kendo imaf testing?

[chainz]

did anyone test for kyu or dan under imaf?
www.imaf.com

[Fonsz]

Well we've got the Zen Ken Ren, the Butokai, the Nihon Kendo Kyo Kai and now the IMAF? How many grades can a poor boy get?
I'm sure I forgot some other organisations.:confused::confused:

[chainz]

well actually i belong to SEUKF for kendo and Iaido i belong to International martial arts federation, but the sensei wants to put the dojo under IMAf , according the test gonna be more difficult the keiko is going to be same rank level of you , with some advance guy and lower guy rank level, to see how is your reacction with differents ranl levels, more focuses on techniques, footwork and kendo kata the first 3 ones, and when you testing for ikkuy your perfome 5 kendo katas,perhaps something else that i forgot.

[bobdonny]

and when you testing for ikkuy your perfome 5 kendo katas,perhaps something else that i forgot.

Seems a bit daft? At ikkyu you could barely understand the concepts let alone be wasting your keiko practicing kendo no kata...

[Kagerou]

Wow! 5 kata for ikkyu?

I don't have to do 5 for my shodan, only 3....and I think the 3rd borders on what you should be learning as a shodan. Concept-wise at least.

But I'm assuming this thread will come down to a "how do you compare grades between regions?" discussion so I'll bow out now unless something else comes out of this.

[PhilMcLaughlin]

Seems a bit daft? At ikkyu you could barely understand the concepts let alone be wasting your keiko practicing kendo no kata...

Kata is NEVER a waste of practise time !!

[bobdonny]

Kata is NEVER a waste of practise time !!

I agree with your statement. But i think trying to teach 2nd/3rd kys to perform 1-5 kata at an examinable level is excessive. By all means teach kata but dont expect them to focus thier time on memorising the kata when they have still not learned the basics.

(maybe irish beginners are just slow ;) )

[PhilMcLaughlin]

Wow! 5 kata for ikkyu?

I don't have to do 5 for my shodan, only 3....and I think the 3rd borders on what you should be learning as a shodan. Concept-wise at least.

But I'm assuming this thread will come down to a "how do you compare grades between regions?" discussion so I'll bow out now unless something else comes out of this.

Back in the day we used to insist that people who were ready for ikkyu/shodan should at least know in outline form all 7 longsword kata & ideally all 10

its not so unusual !

[PhilMcLaughlin]

did anyone test for kyu or dan under imaf?
www.imaf.com


Back on thread

I dont know about the US but here in the UK I have found most of the IMAF people to be sincere and genuine martial artists

Of course there is the odd knob too, but we have those even in Kendo

hope that contributes

[Fonsz]

Back on thread

I dont know about the US but here in the UK I have found most of the IMAF people to be sincere and genuine martial artists

Of course there is the odd knob too, but we have those even in Kendo

hope that contributes
I say old chap, that's not very comforting to classify yourself as an "odd knob" is it?:eek::laugh:

Oh, I forgot to mention the British Kendo Renmei in the list of governmental bodies in things Kendo.:ko:

[PhilMcLaughlin]

I say old chap, that's not very comforting to classify yourself as an "odd knob" is it?:eek::laugh:

Oh, I forgot to mention the British Kendo Renmei in the list of governmental bodies in things Kendo.:ko:

Lol - I had a certain other Phil in mind

[skilled]

In Japan Ikyu tests they don´t even do Kata ...well its understandable due to the difference of ages between ikyus there and in Usa or other parts of the world.

[JSchmidt]

In Japan Ikyu tests they don´t even do Kata

Are you sure?

[chainz]

yes that the sensei told us on last saturday

[Oroshi]

In Japan Ikyu tests they don´t even do Kata
Someone in Japan disagrees with you:
http://www.osa-kendo.or.jp/judgment/

Here it states that ikkyu are required to do kihon, keiko and the first and second kata.

[yoda-waza]

I'm sure your sensei has his reasons but I don't see the point of it unless your dojo trains in a mixture of martial arts and members are expected to test under the criteria of an umbrella organization like IMAF. Does he feel the AUSKF rank and grading system is in some way an inadequate gauge of ability and/or understanding in kendo?

[Kagerou]

Someone in Japan disagrees with you:
http://www.osa-kendo.or.jp/judgment/

Here it states that ikkyu are required to do kihon, keiko and the first and second kata.

Don't know about the rest of the country but in Kamakura they don't require it.....think that goes for all of the southern Kanagawa region as well. Haven't seen a grading in Yokohama yet so I can't comment on that.

[Oroshi]

Don't know about the rest of the country but in Kamakura they don't require it.....think that goes for all of the southern Kanagawa region as well. Haven't seen a grading in Yokohama yet so I can't comment on that.
I suspected the requirement would be different for different local renmei, but I wanted to make the point that much of the time you can't just generalise and say "in Japan they do it like this."

[chainz]

i think he wants to get parallel w IMAF and AUSKF. 'cause many friends are going to gainsville taikai and they gonna get tested over there and other they goona wait till the US national in Las Vegas.
LAST YEAR Iaido we went under IMAF and Kendo under AUSKF, but this year we going under IMAF AND AUSKF.

[skilled]

Sorry I did not mean to generalize =)

[Kenshi]

kyu grades in Japan are generally the job of the dojo to hand out. If you are an adult you will probably be given your ikkyu without a grading. Ive seen people get given the menkyo just as they send of their shodan application.

Kids get treated differently and - generally - so do those that train with them: depends if you are training with kids in a kids club or at school in a kendobu (like many a kendo-beginner English teacher). Remember, 3dan is still a "childs" grade over here (even if you arent a child).

Kata over here is generally treated as not too important until round about 6dan (ive had many a chortle watching 5dan gradings). There is a correlation between age, dan, and what your role in the kendo community is.

We place extra emphasis on kata in the west simply because its easier than shinai kendo and more romantic, I believe.

IMAF gradings? If you are already AUSKF then there is no obvious benefit unless your group is pocketing the grading fees.


Sorry I did not mean to generalize =)

Better not to comment than to generalise and spread (2nd hand?) rumours.

[Fonsz]

IMAF gradings? If you are already AUSKF then there is no obvious benefit unless your group is pocketing the grading fees.

It's always about money, politics or differences in views (read people having a fight). I think you got a point there and it wouldn't surprise me if you hit it right on the nose.

[Winter516]

for a 3rd kyu grading in NZ you need to know up to kata 2, for 2nd kyu up to kata 3 and ikkyu you need to know up to kata 5

[chainz]

w ell now my sensei told us the imaf test would be like a back up rank, the auskf is the principal,tomorrow is my test on both kendo and iaido but unfortunally i had a renal colic and i end up in E.R till 7 pm and i couldn't train to correct my mistakes, so i guess i gonna do it next examination.

[Knicky]

w ell now my sensei told us the imaf test would be like a back up rank, the auskf is the principal


Never heard of that before.

[Fonsz]

Never heard of that before.
Yeah it's always handy to have one on backup if they revoke your Menjo.

[JoDuncan]

Sounds like a load of pish to me.

If you have graded and passed conforming to the AJKF (ZNKR) by a legitimate national body then it is inconsequnetial what another organisation thinks or does.

In the UK kata requirements are:

Ikkyu: Kihon Keiko Ho: 1st 4 forms
Shodan: Nihon Kendo Kata: 1st 3 forms
Nidan: I'll worry about that next year ;) but I think it's the first 5 forms of the Nihon Kendo Kata (don't quote me on that though)

A couple of years ago, i think a year before i did ikkyu, you were required to do the first 3 Nihon Kendo Kata.... then the kihon keiko ho were introduced.

[JSchmidt]

A couple of years ago, i think a year before i did ikkyu, you were required to do the first 3 Nihon Kendo Kata.... then the kihon keiko ho were introduced.

Most other places require the first 3 forms of Nihon Kendo no Kata for ikkyu.

[JCM]

Out of curiosity, is the Kihon Kata still required in the UK for gradings?

[JSchmidt]

Out of curiosity, is the Kihon Kata still required in the UK for gradings?


Yes, for ikkyu they have to do the first 4. Then the first 3 forms of Nihon Kendo no Kata for shodan, etc.

[hl1978]

Most other places require the first 3 forms of Nihon Kendo no Kata for ikkyu.

I've heard that hawaii still requires 1-5.

When I took my first test, all kyu ranks were required to do 1-3, but that was about 10 years ago. Perhaps that was because they would award up to ikkyu on your first exam?