some more vocab queries...

[mystic_kendoka]

i'd just like to know what taitari and waza is?
-thanks

[x3r0]

taitari is when you sort of clash with your oppenent after a strike (usually men) and bounce back usually performing another strike (ex: men taitari kote)

waza is basically a technique used offensivly or as a counter measure (ex hitting ur oppoenents shinai to gain control of the center then striking men, or as your oppenets shinai comes down for a men, u block and counter with a do)

of course its easier said than done. there are proper ways of executing each waza, and needs quite a bit of practice till u start using them instinctivly

[Nanbanjin]

taitari is when you sort of clash with your oppenent after a strike (usually men) and bounce back usually performing another strike (ex: men taitari kote)

waza is basically a technique used offensivly or as a counter measure (ex hitting ur oppoenents shinai to gain control of the center then striking men, or as your oppenets shinai comes down for a men, u block and counter with a do)

of course its easier said than done. there are proper ways of executing each waza, and needs quite a bit of practice till u start using them instinctivly

Strictly speaking that should be "taiatari" or "tai-atari"

"tai" means "body" and "atari" is from the verb "ataru" which means "to clash".
So literally "taiatari" means "clashing bodies".
If your OS supports Japanese characters, "tai" is 体 and "atari" is 当たり, though there may be some differing opinions regarding this.

"Waza" means "technique". Even "men" is a "waza".
For example your "tokui-waza" is your "favourite technique" and this could be men, do, kote, hiki-men, nuki-do, or whatever.
The kanji for "waza" is 技.

[Nanbanjin]

Strictly speaking that should be "taiatari" or "tai-atari"

"tai" means "body" and "atari" is from the verb "ataru" which means "to clash".
So literally "taiatari" means "clashing bodies".
If your OS supports Japanese characters, "tai" is 体 and "atari" is 当たり, though there may be some differing opinions regarding this.

"Waza" means "technique". Even "men" is a "waza".
For example your "tokui-waza" is your "favourite technique" and this could be men, do, kote, hiki-men, nuki-do, or whatever.
The kanji for "waza" is 技.

Also, a technique used while moving backwards is a "hiki-waza" (引き技）
Hiki-waza do not necessarily have to involve tai-atari. They can also be performed from truba-zariai.
Hitting your opponent's kote while moving backwards after taiatari could be described as "tai-atari-hiki-kote".
Usually the strike before the taiatari would also be included. e.g. "men-tai-atari-hiki-kote"

[Nanbanjin]

Also, a technique used while moving backwards is a "hiki-waza" (引き技）
Hiki-waza do not necessarily have to involve tai-atari. They can also be performed from truba-zariai.
Hitting your opponent's kote while moving backwards after taiatari could be described as "tai-atari-hiki-kote".
Usually the strike before the taiatari would also be included. e.g. "men-tai-atari-hiki-kote"

Sorry, strictly speaking the k in kote would be softened to a g to give hiki-gote, not hiki-kote.

[Hai_hai]

i'd just like to know what taitari and waza is?
-thanks
Tai-atari is when you attack, and then run into your opponent with your gloves hitting your opponent's gloves.

Waza is a phrase meaning "What's up?"

[mystic_kendoka]

i am confident in saying that i can safely ignore the above comment...

also i am quite sure that hai_hai and yowai are the same person... yowai has stopped posting and hai_hai has taken his place...

[Hai_hai]

i am confident in saying that i can safely ignore the above comment...

also i am quite sure that hai_hai and yowai are the same person... yowai has stopped posting and hai_hai has taken his place...

There is nothing safe. Don't ever forget that.

If I were yowai, would I really be accomplishing anything.

[mystic_kendoka]

nop, but then u might not know that...

[Hai_hai]

If you don't know what tai-atari and waza are, you need to hang up your bogu and take up tap dancing.

[mystic_kendoka]

er hem.. well i do now..

[Hai_hai]

er hem.. well i do now..

I guess that makes you an eighth dan kendo player.

[ALI G]

Tai-atari is when you attack, and then run into your opponent with your gloves hitting your opponent's gloves.

Dey R Called Kotez not glovez....moron....

[Danny Boy]

Tai-atari is when you attack, and then run into your opponent with your gloves hitting your opponent's gloves.

Waza is a phrase meaning "What's up?"


In Kendo context, tai-atari is when you hit the oponent with your body with the intent to shock/break their spirit (& and if you're evil, their body). It usually ends up with one person lying on their bottom.

Waza : techniques. "Special" movements and attacks that will allow you to break enemy's kamae and let you get in to score a hit or allow you to counter-attack etc.

Plz correct me anyone if im wrong.

[Nanbanjin]

In Kendo context, tai-atari is when you hit the oponent with your body with the intent to shock/break their spirit (& and if you're evil, their body). It usually ends up with one person lying on their bottom.

Waza : techniques. "Special" movements and attacks that will allow you to break enemy's kamae and let you get in to score a hit or allow you to counter-attack etc.

Plz correct me anyone if im wrong.

tai-atari ( 体当たり ） means "body clash" nothing more nothing less. This should be done naturally WITHOUT trying to shock your opponent. Tai-atari is simply what happens if your opponent does not move out of the way after you have hit. If you run into them naturally they will be shocked. Any extra effort in trying to knock your opponent over is wasted effort.

waza is "techniques" and this does not need to be special though it can be.
A men cut is "basics" at the same time as being a "technique" as it is in English.
So men is kihon ( 基本 ) and waza ( 技 ) at the same time.
For the dictionary definition refer to http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/search.php?MT=%B5%BB&kind=je&mode=0&base=1&row=7

In training we tend to differentiate between waza that are considered basics, which we call kihon and more advanced techniques that we call waza.
So you can see that waza can be used to describe both basic and advancd techniques.
For example your tokui-waza (favourite technique) could be men. Men is of course a basic technique, but is also a waza

[J. Schitt]

i'd just like to know what taitari and waza is?
-thanks

Go find a dojo and listen to what you are taught.

Tai atari means "body attack"

Waza means "technique"

And you are right to ignore hai-hai.

J.

[Nanbanjin]

Here is a rundown on tai-atari from my favourite kendo website Ichinikai.

The original is here
http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~ichini/bbs4/42779541015625.html

Firstly you need to use the right practice so you can perform tai-atari correctly.


Stand facing your opponent at a distance of one or two metres
Regulate your breathing together by saying "Isseenose" (use something equivalent in English) and perform tai-atari by lightly stamping in together with the right foot


This is one type of training. When performing this training be aware of the following points.

Rest your shinai at more of a right diagonal than when in tsuba-zeriai, raise the shinai so that the centre of the tsuka is at about the height of the centre of the do, and make this point the point of contact of the tai-atari
Straighten your back right out, lift your face and make sure your men-gane do not clash when doing tai-atari
Hold your wrists up firmly and close your elbows to your side. Make sure you don't get your fingers caught in the space between the tsuka and do when doing tai-atari
At the point of impact do not pull your hips back. You should perform tai-atari so that you are pushing upwards from underneath.


At fist try and clash lightly, but as you become accustomed to the technique try and work towards being able to add some force a bit at a time.

After you have done a sufficient amount of this bacic training, move onto hiki-waza from tai-atari.

Men with a large wind up, tai-atari, hiki-men
Men with a large wind up, tai-atari, hiki-kote
Men with a large wind up, tai-atari, hiki-do
(Men with a large wind up, tai-atair, hiki-gyaku-do)
Finally, Men with a large wind up running through (like a norma basic men)

Note: it is usual to do 1 to 3 twice and then finish with men.

This pattern could be called "basics within basics" and should be practiced carefully. After this you can try practicing "starting with a small men" and "using a pattern that would be effective in shiai".

For girls it is unfortunately quite common that tai-atari is performed only with the hands (called "te-atari") so it is necessary to make girls train "correct tai-atari training" at the outset, and help them develop the confidence to understand that "if you do it correctly there is nothing to be frightened of".

[e-lona]

They can also be performed from truba-zariai. Nanbanjin, what does this word mean? I'm a Hungarian girl translating an iaido book from English in our language, and I've met this word (more exactly: 'tsuba zariai') in the book, but I'm uncertain about its meaning, and find it nowhere in any dictionary or in the Internet as well...
Would you explain it with some words?

[e-lona]

They can also be performed from truba-zariai. Nanbanjin, what does this word mean? I'm a Hungarian girl translating an iaido book from English in our language, and I've met this word (more exactly: 'tsuba zariai') in the book, but I'm uncertain about its meaning, and find it nowhere in any dictionary or in the Internet as well...
Would you explain it with some words?

[Kingofmyrrh]

it`s `tsubazeriai` tsuba, as I`m sure you know, is the guard between the tsuka and the blade. seriai means mutual competition, so tsubazeriai means something like `competing with the tsuba`. Hmmm... that sounds pretty stupid. It just means when you`re close to your opponent, with your tsuba touching his, competing for an advantageous position