Nitto kirikaeshi

[Legionario]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xcwx8dRHY8

Only one question to the nito guys here: "Is this one the proper manner to perform kirikaeshi from nito???" :ermm:

[Kapplow]

A Nito guy did kirikaeshi on me once and it didn't look like that. His first set was with the long one and his second set was with the short one. On the other hand I've seen other types of kirikaeshi with itto so...

[D'Artagnan]

I'm not a nito player, but that 'kirikaeshi' is a complete waste of time and energy, what is he hoping to improve about his kendo by doing it that way???

[Kenzan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xcwx8dRHY8

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[misterkurukuru]

good god that sucked much balls.

[Kagerou]

He wasn't even trying to extend his right arm. His left looked ok.

Maybe it was a speed drill. We're seeing it out of context from a third party.

[manjisan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xcwx8dRHY8

Only one question to the nito guys here: "Is this one the proper manner to perform kirikaeshi from nito???" :ermm:

No, that is not the proper way to do Kirikaeshi with Nito. In order to do it properly, you first use your right hand (or left if you are using Gyaku Nito no kamae) , making sure to extend and properly hit each time. Then you use the left hand (right with gyaku). The final two men are usually done with the daito.

[The great I AM]

Thats what Animal from the Muppets would look like if he did kirikaeshi.

Badly.

[ahmed61086]

No, that is not the proper way to do Kirikaeshi with Nito. In order to do it properly, you first use your right hand (or left if you are using Gyaku Nito no kamae) , making sure to extend and properly hit each time. Then you use the left hand (right with gyaku). The final two men are usually done with the daito.

I have also seen it done like that aswell. And have been told it is one way of doing.

Whether it looked bad is probably due to a lack of skill in nito.


Here is another video of Nito Kirikaishi similar to the one you have just seen, just done better.

http://www.halifaxkendo.org/Archives/Additional%20Texts/Alt.Kamae/nito.html

[Kagerou]

Thats what Animal from the Muppets would look like if he did kirikaeshi.

Badly.

Animal would hit harder....:jaguar:

[Legionario]

Thanks everybody for your opinions. :smiley:

[R Stroud]

Some comments, FWIW;
1) There are different ways of doing nito kerikaeshi. You can hit with both shinai simultaneously or with one shinai at a time.

2) It is important that you move your body with each hit.

3) Toda sensei (famous jodan champion of all japan taikai & 8 dan pass with Nitoh) told me that he had to reinvent lots of things about nitoh when he started doing it, as much was lost from the past. This included details about kerikaeshi.

In my opinion the method of hitting with both shinai independent of body motion ( as in both linked videos above) may be considered nitoh kerikaeshi by some but it does not fit with my understand of how to do ki ken tai ichi.

I would not do it that way and instead focus on ways of doing keri kaeshi that allow the application of ki ken tai ichi.

[ewanwalker_2001]

Isn't it the general idea that went you attack with one Shinai in Nito that you utilise the other to defend yourself? From the two videos it's just attack attack attack with no real acknowledgement to defence... I would much prefer the Kirikaeshi demonstrated by Yamaguchi Masato in KW Magazine 4.1.

My Two er... Pence....

[emitbrownne]

Isn't it the general idea that went you attack with one Shinai in Nito that you utilise the other to defend yourself? From the two videos it's just attack attack attack with no real acknowledgement to defence... I would much prefer the Kirikaeshi demonstrated by Yamaguchi Masato in KW Magazine 4.1.

My Two er... Pence....

I dont think you dont have to defend yourself, if you beat your opponent.

If your kendo has the defensive mindset you will miss chances (nito or regular kendo).

When using two swords and you have the chance to cut without making an opening, why would you block?

Cut them and move through, as you would with regular kendo.

If you want to block as part of your finish, its a matter of taste, but could be seen as lack of comitment.

cheers

Paulo

[Alex]

Check out the latest edition of Kendo World Magazine.

[ewanwalker_2001]

I understand what you mean but certainly in KW Magazine Masato, in Kirikaeshi, when striking with the Daito, the Shoto rises up to protect his own men...

I was mistaken with my last post as according to issue 4.1 the way I described, as utilised in Kirikaeshi, seems to be more of a method of training the Nito participant to learn how to change sides; as he strikes with Daito and protects with Shoto and then vice versa with Shoto striking and Daito protecting; rather than how you would go about things in an actual Shiai.

Thanks,

My Two er... Pence....