is preaching and spreading your religious ideas which KW is not the place for. If people are interested in it, they have the whole internet to research on their own. For the rest of us, everytime you bring this up, it's annoying and disrespectful toward people of a different belief. Do you understand that?

This isn't the place to bring up personal religion at all, unless we talk about the influence of Zen Bhuddism on Kenjutsu. You shouldn't use it as an argument all the time because it doesn't contribute to any of the discussions. It only hurts people's feelings and it makes you look bad.

People aren't ganging up on you because of your religion, as I'm sure there are other Christians on this forum. People are reacting toward you in this manner, because of the way you behave yourself. It comes across very preachy, despite whatever good intentions you might have, and it hurts and annoys people and there is absolutely no reason/need for that on a forum dedicated to everyone who has a passion for Japanese Sword Arts.

Really, take a moment and think to yourself what it contributes to this community that you bring up christianity in many unrelated topics? All it does is make theads deviate from the original topic and get locked because people get upset. What's the point? In my eyes it crontributes exactly zero to KW. Then why post such things?

[JCM]

This was meant to be a humorous thread...

Han, you need to stop cartwheeling on these threads and let people have their fun.

Maybe this thread has run its course too...

[Hisham]

That I cannot understand why everyone seems to hate christian doctrine (especially when I talk about it).


Nobody here hates your beliefs or christianity, although the part i highlighted does make sense, in other words you should refrain from speaking about religion untill you understand that there's a difference between talking to someone from your own church and someone who doesn't even know that your church exists.

[Anonymous]

That I cannot understand why everyone seems to hate christian doctrine (especially when I talk about it).

They just hate it when people are jackasses about it. Kinda like how you've been after finally looking at whats been said around here.

And I have come to a conclusion that, it hurts to know the truth OR if I mention ANYTHING in relation to false doctrine (Jedi Religion for example), you guys seem to act as if your supporters of such a religion?

I haven't seen anyone here acting as supporters of it at all.


Nope. They just come out of no where, teaming up against one lone christian in this entire forum.....

You aren't the only Christian here, but you're pretty much the only one being a jackass about it.

[Kenzan]

Kendoka Han:

The best way to show others the beauty of your beliefs is not to preach to them, beat them over the head with them, humiliate them, argue with them, or berate them, but rather this is profoundly accomplished simply by living them yourself; which allows them shine from you and serve as the greatest examples of what you hold to be sacred.

[absenteekendoka]

Kendoka Han:

The best way to show others the beauty of your beliefs is not to preach to them, beat them over the head with them, humiliate them, argue with them, or berate them, but rather this is profoundly accomplished simply by living them yourself; which allows them shine from you and serve as the greatest examples of what you hold to be sacred.

Very well said. Tolerance, acceptance and patience should be what we all focus on, regardless of our own views. Peace to all..........



Now, where do I sign up for this Jedi thingy.......I think i can be theeee best Obi wan ever....ever!!!! :)

[Kendoka_Han]

Kendoka Han:

The best way to show others the beauty of your beliefs is not to preach to them, beat them over the head with them, humiliate them, argue with them, or berate them, but rather this is profoundly accomplished simply by living them yourself; which allows them shine from you and serve as the greatest examples of what you hold to be sacred.

Kenzan, I agree with what you say. I also, somewhat agree with the rest of the people who have posted in page 6 of this thread.

However....I will end this discussion by saying 2 things through scripture.

1. This one AGREES with what Kenzan says....

This is from 2 Timothy chapter 2 verses 23-25, King James Bible. I will bold the words which correspond to what Kenzan is meaning.

23But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

24And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

2. This next scripture is basically in accordance to what Paul said to Timothy, but he is also saying to 'fight' a Good fight. Basically, I dont care what everyone thinks if I 'down' a false doctrine.

2 Timothy Chapter 2, verse 15, 16,

15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

2 Timothy Chapter 4, verse 2, 3, 4

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [Jedi religion for example]

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

End Discussion.

[always_learning]

"Itching ears" ! From your perspective I am sure quoting biblical scripture proves your point, yet it only proves you are a nutter!

[Usagi_Yojimbo]

I for one quite fancy the idea of joining the jedi church. Do you get blue milk instead of wine? Jawa juice maybe? Bantha fodder instead of the host perhaps? And if the serman goes on a bit I could just force choke the vicar a bit to speed him up. It all makes sense to me.

I have a bad feeling about this....

[bobdonny]

Kenzan, I agree with what you say. I also, somewhat agree with the rest of the people who have posted in page 6 of this thread.

However....I will end this discussion by saying 2 things through scripture.

1. This one AGREES with what Kenzan says....

This is from 2 Timothy chapter 2 verses 23-25, King James Bible. I will bold the words which correspond to what Kenzan is meaning.

23But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

24And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

2. This next scripture is basically in accordance to what Paul said to Timothy, but he is also saying to 'fight' a Good fight. Basically, I dont care what everyone thinks if I 'down' a false doctrine.

2 Timothy Chapter 2, verse 15, 16,

15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

2 Timothy Chapter 4, verse 2, 3, 4

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [Jedi religion for example]

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

End Discussion.


Dude you said 2 things..... where did you learn to count?

1, 23, 24, 25, 2, 2, 15, 16, 2, 2, 3, 4

???????????????????????????????????


:laugh:

[satsumaruma]

+ve

Hence, you yet again seem to "miss the bull by the tail".

But the way you 'interpreted my' sentence shows the type of English I will need to use the next time we discuss anything...

So basically I will have to spoon feed you each time I make an opinion?

Read above...and above...and my older posts.....oh wait, you might read them out of context....

Not really. At least I have the homework both in college and out of college to keep my logical understanding of both the real world, and the spiritual world; intact.

For you however, as much as I know I shouldn’t judge your intellect / private life, its save to say that you, like the rest of all ignorant atheists out their, seem to just blatantly claim without information, "This is right, and that is wrong".

.

Ah now I understand you. Too much piety not enough faith. You regurgitate readings from the book to shore up your arguments as though they are the only points of validity.

For the record. Your grammar was poor. You have mixed two metaphors. I didn't 'interpret' anything - I only read what you had written and pointed out its shortcomings. If by 'spoonfeeding' you mean explain yourself more coherently - then yes you will have to do this. I read nothing out of context as everyone else seems to be telling you.

And I do not do the black and white thing - however you clearly have. You have been very judgemental about this 'new church' accusing people of being immature because they wish to be part of it. Is that what your church is about? Casting judgement!

I spoke to my chaplain about this matter and his view, as a devout Christian, was that if people wish to follow that path, then they have that right. He believed it was wrong but he went on to point out the basic flaws in Christian teachings, Muslim teachings etc.


....anyway, back to the point of this new church, I can't see it really taking off unless they get a hollywood spokesperson to convert.



Darth Vader maybe?:laugh:

That I cannot understand why everyone seems to hate christian doctrine (especially when I talk about it).

And I have come to a conclusion that, it hurts to know the truth OR if I mention ANYTHING in relation to false doctrine (Jedi Religion for example), you guys seem to act as if your supporters of such a religion?

.....


WHAT? I, for one do not hate Christianity. Now you Know. Was that plain enough for you to comprehend.

False Doctrine? Who says?

You are the kind of prat who gives Christianity a bad name. You wander round slighting any other faith or religion that does not fully agree with your views.

Well I have news for you sunshine, even the most devout of Christians will acknowledge that the Gospels are not 100% accurate (strange when even none believers may use the phrase - "the gospel truth" implying absolute truth). They note that the Gospels do not totally agree with each other.

The other problem you have is that the Bible as we know it is an edited version of what was actually written. Are you so blinkered that you believe everything you read in the papers - I sincerely hope not. They clearly edit things to suit the selling of their story. This happened to the Bible - Fact. Please explain the Naq hammadi scrolls and why they were not included. Please explain why there is nothing from Jesus himself. Clearly well educated, and a noted Rabbi. Why are there no records from him? There are so many inaccuracies in the Bible that it would take too long to list them (and before you go there - I have not overdosed on the Da Vinci Code; that was as mad as it gets). Want to know about Jesus - read the Qu'ran; very interesting. of course you will not do this beacuse it would confuse you and your dogma would crumble.

Kendoka_Han, I think you need to understand that people come to KWF to talk about Kendo and related issues. Passion for Kendo (and iaido, jodo, naginata...) is what we all have in common which means that beyond that we are all different people, with different backgrounds, different beliefs and in different situations.

Therefore bringing up a personal issue such as religion in more than just this topic is preaching and spreading your religious ideas which KW is not the place for. If people are interested in it, they have the whole internet to research on their own. For the rest of us, everytime you bring this up, it's annoying and disrespectful toward people of a different belief. Do you understand that?

This isn't the place to bring up personal religion at all, unless we talk about the influence of Zen Bhuddism on Kenjutsu. You shouldn't use it as an argument all the time because it doesn't contribute to any of the discussions. It only hurts people's feelings and it makes you look bad.

People aren't ganging up on you because of your religion, as I'm sure there are other Christians on this forum. People are reacting toward you in this manner, because of the way you behave yourself. It comes across very preachy, despite whatever good intentions you might have, and it hurts and annoys people and there is absolutely no reason/need for that on a forum dedicated to everyone who has a passion for Japanese Sword Arts.

Really, take a moment and think to yourself what it contributes to this community that you bring up christianity in many unrelated topics? All it does is make theads deviate from the original topic and get locked because people get upset. What's the point? In my eyes it crontributes exactly zero to KW. Then why post such things?

Very eloquent. And certainly more polite than I managed. Would've posrepped you but got to spread more about.

Kendoka Han:

The best way to show others the beauty of your beliefs is not to preach to them, beat them over the head with them, humiliate them, argue with them, or berate them, but rather this is profoundly accomplished simply by living them yourself; which allows them shine from you and serve as the greatest examples of what you hold to be sacred.

Absolutely. He will never achieve this though whilst he simply spout rhetoric without understanding what the teachings mean.

Kenzan, I agree with what you say. I also, somewhat agree with the rest of the people who have posted in page 6 of this thread.

However....I will end this discussion by saying 2 things through scripture.

1. This one AGREES with what Kenzan says....

This is from 2 Timothy chapter 2 verses 23-25, King James Bible. I will bold the words which correspond to what Kenzan is meaning.

23But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

24And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

2. This next scripture is basically in accordance to what Paul said to Timothy, but he is also saying to 'fight' a Good fight. Basically, I dont care what everyone thinks if I 'down' a false doctrine.

2 Timothy Chapter 2, verse 15, 16,

15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

2 Timothy Chapter 4, verse 2, 3, 4

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [Jedi religion for example]

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

End Discussion.


You just cannot give it a rest can you. People do not want to have you preach at them or have you endorse their comments with some lines pulled from the Bible.

All you have succeeded in doing is establishing that Christianity has one more crank in its midst.


K. Han. Are you Damian Lucifer in disguise?

Neil. Is it possible to not only lock this thread but launch it into the ether from whence it cannot return.

[Charuzu]

So according to Charuzu, this following statement is not against me and my opinion NOT directed at anyone, initially?

No, What I was saying is that this is a KENDO forum. This is not a place for religious babbling and trying to convert people who dont want to. If it's about Kendo, here is defenatly the place. If you want to talk religion go to beliefnet (http://www.beliefnet.com/) (or better yet, here (http://www.religioustolerance.org/))

as for hating you, I used try to be friendly to you. But after that little comment about my personal habits, dont expect much respect from me.


~~~ Now for something a little diffrent~~~~~



You know there once was a time, not too long ago when I was quite the jackass (kinda like you) on these forums. I whined about religion (Look up my past thread on Kamidana in the dojo) and was an all around arse (you can see that in my old postings too if you search). I always felt that I had to get the last word in and just made it worse and worse for myself.

But the thing is, the net citizens of Kendo-world rised up as one and told me to grow up and until then GTFO (Hai_hai, Neil_Genzwell and Paika mostly). I went to my sensei (Mr. Hillman) and bawwwwed to him.... and he told me to do suburi rather then spend time on teh internets. Doing that and focusing on kendo rather then my own arrogance I grew to be a better person. Then a short while back I finnaly went back to kendo-world. While I used to hate the people that trolled me into leaving I now have the utmost respect for them.



So now I tell you GTFO and come back when you grow up.

[Kendoka_Han]

Dude you said 2 things..... where did you learn to count?

1, 23, 24, 25, 2, 2, 15, 16, 2, 2, 3, 4

???????????????????????????????????


:laugh:

Do you understand the punctuation used for 1. and 2. ;)?

[Usagi_Yojimbo]

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good
blaster at your side, kid....

[ghostdancer]

Han please listen to people on this forum for a change and lighten up

Basically this thread has degenerated from a posting about a couple of sad and lonely nerds who appear not to know that Jedi mind tricks are not real and are the invention of a film maker do a rather heated rant about the nature of belief, like others have said in this thread this is a kendo related forum if you what to do is to preach do it else where
Follow Charuzu`s links or Raindrops advice but cut out the ranting it makes you look like a petulant child

[Hisham]

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good
blaster at your side, kid....

Can i hear a Chewbacca scream for this one.

[Usagi_Yojimbo]

Roooooooooooaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..... (Nothing like chewie was it? Was a bit crap actually, sorry everyone....)

In the words of Grand Moff Tarkin,

This bickering is pointless...

[JSchmidt]

Han, you need to stop cartwheeling on these threads and let people have their fun.

I reckon that for him, this is fun as he gets the attention he so desperately seeks.

[Kendoka_Han]

Ah now I understand you. Too much piety not enough faith. You regurgitate readings from the book to shore up your arguments as though they are the only points of validity.

Give me credibly sources of information to say that its NOT valid or truth?

For the record. Your grammar was poor.

Possible, and opinion.

You have mixed two metaphors. I didn't 'interpret' anything - I only read what you had written and pointed out its shortcomings. If by 'spoonfeeding' you mean explain yourself more coherently - then yes you will have to do this. I read nothing out of context as everyone else seems to be telling you.

Sadly then, in my opinion, this will just not lead anywhere.

And I do not do the black and white thing - however you clearly have.

Obviously the black and white 'thing' is the correct way to go?

You have been very judgemental about this 'new church' accusing people of being immature because they wish to be part of it. Is that what your church is about? Casting judgement!

I spoke to my chaplain about this matter and his view, as a devout Christian, was that if people wish to follow that path, then they have that right. He believed it was wrong but he went on to point out the basic flaws in Christian teachings, Muslim teachings etc.

He is not a christian, nor is he one that has studied the bible to its roots. I can safely judge him on THAT (christianity has flaws) claim alone.

IF however he was talking about christian denominations, or different bible VERSIONS (Like the NIV, NASB, NKJV, The Message, etc...), other than the original 1611 King James and the Torah; then he has a point.

Otherwise I can quote John and Ephesians for the fact that you can judge in a RIGHTEOUS manner?

John 7:24
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Ephesians 5:11 (King James Version)
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

WHAT? I, for one do not hate Christianity. Now you Know. Was that plain enough for you to comprehend.

Wow, you dont hate christianity? Then why claim contradictory statements with the fact that "its got flaws..."...unless your talking about the many specific denominations that call themselves "christian".

Or maybe your being nice and you embrace ALL religions ;)

False Doctrine? Who says?

Jesus Christ / God / The Holy Word (Bible)

You are the kind of prat who gives Christianity a bad name. You wander round slighting any other faith or religion that does not fully agree with your views.

And what is wrong with this?

According to you, statements Marilyn Manson makes against pure christian doctrine is completely fine....and we both know what type of a 'fruitful' nature hes into...

Well I have news for you sunshine, even the most devout of Christians will acknowledge that the Gospels are not 100% accurate (strange when even none believers may use the phrase - "the gospel truth" implying absolute truth).

IF comparing bible translated versions....

Otherwise there is NOTHING that can be disproven....and please dont use this old fashioned "oh the bible has been re-written countless of times, therefore theres flaws....like chinese whispers"...

WELL OBVIOUSLY that would be the case for the NIV, NASD, etc etc....but guess what? King James 1611 edition, coupled with the original Torahs; word for word, match the dead sea scrolls, for example.

They note that the Gospels do not totally agree with each other.

So when Christ gives the vision to John about the dining table in heaven, and he notes "2 witnesses" within the 7 candles.....that these 2 witnesses are not in harmony? Because the 2 of them are the OT and NT!

The other problem you have is that the Bible as we know it is an edited version of what was actually written. Are you so blinkered that you believe everything you read in the papers - I sincerely hope not.

You have hit the nail on the head at arc radian 0 degrees :)

Thats why I ONLY use the King James version, as its the only source-able version that translates from Hebrew into English in the clearest and precise sense.

They clearly edit things to suit the selling of their story. This happened to the Bible - Fact.

100% true. This can be seen in the NIV, NASD, NKJV, The message, Youngs translation, etc.

Occult terms have been added in, and the fact that Lucifers name has been re-worded or dismissed or infact has been put in the place of Christs name, is indeed something that is NOT inspired by God, and is thus prophecized at the end of the book of revelations.

Please explain the Naq hammadi scrolls and why they were not included.

According to the encyclopedias revolving around the Gospel after Philippus, they belong to the apocryphal scriptures - which were not included in the biblical canon around 400 and which were a factor in the Early Christianity.

It was not correct, to look at this "Gospel" altogether as some Gnostic writing, only because it mentions Gnostic ideas and the fact that it wasnt inspired by the Word of God. So the author of this "Gospel" had to mention one-sided ideas of different schools, for explaining his view of Christianity beyond that ideas (as the texts of Ways of Christ do). Dependent from the people he wanted to reach, such an early Christian paper could include very special topics and focal points, which did not belong to the main contents of Christianity. This does not change the fact, that it contains important traditions of Early Christianity too, which are not so clearly explained in the other Christian scriptures.

Please explain why there is nothing from Jesus himself.

Are you serious? The whole bible is basically from Jesus Christ our Lord himself to his prophets and authors of the time. It was his Holy Spirit that delivered the "word".

Why are there no records from him?

Read above

There are so many inaccuracies in the Bible that it would take too long to list them

There is none, and I have seen the list. Quite......idiotic and ridiculous if you ask me.

Want to know about Jesus - read the Qu'ran; very interesting. of course you will not do this beacuse it would confuse you and your dogma would crumble.

The answer is yes and no. The Qur'an contradicts itself. Sura Maryam 19:33 speaks of the death and the resurrection of Jesus. And so does Sura Al-Imran 3:55 in the original Arabic but has been distorted in the English translation.

Yet in Sura An-Nisa 4:157 all this is being contradicted. First the Qur'an says that Christ died, then it says that he did not die. It says that he was crucified and than it says that he wasn't. Muslim scholars can give no answer concerning these contradictions


K. Han. Are you Damian Lucifer in disguise?

Never. And I am pretty sure that Damian Lucifer hates christianity lol.

[Usagi_Yojimbo]

Is Damien Lucifer completely banned now?

[Kendoka_Han]

Is Damien Lucifer completely banned now?

Yes, as far as I know.

[JoDuncan]

Yawn.

Please stop.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Good night, thread.