USA vs KOREA 50MB

[Voidsamurai]

Hello:

This time is not an exam, but for those people who wants to
see USA VS KOREA WKC 50MB download, this is the link.
(I’m looking for more…………………… enjoy it)

http://students.washington.edu/uwkc/koreaUSA.wmv

[A P]

Between American, Japan, and korea. Which country is the best of the best

over all in Kendo?

[Hongsermeier]

Japan is the best. No question. That being said, the others are closing the gap very quickly. :cross_eye

[LNGUYEN]

Does anyone else have problem getting into this site beside me?

[Voidsamurai]

Yesterday the link works fine…………what the $#@$#@$# *(
For some reason today is impossible

pardon me,

[Craig Jones]

Between American, Japan, and korea. Which country is the best of the best

over all in Kendo?


Canada all the way!! Consider the number of people in our country compared to Japan, Korea, USA, etc and then look at the quality of our kenshi, and try to tell me we are not one of the best in the world... Canada has finished 3rd in over half of the last 10 or 11 world championships.

[dorkusxmaximus]

Japan is of course still number 1, but Korea, US, and Canada's catching up. Who beat Canada in this year's WKC ^_^??? USA of course mwahahaha.

[Raiza]

*cough*our women's team placed third*cough*

[dorkusxmaximus]

Yeah because USA ( the girls) had to go up against the Koreans early.

[A P]

How many counties are involved in kendo beside USA, Canada, Korea, and Japan.

I am new to the kendo world. Plaese enlighten me... :angry: :angry:

"taking thing seriously" :angry: :angry: :angry:

[Andoy]

there there......let's just put it to the fact that Japan is number 1 PERIOD. Although countries seem like they're getting closer, i'm not surprised if another Miyazaki or Eiga comes out of Japan again.....then they'll raise the bar EVEN further!

[Andoy]

[QUOTE=Chanon Absomtua]How many counties are involved in kendo beside USA, Canada, Korea, and Japan.[QUOTE]

Kendo is pretty much global. In any country you go you'll find kendo. Why don't you visit the 12th WKC site? It probably has a list of participating countries or something.

[hamish]

Go to our front page and go to community/federation links/kendo for a list of the countries with kendo federations. There are also a lot more that don't have federations but that still do kendo.

Hamish

[JRyo]

"Who beat Canada in this year's WKC ^_^??? USA of course mwahahaha."

LoL, thats funny, and who has been beating the U.S. for the last 21 years at WKC ? Also considering the fact that 90% of the U.S. team is located in Southern California (the other 10% in Northern California), practice time is much more convenient. Go Schwarzennegger!

"Yeah because USA ( the girls) had to go up against the Koreans early."

Canada's womens team went up against Korea in their pool at the 11th WKC and they beat Korea.

[JRyo]

Sure we could go on and on and on about past teams exploits etc... who is better bla bla bla the main problem at WKC is the shimpaning. Of course i'm not being biased but lots of the European shimpan dont know how to Judge from what i've seen in the past WKC Kendo tapes. Most of the points givin were only 2 flags out of 3, everyone seems to have a different Idea of what a clear point should be, or they just seem to observe the team with the strongest reputation and waiting for them to score a point. (Best example of this is Canada/Japan 11 WKC and Mandia/Hirao 12 WKC). Shimpaning is no doubt the toughest job for Kendo shiai but there should be a bare minimum not just in rank.

[dorkusxmaximus]

I was told that judges aren't supposed to be biased. Well, I'm in no place to criticize shimpans, so I won't say anything negative. Let me get this straight, you're telling me these European shimpans who are all nanadan, I presume, can't judge for beans? Hey Neil or a sensei, can you tell me what your thoughts are about the European judges and shimpaning?

[mingshi]

...Of course i'm not being biased but lots of the European shimpan dont know how to Judge from what i've seen in the past WKC Kendo tapes. Most of the points givin were only 2 flags out of 3, everyone seems to have a different Idea of what a clear point should be...
Gee, 2 flags out of 3 meaning one person cannot see the ippon at his angle, and that's why you need 3 judges in the same shiaijo! Besides, do you know that all the courts had judges mixed from other continents as well?

*****
As for the USA/Canada issue, IMHO although Canada had been the winner for the last few WKC, this year USA manage to field in a team of fresh blood, while the Canadian team still have old faces showing up. That'll be a indication of ...hmmm... something. But let's see how everybody is up to in Taiwan. Maybe each country has its new tactics now.

[JRyo]

"Gee, 2 flags out of 3 meaning one person cannot see the ippon at his angle, and that's why you need 3 judges in the same shiaijo! Besides, do you know that all the courts had judges mixed from other continents as well?"

-Just watch F.Mandia vs Hirao again.


"[...]this year USA manage to field in a team of fresh blood, while the Canadian team still have old faces showing up. That'll be a indication of ...hmmm... something. [...]"

That's very true, Team USA did amazingly well all due to hard work, but then again its very easy to field a fresh new team when the Kendo community is 12 times bigger.

[wingdelta]

hmm... is the link gone? moved? or temporary down?

[Andoy]

To tell you the truth, I wouldn't count out Canada just yet....they had one Team Canada member who was from my dojo and he's in his early 20's. Now if I recall, he finished tied in pts in tryouts with another member (same age) but got made the team with more wins. So yeah, while Canada's current team is aging, you can be sure that there'll be very good replacements once the senior members stop competing.

But you have to give credit to the americans. A fine performance at the Worlds. Can't take anything away from them.

Still though, JAPAN will probably always be number one IMO. Their kendo is just way up there.

[Andoy]

True true, we have a small kendo community compared to the americans but hey, we're one big happy family! I don't really see it as a setback though.

[indigo0086]

I know I'm late, but is there any other host for this file, I am interested in joining kendo and would like to see this video.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Hey Neil or a sensei, can you tell me what your thoughts are about the European judges and shimpaning?
I wouldn't presume to comment on them, as I haven't seen the matches or judging in person. Furthermore, as I'm not qualified myself to officiate at such a level it would not be appropriate for me to comment on their judging.

LoL, thats funny, and who has been beating the U.S. for the last 21 years at WKC ?
The US has had quite a few unfortunate draws in previous years. If you consistantly meet Japan in the quarters, its tough to criticise not making the semis. Also, it's hardly fair to say Canada has been beating the US unless they actually go head to head like they did this year. I don't have the draws from previous years so I'm not sure if the US and Canada have ever met up in the draw before. I can say that Canadian kendoka have held their own in tournaments attended by the US and Canada over the years (like Steveston and PNKF) and also say that we can be justifiably proud of Canadian accomplishments in competition, given our small population.

[Anjin-san]

any chance of getting that link working?

[KeijockMuniz]

Anyone saw Brazil vs Italy???? I would like to see the video, but if someone can make a "review" of the fight to me, I´ll be pleasured. Still can´t believing that we fall before Italy...

[moocow65]

worst judging ever: hirao vs. mandia. he kicked the crap out of hirao. 2-0 from what i saw. the italians sure weren't happy when mandia lost. the placed filled with "boos." yeah, to anyone who saw this video (usa vs. korea), i sure was mad when they gave me the hansoku for knocking my korean opponent's shinai out of his hands. well whatever, nothing i can do about it now. hahahah. now as for which country is better.... japan korea yah yah we know. and for the time being, usa is better than canada if we based it on the wkc. as for canada's kendo community not being as large as the US and making that a factor as to a reason why which team is better, i think it all depends on how many of the kenshi are really "homegrown" i.e. trained in their own country for all their lives. guys like asaoka (keishicho) and kamata (college) have trained for long periods of time in japan right? the yang brothers have done the same. they are one of the best. and that really has nothing to do with how large the kendo community is in their respective countries. as for homegrown kenshi like myself, i think that's when the kendo community size matters a little bit. whatever, in general i think usa and canada are the same. although i personally think the canadian women are stronger. they sure are more aggressive and tougher i.e. Y.Hayashi for example. hahah. hey hopefully i'll see some canadians at the PNKF tournament this saturday.

[Neil Gendzwill]

guys like asaoka (keishicho) and kamata (college) have trained for long periods of time in japan right?
I think Suguru spent a summer there, but Shigemitsu has clocked a lot of time in Japan. Daisaku Taguchi was training with a police dojo for the better part of a year I think.

personally think the canadian women are stronger. they sure are more aggressive and tougher i.e. Y.Hayashi for example.
Is that Mako's little sister? Haven't met her. Mako is certainly strong, and there isn't any quit in Wendy Nakano either. Whoops, that should be Robillard now.

[moocow65]

yup that is mako's little sister. she's really cool. mako's really tough too.

[tsuba_man]

Go australia!! I'm pretty new to the sport and im guessin us aussies aren't doin too well on the world circuit but how do we rate?

[fukkenlazy]

One day the province of Quebec will separate from Canada and WE will kick all ass, Japan, US, CAnada, korea bring them on!! :silly:

[litige]

It all depends on how you see Kendo, personnaly i don't consider Kendo to only be sport, bun more of a teaching and a way of doing things, or living. But really not an olypian sports (hope it never makes it). Since the kendo teaching is roughly the same everywhere, we are all on the same level by practice time, then again, in Japan they practice a lot more, so, it's quite obvious they have more talented kendo. One must also understand the basics to make full use of his skills. As for the spirit they are no good or bad country, exept if there is a country that only teach it as a sport (that sucks no?).

[litige]

maybe off-topic for some, but still, my greatest personnal statement of my life!

[itazura]

I hate to say it but most of the argument here is pretty inane.

Like it or not Japan is number one. Add to that the fact that Japan could probably field at least a hundred teams that would beat all the rest of us. Police, college, and high school wouldn't even surprise me. I don't know what their selection process is for the team but you don't see any of their blazing fast college guys on the team. Mainly because they don't seem to let them.

Since Korea consistantly finishes no. 2 then I think that settles that. They surely don't have the depth that Japan does though.

Where does that leave the rest of us? We're the B teams. And we'll likely stay there for a long time since we don't have a bunch of pros that do kendo 6 days a week.

Now if you like you can continue on and debate who is the strongest B team.

I don't think this diminishes the effort of our teams, but that's reality. And don't try to feed me all the Kendo is much more line. Yes it is and I like that part, but tournaments are for winning. That's why they have those big shiny things they give out.

[jonjayjaca]

Between American, Japan, and korea. Which country is the best of the best

over all in Kendo?
it is Taiwan...next to Japan

talk to me if you want to,

jay

[taiwnezboi]

it is Taiwan...next to Japan

talk to me if you want to,

jay


I'm Taiwanese and I love Taiwan, but Korea is definitely second to Japan. Taiwan comes in 3rd sometimes.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Here's ranking by WKC results (count of placings in the men's team division):

Country 1st 2nd 3rd
Japan 12 0 0
Korea 0 7 2
Canada 0 2 5
Brazil 0 2 4
Taiwan 0 1 4
USA 0 0 5
Hawaii 0 0 2
Okinawa 0 0 1
Italy 0 0 1

No other countries/organizations have placed in the best 4. The second place finishes by non-Korean teams were all prior to 1988, where Korea took 2nd and has held that position ever since. Third place finishes have as much to do with the draw as they do the strength of the team - draw Japan or Korea early and you're out of luck.

Edited to say - sorry about the formatting, can't seem to force a table-like thing out of this editor.

[AlexM]

Here's ranking by WKC results (count of placings in the men's team division):

Country 1st 2nd 3rd
Japan 12 0 0
Korea 0 7 2
Canada 0 2 5
Brazil 0 2 4
Taiwan 0 1 4
USA 0 0 5
Hawaii 0 0 2
Okinawa 0 0 1
Italy 0 0 1

No other countries/organizations have placed in the best 4. The second place finishes by non-Korean teams were all prior to 1988, where Korea took 2nd and has held that position ever since. Third place finishes have as much to do with the draw as they do the strength of the team - draw Japan or Korea early and you're out of luck.

Edited to say - sorry about the formatting, can't seem to force a table-like thing out of this editor.

Those stats can't be right: I'm sure the US placed 2nd at the first WKC.

This is all assuming that you can totally judge a country's strength in kendo on their performance and the WKC. I wouldn't rank Italy as the top team in Europe for instance. Hungary and France are stronger on a regular basis.

Plus those rankings don't show the relative progress or decline of some teams over others. Some countries are getting better while others can't seem to win anymore.

Like Neil said the drawing counts alot too: Pool A had the USA, Japan and France together in Glasgow. So one of the top teams in Europe didn't get out of the round robin (although that doesn't excuse the whinning I read from a French Team member's internet diary about Glasgow... something to the effect that the US team was "All Japanese" anyway, what an ignorant jackass).

[moocow65]

All Japanese?? I'm all Okinawan. I'm also a 100% USA kenshi, which means I have never gone to Japan to train. Alot of kenshi in the US are Japanese, but train only in the US. That was ignorant of him to say such a thing.

[Mr.Tvola]

I hate to say it but most of the argument here is pretty inane.

Like it or not Japan is number one. Add to that the fact that Japan could probably field at least a hundred teams that would beat all the rest of us. Police, college, and high school wouldn't even surprise me. I don't know what their selection process is for the team but you don't see any of their blazing fast college guys on the team. Mainly because they don't seem to let them.

Since Korea consistantly finishes no. 2 then I think that settles that. They surely don't have the depth that Japan does though.

Where does that leave the rest of us? We're the B teams. And we'll likely stay there for a long time since we don't have a bunch of pros that do kendo 6 days a week.

Now if you like you can continue on and debate who is the strongest B team.

I don't think this diminishes the effort of our teams, but that's reality. And don't try to feed me all the Kendo is much more line. Yes it is and I like that part, but tournaments are for winning. That's why they have those big shiny things they give out.

I think you are right. I also think IKF should re-consider A and B tournamements (at least for the team competition), as they were in WKC in Kyoto. I believe that this would make a better competition. Stronger teams JPN, KOR, USA, CAN, BRA, TAI (..) would be free to skip all the boring and pre-decided matches with the far more weaker teams. And the weaker teams could finally have some real chance to win anything not only by their lucky position in the chart.

What do you think about this (A and B tourneys at th WKC)? Works pretty well e.g. in ice hockey...

[Neil Gendzwill]

Alex - Taiwan was 2nd at the 1st WKC. USA has never placed better than third. And of course team results at WKC aren't the ultimate ranking parameter. For one thing, it doesn't show depth. Japan for example could field dozens of teams and probably get similar results. Canada and the USA? Not so much, although a 2nd-string team from either could still probably do reasonably well. Some countries struggle to field even one team, especially in the women's division.

As far as A and B competition - it was tried and IIRC it wasn't done again at the request of the B teams, who wanted to compete in the main event even though they knew they had no real chance. Good for them.

[AlexM]

I can't find my old source for what I said. I thought the US had taken 2nd at the first WKC... maybe I confused the ranking for the fact that they hosted the 2nd championship.

The French dude obviously saw the last names of the US team members (or Canada's for that matter) and assumed that all these competitors were Japanese: Despite the fact that most were born in the US, don't necessarily speak Japanese and simply grew up as Americans. Of course he might have been commenting on the fact that kendo hasn't made it too far from the Japanese-descended communities in which it originated. The dominant players in te USA, Canada and Brazil are all usually of Japanese origin.

[Neil Gendzwill]

The Canadian teams that placed 2nd were pretty much Japanese immigrants IIRC. I think Murao-sensei may have been the exception. At any rate, they all stepped down to make way for the younger people, who were raised in Canada and did most of their training here. A lot of them are sensei's kids though. I think it would be good to see kendo spread out more beyond the Japanese-Canadian community.

[sputnikk]

I can't find my old source for what I said. I thought the US had taken 2nd at the first WKC...

Good link if you want the facts:
http://www.kendo.or.jp/english-page/english-page2/World-Kendo-Championships.htm

[DanDan]

if u include kumdo, Korea is probably better than USA since a lot of ppl practice kumdo everyday starting when they r very young (like the japanese with kendo).

[Leon]

I have been trying the link for weeks now, to no avail. Is there any other site that this vid can be downloaded from? I would love to get a copy of my own.

Thanks,

Leon