No, No, No.... your OTHER left foot.... [Archive]

still learning

15th May 2008, 07:31 PM

Bokushingu

15th May 2008, 07:51 PM

Well being an over thirty, reasonably intelligent (under normal circumstance) adult with no kata experience b4 kendo, I found even Kendo kata 1 difficult because i just couldn't get the purpose. After 4 years of training & reading the various threads on Nihon No Kendo Kata, I feel somewhat comfortable.

I agreed to watch a friend at work Tae kwon do practice last month. And they do these really long complex katas with 40 to 50 moves jumping and twirling & stuff...I'm thankful for the simplicity of the Kendo Katas.

JoDuncan

15th May 2008, 08:23 PM

I'm of the school of thought that thinks simple kata are easier to take something from and almost directly apply it to something else (bokuto to shinai e.g.). The long complex kata of the likes of kung fu do serve a purpose, even the likes of the jo kata we have to learn in aikido do too (but i like 'em ;)). But, they are long and tend to lose their "martialness" in favour of remembering the steps but then it's a case of practice practice practice until the shape is down then you can rub some bu on it to prevent it becoming a twirly whishy exercise in athleticism.

;)

Tsunemori

15th May 2008, 08:57 PM

I've done around 5 years of Karate, and I think Kendo kata are by far a lot simpler than Karate ones. There are like, less than 10 counts from start to finish, while I used to learn 30-40 counts for each kata in Karate.

Execution wise, of course, it's a lot more technical and confusing since you do it with a partner, but I didn't find it hard to learn at all. I have seen people getting absolutely confused though, and I don't get why either. I guess my past experience with longer, more complex kata did help a lot.

emitbrownne

15th May 2008, 09:01 PM

Spent 90 minutes last night on Kendo Kata - - must have said 'No, your other left foot....' [or something akin] at least 30 times.

If it had been 'Night-one kendo' for any of them I would not have minded so much - - but some are at visit #20 or more and still mix up their limbs. All adults; all over 30; all reasonably intelligent [under normal circumstances].

I know that there is no 'magic bullet' or easy fix...........

Just venting frustration, really.

Bill

Try less talking and more showing..

I found that the student responds better to mimicry rather than being told 'left this, uchiotoshi that'
They will have a million and one things whizzing through thier head, including

"why is sensei/sempai looking at me like that?"
"I step than move or move then step..or both at the same time ...arghhh"
"damn I got it wrong last time, I dont want to look a prat"

and even then they will do it wrong.

First show only mechanics... dont tie them up with "you do X because of Y"

then get them to relax... its fun.

oh.. and relax yourself.. If you are tense, they will be more so.

rottunpunk

15th May 2008, 11:39 PM

oh.. and relax yourself.. If you are tense, they will be more so.

hehe
bill? relax?
:p

ZEROtoNINE

16th May 2008, 12:08 AM

When I first started to assist in instructing kata, I tried to explain too much of what I was showing. Why you do this, the purpose of that, what your opponent is/will be doing. As said above, I've found that just working on the basic mechanics of the kata before anything is explained, seems to work best for me. Once the person I'm working with can perform the fundamentals of the kata, I'll then start getting into a bit of the technical explanations. Keep in mind that I'm in no way a Teacher, I'm just the highest ranking student in the class, and am asked to assist with the beginners from time to time - so take it for what it's worth.

Kaoru

16th May 2008, 04:49 AM

Try less talking and more showing..

I found that the student responds better to mimicry rather than being told 'left this, uchiotoshi that'
They will have a million and one things whizzing through thier head, including

"why is sensei/sempai looking at me like that?"
"I step than move or move then step..or both at the same time ...arghhh"
"damn I got it wrong last time, I dont want to look a prat"

and even then they will do it wrong.

First show only mechanics... dont tie them up with "you do X because of Y"

then get them to relax... its fun.

oh.. and relax yourself.. If you are tense, they will be more so.

I agree with you, but I'm going to go one step further with this... :)

When I was at the AUSKF summer camp in 2004, Hayashi-sensei, the hachidan who they brought in to teach us, talked about how to teach kata. He said to break it down in to pieces and don't try to teach a kata in it's entirety or you could really confuse students learning them. So, you could show them the entire kata so they know what it should look like as a finished whole, first. Then, take it and break in down in sections so they don't become overwhelmed, and then add from there, once they understand the first bit. Then, add another bit, etc, until they finally know the whole thing. I myself, prefer this approach. I find it hard to assimilate an entire kata all at once and get it right after I've been shown it. Honestly, there's a lot involved in learning kata, from the footwork up to how the blade angle of the bokuto should be, and more. I'm not surprised they didn't get their feet correct right away if you've been having them swallow a kata whole each time.

Also, it's a good idea to encourage home kata practice in between kata lessons. That will also help their skills get better. :)

Kaoru

DCPan

16th May 2008, 04:59 AM

I've done around 5 years of Karate, and I think Kendo kata are by far a lot simpler than Karate ones. There are like, less than 10 counts from start to finish, while I used to learn 30-40 counts for each kata in Karate.

IMHO, comparing solo and paired kata are like comparing apples and oranges though.

Part of the difficulty is people learn by watching...and when they don't get a good view of the instructor, they watch and mimic what other people are doing.

Problem with learning kendo kata, if you watch the other guy, esp in number 1, you will have the wrong foot forward because the other guy is in a different jodan.

While I haven't exactly "taught" kata more than a handful of times, from being on the receiving end, it seems like only teaching one side to EVERYBODY makes it less confusing...when you got half the students doing uchidachi and half doing shidachi, the mimicking alone will cause much confusing when they are doing it for the first time.

Personally though, I also prefer teachers who cover sonkyo and kamae no kata (what the five kamaes are and how they relate) before they dive into kata proper.

YMMV.

Neil Gendzwill

16th May 2008, 05:16 AM

Personally though, I also prefer teachers who cover sonkyo and kamae no kata (what the five kamaes are and how they relate) before they dive into kata proper.Absolutely. First teach the reiho and the kamae, then teach the gross mechanics of the particular kata.

H.Sandsleth

16th May 2008, 05:43 AM

Using the mirrors can be good for people who have difficulty mimicking others. That way you can do it together, and see yourself as well as the other person, without having to translate left in front of you back to your own right, etc. Also some people will not understand that things are off, unless they can actually see themselves doing it.

Maku-san

16th May 2008, 05:46 AM

rottunpunk

16th May 2008, 06:42 AM

I'm sorry, Sensei! :( I promise to do better next time!

Mark :beard:

hehe, thats you told ;)

just so you all know, still learning first taught t-rexi to kill stegasaurosusses
(how does one pluralise dinosaur names)
he looks like one too
oops sorry bill :dead:

but ive learnt stuff from all the advice giving, so keep it coming
im still learning how to be a sempai
but may have to brancvh out on my own soon
:p

Maku-san

16th May 2008, 09:07 AM

*LOL* @ Debz' post.... :laugh:

Sorry, luv, but I tried to give +rep... the computer didn't allow me. :(

rottunpunk

16th May 2008, 05:10 PM

then spread yourself around some more dammit :D
:p

still learning

16th May 2008, 05:21 PM

Many thanks for all of the responses - - except the last one from Debz/rottunpunk......
Not aacurate enough. Do I look more like a Steg or a Rex?? ........ carefully consider the answer, it could be costly!

2 seconds after I started this thread I thought 'Stop moaning and just deal with it...' ... and thus expected more responses in this vein. Therefore I thank every respondant for being 'gentle' with their posts [except Debz!]

I have started with reiho and kamae;- seemingly successfully.
Moved on to all doing only one side, then the other ; seemingly successfully.
Have broken the kata down into sections; seemingly successfully.
Considered and discussed 'distance'; seemingly successfully.

Put them in pairs and ask them to perform kata slowly and 'mechanically' - - [some] rat shit............!!

Perseverance required..........

PhilMcLaughlin

16th May 2008, 05:38 PM

you could show a Daniel Day Lewis DVD to see if they get the idea ? ;-)

otherwise just keep plugging away

you try videoing them so they can see what they actually do compared to what they think they do - that sometimes works

good luck !

JCM

16th May 2008, 05:55 PM

If is any consolation, I completely drew a blank during ipponmme in front of the whole class last Sunday I could see my aite (koban, who dwells on these forums) go wide eyed while in attempt to save face I tried to 'remember'.

It was a mental block under pressure. I think that these applies to complete noobies, if you keep picking at bits they seem to have a real hard time of it. Maybe it was the pressure to perform that got them.....

still learning

16th May 2008, 06:59 PM

Thanks to Phil and JCM for their sympathies and helpful hints.
Have not brought the video camera for a while..... must remember next time.

Just had a telephone conversation with one of them.
He states that he is afraid of actually making contact and doing someone a mischief..... this fear in the front of his mind is causing him to forget everything else.

As yet they are not really in range, and they are working at 'half speed' [really slow] - - but it preys on his mind.

This is a point I need to make to everyone, next time. Worry not [so much] about being in range........ just get through the 'choreography' and we can polish up at a later date.

Wait until I introduce Tachi Uchi no Kurai!!

rottunpunk

17th May 2008, 02:09 AM

Maku-san

17th May 2008, 10:07 AM

erm
you are a cuddly woolly mammoth
freindly and knowledgable, but still quite deadly :D
:p

As we Yanks say: Nice save, luv! :rolleyes:

Bokushingu

20th May 2008, 02:30 AM

Kaoru

20th May 2008, 08:25 AM

Since we are on Kata... I heard that when testing for Shodan the judges would like to see more Zanshin & intention with each kata. Should the feeling be exactly the same as when I'm pressuring an opponent? I'm going to ask my sensei tomorrow about Zanshin doing kata...not sure I completely understand that.

Imho, Yes. Without both when you are pressuring someone, you may as well be saying, "I don't really intend to kill you and this is just for fun." Or, "I don't really care what I'm doing and if I die." And a samurai in the old days would take advantage of that lack of interest to kill you first. Both sides should show zanshin and intent in anything they do. Otherwise, you also may as well be saying, "please kill me" and "I really don't mean it."
That defeats the purpose of doing the kata, imho.

Think of it this way... If you were a samurai and didn't practice having that same zanshin and intent in your lessons whether you were the one pressuring the opponent or on the receiving end of that pressure or whatever waza you were doing, that could mean death for you later on, once you were outside the dojo and tangled with another samurai, if you didn't bother to practice these things in the dojo and thus didn't have either. It stands to reason the same is true for now.

Kata as I understand it, should help with one's zanshin and intent and it should transfer into one's shinai kendo practice. So, you can use that as your "outside the dojo" scenario with another samurai who is really now a kendoka facing you. What do you think will happen in ji-geiko if you don't have both zanshin and intent when putting pressure on the opponent?

Kata is one of the things I love and I take it very seriously... :)

Kaoru

ShinKenshi

20th May 2008, 10:52 AM

Since we are on Kata... I heard that when testing for Shodan the judges would like to see more Zanshin & intention with each kata. Should the feeling be exactly the same as when I'm pressuring an opponent? I'm going to ask my sensei tomorrow about Zanshin doing kata...not sure I completely understand that.I wonder if this may depend on what federation you're in and who is judging. Here's what I can say based on my experience when I tested for shodan.

We weren't really told anything one way or another in terms of what the judges wanted to see in the kata. All that I remember being told was to not get flustered if I make a mistake or if my partner makes a mistake since the judges want to see how you react in that situation. There was one thing that distracted me a little. There were three younger kids who did the kata more like they were just going through the motions and I was a little surprised by this (one of them happened to be paired with me). But I digress.

I think that your seme in kata is going to be a little different than it would in shiai or jigeiko. With each kata, your moving with a different intent each time whether you're the uchidachi or shidachi. When you're the uchidachi, you pressure the shidachi to create an opening and you take it when you see/feel it. When you're the shidachi, you have to read the uchidachi's intentions and react accordingly with strong zanshin to claim dominance in the situation. In shiai or jigeiko, you pressure your opponent to find/make openings while reading your opponent at the same time. To put it simply, the kata allow you to practice two kinds of seme one at a time. This gives you the freedom to develop them in a simpler way and also demonstrates why you need to have an understanding of both.

I hope this makes sense and if it doesn't I'd be more than happy to try to explain what I mean further.

still learning

20th May 2008, 07:54 PM

erm
you are a cuddly woolly mammoth freindly and knowledgable, but still quite deadly :D :p

One could say that you diplomatically evaded falling into a [very deep] hole with these comments.

I would rather say 'Chicken!'
Shame you don't play the armour game any more - it might be fun to play with you....... so to speak.
B

JSchmidt

20th May 2008, 08:46 PM

I can usually get a group of beginners to roughly hack their way through the first 3 in kendo no kata in 1 evening. It wont be pretty and the footwork on sanbonme will fall apart, but it'll be roughly there.
I drill each side of the form with them; First uchidachi 10-15 times, then shidachi and then make them do the first form. Move on to the next, rinse and repeat.
Then when you ask them to do all 3 in succession, it falls apart again and you built it up again.
Nowadays, as we also have to teach the kihon kata, we'll do that until we get bored and then teach the first 2 kendo no kata.

rottunpunk

20th May 2008, 08:54 PM

One could say that you diplomatically evaded falling into a [very deep] hole with these comments.

I would rather say 'Chicken!'
Shame you don't play the armour game any more - it might be fun to play with you....... so to speak.
B

you think you look like a chicken?
dont be so harsh on yourself ;)

i finish working tuesday nights in a month or so hopefully
and the university (iai class) will be closed at some point for summer no doubt
i should make the effort to visit you some time, if you dont mind
:p

still learning

20th May 2008, 09:23 PM

Debz: look forward to seeing you........

....seeing you cry with frustration, that is.

rottunpunk

20th May 2008, 09:34 PM

aww you are too kind :D
:p

Peter West

20th May 2008, 10:17 PM

Hi Bill, welcome to the world of teaching 2-person kata. It's hard enough when you have 2 people in the dojo that know them so that you can demonstrate them properly. It's a lot more frustrating when no-one else knows them and you have to describe both sides, then try and get people to fit them together.

Ookami7

20th May 2008, 11:12 PM

Deb, loved your diplomatic comment lol too bad I can`t give ya more rep at this time!!!!
Depends how much time and effort to each dojo, person, puts into it. I had a very solid grounding in
it from Idaho Kendo Kai and Stroud Sensei! However not as much emphasis is put on it here in Japan.
So on a good day I can remeber up to number 5! 6 and 7 need a bit more practice. Haven`t learned the kotachi
forms yet! When I took my Ikkyu here in Japan, did get signaled out as having best kata presentation out of everyone!
Alot of it has to do with getting timing and distance right! Anyways good luck and just keep following up and working with them!

still learning

21st May 2008, 12:17 AM

Hi Bill, welcome to the world of teaching 2-person kata.

Hi Pete; Its bad enough when trying Kendo Kata or Kihon Waza....... even more fun with Tachi Uchi no Kurai........ don't you agree?
Either there is no meaning in what is occuring - or - other side of the coin... someone gets a little carried away and bruises ensue.

Bill

Bokushingu

21st May 2008, 12:23 AM

imouto

21st May 2008, 03:09 AM

I don't know whether it's worth me posting this. I want to give a perspective from someone who is new at kendo, that is at beginner level, and been exposed to some kata.

Firstly, when I saw it being performed, it was graceful and well timed. This sets the bar rather high.

Secondly, it's nothing like any other kata from karate or tae kwon do. And although I also have picked up iaido, I find kendo kata extremely challenging. It's not individual timing that's important. You need to work with another person and come together wordlessly to an agreed timing. This on top of trying to recall where you place feet and how.

I'm horrible at it. It fills my heart with dread. Innately as a musician I normally have a sense of timing and rhythm but with this there are seemingly no signals.

Compared to my very first lesson of kendo, kata is definitely information overload. And after learning the basic footwork and being thrown into the first kata, the biggest shock came when I got told to move my left foot forward. It was like rewiring my brain.

It might be frustrating teaching, but it's equally as frustrating to learn.

DCPan

21st May 2008, 03:20 AM

It's a lot more frustrating when no-one else knows them and you have to describe both sides, then try and get people to fit them together.

Reminds me of one summer in Taiwan when my sensei's back was injured.

He asked me to go help out with a new program that just started at a local high school.

In addition to teaching only one side at a time first, I found it helpful to have all the new folks do one while I do the other as transition to pairing up... "I'm going to cut now, so everybody do the nuki-men..." yada yada yada.

I think it helped them to have all shidachi in line against one uchidachi and all uchidachi in line against one shidachi before they paired up.

Pairing with 25 shidachi at the same time was certainly amusing :D

Just thought I share.... :D

yohed55

21st May 2008, 04:47 AM

Personally though, I also prefer teachers who cover sonkyo and kamae no kata (what the five kamaes are and how they relate) before they dive into kata proper.

I think that helps a lot. When I started my senpai taught me all the kamae, he would yell out a kamae and everyone would hold that kamae. He would then come around and critique everyone to make sure they did it the right way.

We did the kamae practice for two or three lessons before starting kata, and I had much easier time with learning kata then most of the beginners at my dojo now, who don't know what Jodan is.

If I was ever to teach people kata :eek: I would make sure they knew what the kamae were first.

Kaoru

21st May 2008, 05:41 AM

Thank-you very much Kaoru & Shinkenshi.

So from your post, I will need to be in the correct mindset & not just going through the moves. So I will start practicing the correct mindset/mental-state in kata.

You're welcome! :)

Yup! You gotta be in the proper mind-set whether or not you have an opponent in front of you(That is, practicing alone or with someone.) :) Pretend you are the one attacking someone first when practicing the uchidachi side. Then, pretend your life is in danger and you have to defend yourself when practicing the shidachi side.(Because this is what each side is about. One starts the fight, the other defends, then one wins, and one loses.) hehehe, It helps to have a really good imagination... That'll help with your zanshin and your intentions. :)

Just going through each technique would technically get you killed because you would not be thinking properly and be in the right mind-set.

Kaoru

Peter West

21st May 2008, 06:46 AM

Hi Pete; Its bad enough when trying Kendo Kata or Kihon Waza....... even more fun with Tachi Uchi no Kurai........ don't you agree?
Either there is no meaning in what is occuring - or - other side of the coin... someone gets a little carried away and bruises ensue.

Bill
That just about sums it up

jjcruiser

21st May 2008, 06:56 AM

Nowadays, as we also have to teach the kihon kata, we'll do that until we get bored and then teach the first 2 kendo no kata.

Excuse me, but what is the difference?

In a book I have read (Kendo Elements) it is somewhat vague about this and I was just wondering about that when I stumbled onto this thread today. It sounded to me like from what I read that there are ten "kendo kata", seven "long sword" forms and three "short." But what then are these "kihon kata"? And is that sometimes pronounced "nihon" because I thought my sensei said something about that last week. Or is that a third kind?

Of course maybe I misunderstood; I was panting from jumping back and forth and swinging for ten minutes.

Thanks and sorry for the intrusion into your thread.

DCPan

21st May 2008, 07:36 AM

Excuse me, but what is the difference?

But what then are these "kihon kata"?

http://www.mushinkankendo.com/kendo_kihon_waza.html

Kaoru

21st May 2008, 09:51 AM

Excuse me, but what is the difference?

In a book I have read (Kendo Elements) it is somewhat vague about this and I was just wondering about that when I stumbled onto this thread today. It sounded to me like from what I read that there are ten "kendo kata", seven "long sword" forms and three "short." But what then are these "kihon kata"? And is that sometimes pronounced "nihon" because I thought my sensei said something about that last week. Or is that a third kind?

You're right. We have 10 kendo kata: 7 long sword and 3 kodachi(short sword) kata.

But, there is one more set that is similar but different that is pretty new. I can't even describe them and what is the same and different because I've only seen and done them twice a couple years ago and can't remember now. DCPan's link will explain everything though. It's a very good link! :)

No, it's not going to be pronounced nihon. :) That's something else, and what you're probably thinking of, is nidan waza. Nidan means "two step." Ni(two), dan(means "step" in this case.). Nihon means "Japan." (No idea if there is another definition for the same word. For all I know, there is.) And, kihon means "basic."

There isn't a third set of kata. :)

Of course maybe I misunderstood; I was panting from jumping back and forth and swinging for ten minutes.Oh, that's called haya-suburi and it also has another name: choyaku suburi. :)

Kaoru

jjcruiser

21st May 2008, 11:15 AM

Thanks for the explanations (and the link above).

Oh, that's called haya-suburi and it also has another name: choyaku suburi. :)

To be clear, this is where we start with the shinai up above our heads, then make very fast lots of little leaps back and forth touching right foot first then left, then back onto left then onto right, then forward again, with each forward a shomen swing and each back the backswing. That's called hayasuburi or choyaku suburi?

Glad to hear it has a name other than "I will make your calves feel like molten lava before this class is over."

jjcruiser

21st May 2008, 11:31 AM

Okay, I read that website you linked to, so let me see if I have this right:

In 1912 Kendo masters came together and by and large agreed upon 10 "kendo kata."

Nearly 100 years later, Kendo masters came together and created Bokuto Ni Yoru Kendo Kihon-waza Keiko-ho, because they thought there was too much disconnect between the original ten Kendo kata, more "practical" kendo, and the concept of the shinai representing a katana?

But both during the interim, as well as right now, for gradings, we need to know only the 10 kendo kata (more as you advance in grades)?

And there is a movement to incorporate, if not replace, the 100-years old kendo kata with the Kihon kata?

Have I got that basically right?

Thanks.

Kagerou

21st May 2008, 11:49 AM

Reminds me of one summer in Taiwan when my sensei's back was injured.

He asked me to go help out with a new program that just started at a local high school.

In addition to teaching only one side at a time first, I found it helpful to have all the new folks do one while I do the other as transition to pairing up... "I'm going to cut now, so everybody do the nuki-men..." yada yada yada.

I think it helped them to have all shidachi in line against one uchidachi and all uchidachi in line against one shidachi before they paired up.

Pairing with 25 shidachi at the same time was certainly amusing :D

Just thought I share.... :D

sounds like how we practice naginata kata for warm-up. One uchidachi, lots of shidachi. Only we don't get in a straight line, we all point towards the uchidachi. Makes for a bit of adventure when we do dou strikes...

Kaoru

21st May 2008, 12:12 PM

Thanks for the explanations (and the link above).

You're welcome. :) Oh, and DCPan-san gave you the link so thank him, and not me for that. ;)

To be clear, this is where we start with the shinai up above our heads, then make very fast lots of little leaps back and forth touching right foot first then left, then back onto left then onto right, then forward again, with each forward a shomen swing and each back the backswing. That's called hayasuburi or choyaku suburi?
Yes. Choyaku means "jumping" and haya means "fast." They are both the same waza though. :)

Glad to hear it has a name other than "I will make your calves feel like molten lava before this class is over."hahaha! Yeah, it's a hard one to get used to at first. Try practicing 20 to start, at home each night. (If you have trouble with that even, due to stamina and your calves not being used to it, it's ok to start out with just ten and go from there as I laid out in the following. :) ) Once you can do 20 without a problem and with good form and you're comfortable with doing it, then move up 10 more. In one month you can be doing 40 with no problem if you do it right. Add 10 per week, is what I suggest, to build up endurance. Form should come first before speed, imho, so don't overpower it. Besides, when you do that, you get sloppy. Speed will come with time. And, before you know it, you'll not feel so molten lava-like. :)

Kaoru

jjcruiser

22nd May 2008, 06:29 AM

Thanks, yeah, I'm practicing at home and will hopefully have an easier time next week.

satsumaruma

23rd May 2008, 08:36 PM

I must confess that I totally disagree with the advice being given on here.

What we are talking about here people is to motivate these bods to do the thing correctly.

So what is needed is lots of SHOUTING. And when you've finished SHOUT some more. And just to make sure SHOUT SO LOUD THEIR EARS BLEED.

If you think this is not correct I can prove you wrong. The British Empire was the largest ever in the history of everything. And we achieved this by SHOUTING. Oh and the fact that we had guns and usually our opponents had bits of twig or soft fruits or some such stuff. Oh and also we all had moustaches.

So Bill...shout at them and make them all grow fine bushy moustaches and I promise all your problems will be over

H.Sandsleth

23rd May 2008, 09:15 PM

rottunpunk

23rd May 2008, 10:29 PM

So Bill...shout at them and make them all grow fine bushy moustaches and I promise all your problems will be over

what? turn them all into tims?
he shouts and has a moustache. very british
:p

satsumaruma

24th May 2008, 12:45 AM

what? turn them all into tims?
he shouts and has a moustache. very british
:p

AAAAAAAAAAARGH................ a room full of Tims.

I can't get the thought out of my mind now.

I'm gonna need sh1t loads of therapy to sort this one out:ko::ko:

chidokan

24th May 2008, 06:32 AM

pah! another thread I missed out on... a room full of me's.....how exciting!
hmmmmm...sounds like I'd have a Heineken dojo. Possibly the best iaidojo in the world? At least I'd understand what the hell I wanted me to do.

Billy boy, you want me to visit and help out with the kata/kurai? Or do you still want to have students the following week?:laugh:

Sats, the subliminal message from your own post is that you need me as your instructor.... MUHAHAHAHA!!!

still learning

27th May 2008, 07:58 PM

.sounds like I'd have a Heineken dojo. Possibly the best iaidojo in the world?

Billy boy, you want me to visit and help out with the kata/kurai?

Tim - - I think you mean Carlsberg..........
Heineken dojo means probably the pissiest dojo in the world!

As for your help with kata etc...........I'll manage - - added bonus - - they will survive!

still learning

27th May 2008, 08:01 PM

AAAAAAAAAAARGH................ a room full of Tims.

I can't get the thought out of my mind now.

I'm gonna need sh1t loads of therapy to sort this one out:ko::ko:

AGREED!

If there were more than one........ they would have to be Replicants.... at which point we would need our own Deckerd to deal with them.

Volunteers, please!

satsumaruma

27th May 2008, 08:35 PM

Billy boy, you want me to visit and help out with the kata/kurai? Or do you still want to have students the following week?:laugh:

Sats, the subliminal message from your own post is that you need me as your instructor.... MUHAHAHAHA!!!

You could help out with the TUnK but you don't do it right ( although I did like one of your versions which seemed an immense laugh)

Oh and is that your new title......."Instructor Muha Hahaha" it sounds like you're a native american:eek: