Tokyo Joe's Sword Seminar

[Bucho]

I came across a video of a place near me and thought I'd share it with everyone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THy5_fkH52I

[sirius1906]

McSensei's swinging what looks like a wallhanger. What a clown!

[samurai80]

I love the one on one training he does with the student that happens to be closest to the camera. Nothing like more "face time" when you're living your lies.

[misskitty]

omg i could see him slicing that kid open, cringe :confused2

[ccheck5]

lol i love how like most of them are blackbelts

[Kagerou]

One of my friends has a restaurant called Tokyo Joe's. Good food.

[Maku-san]

Permission to hurl now, sir? :eek::dead:

[samurai80]

lol i love how like most of them are blackbelts

You mean the kids? For a second there I thought you meant the "sensei". We all know that's one of the first ten requirements in being a successful McDojo sensei.

[Kagerou]

For a second there I thought you meant the "sensei". We all know that's one of the first ten requirements in being a successful McDojo sensei.

Why do all McDojo "Grandmasters" wear red?

If you check their other vids the kids all wear t-shirts saying "SWAT TEAM" on the back.

Someone should smack these guys

[Brian Dunham]

Bucho,
Are you in NH?

[Winter79]

Hahaha what the hell?

Actually i thought the uniforms were more fun than the swordsplay. Does people actually train in that?

[Bucho]

Bucho,
Are you in NH?

Yeah, I go to Boston Kendo Kyokai. It's a bit of a commute....

[Hexi]

Oh, you guys are so much fun!

Seriously, as a complete newbie, you guys have helped me discern what is "real", and I thank you for that! Plus, the term McDojo does amuse me.

(Yeah, I don't know why I'm delurking for a senseless first post like this, but you can't lurk forever, right?)

My question is... do you think a few of these children will really develop a real interest and seek out more serious training? Will they have developed "bad" habits that will inhibit their growth, or can they overcome?

[Mr. T.]

Ladies and Gents': McDojo presents:
McGrandmaster family (http://www.tokyojoes.net/index.cfm?page=4) they even teach BJJ (http://www.tokyojoes.net/index.cfm?page=16) (why do I doubt that's true :D ). For their sake I hope the Gracies don't find out they are selling this BS (OK maybe I do :laugh:). And ofcourse they are a part of the MA Hall of Fame (http://www.tokyojoes.net/index.cfm?page=15). What a suprise. :smoker:

[Takezo]

Hello Hexi and welcome.

Oh, you guys are so much fun!

My question is... do you think a few of these children will really develop a real interest and seek out more serious training? Will they have developed "bad" habits that will inhibit their growth, or can they overcome?

Sadly, maturity and "waking up" go hand and hand, its hard for a child to discern reality and what something like "koryu" or "iaido" really encompasses, and much like all childhood, any adult's "word" is golden and to a young kid often comes off as the golden unbreakable truth, and covering a variety of topics other than just martial arts, its very hard to "break" out of a mold or lifestyle.

I doubt I could spend 2 minutes arguing with the "Senior" students on the right or the instructor that what they do is pure essential "bullshido" without getting a deaf ear, so again, if those kids rely upon those to "instruct" them who don't care to wake up, its hard to make them feel differently without their own "awakening".

Personally I've had quite a few mcdojo experiences, ranging from typical TKD/Karate to "American Iaido", and I have to say from a child to my teenage years what I felt as "off" and managed to feign an "interest" in seemed to just be eaten up by the other students. Fortunately, I found ways to make long commutes and moved around to far greater dojos. Unfortunately, they stayed behind, believing they were being taught a legit MA, as do their instructors believe they're teaching.

[Mokujin77]

:rolleyes:
Ladies and Gents': McDojo presents:
McGrandmaster family (http://www.tokyojoes.net/index.cfm?page=4) they even teach BJJ (http://www.tokyojoes.net/index.cfm?page=16) (why do I doubt that's true :D ). For their sake I hope the Gracies don't find out they are selling this BS (OK maybe I do :laugh:). And ofcourse they are a part of the MA Hall of Fame (http://www.tokyojoes.net/index.cfm?page=15). What a suprise. :smoker:

Oh dear, not another one....

If you go to the Hall of Fame website, ol' Tokyo Joe is listed as Master Shihan of the year. He must be REEEALY good! :rolleyes:

Talking about the hall of fame, have you noticed that, despite there being awards for specific martial arts from Japan, China and Korea, there is not one Japanese, Chinese or Korean inductee listed. I wonder why......:confused:

[Kagerou]

it gets worse....

they do birthday parties! (http://martialartsites.com/tjssdm/Picture3.jpg)

[Mokujin77]

it gets worse....

they do birthday parties! (http://martialartsites.com/tjssdm/Picture3.jpg)

Unbelievable! What do they do? Come round and duff-up your Granny whilst singing "Happy Birthday"? Roundhouse-kick your birthday cake?

Morons. :mad:

[Obulco]

Why do all McDojo "Grandmasters" wear red?

One good day, they borrow their sister’s Barbie dolls and, from there, it is just a slippery slope.

http://barbeeandfriendsdollclothes.com/ken_doll_karate_gi_uniform.html

[Chaby]

I founded this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UbHqxgDy7Y) today on YouTube.
Quite some familiar faces from the recently closed thread. (http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?p=328886#post328886)

Sorry for hijacking,i thought it's not worthy creating a new thread.

[jjcruiser]

This is my favorite part.

"He is one of the most dynamic pioneers of Shaolin Kempo Karate", AKA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlmIYHUxVA4&feature=related

[LarsCW]

Why do all McDojo "Grandmasters" wear red?

If you check their other vids the kids all wear t-shirts saying "SWAT TEAM" on the back.

Someone should smack these guys

They wear red so blood spatter won't appear when they mess up with their wallhanger:eek:

[LarsCW]

A friend of me who lives in california, he had put his daughter at a dojo.

He told me some about the dojo and I directly knew it was a McDojo so warned him about it and also told him to keep her out of their sword class, which was an extra.

She was doing well at her classes and enjoying it and because he signed a 6 month contract which he also already paid for he let her stay at the dojo.

Yesterday I spoke to her and she told me complainingly her dad took her out of the class after she broke her foot.

So I explained to her how an instructor which isn't able to perform an exersize controlled and safely shouldn't teach.

I also told her how my sensei had been doing advanced exersizes (tsuki) with my while remaining under controll and even when things go wrong he never hurt me.

After that she told me she understood her dad took her out class and she was happy he did it.

Now she's horsebackriding and swimming like all girls of her age

[Sparv]

horsebackriding

Speaking about safety...

[LarsCW]

She shot the racoon which tore the interiour of her dads car.

Just another funny story.

Her dad had been eating crips on his way home and one fell between the seat. Because it was nice weater and they live way out he didn't close his windows.

A racoon smelled the crip and was looking for food.

In the morning the whole front seat was torn up.

There is a lesson in this:-))

He never told me he got her to take revenge on the racoon, he did tell me he taught her to shoot a gun:-))

[Fred27]

I founded this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UbHqxgDy7Y) today on YouTube.
Quite some familiar faces from the recently closed thread. (http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?p=328886#post328886)

Sorry for hijacking,i thought it's not worthy creating a new thread.

Yeh..The uploader of the video is most certainly an institute member.

[Kendoka_Han]

I doubt I could spend 2 minutes arguing with the "Senior" students on the right or the instructor that what they do is pure essential "bullshido" without getting a deaf ear, so again, if those kids rely upon those to "instruct" them who don't care to wake up, its hard to make them feel differently without their own "awakening".

As thats why I wouldnt mind having senseis / students from proper MA's or JSA's going there, and offering a 'match'. If at all?

>.>.........<.<........

[JCM]

As thats why I wouldnt mind having senseis / students from proper MA's or JSA's going there, and offering a 'match'. If at all?

>.>.........<.<........


That won't achieve anything. What's the point?

[JCM]

That won't achieve anything. What's the point?

Dang it, edit timeout.

That won't achieve anything. What would be the point?.

We do not do stuff to kick ass (there is kickboxing and other arts for that), and in fact I don't think a Dan grade in a JSA is automatically equivalent to having the ability to kicking anyones butt.

Even at that, other budo type MA's are also hardly a silver bullet. Anyone out there with reasonably fast hands or ten pounds on you can knock you out more easily than you may think.All it takes is a second's distraction, even high Dan grades make mistakes.

[Oroshi]

Every time someone quotes Kendoka_Han, I'm reminded why he's on my ignore list.

[Wesley Myers]

I guarantee you this guy is making a HOARD of money off this franchise. You can bet those branch schools also pay him about 15% (minimum) for use of the name on the school and the belt test fees and the equipment sales.

This just makes me sick.

Han, how come you don't go and challenge him. We could watch it on youtube. :)

(that said, there was a time when schools (senior student) would challenge the instructor of new school - not just in North America but in Asia as well - and I'm talking about the '60's through the 90's)

[Mr. T.]

Han, how come you don't go and challenge him. We could watch it on youtube. :)

You want to fight him, get him to a kendo tournament. Duals are illegal, even in the States. :confused:

Knock it off with this challenging BS. You want to make an ass of him, ask for his credentionals and some evidence of it right in front of his students, I'll bet he'll make up some BS excuse, cause he doesn't have any. Mission accomplished :smoker:

Speaking of youtube: How about this clown :D (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=0dHSWXZrOho)

[Fonsz]

See what happens when Aikido folk feel the need to wield a sword.
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=9mVSBSHIxns&feature=related

[nikozamo]

Speaking of youtube: How about this clown :D (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=0dHSWXZrOho)

Nice kanji writing... :D

[Mr. T.]

I found a few new jewels :D

Grandmaster Karriem ABdAllah (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=uFPjXO9wm-U)

Sword master Dobo (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=MNvhN27h0Os)

Ohhh, will they ever learn? NO RED HAKAMA, especially if you are a guy :confused2 (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=C2VDgt4KLTc)

Another karate "master"(including the mandatory mullet) (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=rb5GEq_Q9-Y)

I know, I know, I've got to much time on my hands. Anyway, enjoy the BS :)

[Kenzan]

Sword master Dobo (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=MNvhN27h0Os)


Hmm..

Swordmaster Dobo sure does looks an awful like someone we know.
:confused2
:laugh:

[misskitty]

Grandmaster Karriem ABdAllah (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=uFPjXO9wm-U)

i love the sound track... nobody does it better.


Ohhh, will they ever learn? NO RED HAKAMA, especially if you are a guy :confused2 (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=C2VDgt4KLTc)

is this guys butt hanging out??????

[Kagerou]

The mullet guy was by FAR the best. What was with the shuffle?

[Takezo]

Dang it, edit timeout.

That won't achieve anything. What would be the point?.

We do not do stuff to kick ass (there is kickboxing and other arts for that), and in fact I don't think a Dan grade in a JSA is automatically equivalent to having the ability to kicking anyones butt.

Even at that, other budo type MA's are also hardly a silver bullet. Anyone out there with reasonably fast hands or ten pounds on you can knock you out more easily than you may think.All it takes is a second's distraction, even high Dan grades make mistakes.

Adding my two cents, and basically reiterating what JCM said, It's pretty much illogical (if not illegal) to be making McDojo house calls and issuing challenges. That "age" passed centuries ago and most if not all of our JSA's already earned their merit badges, so I don't see the need for people to prove their JSA's legitimacy by doing such and again contrasts why we carry on their practice/legacy in modern times. Even then, effective training of any kind is no silver bullet (JCM's nice way)for any form of success. Even law-school graduates with years of experience and victories can and do lose a case to novices or circumstance.



http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=MNvhN27h0Os

I rofl'd.

[Fred27]

Grandmaster Karriem ABdAllah (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=uFPjXO9wm-U)

i love the sound track... nobody does it better.



I dunno..the guys credentials seems impeccable:


Grandmaster Karriem ABdAllah was the FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN to give himself a "Red Belt

I mean to give oneself a red belt..Totally amazing! Mas Oyama got nothing on this guy! Mas Oyama fighting bulls is just crap in comparison.:rolleyes::rolleyes: (my eyes are rolling so fast they're starting to come loose)

[Fred27]

Hmm..

Swordmaster Dobo sure does looks an awful like someone we know.
:confused2
:laugh:

? Do tell? :) *curious & starved for enterteinment*

[Wesley Myers]

OMG ...

Yeah, what was with that foot "shuffle" that "Tracy" used ... And the shoes ...

If you go to their website:

http://www.tracyskaratenorthroyalton.com/mark_wroblewski.htm

you can see he has not cut his hair (any different) since 1980 ...

[tango]

OMG ...

Yeah, what was with that foot "shuffle" that "Tracy" used ... And the shoes ...

If you go to their website:

http://www.tracyskaratenorthroyalton.com/mark_wroblewski.htm

you can see he has not cut his hair (any different) since 1980 ...

from the link:

Talk to Mark about joining karate or arranging private guitar lessons for yourself. Click here.

[futabachan]

And don't forget http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=CuYS5LLdLWA&feature=related...

[futabachan]

...or this gem: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=q0TSnpwx45Q&feature=related.

Laser swords?!

[futabachan]

Swordmaster Dobo sure does looks an awful like someone we know.

And think of the incredible force and skill needed to cut through a sheet of paper!

[Takezo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhq5aSnp2rk

Preventing myself from opening my big mouth that might offend an actual way Eishin-Ryu is practiced outside of my own ryu-ha, I'll refrain from an opening statement. However, something just doesn't seem right here, any takers?

[Kagerou]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhq5aSnp2rk

Preventing myself from opening my big mouth that might offend an actual way Eishin-Ryu is practiced outside of my own ryu-ha, I'll refrain from an opening statement. However, something just doesn't seem right here, any takers?

I'm gonna go with the name of the school...and the outfits....and the hall of fame reference....

aside from the mai looking cut the rest don't resemble anything I've been taught. The two person stuff looks more like kenjutsu but Scott's the person to talk to about that.

[Fred27]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhq5aSnp2rk

Preventing myself from opening my big mouth that might offend an actual way Eishin-Ryu is practiced outside of my own ryu-ha, I'll refrain from an opening statement. However, something just doesn't seem right here, any takers?

These individuals, and the headmistress in question has been featured on E-budos "Bad Budo":
http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34210 (http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34210)

Its a long read but very illuminating.

[Kendoka_Han]

That won't achieve anything. What's the point?

Well I believe it would. Show it to the parents of those kids. Show the basis of whats really truth and not.

I wouldnt mind having a special dojo dedicated to bringing down mcdojos....!!

[Kagerou]

Can I get a quick summary...didn't make it past page 4.

[Kendoka_Han]

You want to fight him, get him to a kendo tournament. Duals are illegal, even in the States. :confused:

You guys have taken it into the next step...by a mile!

Am I talking about REAL life threatening duels? or "Training" Duels?

Basically what you said below....


Knock it off with this challenging BS. You want to make an ass of him, ask for his credentionals and some evidence of it right in front of his students, I'll bet he'll make up some BS excuse, cause he doesn't have any. Mission accomplished :smoker:

WONT be enough for ALL to believe the mcdojo sensei is a fraud. So how do we overcome this?

Im pretty sure its quite obvious that any kendo sensei here would (if we are talking on a theoretical, non-emotional sense) literally thrash Grandmaster Bobby LaMattina.

Or are we all too nice and kind, and we dont want to upset peoples feelings?

[Kendoka_Han]

Han, how come you don't go and challenge him. We could watch it on youtube. :)

Sure, even with no Dan rank, i am pretty sure I would take him.....and i am not trying to be sarcastic / ignorant / whatever.

:smoker:

[Fred27]

Can I get a quick summary...didn't make it past page 4.

The moderator decided that the whole thread was bad enough to be placed in "Bad Budo", the hall of fame for McDojo's.

[Bailemor]

And don't forget http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=CuYS5LLdLWA&feature=related...

I watched this and all i could think about was winnie teh poo's tigger, very bouncy. Also was it my imagination or was he wearing teh katana blade down, tachi style in his obi?

[OMEGA429]

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhq5aSnp2rk

Preventing myself from opening my big mouth that might offend an actual way Eishin-Ryu is practiced outside of my own ryu-ha, I'll refrain from an opening statement. However, something just doesn't seem right here, any takers?


that's a MAN baby!!!!

[Mr. T.]

that USED TO BE A MAN baby!!!!

fixed

Damn message was to short, damn it!

[bobdonny]

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhq5aSnp2rk

Love the way she adapted her style to suit the low ceiling in her "dojo"

[Fred27]

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhq5aSnp2rk

Preventing myself from opening my big mouth that might offend an actual way Eishin-Ryu is practiced outside of my own ryu-ha, I'll refrain from an opening statement. However, something just doesn't seem right here, any takers?


that's a MAN baby!!!!

Thats what I heard too..But it is also totally irrelevant in a bad budo discussion. Tis budo, not sexual/gender orientation thats on the agenda.

[jakku-san]

In reference to eishin ryu i seen this video on youtube saying eishin ryu and it didnt look like and ryu let alone eishin:P

[LarsCW]

...or this gem: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=q0TSnpwx45Q&feature=related.

Laser swords?!

That's good harmless fun:-))

It would be cool to have something like this going on in the dojo just dim the lights and have everyone going around with those bashing each other:-))

[futabachan]

That's good harmless fun:-))

It would be cool to have something like this going on in the dojo just dim the lights and have everyone going around with those bashing each other:-))

There was actually a big event here last fall where a big group of the public got together with fluorescent cardboard tubes and whacked away at each other until all the tubes broke. It was done as a sort-of-performance-art thing, not as anything connected to any martial art.

[LarsCW]

That's humour.

Just as a dojo buy alot of these things get people interested in the matial art over for such event. Have iaido and kendo people together.

Just have a load of fun together:-))

Totally hilarious

Ofcourse don't forget the beer

[jjcruiser]

I think it's curious that it seems from my limited exposure that Iaido is more frequently corrupted and "McDojo-ized" than Kendo. I've seen more than I can count of these mcdojo vids on youtube or here for people practicing "[insert made up name] ryu" Iaido/jutsu that is not legitimate, but very, very few of those for Kendo. In fact, the only ones I have seen for Kendo are some veiled Kumdo criticism (which isn't even the same thing) and a group of Brazilians who seem to charge too much money for their Kendo. Maybe I'm missing a bunch, though.

The question I have is, assuming that's correct: why do you think this is? Is it because Kendo has competitions with large world-wide tournaments? Because of the world-wide IKF/AJKF standardization? General lack of competing schools? Is there something about Iaido itself?

I don't know the answer. I've never even seen Iaido in person. So I'm not trying to say anything negative about anyone. I just think it's odd.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Sharp swords are sexy. Lots easier to sell wannabes on that aspect.