Horse style fumikomi!!!!!!!!!!

[Kendoka_Han]

:laugh:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yjyetiJhviw

[Fai]

haha that is so freaking funny,

[Kaoru]

OMG.... Hilarious!!! I love the skipping foot up high "fumikomi" which wasn't fumikomi at all! He didn't even make a thump. I couldn't stop laughing at the rest of that video either... :D :D McDojo!!! Must vaccinate them with the McDojo vaccine so they'll suddenly become lucid and realise they are not doing real kendo and suddenly have a desire to find proper instruction!

hahahahah...

Kaoru

[absenteekendoka]

:) Theres only one kendoka capable of stopping this prancing menace.............we need to call on Sue Bizzary. ;)

[Kaoru]

Here's another one from the same people in the first clip:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=j6yCItKxT2g&feature=related

Honestly, it looks to me, like someone went to a kendo dojo and had a couple practices and then quit and started his own dojo. Scary that someone would actually be stupid enough to take one or two classes and then quit and make up their own dojo and call it kendo. But, it happens.

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Here's another one from the same page, but different group:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=YM-5Zl4yU_A&feature=related

The second half is the funniest bit. They actually have a shinai "kata." Man, it's so darned funny!!

If I went to some Anime convention(And I've never gone to one.) like this and saw that, I'm not sure I could keep myself from dying of laughter. I'd have to bite my tongue or book out of there so I could laugh myself silly!

Kaoru

[Anonymous]

If I went to some Anime convention(And I've never gone to one.) like this and saw that, I'm not sure I could keep myself from dying of laughter. I'd have to bite my tongue or book out of there so I could laugh myself silly!

Kaoru


I'd just laugh, chances are none of the weaboos will do much of anything to bother you.

Kinda like the time I yelled "dork" real loud when my uncle freaking dragged me to a star trek convention...it got real quiet for about 30 seconds...and then people went back to their business.

[Kaoru]

I'd just laugh, chances are none of the weaboos will do much of anything to bother you.

Kinda like the time I yelled "dork" real loud when my uncle freaking dragged me to a star trek convention...it got real quiet for about 30 seconds...and then people went back to their business.

hahaha, That's funny! You actually yelled that?? What was it that made you call them a dork? I think attending a Star Trek convention would be worse than an anime one... :D

Kaoru

[ne0r]

Hm, doesn't look like it's necessarily mcdojo.

I mean perhaps they're just beginners who think "hey, let's do some pointless exercises with bokuto" and "hey, let's hit each other silly". Seems like they have been to more than only 1-2 practises.

[Anonymous]

hahaha, That's funny! You actually yelled that?? What was it that made you call them a dork? I think attending a Star Trek convention would be worse than an anime one... :D

Kaoru

My uncle was just totally nerding out, and I just did not want to get caught at a freaking star trek convention, so I started doing things to annoy him to the point of letting me leave the place. I mean, I love the show and all, but some of the freaks just ruin it for me.

[Kaoru]

Hm, doesn't look like it's necessarily mcdojo.

I mean perhaps they're just beginners who think "hey, let's do some pointless exercises with bokuto" and "hey, let's hit each other silly". Seems like they have been to more than only 1-2 practises.

They weren't using bokuto. They were using shinai.

Did you see their first video that Han-san posted? Definitely McDojo, and it's hilarious. Sad too...

I do think they would benefit from getting proper instruction, watching them though. Looks like they need several months without bogu, like no less than 4, to get rid of bad habits, at least, to clean up a lot of stuff, especially that very sloppy footwork and then learn to put on the bogu correctly and then do more kihon, leaving out the silly jodan and hasso junk and that strange fumikomi hopping.

Kaoru

[Kaoru]

My uncle was just totally nerding out, and I just did not want to get caught at a freaking star trek convention, so I started doing things to annoy him to the point of letting me leave the place. I mean, I love the show and all, but some of the freaks just ruin it for me.

hehehe, I can understand that completely! No kid(I assume you were young then?) wants to be embarrassed by an adult relative.

Anyway, at least you got to leave! :)

Oh yeah, I love Star Trek too, but I don't go that gaga over it. ;) I suppose some people have to have their fantasies I guess, or whatever you would call it. :)

Kaoru

[Lady_Kitsune]

For what you said, Kaoru, they need to learn kendo.

[absenteekendoka]

I've seen some really bad footwork and form even with people that are ranked, anywhere from 1st to 4th dan. It does happen, and from what some of the gradings have demonstrated in the past its sometimes more prevelant than we'd like to think.

That hopping hop a long cassidy thing though was just ridiculous, give em a quick subizari and put em on their asses. But thats just me.

[Alison2805]

Yeah, I dont generally care about videos of idiots pretending to do kendo, but that was FREAKING DISGUSTING! What a load of rubbish.

[MSPaintClock]

Speaking horse style fumikomi. I want my fumikomi to be really loud and scary how do I achieve that?

[Lady_Kitsune]

Speaking horse style fumikomi. I want my fumikomi to be really loud and scary how do I achieve that?


Practice, loads and loads of practice

[Fai]

Speaking horse style fumikomi. I want my fumikomi to be really loud and scary how do I achieve that?

eat lots of pies and gravity will help :)

[kensenbatusaii]

:disapp::disapp::disapp:

sad sad sad

when people see others

yet they missed looking

beyond others

they failed to see themselves

:chinese::chinese::chinese:

[Andoru]

It was a very entertaining clip haha!

[litige]

The dojo looks really nice thouhgt (I never knew how to write that....I think I'll never know to...I just learned how to write a french word not long ago....).

[samurai80]

:disapp::disapp::disapp:

sad sad sad

when people see others

yet they missed looking

beyond others

they failed to see themselves

:chinese::chinese::chinese:

Wow, that is really deep. Oh, wait. No it isn't.

[Dan Weber]

Not to say that these guys don't need a lot of practice (who doesn't?) but I think sometimes people can be a little quick with the "McDojo" tag. For example, although they didn't have anything that looked like traditional fumikomi, maybe there was a reason for that? Hard to see from the vid, but the floor might not be hardwood; possibly concrete, or something like that, in which case you won't see fumikomi like we are used to at all, unless the person doing it was looking to bust up their feet really good (there are some similar issues I believe in some dojos in the South Pacific or S.E. Asia, with a similar fumikomi issue possibly outlined in a KW mag?? Can't remember exactly) Not every dojo in the world has access to nice, or even acceptable flooring, so perhaps these were beginners on a less than ideal floor surface who hadn't learned how to compensate for that yet. Just a thought. Some of us might want to take things like this into account before we start flaming well-intentioned but obviously still developing kendoka, especially those in other parts of the world that don't have the same access to facilities and high quality training like we do here in the States.

Dan Weber

[Alison2805]

The video says this is a demonstration, not just a couple of beginners learning.

[nonamehandle]

I agree full heartedly with the sentiments you have, Dan. For a while it seems, the posts of vids of bad kendo, "mcdojos", etc. have been proliferating on the forum. yes, it is easy to laugh at them and post disparaging comments on them, but the whole exercise have been striking me as being very childish, intolerant and "bullyish". there is something about snickering about someone or some group because of their current ignorance or because they are different, that fills me with uneasy. to be fair to others, most of the "bullyish" behaviours seem to be by recently graduated from newbie status forumites...

[samurai80]

Okay, fair enough. How about someone send them a polite message, inquiring to their training background, if there are other dojos nearby, the purpose of their video, etc. (I'm automatically not a candidate, 'cause I think we all know how well that will go with me). Then, when they respond with what I expect to be a story full of dan gradings, awkward answers to simple questions, and other less-than-beleivable BS, I can continue to snicker. If they have a heart-warming tale of their struggle to do kendo without proper resources nearby, then I will cease to snicker (in this thread). Until then...snicker, snicker.

[kensenbatusaii]

Not to say that these guys don't need a lot of practice (who doesn't?) but I think sometimes people can be a little quick with the "McDojo" tag. For example, although they didn't have anything that looked like traditional fumikomi, maybe there was a reason for that? Hard to see from the vid, but the floor might not be hardwood; possibly concrete, or something like that, in which case you won't see fumikomi like we are used to at all, unless the person doing it was looking to bust up their feet really good (there are some similar issues I believe in some dojos in the South Pacific or S.E. Asia, with a similar fumikomi issue possibly outlined in a KW mag?? Can't remember exactly) Not every dojo in the world has access to nice, or even acceptable flooring, so perhaps these were beginners on a less than ideal floor surface who hadn't learned how to compensate for that yet. Just a thought. Some of us might want to take things like this into account before we start flaming well-intentioned but obviously still developing kendoka, especially those in other parts of the world that don't have the same access to facilities and high quality training like we do here in the States.

Dan Weber

now

this is

an excellent point!!

:chinese::chinese::chinese:

[kensenbatusaii]

Okay, fair enough. How about someone send them a polite message, inquiring to their training background, if there are other dojos nearby, the purpose of their video, etc. (I'm automatically not a candidate, 'cause I think we all know how well that will go with me). Then, when they respond with what I expect to be a story full of dan gradings, awkward answers to simple questions, and other less-than-beleivable BS, I can continue to snicker. If they have a heart-warming tale of their struggle to do kendo without proper resources nearby, then I will cease to snicker (in this thread). Until then...snicker, snicker.


and

you are

still missing

the point!!

:chinese::chinese::chinese:

[samurai80]

Yep. Right over my head.

[Paburo]

looks like the video was shot in peru... from a quick google browse, it seems like peru only has one kendo dojo (that is, 1 dojo for 7 and half million people, and more than 1.2 million square kms...)

i wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if these guys dont have both access to a nice wooden floor, and proper instruction. the country is not even affiliated to the IKF, thus, cooperation with the ZNKR and other organisations is limited.

now, isn't it so easy to jump on the neck of anyone in a youtube video, and label them as 'mcdojo'. i'm surprised that even 'kaoru' aka "kendo world forum's 'mom'" and "loyal protector of everything that's fair and square", is all game to ridicule the people in that video without the minimum effort of a trifle research.

don't get me wrong, i'm not saying these guys had access to a very nice sensei and instead chose to do crappy kendo and post it on youtube, but given the circumstances i think i really would be better off giving them the benefit of the doubt...

[absenteekendoka]

looks like the video was shot in peru... from a quick google browse, it seems like peru only has one kendo dojo (that is, 1 dojo for 7 and half million people, and more than 1.2 million square kms...)

i wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if these guys dont have both access to a nice wooden floor, and proper instruction. the country is not even affiliated to the IKF, thus, cooperation with the ZNKR and other organisations is limited.

now, isn't it so easy to jump on the neck of anyone in a youtube video, and label them as 'mcdojo'. i'm surprised that even 'kaoru' aka "kendo world forum's 'mom'" and "loyal protector of everything that's fair and square", is all game to ridicule the people in that video without the minimum effort of a trifle research.

don't get me wrong, i'm not saying these guys had access to a very nice sensei and instead chose to do crappy kendo and post it on youtube, but given the circumstances i think i really would be better off giving them the benefit of the doubt...

Me, I just wanna tsubisari them onto there behinds for hopping around like that. Noooo balance.........

[absenteekendoka]

their.....damn you predictive text!

[Paburo]

Me, I just wanna tsubisari them onto there behinds for hopping around like that. Noooo balance.........

tsubisari? perhaps you meant tsubazeriai(鍔迫り合い)? or is "tsubisari them onto their behinds" a native canadian expression that i'm not aware of? lol.

[absenteekendoka]

tsubisari? perhaps you meant tsubazeriai(鍔迫り合い)? or is "tsubisari them onto their behinds" a native canadian expression that i'm not aware of? lol.

Oh, its the art of distracting your opponent by throwing poutine and montreal smoked meat at him/her and then hitting them in the head with a stuffed 'beaver' :) But I thought everyone knew that? Or was it my crazy accent that fooled you? ;)

[Big One]

I can prove to you that they are not from McDojo:

They don't wear black belt outside of Hakama and there is no Soke involved.

I have to admit, I laughed at the fumikomi too. It is exactly as Kendoka-Han said: Horse style. Do you see when one of them standing on the back foot and scratching the ground with the front foot? That is horsy.

[Mosquite]

First of all: I don't think that it is floors fault since their footwork looks better (not good but better) in their other video and it does not look like concrete to me.
I really understand that they possibly don't have the opportinity to go a real dojo or get proper teachings. (I do feel sorry for them if they don't have) But the thing that bothers me is that they upload their videos to youtube and call it kendo and they don't mention that they don't have proper sensei. It gives non kendokas a bad impression about kendo and they may even start training kendo themself taking their technic from this kind of videos what creates more "backyard ninjas" and "McDojos". (Even them who have the opportinity to go to a proper dojo.)

And if they have a proper sensei... I still feel sorry for them...

[Kaoru]

I can prove to you that they are not from McDojo:

They don't wear black belt outside of Hakama and there is no Soke involved.

I have to admit, I laughed at the fumikomi too. It is exactly as Kendoka-Han said: Horse style. Do you see when one of them standing on the back foot and scratching the ground with the front foot? That is horsy.

That doesn't prove a thing. McDojo don't need soke and belts to be considered a McDojo. And, they look too much like beginners who don't know what they are doing to be considered ready for bogu, much less jodan and hasso. My sensei would die if any of us did kendo like that.

Also, I didn't notice the horse-like scratching. Funny! I'm going to have to watch it again and see.

As I said, it looks like one of them had a lesson or two and then quit and started his own dojo. If you look carefully, you can see the one trying to instruct. It's a shame. I think they show potential in spite of all the silliness in the hopping and the other mistakes apparent. They belong in a real dojo and need to bother putting the time into attending to become real kendoka. Ditching the bogu for several months in a real dojo would be the first step to correcting all their awful habits. Ah well... :)

Kaoru

[Kaoru]

looks like the video was shot in peru... from a quick google browse, it seems like peru only has one kendo dojo (that is, 1 dojo for 7 and half million people, and more than 1.2 million square kms...)

i wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if these guys dont have both access to a nice wooden floor, and proper instruction. the country is not even affiliated to the IKF, thus, cooperation with the ZNKR and other organisations is limited.

now, isn't it so easy to jump on the neck of anyone in a youtube video, and label them as 'mcdojo'. i'm surprised that even 'kaoru' aka "kendo world forum's 'mom'" and "loyal protector of everything that's fair and square", is all game to ridicule the people in that video without the minimum effort of a trifle research.

don't get me wrong, i'm not saying these guys had access to a very nice sensei and instead chose to do crappy kendo and post it on youtube, but given the circumstances i think i really would be better off giving them the benefit of the doubt...

Actually, that didn't have to be googled at all. I just had to find out how to look at the guy's profile and now I see it says Peru. And, seeing as only one dojo exists there(I was already aware of that.), there's a huge lack of instruction available. But, the country is small so I don't know if it would be that hard to travel from time to time to the dojo. I just signed up for a youtube account so I can e-mail him and ask. I assume he might not speak English so I'm writing in Spanish.

I'm going to ask where they learned and where they live in Peru, and I am going to let them know there is a dojo there, in case they do not know about it. As I said, they show potential. The more I think about it, the more I think we should see if they want help. Most McDojo vids show people who obviously don't want help but this one is hard to read in that context.

Honestly, I couldn't help it. It WAS funny to see, and that is just not how you do fumikomi. The floor does not make you hop on one foot that way. If it was cement, that wouldn't make you hop either. It's just due to a lack of knowledge, that's all. At first glance, you think McDojo when you see stupid stuff like that, on top of all the other mistakes they made. But yes, I agree that sometimes, and it would be rare, imho, that there is a group that just needs help and just was errant on posting videos that could get them laughed at. The majority of youtube "kendo" vids are crap though...

So, I'm going to just see what they are up to and see what response I get, if any.

Kaoru

[Lady_Kitsune]

Gee, I wouldn't call Peru small country... But it does surprise me that not even in Lima they have a good dojo considering the Japanese colony that still exist there.

Is a shame anyway they do posts this vids on youtube considering all the good kendo vids you can see there, you jump into conclusions inmediately. I would love to help them somehow, we have so many good dojos here in Chile, but they are a bit far away.

I feel sorry for them (even thou that terrible fumikomi is so funny)

[Big One]

That doesn't prove a thing. McDojo don't need soke and belts to be considered a McDojo. And, they look too much like beginners who don't know what they are doing to be considered ready for bogu, much less jodan and hasso. My sensei would die if any of us did kendo like that.

Also, I didn't notice the horse-like scratching. Funny! I'm going to have to watch it again and see.

As I said, it looks like one of them had a lesson or two and then quit and started his own dojo. If you look carefully, you can see the one trying to instruct. It's a shame. I think they show potential in spite of all the silliness in the hopping and the other mistakes apparent. They belong in a real dojo and need to bother putting the time into attending to become real kendoka. Ditching the bogu for several months in a real dojo would be the first step to correcting all their awful habits. Ah well... :)

Kaoru

Do you know them to have a lesson or two and then quit?

So what does McDojo consists of? and what makes a real Dojo?

Example: If I got 6 dan from any legit federation, then open my own "for Profit" dojo. Then later, I want to call my Kendo different name and become Soke. Is my dojo a Mac?

[Anonymous]

Example: If I got 6 dan from any legit federation, then open my own "for Profit" dojo. Then later, I want to call my Kendo different name and become Soke. Is my dojo a Mac?


Depends. If the place is running to rip people off and churn out an assload of "black belts" it would be, regardless of if the instruction the students get is any good or not. If its got bad instruction, and a ton of bullshit in general its bullshido, regardless of if its a mcdojo or not.