The most hurting unprotected or protected area [Archive]

pchen911

18th November 2003, 01:53 AM

An ill time kote which landed the tip of the shinai right through the tare... and jabbed between my inner thigh (nanometers below the zone)..... It left me bleeding and bruised and not being able to walk right for days.

Thank god for tightie whities and that I was not doing Freedom Kendo at that time.

Miyu

18th November 2003, 02:53 AM

I was once hit on my right tricep when I was raising up my shinai so someone could hit a dou strike. Needless to say, they missed and it was bruised for at least a week. That was the only time I ever yelled out in pain during practice or a match. :cry:

mystic_kendoka

18th November 2003, 03:58 AM

u guys, are wimps... we were doin nihon kata once (with bokutos of course!) and my 'opponent/partner' tripped on his hakama, and the kensen of his bokuto with right on the 'zone' and this was before i had any bogu or even proper hakama and keikogi on! all i had on was some loose tracksuit pants...

Karaken

18th November 2003, 07:30 AM

u guys, are wimps... .

Yeah, I thought so too till I got hit by missed Kote ( or was it missed do ? ) hitting the tip of my left thumb. I was speechless for minutes and it's still blue after two full weeks. Better be careful doing Keiko with 250 lbs beginner. I didn't think that angle was possible.

Center

pchen911

18th November 2003, 07:39 AM

Yeah, I thought so too till I got hit by missed Kote ( or was it missed do ? ) hitting the tip of my left thumb. I was speechless for minutes and it's still blue after two full weeks. Better be careful doing Keiko with 250 lbs beginner. I didn't think that angle was possible.

Center

Oh no, you reminded me of a good one....

The tip of my left thumb also got hit..... then blood pooled up underneath the fingernails and coagulated until the fingernail finally grew out.... and half of the nail fell off after that!!

Fun stuff.

nodachi

18th November 2003, 10:54 AM

It's not the most hurting but it's not fun having that guy who doesn't groom his toe nails and ends up stabbing your feet with his ravor claws in the middle of practice. Most of us are considerate about this but for the times that someone forgets, ouch...

Yzakj

18th November 2003, 01:05 PM

I don't see how it is possible to get hit on your left thumb, unless you were holding up the shinai, and for some reason the beginner went for men, or high kote. Perhaps you can give some details on how you got such an injury, so we can avoid an ill fate such as yours. Good point on the guys with long toenails too, sometimes I can feel it almost going in my feet, its scary. The missed do hits, I hope no one is showing the pain, because you shouldn't show it unless its really serious.
I hate missing those do hits too though, you feel bad if you ever hit above or below, but even worse, is 'bows. Yup don't hit them 'bows.

qpuppy

18th November 2003, 05:37 PM

OOOO.... most painful was at this years Australia National Championship where at the end of the comp, we had the chance to keiko with some of the visiting japanese 8th and 7th dan senseis....
the doh... it was a big "OUCH~~~" out of the 3 mins keiko with him, he was able to do a kaeshi-do almost everytime I went for his men..... but yeah.. there was (from what i can remember) there was about 5 times the doh hit (out of.. god knows how many doh he hit me) missed... MAN WAS I IN PAIN :|... yet I couldnt show it.. after all that... there was a really dark purple bruise (but wasnt big) left on me for about almost 3 weeks... but yeah.. Love every minute of the keiko though... :D

Eldritch Knight

18th November 2003, 09:31 PM

When i was in joudan, doing jigeiko against this other joudan player (a big guy - 6'5", 200 something lbs) because he was stronger than me and was able to pull off koteuchi faster, he managed to barrage my left kote with so many hits that it was virtually impossible for me to respond effectively. My entire hand and upper forearm swelled so much that the kote became tight. My knuckles and fingers were nearly black from the bruising, and it was dark blue all the way down my forearm. I could barely hold a grip on anything, but since the club I trained with is insane, they just had me wrap it with sports' tape and come back after 2 days (it was only partly healed, and it was around a month before I had fully recovered). It put me in a dire position too, because that guy was the only other player in my club who knew joudan, so I ended up building my speed from then on out.

Miravil

18th November 2003, 10:19 PM

Oh no, you reminded me of a good one....

The tip of my left thumb also got hit..... then blood pooled up underneath the fingernails and coagulated until the fingernail finally grew out.... and half of the nail fell off after that!!

Fun stuff.

Try having someone stomp onto you toe. A player stomp on my big toe when we were having demonstration on stage and I have to hang on to it as there are spectators.... The toe turn purple right away. One week later while training, someone stomp on the same toe again and my toe nail just 'died' (cried the hell out of me). I have to get the toe nail surgically removed as it was infected.

Besides that, I have many insane opponents that just hit anything that comes along the brutal way. Sometimes I wonder how am I able to hang on all this while????

Oooo.... almost forgot about one very sad but funny incident. I was practicing kata with someone my level. We were doing kata no. 1 where I'm the uchidachi. She wacked me right at the head in full force with her bokuto thinking that she is practicing KEIKO!!! My eyes went blank and nearly fainted right away, water coming out from my eyes and nose (not crying, too painful to even cry). I regreted that I didn't go to the hospital for check-up. Now hoping there isn't anything wrong with my brain....

mystic_kendoka

18th November 2003, 11:55 PM

...do a kaeshi-do almost... btw wat is a kaeshi do? is that 2 do's one on each side?

Neil Gendzwill

19th November 2003, 12:15 AM

btw wat is a kaeshi do?

Kaeshi-waza involves blocking an incoming cut with your shinai, then use a rotating motion to cut the opponent after the block. Different from suriagi waza in that it's a block rather than a slide (more direct content) and the resulting cut has more of an arc than the usual straight up and down.

Kaeshi-doh usually refers to men-kaeshi-doh (men attack, block using kaeshi-waza, then attack doh).

emitbrownne

19th November 2003, 12:24 AM

Oh no, you reminded me of a good one....

The tip of my left thumb also got hit..... then blood pooled up underneath the fingernails and coagulated until the fingernail finally grew out.... and half of the nail fell off after that!!

Fun stuff.
Whoo hoo bloodied thumbs....
Been there..
I've had a new guy try and be adventurous and because he was not familiar with the concept of Kote cutting he did some damage.
He told me afterwards "I wanted to keep centre, and then knock your shinai clear... I went for the Kote cut (my left arm), and tried for men"

Harai-thumb(supposed to be my left kote)-side of throat..

The harai was quite nice though :)

pchen911

19th November 2003, 03:02 AM

....She wacked me right at the head in full force with her bokuto thinking that she is practicing KEIKO!!! My eyes went blank and nearly fainted right away, water coming out from my eyes and nose (not crying, too painful to even cry). I regreted that I didn't go to the hospital for check-up. Now hoping there isn't anything wrong with my brain....

ROFLMAO.....OMG..... That is unbelievable!!

Very funny, the way you tell the story.... Though I am sure that this is very dangerous but I cannot help laughing when I read it!

Guess your were very lucky (unlucky?) in a way... I read that Musashi cracked the skulls and killed many of his opponents with a bokuto that way.

So what did she say after that??

pchen911

19th November 2003, 03:14 AM

I don't see how it is possible to get hit on your left thumb, unless you were holding up the shinai, and for some reason the beginner went for men, or high kote. Perhaps you can give some details on how you got such an injury, so we can avoid an ill fate such as yours.

You guessed it correctly!!

It happened not long after I started kendo... about a year after I started. Both of us were pretty much beginners and used very big motions for everything. I was much slower at that time too.... During keiko, we both went for big men and by the time the other persons shinai hit my thumb, my shinai and hands were still right over my head.

As for avoiding the same ill fate.... well, I don't want to say "dont do big men" or "don't do ai-men"... maybe just "don't be as slow as I was"

Shazzanzzz

19th November 2003, 03:17 AM

Sir Percy

19th November 2003, 07:02 AM

Oh no, you reminded me of a good one....

The tip of my left thumb also got hit..... then blood pooled up underneath the fingernails and coagulated until the fingernail finally grew out.... and half of the nail fell off after that!!

Fun stuff.

Only been at it for about a year but took a missed tsuki thrust on my right biceps (no aim at all) and the swelling is only now (3 weeks later) starting to go down. Thought I had ruptured it for a minute.

tango

19th November 2003, 07:37 AM

Old Warrior

19th November 2003, 10:15 AM

Neil Gendzwill

19th November 2003, 11:27 AM

We used to have a couple of real big boys in our dojo (one guy was 6'10" and must have been 260 lbs or more). I had the bad habit at the time of turning my body during taiatari and several times had my elbow squished between the colliding doh-dai. Ow. I also used to have a really bad habit of coming in for men with my chin up, and took a tsuki straight to the larynx. And of course I've had my thumb nailed a bunch of times, although not too seriously (no lost nails or anything).

aru-ma

19th November 2003, 11:53 AM

here's some of the few painfull ones I've received, even thinking about it makes me cringe

- left thumb on the mid joint (I can still fee it after 1 1/2 months)
- missed do on my thigh
- tsuki on the groin
- missed do and hits the front part of my tare head on, felt like I had my second castration :cry:

Karaken

19th November 2003, 11:53 AM

I don't know why people bitch about getting hit above the do all the time during ji-keiko. I mean, if they missed high, it means your do was open, they just missed it. You should think more about how he got the chance to try for the do instead of accusing the person of missing the do. More often than not, i think the person who got hurt is the one at fault.

Let me hit your left arm while your hitting my men, let me swipe your armpit when you do hiki men, let me swipe left side of your men split second after your hit my kote.. Point is if people just swing their shinai hard without stopping or even aiming, there aren't whole lot you can do unless you're just doing 100% blocking. Well, that isn't the way we learn, is it? The point is when we get hurt, normally it's not becasue there was an opening - we get hit anyway.

Center is safe - if you stay

Shazzanzzz

19th November 2003, 01:25 PM

Let me hit your left arm while your hitting my men, let me swipe your armpit when you do hiki men, let me swipe left side of your men split second after your hit my kote.. Point is if people just swing their shinai hard without stopping or even aiming, there aren't whole lot you can do unless you're just doing 100% blocking. Well, that isn't the way we learn, is it? The point is when we get hurt, normally it's not becasue there was an opening - we get hit anyway.

Center is safe - if you stay

well, if the person is swinging their shinai hard without stopping or even aiming, they shouldn't be in a bogu doing ji-keiko then should they?

Why would people hit the left side of my men after i do a kote? I would just go straight in into him afterwards. I have been hit above the do many times, but the other ones you talked about has never happened to me. But, times i get hit above the do is because they're open, if it wasn't, they can't get me there. That's all I'm trying to say.

I've been stabbed in my arm and chest before while doing a men and the guy going for kote, but they never injured me too much. I used to get hurt a lot more when i first started, but these days, I almost never get hit in bad places. I don't block that mcuh either, I'm the one attacking most of the time.

Have to give credit to people i practice with too for me not getting hurt.

Kiki

19th November 2003, 04:51 PM

I don't see how it is possible to get hit on your left thumb, unless you were holding up the shinai, and for some reason the beginner went for men, or high kote.

Mutual do - and my jikeiko mate was swing baseball style. This one sent me in for an x-ray later that week. However, mutual men is how it usually happens to me. Seems to happen in spells - Murphy's Law? Karma? Just when it's getting better WHACK.
**
Hyperextend big toe from being stepped on during kirikaishi. Still dicey enough to cause a limp after practice or cold mornings; been over a year.

Small trades for the joy of playing kendo.

pchen911

20th November 2003, 07:12 AM

"1. the dreaded thumbnail smack"

I do nito and just (tonight) took a full big men on my left thumb as I blocked with the shoto. The nail is black, the finger is pulsating with pain and I am quite unhappy. Saturday is my first competition and I am to be the only kyu member on a team that includes my teacher. Any suggestions to speed up the healing. Right now I'm basically one handed.

Hey! I didn't know that Kyu levels can do nito!

I know the feeling you are going through! Unfortunately, I don't think there is a quick cure.... just tape that purple thumb up really good and go!

If your nail is as black as mine was, it will probably fall out after a while like mine did.

Good luck at your competition!

Kiki

20th November 2003, 03:40 PM

I don't know why people bitch about getting hit above the do all the time during ji-keiko....More often than not, i think the person who got hurt is the one at fault.

At least from what I have seem most of the really bad missed do happen during kihon geiko. Especialy with less experienced players who also tend to hit rather than cut.

qpuppy

20th November 2003, 05:42 PM

well, if the person is swinging their shinai hard without stopping or even aiming, they shouldn't be in a bogu doing ji-keiko then should they?

Why would people hit the left side of my men after i do a kote? I would just go straight in into him afterwards. I have been hit above the do many times, but the other ones you talked about has never happened to me. But, times i get hit above the do is because they're open, if it wasn't, they can't get me there. That's all I'm trying to say.

I've been stabbed in my arm and chest before while doing a men and the guy going for kote, but they never injured me too much. I used to get hurt a lot more when i first started, but these days, I almost never get hit in bad places. I don't block that mcuh either, I'm the one attacking most of the time.

Have to give credit to people i practice with too for me not getting hurt.

I understand what you mean, but have you ever gone against someone who is much stronger, and much faster than you.... when you go for a men... (especially japanese senseis - they love counting with kaeshi-doh, or a suriage men), how would you know what they will do.... counter with a Men, Kote, or a do? How would you know? Especially when you jikeiko with a 8th dan sensei.. (8th dans senseis doesnt mean they dont miss hits!!!) with people like them, how do expect to react to block their hits? also... I'm pretty sure everyone has somehow have made a miss doh cut some time in their kendo life...

qpuppy

20th November 2003, 05:52 PM

it's impossible that no one has NEVER NOT miss a doh cut.....

tango

20th November 2003, 06:16 PM

well, if the person is swinging their shinai hard without stopping or even aiming, they shouldn't be in a bogu doing ji-keiko then should they?

Why would people hit the left side of my men after i do a kote?

I've seen all KINDS of craziness when putting someone in full bogu for the first time. A lot of the training basics seem to go right out the window! haha..

Sometimes, when I get in front of someone who's doing ji-geiko for the first time, I might just tell them, "If you miss my doh just ONCE MORE, I will destroy you." ... and then wink at em or somethin...

Missing the target is just something that happens in kendo. Anyway, this thread was supposed to be about what the more painful places are to receive a hit.. not WHY or HOW we get hit..

so I'll shut up now..
:)

Miravil

20th November 2003, 09:59 PM

ROFLMAO.....OMG..... That is unbelievable!!

Very funny, the way you tell the story.... Though I am sure that this is very dangerous but I cannot help laughing when I read it!

Guess your were very lucky (unlucky?) in a way... I read that Musashi cracked the skulls and killed many of his opponents with a bokuto that way.

So what did she say after that??

Will you believe it that while I was in pain, I actually laughing too? I just can't believe that she could make such a big mistake. She did try to apologise, but she didn't mean it as she was thinking this as a joke. I was filled with pain, anger and laugh.... Asked her why she did that, she said that she has forgotten that we are practising kata. :confused2

Since then, I stayed away from her. And thanks to her, I was suffering side effects of fear when practising kata #1.

Oh, may I ask, what is ROFLMAO?

Miravil

20th November 2003, 10:09 PM

I don't know why people bitch about getting hit above the do all the time during ji-keiko. I mean, if they missed high, it means your do was open, they just missed it. You should think more about how he got the chance to try for the do instead of accusing the person of missing the do. More often than not, i think the person who got hurt is the one at fault.

I don't fully agree on that as I've encountered some players who wants to show offs and start wacking without considering whether they are doing it right or not. There is this case of a senior who wants to show off a hiki men and ended up hitting my ear. I just stood there in fear as I lost hearing for about 5 seconds.

About missing do, I don't blame those who missed and hit my ribs as some of my opponent are quite tall. But I don't understand why most of them hitting my hips and tight. I frequently get bruised in those area.

LNGUYEN

20th November 2003, 10:14 PM

But I don't understand why most of them hitting my hips and tight. I frequently get bruised in those area.

I am sorry but if you are a girl, then probably you have a wonderful tigh and they, the evil, can not take their eyes off it. :ditsy:

Miravil

20th November 2003, 10:25 PM

Mutual do - and my jikeiko mate was swing baseball style. This one sent me in for an x-ray later that week.

I hope nothing bad happened, what was the result?

Talking about baseball 'do' style, I used to do that when I was in kyu. A girl came to me and told me so. With that, I took some time and look at her practice so maybe I can learn from her. Sadly, she was doing the same only that her baseball wacking is from bottom (like really hitting the ball to fly high) and she got stoped by the sensei.... talking about teaching....tsk tsk tsk....

Miravil

20th November 2003, 10:30 PM

I am sorry but if you are a girl, then probably you have a wonderful tigh and they, the evil, can not take their eyes off it. :ditsy:

from wearing hakama?....lol

emitbrownne

20th November 2003, 11:03 PM

About missing do, I don't blame those who missed and hit my ribs as some of my opponent are quite tall. But I don't understand why most of them hitting my hips and tight. I frequently get bruised in those area.
As a tall person I can say that I often hit low on Do cuts as opposed to high (except last night... sorry Sensei :D ).
I think its done because we are trying too hard not to hit high, and therefore hit too low.

sorry I shouldnt speak for all tall people..

Shazzanzzz

20th November 2003, 11:40 PM

I understand what you mean, but have you ever gone against someone who is much stronger, and much faster than you.... when you go for a men... (especially japanese senseis - they love counting with kaeshi-doh, or a suriage men), how would you know what they will do.... counter with a Men, Kote, or a do? How would you know? Especially when you jikeiko with a 8th dan sensei.. (8th dans senseis doesnt mean they dont miss hits!!!) with people like them, how do expect to react to block their hits? also... I'm pretty sure everyone has somehow have made a miss doh cut some time in their kendo life...

Haha, I've had my shared of missed dos, i feel bad when i do miss, because i've gotten hit there myslef plenty times too.

Of course i never know what the other person is gonna do. But I don't think it really matters in the sense of getting injuries from that.

I made the original post because sometimes people do weird stuff to avoid the strikes and blame the guy doing the cut for hurting them. Like, tilting the head to the side, using elbow to block the do... It's their choice to do that, but, just don't blame someone else if you get hurt because you did that. And I guess for the do, sometimes you can't help it, when they're countering, but if they didn't see your men coming the whole way, they still can't do the kaeshi do.

pchen911

21st November 2003, 02:45 AM

Oh, may I ask, what is ROFLMAO?

That would be "Rolling On the Floor Laughing My Ass Off"

samurai999

21st November 2003, 03:00 AM

The most painful unprotected/protected area I got hit on was my collarbone, armpit and on the side of my throat from ill-directed tsukis. This was from a (then) 5dan sensei when training for Nationals.

My throat was sore for about a week.

Tim

Craig Jones

21st November 2003, 10:41 AM

ROFLMAO.....OMG..... That is unbelievable!!

Very funny, the way you tell the story.... Though I am sure that this is very dangerous but I cannot help laughing when I read it!

Guess your were very lucky (unlucky?) in a way... I read that Musashi cracked the skulls and killed many of his opponents with a bokuto that way.

So what did she say after that??

I cant help to laugh at this also, becasue it reminds me of a time I was practicing Kata with one of my sempai. I did not have a bokuto yet, which was a good thing because as i swung men in the first kata (I was shidachi), I whacked him right in the center of his head. My kia went like this, "TOOOO-Opps". Then his eyes opened really huge. He started to act like he was in pain and tried to make be feel very guilty (which I did), but he turned out to be all ok and was just bugging me. For a long time after he would not let me forget that i hit him... I will never forget the face he made when i hit him :P

Craig Jones

21st November 2003, 10:44 AM

from wearing hakama?....lol

never underestimate the power of nice thighs.. lol

Miravil

27th November 2003, 05:31 PM

never underestimate the power of nice thighs.. lol

lol :laugh:

Shiro

27th November 2003, 08:36 PM

Kaeshi-waza involves blocking an incoming cut with your shinai, then use a rotating motion to cut the opponent after the block. Different from suriagi waza in that it's a block rather than a slide (more direct content) and the resulting cut has more of an arc than the usual straight up and down.

Kaeshi-doh usually refers to men-kaeshi-doh (men attack, block using kaeshi-waza, then attack doh).

I just LOVE kaeshi-do! :D Though mine isn't perfect, but I'm working on it... :p

mystic_kendoka

28th November 2003, 02:38 AM

what happens if u miss target it a shiai, and the opponent isnt able to continue the game? is there a rematch or does the opponent get the advantage?

Koushinkuma

11th December 2003, 01:33 PM

This isn't just one hit, but I used to come home with bruises up and down my arms...we had one guy that was a little overzealous...almost made me invest in one of those protector thingies from ebogu. My wife almost ordered me to stop doing kendo.

JSchmidt

11th December 2003, 05:43 PM

"8th dans senseis doesnt mean they dont miss hits"

I remember 1 particular 8th dan at a seminar...in jigeiko, the first 4-5 times you went to attack, he would do kaeshi-armpit and keep doing it until you actually showed the pain on your face/body expression. He did that to several of us and I asked one of our Japanese seniors why the 8th dan would do that and he said that 'it was probably because he liked our kendo'...I'm just glad he didnt hate my kendo!!!
As for tsuki's, the worst ones are the one that hits just below the collarbone...far worse than the hickey-leaving neck burners.

Jakob

Eldritch Knight

12th December 2003, 12:06 PM

I do joudan, so anything to the armpit sucks, but worst is a missed kote that strikes the fingertips. I was once going joudan vs. joudan with this really big guy who went for my hidari kote, but bashed my fingers right along the second joints. That was fine, but this guy ended up hitting me in the same place about 4 more times during the course of the practice. After it was over, my fingers and knuckles had swelled so much that my kote was actually a tight squeeze. They were black and blue all over and I couldn't do kendo for a week.

kanyil

8th December 2004, 04:35 PM

During one jigeiko session I wrongly believed that I had the centerline, and leaped in for a men only to find that my sensei was a lot quicker, and had a much stronger chudan no kamae than I thought. My mid-flight 80kg+ body was brought to a dead stop in mid air by a tsuki to my right chest which landed smack on the mune.

The result of that injury was that I could only take quarter-breathes and make slow movements. Any jerky movements will bring excruciating pain. It took me 6 weeks to recover from that mune tsuki, but except for the first week I managed to go to every practice with modifications to my regular kendo.

Obviously you should first let the sensei know that you are under some injury, and do kendo in accordance with your injury. My "injured kendo" was very reliant on footwork, as I would repeated enter and leave people's perceived maai and then move in to strike men when their kamae opens up.

JByrd

15th December 2004, 07:03 AM

I had the bad habit at the time of turning my body during taiatari... (snip!)
I was exhausted from kakari-geiko last Friday night and pulled that foolish move on Koike Sensei. I think I must have been completely horizontal in the air before I slammed into the floor. He was on me so fast I didn't have time to say "ouch," I had to fend off blows while trying to stand up.

I really have to stop doing that, no matter how tired I get. My right elbow (smashed in the collision, and then pounded on the floor) is still purple, but the feeling of being spiritually de-pantsed will probably take longer to heal. :wink:

Eiliries

16th December 2004, 06:38 AM

-missed do to the elbow accompanied by frightening numbness

-Missed do to the hip, I couldn't feel it at the time, but I could hardly walk the next day

toenail gashes

AkuSokuZan

17th December 2004, 12:55 PM

I myself havn' been in many fritening injuries, but in my 2 yrs of kendo(almost!!) i have experienced the usual missed dos, tumbs hits, etc. I remember one thing that i thought would have been excrutiating pain. A kendoka from the US came to canada for the Steveston Taikai and when the other person steped on his foot the big teonail came off cleanly. Funny thing was, he sliped it in his zekken probably for a souvenir...

abunaidesu

19th December 2004, 04:38 PM

The best are the missed tsukis to the clavicle or the jugular notch sternum. I also quite enjoy newbies striking do and squishing the side of my pecs into my doh when they hit to high. Then there is the lovely time where you deflect your opponents shinai, and instead of going to the side, it goes down. The tare sometimes does not do a very good job of protecting the most important areas for gentlemen kendoka.

Paburo

20th December 2004, 09:21 AM

not debating why people get hit in these unprotected areas, the more painful ones i've experienced are (in no particular order):

1. the dreaded thumbnail smack
2. tsuki to the armpit
3. tsuki to the neck (one left a 6-inch burn thing that stayed for about 3 months on my neck)
4. missed do ... now, i don't mean just a regular missed do.. that smarts for about 2 or 3 minutes and goes away (with me).. i'm talking about a missed do that swipes across a missed area.. like a reaaaal nice "friction hit" vs. a "thud" into the ribs..
5. missed do to the elbow.

as for thumbnails, i used to get them a lot when i first started kendo. ...probably because i was trying to block too much and even then, blocking incorrectly. i haven't been hit on the thumbnail in a long, long time (thankfully).

but have you experienced ALL OF THEM, in less than an hour? i had... on the last class.

my upper chest and neck are full of hickeys from the several missed tsukis, right now i look as if i had some really disgusting skin disease of red spots. my right arm is completely marked from the nails and fingers to the elbow from missed kote and dou (the arm holding the shoto).

not to mention the nasty blister i got on my left palm from doing katate-only all week.

as a newbie, this is a lesson i will never forget:

nitôryû. is. pain.

Lloromannic

20th December 2004, 10:57 AM

On my last training I was on the recieving side of two badly misplaced hits
Do just above the knee and Tsuki to the kneecap. I am much taller than the othert person (for some 35cm) and she apparenntly thought the best way to make up for it was using gedan.

nalogg

23rd December 2004, 02:13 AM

a few weeks ago i was in line for the motodachi behind a particularly scatterbrained kendoka at my dojo.

He goes off into his own little world sometimes and likes to practice his men while he stares distantly into the floor in front of him.

needless to say he brought his backswing back too far (not the usual 110 degrees above your head, but all the way back to 180) and he hit me square in the head.

the funny thing is, he still does it.. he's got no perception of his surroundings.

He did it once again and i held up the tsuka of my shinai for him to hit on the backswing, and then when he turns around i just look away and pretend nothing happened... trying to embarrass him out of the habit.

KOMA

30th December 2004, 01:13 PM

I know what your talking about. :old_man:

a few weeks ago i was in line for the motodachi behind a particularly scatterbrained kendoka at my dojo.

He goes off into his own little world sometimes and likes to practice his men while he stares distantly into the floor in front of him.

needless to say he brought his backswing back too far (not the usual 110 degrees above your head, but all the way back to 180) and he hit me square in the head.

the funny thing is, he still does it.. he's got no perception of his surroundings.

He did it once again and i held up the tsuka of my shinai for him to hit on the backswing, and then when he turns around i just look away and pretend nothing happened... trying to embarrass him out of the habit.

tanueirin

30th December 2004, 02:28 PM

-missed do to the elbow accompanied by frightening numbness

I was at a dinner party with someone who hit their elbow on the table. He immediately passed out and started snoring loudly. We thought he was just being silly. Then he started having a fit (and not just any fit but a man strapped to the electric chair kind of fit, bulging eyes and everything :eek: ). We got him to the floor in the recovery position and he came round by the time the ambulance got there.

So now when I get hit on the elbow by a missed do, I think "Crap! Please don't let me pass out in front of everyone!".

NorthernKendoka

1st January 2005, 01:09 AM

My most painful memory was when my oponent hit me right at that littele bony lump at the elbow, I almost dropped my shinai. Then he hit it twice more to teach me that you shouldn't show pain in kendo.

mystic_kendoka

1st January 2005, 01:13 AM

hit his privates and see if he shows any pain, if he does, hit it a couple of times more, if he doesn't get out your bokuto...

nalogg

4th January 2005, 04:33 AM

I know what your talking about. :old_man:HAHA do you know the guy i was talking about?
in fact you were the motodachi we were waiting for!
people are always ducking out of the way when they're lined up behind him.

KOMA

4th January 2005, 10:13 AM

let you hav my men when you stand behind him, or in the area around him

HAHA do you know the guy i was talking about?
in fact you were the motodachi we were waiting for!
people are always ducking out of the way when they're lined up behind him.

Koki

4th January 2005, 09:27 PM

One time i was doing jikeiko with my senpai. He went for the tsuki. The tip of his shinai, instead of ending up at my tsuki, decides to go deep and when up my mask to my left ear. Then he pulled it out. Gosh, the feeling of bamboo scratching against your flesh was awful. I felt like my ear was cut off. I dropped my shinai. He asked " are you ok? " . I said " I think you cut off my ear" ... lol... of course, he didn't cut off my ear. And I'm sure some of your injuries would be more painful than mine. However, that was the only time i felt so scared. I had never felt that scared in my entired life.

Gosh, fear is awful. It rubs salt to the wound, you know.

Louis X

4th January 2005, 10:25 PM

Surprisingly, the most painful for me are the Kote :D All the rest (do too high or too low, both my hips are blue, men on the side) is ok. It doesn't really hurt me. But he kote, when begin... You give them like candys for Halloween. But god, it hurts ! :ko:

The other thing is that most of the time, when we work in lines, it's people from another line who hit me ! lol

EzzzE

8th April 2005, 01:41 AM

hm just had a nice incident with my right thumb. in keiko we were both waiting for a chance, and both decided to het men, only i was slower, and suddenly my thumb hurt like hell... had bent half of the thumbnail and now it is nice and blue and hurts like hell...*gG*

Dave Fowler

8th April 2005, 07:44 AM

HA I can top all of that... we once had some gal visit who said she did 'kumdo' so we let her join in the class and have a go at it. Well if this is what 'kumdo' is like.....

Anyways she proceeds to start wailing on my legs, and i'm not talking about missing doh, rather she is deliberately hitting me on the thigh and knees. Ok not to bad so far right... next I go for a nice men and as i'm going through she turns around and swings this baseball like swing at my doh, the only problem is i'm still going though and she wails me right across the back... Needless to say that was the last time I practiced with her. :-(

Lloromannic

8th April 2005, 02:49 PM

I think dignity and pride are what hurts the most.
Nothing has hurt me so much as going into sonkyo and hearing a loud ripping sound as my underwear is torn apart. Especially when the others hear it too.

GoldenShinai

9th April 2005, 06:40 AM

wow.....this reminds me of i reely bad one......my hakama was way to long on me, so i decided to "saftey" pin them.....well, they arent soo safe after all. It came loose and i kinda....steped on it....it went almost all the way through my foot and i started bleeding, and the fight went on for another 3 mins...

Eiliries

11th April 2005, 03:17 PM