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Kagerou
29-01-2008, 10:31 AM
Hey everyone,

I'm posting this here because I'm at work and once again you guys have said something naughty that is preventing me from getting into the flames forum

Shame on you all....

Anyways, here's a fun one you'll all enjoy.

Kenjutsu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leQa-kJgT4U)
Kendoka_Han
29-01-2008, 12:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDCEjzyv1Ys

same style? It looks legit, but the accuracy of form provided is sadly not as good as the beginners that are taught here in Australia. I am quite glad that I have a good skilled sensei and dojo to train in
Kagerou
29-01-2008, 02:00 PM
Well to me it looks like kendo (well not very good but still...) and they're calling it kenjutsu. Is the person posting this just uninformed or is this just someone making stuff up as they go along?
manjisan
29-01-2008, 02:05 PM
It kind of looks like the people who are doing it are young - perhaps not. It's really odd, in my opinion.
PlutoInLove
29-01-2008, 04:08 PM
They've got to be beginners, but... what was with that primordial, feral screech? Someone's repressed. See, this is my problem with the "Louder is always better" School-of-Kiai. (Further exposition to follow, I've been wanting to rant about this for a while.)
JSchmidt
29-01-2008, 08:26 PM
Nah, it's from Instituto Niten, a highly (commercially) succesful kendo McDojo.
More of their 'stuff' here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et6RyDsGX90&feature=related
Fred27
29-01-2008, 09:18 PM
Yeh one of their chronies has been on E-budo and kendo-world pursuing a crusade agains't the legit Hyoho Niten Ichi ryu tradition. Most likely an inferiority complex.
ejstans
29-01-2008, 09:24 PM
Really? Instituto Niten is referenced from the Hyouhou Niten Ichi Ryuu homepage and Jorge Kishikawa is there said to have received Menkyo Kaiden:

http://www.nitenichiryu.jp/training.htm
nico storm
29-01-2008, 10:34 PM
In theory, Communism works. In theory!
nico storm
29-01-2008, 10:44 PM
From the way I understand it, the Gosho-ha line of HNIR is not recognised by the main koryu groups in Japan.
Fred27
30-01-2008, 12:01 AM
Really? Instituto Niten is referenced from the Hyouhou Niten Ichi Ryuu homepage and Jorge Kishikawa is there said to have received Menkyo Kaiden:

http://www.nitenichiryu.jp/training.htm

Thats not the official HNIR website. That is the official Gosho-ha HNIR org & website that this Niten Institute guy belongs too.

THIS (http://www.hyoho.com/Hyoho1.html) is the website administrated by the official Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu tradition.
ejstans
30-01-2008, 12:32 AM
Hmmm, okay, but it seems this situation is a little more complex than just the regular ole' McDojo-soke-professor-doctor nonsense, no? Can someone help me get a better grip on the situation?

Ignoring this Brazilian fellow for the moment, have I understood correctly that the "problem" begins with Gosho Motoharu creating the Gosho-ha branch? Was he a legimate shihan of the school? I realize it might be foolish to trust wikipedia on this...
What about the other qualifications listed, such as hanshi 8-dan iaidou and 7-dan kendou?
Neil Gendzwill
30-01-2008, 12:38 AM
Just search for Kishikawa here or on e-budo. There's a lot of bad press.
ScottUK
31-01-2008, 09:23 AM
Hmmm, okay, but it seems this situation is a little more complex than just the regular ole' McDojo-soke-professor-doctor nonsense, no? Can someone help me get a better grip on the situation?Its irrelevant.

We do our thing and they do theirs.
Bokushingu
31-01-2008, 10:04 AM
Nah, it's from Instituto Niten, a highly (commercially) succesful kendo McDojo.
More of their 'stuff' here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et6RyDsGX90&feature=related

why they only have 1 judge? or are the other two out of view?
ejstans
31-01-2008, 04:20 PM
Its irrelevant.

We do our thing and they do theirs.

Fair enough, I was just curious is all...
ScottUK
31-01-2008, 06:11 PM
Sorry, bud - I wasn't being an arse (for a change) towards you, but I personally am sick and tired of the nonsense on Wikipedia about the various offshoots of NIR and their claims to fame - and also of Mr Kishikawa and his McBollocks.
Kagerou
31-01-2008, 06:27 PM
Organize a raiding party and make off with all their equipment. Sure it's half way across the world but it's a good excuse for a vacation and it might do the world of JSA some good.
ScottUK
31-01-2008, 06:30 PM
I bumped into the dojo one of the NIR offshoots while in Kumamoto. I had my gear with me as I was doing some keiko at Reigando and if it wasn't for how pissed my sensei would be at me, I would've knocked on the door for some friendly 'practice'... ;)
ejstans
31-01-2008, 06:37 PM
Sorry, bud - I wasn't being an arse (for a change) towards you, but I personally am sick and tired of the nonsense on Wikipedia about the various offshoots of NIR and their claims to fame - and also of Mr Kishikawa and his McBollocks.

Oh no worries! :)
Actually, I admit being suckered by the Wikipedia article in the first place...
I got a PM that explained a lil' bit more about the situation, and my curiosity is now quelled, hehe.
Kagerou
31-01-2008, 06:37 PM
Well...I think he would have been mad at for doing it...on the record. When no one else was around he probably would have congratulated you and asked you how bad you clobered them.

Next time you're down that way at least throw a brick at one of their windows. Very theraputic.
ScottUK
31-01-2008, 07:06 PM
Naah, in true Musashi-style I will throw a kodachi... ;)
Usagi San
31-01-2008, 10:08 PM
The thing that troubles me the most about niten (the brasilian school) is the total lack of shame Mr. Kishikawa demonstrates. Because, after all, he was a good kendoka... he was.
He had a great carrer as an international competitor, he comes from a family of kendoka, but somewhere along the line I guess money spoke louder.
You should listen to his interviews. He sells the "modern samurai lifestyle" bullshit like nobody else... and people really buy it.
Oh, man.