EKC 2008 Mens Final

[Krisuprocc]

N joy...:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ5MrAmHNbA

[Mosquite]

Here is even better video from the same match filmed by Pete Korhonen (Not me) Men's Final (http://www.vimeo.com/819564/)

[MAZ77]

What rank are they?

[ne0r]

There has to be a lot of pressure on them; unfortunately they get a lot into tsubazeriai because of this, I believe.

[Super Kodachi2]

I believe Monsieur Sicart is Yondan or Godan?

I'm not sure about Mr Dubi.

At this level and at such an important match Tsuberzeriai is to be expected, neither wants to give away an opportunity.

Its very similar in All Japan matches in that respect.

But when they do attack they give it their all. Some lovely Ippon by Dubi, great Kote.

[Curtis]

Color me impressed.

[moocow65]

I think the shinpan should have called wakare to keep the flow of the match going smoothly.

[Mr.Tvola]

I think Sandor Dubi is 4th dan.

[kiguraiken]

Dubi Sandor has just passed godan in the EKC 2008 champ. Congrats!

[Girubatto]

Thanks for posting my vid Kurisu ;) But i already posted it in a different section! The video from the other guy is good too. But i was first hahahahaha, ah who cares about that! Just watch it all :)

[Girubatto]

While i'm still busy, I should've posted in this section (i did it in the GENERAL- MULTIMEDIA). But here are also the first 2 matches from the mens team final! I will try to upload the other 3 tonight, else this week!

Match 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siyq3c6TrP0

Match 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpXW-aLcf9I

[misterkurukuru]

do's are wide open...

good but not great.

[Keegs]

Good video but why do people insist on clapping when anyone does anything?

[Girubatto]

How about to cheer for their teammates? Since you are only allowed to scream: gambatte and fighto! You arent going to scream gambatte and fighto ALL of the time, so you clap! Besides that, i know from own experience that when somebody tries to go for an ippon and its not that perfect, if people cheer really hard the ippon has a slightly bigger chance of being given by the shimpan.

[JSchmidt]

Actually, you are not allowed to shout anything (although someone should tell the French coach that), hence the clapping. This was emphasized in the Team Managers briefing.

[rainmaker]

I was told number of 7th dan senseis that we should clap really loud to cheer your teammate. You are not allowed to scream though.. Can anyone confirm this ?


Actually, you are not allowed to shout anything (although someone should tell the French coach that), hence the clapping. This was emphasized in the Team Managers briefing.

[JSchmidt]

I was told number of 7th dan senseis that we should clap really loud to cheer your teammate. You are not allowed to scream though.. Can anyone confirm this ?

Erhh..I just did in the post you quoted.

[sid]

Dubi form n kendo looks like eiga sensei ,very erect left leg and taller posture and sicart is closer to mizayaki ,a low crouching seme with bent left knee...

for a moment i thought i was watching the AJKC finals ;D

[The great I AM]

do's are wide open....If it weren't next to impossible at times to score do in Europe that might have been a problem....

[misterkurukuru]

you know over here its the same. It’s impossible to get a do, even if the other person has both hands above their heads.

The sensei/shinpan argue that if they award do, then everyone will hit do all the time. But I think if they start giving do, kamae will be stronger, defense will be cleaner, and kote and men will open up more.

I personally think that the ones that are anti do are the ones who cannot hit it to save their lives. Yea, nice sensei, can’t even hit a do. Maybe you should give your menjo back.

[Girubatto]

Haha if THAT was the case they also should stop giving men and kote since everybody is doing that :P I think they should check on the hiki-do's because they are hit a lot of the time but hardly given

[Berserker]

I think they should check on the hiki-do's because they are hit a lot of the time but hardly given

Thats because most beginners tend to be moving backwards when doing hiki do... I was taught that the initial do strike should still have a forwards movement and that as soon as the do has been struck do you move backwards...

That is why most beginners never score a point on hiki do's - or so I was taught!

But hell, what do I know... :D

[The great I AM]

The sensei/shinpan argue that if they award do, then everyone will hit do all the time. But I think if they start giving do, kamae will be stronger, defense will be cleaner, and kote and men will open up more. This is exactly it. If people thought that they were in as much danger from raising their arms as they were from dropping their kensen, they simply wouldn't do it.

[Super Kodachi2]

If it weren't next to impossible at times to score do in Europe that might have been a problem....

Says the man who scored a Hiki Do against Sweden... :)

[Andoru]

Wow love the kote-men and the kote-kaeshi-kote!

[misterkurukuru]

This is exactly it. If people thought that they were in as much danger from raising their arms as they were from dropping their kensen, they simply wouldn't do it.

what would boxing be with out the body shots?

I suppose a piece of undeserved paper carries more influence than common sense.

[jmarsten]

you know over here its the same. It’s impossible to get a do, even if the other person has both hands above their heads.

The sensei/shinpan argue that if they award do, then everyone will hit do all the time. But I think if they start giving do, kamae will be stronger, defense will be cleaner, and kote and men will open up more.

I personally think that the ones that are anti do are the ones who cannot hit it to save their lives. Yea, nice sensei, can’t even hit a do. Maybe you should give your menjo back.

This is one of my pet peeves, it is ridiculous the way doh is ignored. Same with hiki waza. Actually when doing test cutting I found I could cut even stronger doing hiki waza.
They sure take doh in Japan, but in the US it is like they have to be sooo perfect before some shinpan will score them.
Now having said that, I see so many of the kyu who don't have a strong men trying to hit doh when it is not open nor do they know how to create the opening. Instead they just whack people in the elbow. My favorite amongst the beginners is the kote-men-hiki elbow combo.

[Bokushingu]

what would boxing be with out the body shots?

I suppose a piece of undeserved paper carries more influence than common sense.


boxing would be nothing without the Body shot (left hook to the ribs, or right upper cut to the stomach). It's the only way to slow down a runner or someone that constantly goes into the crab defense(both arms crossed over the head, used by greats like Joe frazier & George Forman). plus it's the only shot that hurts: the shots to the head just make you sleepy :)

[Girubatto]

This is one of my pet peeves, it is ridiculous the way doh is ignored. Same with hiki waza. Actually when doing test cutting I found I could cut even stronger doing hiki waza.
They sure take doh in Japan, but in the US it is like they have to be sooo perfect before some shinpan will score them.
Now having said that, I see so many of the kyu who don't have a strong men trying to hit doh when it is not open nor do they know how to create the opening. Instead they just whack people in the elbow. My favorite amongst the beginners is the kote-men-hiki elbow combo.

We've got about the same problem here in the Netherlands. So we tend to make our do's and hiki-do's only when Vitalis-sensei is one of the shimpan :P ofcourse it has to be good, but not like All-Japan-Final-perfect :P

Also about what was said earlier, how the heck can you make hiki-do while moving forward first? I'd say get the hell out of there after the hit and leave your opponent stunned. And thats also what Vitalis-sensei tells us. If you can't get away fast enough, your opponent might get the chance to follow you. It's true it's not ALWAYS the case, because in shiai a good timing might be good enough. Ah well. I think there's some room for some difference in opinions here, depending on your sensei

[Neil Gendzwill]

I was taught that the initial do strike should still have a forwards movement and that as soon as the do has been struck do you move backwards...I've never heard that. The usual problems preventing people from scoring hiki-doh include too close, bad hasuji, weak hit, no reason, poor zanshin.

[Girubatto]

I've never heard that. The usual problems preventing people from scoring hiki-doh include too close, bad hasuji, weak hit, no reason, poor zanshin.

Agreed! Also a lot of people have their shinai with the zuru pointing upwards when hitting do which means you want to cut with the side of your blade :P its one of the pointers our shimpan really look after with do-moves lately

[The great I AM]

Says the man who scored a Hiki Do against Sweden... :)I did say NEXT TO impossible. But to prove a point, thats a grand total of hiki dou number 2 that I have scored since starting kendo!

But seriously, at times the judging for dou of most sorts is crazily inconsistent. Kote can score on the knuckles, men on the mengane, but unless the dou would be good enough to slice God in half, a great deal of the time the shinpan won't give it a second thought.

Pieces of paper indeed....

[Fonsz]

what would boxing be with out the body shots?

I suppose a piece of undeserved paper carries more influence than common sense.
"You must spread some reputation" so I'm spreading it here'

[Girubatto]

"You must spread some reputation" so I'm spreading it here'

i think i'm missing some kind of point here ;)

[Girubatto]

Third team match is up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soWiTLNFGpM

[Girubatto]

Fourth match is up:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=S11AGzS3DiI

[Girubatto]

Sorry for another post, but i cant seem to find where i can delete or edit my messages! Anywayz, here's the list with the EKC 08 matches i uploaded:

Men's final:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ5MrAmHNbA

Men's team final:

Match 1: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=siyq3c6TrP0
Match 2: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=qpXW-aLcf9I
Match 3: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=soWiTLNFGpM
Match 4: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=CpLhBSlCKr0
Match 5: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=eLo53pantro