Uk Jedi church nutter

[SmellsLikeBogu]

Seems like these guys mean business :p
http://www.deadbrain.co.uk/news/article_2007_08_15_5041.php

I wonder how a jedi gets his lightsaber, is it a special ritual where they all gather in the sacred Toy'R'Us?

[Berserker]

Hahahahah, tries to mind trick the judge! Hahahahahaha, but no really... .. ..

What...a...tool! I can't believe it has gone this far! I respect everyone for their own beliefs but this is just silly. And how can a simple piece of plastic be seen as a weapon!? :confused:

What do they have to base their religion on? A movie made in the 80's?

That will do pig, that wil do... :laugh:
But hell, what do I know...

[MikeH]

Hahahahah, tries to mind trick the judge! Hahahahahaha, but no really... .. ..

What...a...tool! I can't believe it has gone this far! I respect everyone for their own beliefs but this is just silly. And how can a simple piece of plastic be seen as a weapon!? :confused:

What do they have to base their religion on? A movie made in the 80's?

That will do pig, that wil do... :laugh:
But hell, what do I know...

Er, you did spot that that was a made up news story on a satirical news website right? :ponder:

[Berserker]

Er, you did spot that that was a made up news story on a satirical news website right? :ponder:


I guess that makes me the tool... ... ... :D

[NoNameKleenex]

Er, you did spot that that was a made up news story on a satirical news website right? :ponder:

Ha! I KNEW mind tricks work!

[absenteekendoka]

Satire at its finest. :)

[MikeH]

Ha! I KNEW mind tricks work!

I was at a wedding once, after the reception it was decided that a few of us would go on to a local nightclub, we were totally overdressed for it owing to having been to the wedding.

A guy comes up to me really drunk and says "Are you gay?"
"No"
"Then why are you wearing a suit? Are you gay then you poof?"
"No I've been to a wedding, see my friend over there has too, thats why we're both wearing suits"
"Are you gay then?!"

It was at this point I just said "ok mate see you later" and accompanied this with a dismissive handwaving gesture.

My co-suited and not at all gay friend heard none of this as the music was too loud. All he saw was some aggressive twat talking at me and me eventually waving my hand in front of his face, whereupon he walked away. My mate said it looked like a jedi mind trick...

.... 'you don't need to see my suit. These aren't the poofs you're looking for. You can go about your business...... move along'

:D

Mike

[Inner_Silence]

ha! Jedis are so old fashioned!
if they would try to take my lightsaber, they would end up with their hands chopped!. the sith are the new order, and jedi are just fading lights in the universe of darkness.

[NoNameKleenex]

I was at a wedding once . . .
:D

Mike

That's pretty good :)

I had a friend in high school who's father was an RCMP officer and had just come home from his shift. I happened to have a box of doughnuts that my friend and I were sharing, so I looked at his father and said "You do not want these . . . they are not tasty . . . they will not make you feel good . . ."

I ended up handcuffed to the wrought iron bannister :(

[Kagerou]

That's pretty good :)

I had a friend in high school who's father was an RCMP officer and had just come home from his shift. I happened to have a box of doughnuts that my friend and I were sharing, so I looked at his father and said "You do not want these . . . they are not tasty . . . they will not make you feel good . . ."

I ended up handcuffed to the wrought iron bannister :(

Did he walk away or eat the donuts in front of you?

[Kenzan]

Did he walk away or eat the donuts in front of you?

Better!
B+

:laugh:
:D

[corwyn]

Did he walk away or eat the donuts in front of you?

There's a Mexican-American comic (Gabriel Iglesias) who tells a story about making an illegal left turn out of a Krispy Kreme (donut shop for those of you who don't know) after buying a dozen. Local police see him do it and pull him over.

"Do you know why I pulled you over?"
"Because you could smell them?" *hands cop the box*
"Son of a b----!" *walks away, holding the box and laughing*

[Kagerou]

There's a Mexican-American comic (Gabriel Iglesias) who tells a story about making an illegal left turn out of a Krispy Kreme (donut shop for those of you who don't know) after buying a dozen. Local police see him do it and pull him over.

"Do you know why I pulled you over?"
"Because you could smell them?" *hands cop the box*
"Son of a b----!" *walks away, holding the box and laughing*

umm hmmm....you can just feel the gargantuan amounts of truth OOZING out of that story

[corwyn]

umm hmmm....you can just feel the gargantuan amounts of truth OOZING out of that story

He's a stand-up comedian...you were expecting 100% truth in his act?

[come_love_sleep]

That's pretty good :)

I ended up handcuffed to the wrought iron bannister :(


...

Yeah, maybe I've been hanging out with the wrong people, but that sends my mind in a really fun direction.

[Kendoka_Han]

LOL, I cant help but claim the following...

2 Timothy 4:2-4 (King James Version)

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables

[Kagerou]

I'm guessing that's your take on the embelishment of storytelling?


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ok I'm done....

[Owen]

too... much... religion!

[Charuzu]

too... much... religion!

I agree. This is a forum for Kendo, not religion.
Some people need to realize that their personal beliefs are just that... personal.

[James]

.. I can't believe you are taking this seriously whilst missing the important news on the OP's website
"Iran imprisons Dumbledore"
let's get our priorities straight.

[absenteekendoka]

.. I can't believe you are taking this seriously whilst missing the important news on the OP's website
"Iran imprisons Dumbledore"
let's get our priorities straight.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Surley Harry Potter and Ronald Gotlin will form a band of Ninja sorcerers who will free him! :)

[Decado]

LOL, I cant help but claim the following...

2 Timothy 4:2-4 (King James Version)

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables

Has anyone out there got a universal translator handy?

[Decado]

.. I can't believe you are taking this seriously whilst missing the important news on the OP's website
"Iran imprisons Dumbledore"
let's get our priorities straight.

Actually, that's a true story. Just don't tell Stephanie Dee!

[Gideon]

Good grief, are we going to go through this (http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16949&highlight=Jedi) again?

Funny article though.

[Kagerou]

This just in....Darth Vader attacks Jedi church (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/7360871.stm)

[Gideon]

So apparently they're sucky jedi knights.

[Maku-san]

Hahahahah, tries to mind trick the judge!

What do they have to base their religion on? A movie made in the 80's?

But hell, what do I know...

Better that than basing their religion on the fertile imagination of a self-proclaimed "prolific science fiction writer".... :silly:

[imouto]

.. I can't believe you are taking this seriously whilst missing the important news on the OP's website
"Iran imprisons Dumbledore"
let's get our priorities straight.

One problem, Prof. Albus Dumbledore died.

[satsumaruma]

too... much... religion!

No no no, let him entertain us some more. You can never get bashed by too much Bible:)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Surley Harry Potter and Ronald Gotlin will form a band of Ninja sorcerers who will free him! :)

'teenage speccy ninja wizards' perhaps

:chinese:

Has anyone out there got a universal translator handy?

For KH? Christ no!

He is an Aussie (which is bad enough), so he speaks fanny mayyyte; and he twitters on about likkle baby Jee-zus.

But ask yourself...is he happy?

Well that's all that counts ( the fact he drives us to insanity he seems oblivious to:laugh:)

So apparently they're sucky jedi knights.

I didn't know Jedi Knights had a Joy Division chapter

:eek::)

[Gideon]

I didn't know Jedi Knights had a Joy Division chapter

:eek::)

:eek::eek::eek::spchless::spchless::spchless:

[satsumaruma]

:eek::eek::eek::spchless::spchless::spchless:


Gosh, that imagery is exactly how I imagined the Jedi Knights Joy Division chapter to look.

:D

[Kendoka_Han]

For KH? Christ no!

He is an Aussie (which is bad enough), so he speaks fanny mayyyte; and he twitters on about likkle baby Jee-zus.

Wow! The King James Authorized Bible has spoken like an Aussie all this while! :eek: ;) :)

[Kendoka_Han]

For the record, the bible is so perfectly demonstrated in scriptural prophecy, when in regards to this quote taken from the BBC website.

No flames please, I am just showing you some evidence of scripture in regards to false religion. :)

"She added that the pair believe "very strongly in the church and their religion". "

-----

2 Peter 2 (King James Version)

1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

----

2 Timothy 3 (King James Version)

1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

----

2 Timothy 4 (King James Version)

2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

----

So the moral of the story for a christian to do?

Ephesians 5 (King James Version)

11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

[satsumaruma]

Wow! The King James Authorized Bible has spoken like an Aussie all this while! :eek: ;) :)

Posrep for this one, but.......

For the record, the bible is so perfectly demonstrated in scriptural prophecy, when in regards to this quote taken from the BBC website.

No flames please, I am just showing you some evidence of scripture in regards to false religion. :)

"She added that the pair believe "very strongly in the church and their religion". "

-----

2 Peter 2 (King James Version)

1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

----

2 Timothy 3 (King James Version)

1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

----

2 Timothy 4 (King James Version)

2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

----

So the moral of the story for a christian to do?

Ephesians 5 (King James Version)

11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.



how can you say "no flames please"? You were doing so well too.

A bit of humour, got a bit in about Jesus the christ, kept it short and sweet and then....

titsville again


Oh and I've been to Ephesus btw, learned tons about Christianity there that for some reason the Romans didn't put in the Bible. I wonder why??:wink::wink:

[Kendoka_Han]

Posrep for this one, but.......



how can you say "no flames please"? You were doing so well too.

A bit of humour, got a bit in about Jesus the christ, kept it short and sweet and then....

titsville again

Hey, I was just balancing the excitement ;)

Oh and I've been to Ephesus btw, learned tons about Christianity there that for some reason the Romans didn't put in the Bible. I wonder why??:wink::wink:

Oh wow, good stuff. I have read about them doing this, but funny, its only in the Roman Catholic Apocrypha bibles that didnt make it into King James Bibles, purely because it was of mans interpretation, and not inspired by God ;)

[Gideon]

sats - drop me a pm if you've half a mind to - I'm curious about your comment above - hazarding a guess it would be about the gnostics?

and han - make sure you get the context right - doesn't these passages specifically refer to exhorting those that already believe? not that reproving sin is a bad thing, but make sure the whole grace bit and redemption thrgouh Christ gets the emphasis, mkay? I mean, that's really what the whole bible is all about anyway.

[Kendoka_Han]

sats - drop me a pm if you've half a mind to - I'm curious about your comment above - hazarding a guess it would be about the gnostics?

Most of it. Apocrypha bibles and Deuterocanonical books. :)

and han - make sure you get the context right - doesn't these passages specifically refer to exhorting those that already believe? not that reproving sin is a bad thing, but make sure the whole grace bit and redemption thrgouh Christ gets the emphasis, mkay? I mean, that's really what the whole bible is all about anyway.

:)

The context is right to those that both believe and DONT believe.

2 Peter 2 talks about a prophetic time period of false doctrine, to his followers, followers, followers (the early church fathers), and that they will soon AFTER lead astray, as false teachers by providing the doctrines that will later be produced by the church fathers down the line, and then through the Popes that reigned.

For example, I can give reference to Paul in Acts 20 (King James Version)

Acts 20:29-30

29For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

30Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

This has been the case with the so called "Prophetic Roman Catholic fathers" back in the day, as well as many who create christian cults, and most definitely is linked to the lineage of the Popes.

However, Paul's writings in the book of Acts are towards the church, and not towards false doctrine of made up religions, like whats mentioned in the Book to Timothy and in Peters books.

Peter specifically said, (for the non-believers to believe, and also to WARN the believer of becoming a follower of that cult);

2 Peter 2 (King James Version)

1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

This whole verse is dedicated to people who make up false religions and cults, that deceive others into worshiping Satan. One such "Anti-Christ" is Ronald Weinland, from the Church of God, claimed to be One of the two witnesses (and he now claims that the second witness of God [read Revelations chapter 1], is his wife!), has claimed in his book titled "2008: Gods final witness", that the USA will be Nuclear Bombed by April 17th 2008. Now he claims that "their must have been a delay, and its in Gods wisdom and revelation to me that it will happen in the next 45 to 90 days".

And millions buy and believe this nonsense? Ronalds book is better than biblical prophecy? (the bible provides more to prophecy than he does, and the Two Witnesses are the OT and NT of the bible, not humans)

I cant help but ACCEPT the fact that Deuteronomy 18 is quite clear about a true Prophet of God, and a False one.

Deuteronomy 18:21-22 (King James Version)

21And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

22When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

lol

But anyways, the next verse equates the finale of the first verse. Because read the first few words....

2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

Hope that makes it clearer, if it wasnt clear :)

[satsumaruma]

Hey, I was just balancing the excitement ;)



Oh wow, good stuff. I have read about them doing this, but funny, its only in the Roman Catholic Apocrypha bibles that didnt make it into King James Bibles, purely because it was of mans interpretation, and not inspired by God ;)

So, in your view, the Pope does not seek his inspiration from God? hmm interesting.

I would also note that the Kings James Bibles have also been written and edited by man. And both were inspired by God. Mind, so was the Torah and the Qur'an. I await your quotations from both those fine documents.

sats - drop me a pm if you've half a mind to - I'm curious about your comment above - hazarding a guess it would be about the gnostics?

and han - make sure you get the context right - doesn't these passages specifically refer to exhorting those that already believe? not that reproving sin is a bad thing, but make sure the whole grace bit and redemption thrgouh Christ gets the emphasis, mkay? I mean, that's really what the whole bible is all about anyway.

will do, but I am going to bed now. It is partially about the gnostics but also about the 'terrorist' activities of the Christians at the time. Not as 'trun the other cheek' as Jesus Kristos would have (allegedly) purported.

[Kendoka_Han]

So, in your view, the Pope does not seek his inspiration from God? hmm interesting.

The Popes were NEVER men of God. Look at the crusades.

And, the Rosary Prayer is a Godly holy service? No! Why? Because of the significance of Mary and the Saints over Christ! That simple.

Also, I could claim the vain repetitions that christ specifically denounced, but not only that, but towards MARY!?

I would also note that the Kings James Bibles have also been written and edited by man.

I can agree to the fact that it was written by man, but I follow this bible, as its the closest in contextual scripture to the Torah and Hebrew and Greek orthodox books, than any other bible written to date.

Are you happy to say that "The Message" bible is perfectly normal to read, in comparison to the KJV? Did you know that their are occult terms in The Message, IN the lords prayer? "As Above, so below". ;)

And both were inspired by God. Mind, so was the Torah and the Qur'an. I await your quotations from both those fine documents.

The Quran, being written ~600 years later is hard to be concluded as being inspired by a purely singular non-trinitarian God. (According to muslims), but I believe in a purely singular trinitarian God, who wrote the bible some 50-100 years after christ, as well as WELL before christ. Book of Daniel for example. Book of Isaiah!

will do, but I am going to bed now. It is partially about the gnostics but also about the 'terrorist' activities of the Christians at the time. Not as 'trun the other cheek' as Jesus Kristos would have (allegedly) purported.

Terrorists of spirituality = The Popes. :) ;)

[satsumaruma]

Most of it. Apocrypha bibles and Deuterocanonical books. :)



:)

The context is right to those that both believe and DONT believe.

2 Peter 2 talks about a prophetic time period of false doctrine, to his followers, followers, followers (the early church fathers), and that they will soon AFTER lead astray, as false teachers by providing the doctrines that will later be produced by the church fathers down the line, and then through the Popes that reigned.

For example, I can give reference to Paul in Acts 20 (King James Version)

Acts 20:29-30

29For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

30Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

This has been the case with the so called "Prophetic Roman Catholic fathers" back in the day, as well as many who create christian cults, and most definitely is linked to the lineage of the Popes.

However, Paul's writings in the book of Acts are towards the church, and not towards false doctrine of made up religions, like whats mentioned in the Book to Timothy and in Peters books.

Peter specifically said, (for the non-believers to believe, and also to WARN the believer of becoming a follower of that cult);

2 Peter 2 (King James Version)

1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

This whole verse is dedicated to people who make up false religions and cults, that deceive others into worshiping Satan. One such "Anti-Christ" is Ronald Weinland, from the Church of God, claimed to be One of the two witnesses (and he now claims that the second witness of God [read Revelations chapter 1], is his wife!), has claimed in his book titled "2008: Gods final witness", that the USA will be Nuclear Bombed by April 17th 2008. Now he claims that "their must have been a delay, and its in Gods wisdom and revelation to me that it will happen in the next 45 to 90 days".

And millions buy and believe this nonsense? Ronalds book is better than biblical prophecy? (the bible provides more to prophecy than he does, and the Two Witnesses are the OT and NT of the bible, not humans)

lol

But anyways, the next verse equates the finale of the first verse. Because read the first few words....

2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

Hope that makes it clearer, if it wasnt clear :)

I agree with much of this but what we cannot be certain of is what has come to constitute the 'false' path. My teachers pointed out that this could mean any path chosen since the words were written could have taken a wrong turn albeit in all innocence. and once that path has been turned into pople tend to continue along it an all good 'faith'. This could apply to those who study the KJB as musch as any other religious book in existence.

Indeed, the words arre hardly rocket science - we have all played the game of Chinese whispers I am sure. Where one person starts off with a fairly long sentence and whsipers it into the ear of their neighbour and this continues along a whole line of people. When at the end the last person recites the line it has totally lost its meaning. This is what has happened with the Bibles - so I concur with you on that point KH. The meanings have been lost/diluted in various ways. The key is? How and what.

I think we should now just accpet the core messages of Jesus teachings and not try to get too bogged down in, this means this and that means that. especially as they were written 2000 years ago amongst a whole different set of values.

To give you an example of this consider the teachings of the prophet Muhammed pbuh. He advised that pig meat must not be eaten. This made sense when he said it at the time because in hot countries pig meat goes off very quickly in hot climes . But had the prophet lived in modern times this practical advice is unlikley to have made it into the texts of the Qur'an because pig meat can be refrigerated to not go off. My point is that much of what was transcribed of Jesus' Teachings (roughly a century after he gave them) is dated. We need to apply them properly to how things are now; not how things were.( and being mindful of the background they were written in)

[satsumaruma]

The Popes were NEVER men of God. Look at the crusades.

And, the Rosary Prayer is a Godly holy service? No! Why? Because of the significance of Mary and the Saints over Christ! That simple.

Also, I could claim the vain repetitions that christ specifically denounced, but not only that, but towards MARY!?



I can agree to the fact that it was written by man, but I follow this bible, as its the closest in contextual scripture to the Torah and Hebrew and Greek orthodox books, than any other bible written to date.

Are you happy to say that "The Message" bible is perfectly normal to read, in comparison to the KJV? Did you know that their are occult terms in The Message, IN the lords prayer? "As Above, so below". ;)



The Quran, being written ~600 years later is hard to be concluded as being inspired by a purely singular non-trinitarian God. (According to muslims), but I believe in a purely singular trinitarian God, who wrote the bible some 50-100 years after christ, as well as WELL before christ. Book of Daniel for example. Book of Isaiah!



Terrorists of spirituality = The Popes. :) ;)

No the Popes wre not men of god but they purported to be and they acted in Gods name. This is also true of the KJB.


To which Mary do you refer? His mother or his wife? And please do not go down the line he was not married. In the time he lived if he was not married he would have been castigated as being thought of as homosexual (hardly enlightened times on the subject). Was Mary Magdelene his wife? Who knows. But somebody will have been and she seems to fit the bill.

Yes, it may well be close to the Torah, but this is also subject to scrutiny for accuracy. It is known that some accounts in both the OT and the Torah, in which they claim them as their own, have been recorded in older documents (mahabharat for one).

Occult? or just cult? As were the Christians at the time of Jesus. Is it not possible Jesus was actually of the Essene cult? Yes it is. Is it possible he ws not part of this cult. The answer is also yes.

The qur'an is written of a singular God but not trintarian. Muslims see god in a different way to Christians it actually fits in much better with gnosticism, buddhism and modern science than Christianity of Judiasm do.

Interesting that.

[Kendoka_Han]

No the Popes wre not men of god but they purported to be and they acted in Gods name.

Not only in Gods name, but the claims Pope John Paul II's "I am the vicar of Christ" or "God on earth"!

This is also true of the KJB.

The New KJV does. Look at the front cover logo, its a tri-angular 666! ;)

http://www.msjess.com/images/NKJV3.jpg

To which Mary do you refer? His mother or his wife?

To the mother.

And please do not go down the line he was not married. In the time he lived if he was not married he would have been castigated as being thought of as homosexual (hardly enlightened times on the subject). Was Mary Magdelene his wife? Who knows. But somebody will have been and she seems to fit the bill.

Well since you asked me not to go down the different path in whether "The Da Vince Code" is true or not, I will stay at my position of acceptance that Christ was God incarnate in human form, therefore having no need of lusts of the flesh (Otherwise he would have agreed to Satans deceptive offers when Jesus was fasting in the desert for 40 days, I know you know this story. And even still, it later results in Angels ministering to him through the Holy Spirit! Does an EARTHLY, SINFUL woman have christ needing her? no. Its just simply NON-logical if you follow the ways of christs nature. So lets not go into that, as it will be a loooong discussion).

Occult? or just cult?

More specifically Occult.

As above, so below is a wicca occult term (also in satanism) denying God, and his authority, and rather that YOU are a God in control of your life. (Serpents Lie to eve).

As were the Christians at the time of Jesus. Is it not possible Jesus was actually of the Essene cult? Yes it is. Is it possible he ws not part of this cult. The answer is also yes.

Please, the Essene Cult is a made up acronym society thats based on the fact that the Jesus story is AS similar, if not exactly the same as many of the other world religions. Your talking from the Zeitgeist documentary part of mind right?

I could easily refute the claims of that documentary, as well as this cult.

This cult (for those that dont know, and this is taken from a sourced website) are of what claims the following:

"What escapes the understanding of 99.9 % of all Christians is that the immediate source of these concepts for Christianity was the Essene society. Behind the Essenes lie the ultimate origins of these above religious concepts must can be traced to the mystery-cults and the major religions of the pre-Christian world pagan world...such as:

* 1. Egypt and the Original Saviour God...Osiris
* 2. Adonis and Aphrodite
* 3. The Greek Dionysus
* 4. Attis and Cybele
* 5. Demeter and Persephone
* 6. The Orphean Reconstruction of Dionysus
* 7. The Zoroastrians
* 8. Brahmanism-India
* 9. Buddhism
* 10. Pythagoras
* 11. Isis and Serapis
* 12. Mithraism
"

Its a laugh.

The qur'an is written of a singular God but not trintarian. Muslims see god in a different way to Christians it actually fits in much better with gnosticism, buddhism and modern science than Christianity of Judiasm do.

Well without getting into a debate, I suppose I could leave it at subjective opinion of the readers interpretation and understanding of scripture :)

Interesting that.

Indeed.

[Kagerou]

Wow...now I'm sorry I dregged this thread up.

I just thought it was funny that some wacko in a garbage bag was calling himself Darth Vader and attacking the Jedi church....

Sorry everyone.

[Kendoka_Han]

Wow...now I'm sorry I dregged this thread up.

I just thought it was funny that some wacko in a garbage bag was calling himself Darth Vader and attacking the Jedi church....

Sorry everyone.

It wasn't even an angry argument? :)

Just a mature discussion....

[Kagerou]

It wasn't even an angry argument? :)

Just a mature discussion....

wait for it.....it will come

[satsumaruma]

wait for it.....it will come

Not from me it won't.

there are none so blind as those that will not see.

KH sees the KJB as a document absolute rather than what it is, the accounts of witnesses passed down several generations and ultimately translated into English.

I accept that the original accounts were 'historic' at the time of writing which will mean innacurate according to memory and intervening influnce through the passage of time.

I accept that the Bible was 'written' with Roman sensitivities in mind so as not to be destroyed immediately and to encourage Roman acceptance.

I accept that the Bible was heavily edited by Roman influenced bishops.

I accept that through translatiosn 'chinese whsipers' can occur and this likely to be the case with a document around 2000 years old.

I accept that the Bible is a good account of what transpired but much of its meanings have been lost through the passage of time and trying to realte to them is very very difficult.

I think KH prefers to take the KJB edition of the bible as being written as absoulte fact in the same way we believe Encyclopaedia to be. The problem is that this is impossible.

we both believe in God and we both believe in the fundamental teachings of Jesus. i just prefer to see Jesus as a prophet, a very learned man etc in the same vein as Abraham, Muhammed, Krishna etc. I do not need to have him deified to accept his messages.

[Kendoka_Han]

Not from me it won't.

Same with me

KH sees the KJB as a document absolute rather than what it is, the accounts of witnesses passed down several generations and ultimately translated into English.

Out of ALL the other ENGLISH biblical versions of the bible, the KJV holds MORE, respectably accurate in TRANSLATION from Hebrew to english than any other bible.

Here are some facts, that literally show (if your a christian to understand the concept, grammar and meaning) how other bible versions slap christ in the face.

For example. Lets look at the NKJV vs KJV 1611 edition (which was NOT edited by bishops / catholic priests)

The NKJV removes the word "Lord" 66 times!

The NKJV removes the word God 51 times!

The NKJV removes the word "heaven" 50 times!

In just the New Testament alone the NKJV removes 2,289 words from the KJV!

The NKJV makes over 100,000 word changes!

And most will match the NIV, NASV, RSV, or RSV!
And Thomas Nelson Publishers have the audacity to claim in an ad for the NKJV (Moody Monthly, June 1982, back cover), "NOTHING HAS BEEN CHANGED except to make the original meaning clearer."

1 John 3:16: remove "love of God"; (NIV, NASV, RSV, NRSV)

Hebrews 4:8 & Acts 7:45: "Jesus" is changed to "Joshua". (NIV, NASV, RSV)

1 Timothy 6:5: The NKJV changes "gain is godliness" to "godliness is a MEANS OF gain". There are NO Greek texts with "means of" in them! Where, oh where, did they come from? Care to take a wild guess? YOU GOT IT! The NIV, NASV, RSV, NRSV!

Thats just some quotes taken from Evangelicals like Gail Riplinger that has studied this thoroughly. I can agree with her, since I have studied this for 2 years now.

I accept that the original accounts were 'historic' at the time of writing which will mean innacurate according to memory and intervening influnce through the passage of time.

I accept that the Bible was 'written' with Roman sensitivities in mind so as not to be destroyed immediately and to encourage Roman acceptance.

I accept that the Bible was heavily edited by Roman influenced bishops.

I accept that through translatiosn 'chinese whsipers' can occur and this likely to be the case with a document around 2000 years old.

I accept that the Bible is a good account of what transpired but much of its meanings have been lost through the passage of time and trying to realte to them is very very difficult.

I think KH prefers to take the KJB edition of the bible as being written as absoulte fact in the same way we believe Encyclopaedia to be. The problem is that this is impossible.

Read above.

i just prefer to see Jesus as a prophet, a very learned man etc in the same vein as Abraham, Muhammed, Krishna etc.

Some things to take note of ;). I am sure Muhammad has had the same life....;)

What testimony is born concerning Christ's life on earth?
"Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth." 1 Peter 2:22.

What is true of all other members of the human family?
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23.

With what question did Christ challenge His enemies?
"Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?" John 8:46.

To what extent was Christ tempted?
"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." Hebrews 4:15.

In His humanity, of what nature did Christ partake?
"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil." Hebrews 2:14.

How fully did Christ share our common humanity?
"Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people." Hebrews 2:17.

Where did God, in Christ, condemn sin, and gain the victory for us over temptation and sin?
"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh." Romans 8:3.

By whose power did Christ live the perfect life?
"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." John 14:10.

What unselfish purpose did Jesus ever have before Him?
"For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me." John 6:38.

[I_am_Cthulhu]

Cthulhu could beat your god in a one-on-one cage match, providing there were dancing girls in between rounds.

[Kendoka_Han]

Cthulhu could beat your god in a one-on-one cage match, providing there were dancing girls in between rounds.

But my God just has to use his mouth and your defeated!

[ScottUK]

Rob, its best you stop now.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Check out this Maclean's article - Jesus Has An Identity Crisis (http://www.macleans.ca/culture/lifestyle/article.jsp?content=20080319_64190_64190). Interesting read.

[satsumaruma]

Same with me



Out of ALL the other ENGLISH biblical versions of the bible, the KJV holds MORE, respectably accurate in TRANSLATION from Hebrew to english than any other bible.



And most will match the NIV, NASV, RSV, or RSV!
And Thomas Nelson Publishers have the audacity to claim in an ad for the NKJV (Moody Monthly, June 1982, back cover), "NOTHING HAS BEEN CHANGED except to make the original meaning clearer."

1 John 3:16: remove "love of God"; (NIV, NASV, RSV, NRSV)

Hebrews 4:8 & Acts 7:45: "Jesus" is changed to "Joshua". (NIV, NASV, RSV)

1 Timothy 6:5: The NKJV changes "gain is godliness" to "godliness is a MEANS OF gain". There are NO Greek texts with "means of" in them! Where, oh where, did they come from? Care to take a wild guess? YOU GOT IT! The NIV, NASV, RSV, NRSV!

Thats just some quotes taken from Evangelicals like Gail Riplinger that has studied this thoroughly. I can agree with her, since I have studied this for 2 years now.



Read above.



Some things to take note of ;). I am sure Muhammad has had the same life....;)

What testimony is born concerning Christ's life on earth?
"Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth." 1 Peter 2:22.

What is true of all other members of the human family?
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23.

With what question did Christ challenge His enemies?
"Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?" John 8:46.

To what extent was Christ tempted?
"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." Hebrews 4:15.

In His humanity, of what nature did Christ partake?
"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil." Hebrews 2:14.

How fully did Christ share our common humanity?
"Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people." Hebrews 2:17.

Where did God, in Christ, condemn sin, and gain the victory for us over temptation and sin?
"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh." Romans 8:3.

By whose power did Christ live the perfect life?
"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." John 14:10.

What unselfish purpose did Jesus ever have before Him?
"For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me." John 6:38.

I loved the fact that you agree that all versions have been "changed" from the original.

I also note the use of the books Romans and Hebrews. Romans who established the ermm well the Roman Catholic church.

Not going to bore you with the long and varied paths travelled down because I am sure you know this.

you will also note that I do not need to use extracts from any book in this debate, just my own reasoning based on years of reading and trying to make my own personal sense of everything.

Try it. Go on it will be enlightening and liberating. Ues the KJB as inspiration for your life rather than a crutch (which it seems as though it is now).

At some point every child must leave its mother so that it can continue to grow. Maybe you are not ready yet - but hopefully soon.

you will not lose faith; you will not stop believing in the KJB texts; but you will gain a wider comprehension of what such text are trying to say rather than just repeating them verbatim.

Lee


PS I remember from my youth reading some text that Jesus was possibly a 'freedom fighter' and believed himself to be the heir to King Davids crown. this may have been alluded to a few times since (and maybe before) but this was specifically looking into that aspect. I cannot recall what this was. KH or anyone else any ideas?

PPS KH I agree that the Da Vinci Code was toss - good ripping yarn when you read it as just that. The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail was interesting but even more hard work to read than the NT.

[Lady_Kitsune]

I just read the note that smelss like bogu put in this thread and... Please tell me that is an april's fool news or something.... Nobody can be that fucked up!

[Inner_Silence]

Nobody can be that fucked up!
!

so the princess said... :smoker:

[Lady_Kitsune]

so the princess said... :smoker:

hey, I'm very well known for my elegance and delicacy :p

[Kendoka_Han]

Rob, its best you stop now.

Ok :emb:

I loved the fact that you agree that all versions have been "changed" from the original.

Thats what I have been saying along! :) Except for the KJV.

I also note the use of the books Romans and Hebrews. Romans who established the ermm well the Roman Catholic church.

Are you saying, Pauls letters to the Romans and Jews are FROM the catholic church? I dont think so.

[satsumaruma]

Ok :emb:



Thats what I have been saying along! :) Except for the KJV.



Are you saying, Pauls letters to the Romans and Jews are FROM the catholic church? I dont think so.

Including the KJB.

And no I wasn't saying that. But think on here would he have written them in a way to antagonise or would he he have moderated what he intended to say. Sometimes you need to encrypt your actual message in the text. This is what I have been taught about ALL versions of the Bible. hence why it seems to engender so many conspiracy theories.


Here is another one for you.

What is your take on reincarnation?

lot's of studies being conducted on this at the moment and there is lots of evidence that it is not the hogwash of the delusionals we always presumed it to be. Traditionally, and broadly speaking Christians, Jews and Muslims don't believe in this whilst Buddhists, Gnostics, Hindus etc do ( don't know enough about Wiccans for such a viewpoint).

[absenteekendoka]

Save me Jeeeeeeebus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[Fred27]

This thread started out funny, but now its just tragic with all the religious debatery thingy!

[satsumaruma]

You forgot to add in



save me SWEET IKKLE BAYBEEE Jeeeeeeebus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[absenteekendoka]

You forgot to add in



save me SWEET IKKLE BAYBEEE Jeeeeeeebus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Excellllllllent..........




Heres a shameless plug for a great book, "Talisman" by Graham Hancock.

[satsumaruma]

Did you write it?

Are you Graham Hancock in disguise?

[absenteekendoka]

......ok, here we go. Everyone believe what you want. There, I said it. :) Secondly, radical interpretation even literal interpretation of religous texts (regardless of faith) is nothing but trouble, and out of touch with our time. It breeds fundamentalism which is bad regardless of what you believe.

Besides, the bible and ALL other religous tomes of any signfigance were written by men............interpreting what they believed to be the word of
(insert appropriate deity here)

Worship a peach tree in your yard for all that matters, but the moment you begin forcing your beliefs upon another it smacks of fundamenatlism and invalidates anything you attempt to do. People need to make their own choices, outside of any external influence such as organized religion.

The relationship between man and god should be just that....between man and god. The church is irrelevant.

[absenteekendoka]

Did you write it?

Are you Graham Hancock in disguise?

I'll never tell. :)

[absenteekendoka]

Cthulhu could beat your god in a one-on-one cage match, providing there were dancing girls in between rounds.

Mmmmmmmmmm, full of deity type goodness. Pass the Vishnu........ :)

[satsumaruma]

......ok, here we go. Everyone believe what you want. There, I said it. :) Secondly, radical interpretation even literal interpretation of religous texts (regardless of faith) is nothing but trouble, and out of touch with our time. It breeds fundamentalism which is bad regardless of what you believe.

Besides, the bible and ALL other religous tomes of any signfigance were written by men............interpreting what they believed to be the word of
(insert appropriate deity here)

Worship a peach tree in your yard for all that matters, but the moment you begin forcing your beliefs upon another it smacks of fundamenatlism and invalidates anything you attempt to do. People need to make their own choices, outside of any external influence such as organized religion.

The relationship between man and god should be just that....between man and god. The church is irrelevant.

Amen to that brother.:)


( oh and computer said no to more posrep for you - will you please refrain writing anything else that I agree with until I have chance to give more rep out. It really is most inconsiderate of you:ko:)

[absenteekendoka]

Amen to that brother.:)


( oh and computer said no to more posrep for you - will you please refrain writing anything else that I agree with until I have chance to give more rep out. It really is most inconsiderate of you:ko:)

I'll do my best, but I have to say I am a bit of a bastard, so no guarantees. ;)

[satsumaruma]

I'll do my best, but I have to say I am a bit of a bastard, so no guarantees. ;)



Bizarrely I read some graffiti in the toilets of a motorway services that said exactly that.

uncanny huh?:pirate:

[satsumaruma]

oh, and that should have been a 'pirate' thingy and not an 'irate' thingy

[NoNameKleenex]

Tried to give +rep to absentee for you, sats (and me too), but computer doesn't like it.

[satsumaruma]

Most decent of you! if you can't give it to absentee then give it to me...I'm only a couple of points off me next blob.


(not that I check or anyfink)

[always_learning]

What I cannot understand is why almost everyone finds the Jedi Church absurd, yet all religions are founded on exactly the same rock solid bedrock; the complete absence of any evidence. All are clearly the creation of men.

Kendo han clearly believes in the talking snakes, virgin births, reanimation of dead rabbi's, he awaits with pride the rapture (end of the world). For me no harder to believe than cute little 600year old, verb terminating, green goblins crossing laser swords with finger lighting discharging evil emperors with penchant to build giant orbiting death-ray spouting spaceships.

[satsumaruma]

What I cannot understand is why almost everyone finds the Jedi Church absurd, yet all religions are founded on exactly the same rock solid bedrock; the complete absence of any evidence. All are clearly the creation of men.

Kendo han clearly believes in the talking snakes, virgin births, reanimation of dead rabbi's, he awaits with pride the rapture (end of the world). For me no harder to believe than cute little 600year old, verb terminating, green goblins crossing laser swords with finger lighting discharging evil emperors with penchant to build giant orbiting death-ray spouting spaceships.

Okay okay.

people tend to find Jedi-ism absurd because it is based somewhere else in the universe and yet there are humans there when the furthest we have got so far is that rock in our backyard.


And please please pleas we have just got kendoka-han settled down and out of his pompously pious pulpit ( that is just so lovely to say out loud - please try); don't goad him into regurgitating some more dogma out of his KJB. He really has not yet found the pages which allow him to turn the other cheek.

:)

[Kendoka_Han]

Including the KJB.

-ve :)

And no I wasn't saying that. But think on here would he have written them in a way to antagonise or would he he have moderated what he intended to say. Sometimes you need to encrypt your actual message in the text. This is what I have been taught about ALL versions of the Bible. hence why it seems to engender so many conspiracy theories.

Opinions based on the fact that they want to absurd the divine foot. Especially in Science.


Here is another one for you.

What is your take on reincarnation?

My take on reincarnation is of an endless cycle of non-grace, non-salvation and an infinite suffering of that person due to [insert karma situation here].

Wiccans and Hinduists have major beliefs in it, as well as Buddhists and Mormons!

I might offend some people here, who may be Wiccans, or Hinduists or Buddhists, or of any Spiritually enlightenments faiths, that the fact its all based on the lie of the serpent to Eve. Here is a perfect yet simple poetic account of what Satan does to decieve those to follow satanism, and all of the eastern religions, Hinduism as the main one.

Genesis 3 (King James Version)

1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

All reincarnates of the new age claim "I am God, I can be a God" etc.

Satanists say "YOU are in control of your life, therefore YOU have the power to be a god, through the help of lucifer our light!". Mormons support the same belief, and most definitely the very Jedi Church you see here is a PERFECT example of how warped peoples minds can be in actually believing they can be like a god, controlling a force?!

Lets continue....

6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Is it ever a wonder when you suddenly realize the great wrong sin you may have commited and greatly rejected that you did it. Kinda like those people who cheat on their gf's and realize the great shame. Similar, but on a grand universal scale, as this is a relationship spiritual death between God and his creation.

So in a nutshell, reincarnation is a endless amoral cycle of the serpents lie, and the fact that its an endless worthless, non-salvation, as there HAS to be evil (karma) within this life, and the next life, and in the previous life, for you to have your sufferings in this life. Its illogical.

However I can give you a question about reincarnation (if you believe in it). Since the rules of this theory (or actually, belief) is based on the fact that you HAD to have a previous life of error, to have the karma in this current life, then what happened to Adam and Eve's (if reincarnation happened then) karma in their lives, as they didnt exist in the previous life!?

:)

He really has not yet found the pages which allow him to turn the other cheek.

:)

Well, I am pretty sure I have found the pages to still show the love of preaching and making sure people have an understanding of either accepting the truth or not. For example, read the following scriptures... :)

Ezekiel 33 (King James Version)

1Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:

3If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;

4Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.

5He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.

6But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

7So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

8When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

9Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

10Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live?

11Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

[samurai80]

Really? We're doing THIS again?

[always_learning]

I just gota love that talking snake! Otherwise no kendo, we would all be grovelling around kissing the sky fairies butt and praising its magnificence!

I ask you all which would you perfer; a good sweaty morning keiko in a 100 year old Japanese dojo with a dozen 7 and 8 dan instructors, or a wossy session singing praise and generally arse licking of the great sky fairy?

(Even as a metaphor the talking snake story is ridiculous and those who really believe there was actually was a talking snake are barking mad!)

[chidokan]

I'd just like to mention that on japanese news last week there was a guy who had made up a suit of classical japanese armour complete with a Darth Vader facemask (all in black of course)
Cant recall if the saya was glowing pink or not though....:laugh:

[Kendoka_Han]

(Even as a metaphor the talking snake story is ridiculous and those who really believe there was actually was a talking snake are barking mad!)

Not likely, since "the serpent" isnt as much documented to be A talking snake. Its poetic, but at the same time, it seems to have an intelligent aura about that creature.

Ever heard about the Nephilim story, later in Genesis 6 ;). Or the conspiracy theories of lizards (fallen angels, which are the UFO aliens too) controlling the world. Same thing.

[Kendoka_Han]

I'd just like to mention that on japanese news last week there was a guy who had made up a suit of classical japanese armour complete with a Darth Vader facemask (all in black of course)
Cant recall if the saya was glowing pink or not though....:laugh:

It would be equally awesome if he was an 8th dan kendoka :D

[Anonymous]

Is all the religious bible CRAP really necessary? I don't need to see reminders of the worst friggin years of my life on a goddamned kendo forum. Seriously, keep the shit out of here, plenty of people are better with out that shit than with it.
Just keep it out, if people want to know about it without having that shit spewed everywhere they'll look on their own.

[ScottUK]

Time for me to unsubscribe to this now-ridiculous thread.

Have fun, fellas. Seeya'll after the Apocalypse.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Time for me to unsubscribe to this now-ridiculous thread.It's about that time for everybody.