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Tsubasa_126

26-11-2003, 04:13 PM

tango

26-11-2003, 04:24 PM

you'll get used to it! i promise!

just don't quit!

Tsubasa_126

26-11-2003, 04:30 PM

Does working-out HARD and practicing suburi at home help me get used to the hard training at the DOJO?

tango

26-11-2003, 04:39 PM

i don't know.. i've never "worked out" hard (like in a gym) and i eventually got used to the heat and the men.

it's hard to simulate (in my opinion) the heat and the "confine"-ness of wearing the men.

i suppose if you have a place to do suburi inside, you could maybe put the men on when you do suburi.. that might help some.. if you have a treadmill at home, maybe you could put on your men and run on the treadmill.. (note: i've never tried this, i'm just thinking out loud).. don't run down the street with your men on, unless you want some crazy, crazy looks (note: i've never tried that either)...

we've had some big, muscle-bound gym-crazy guys in GREAT shape show up for kendo and then just drop on the floor after doing normal kendo with full bogu.

i'm sure others here will have some better advice.. working out/running/suburi obviously will help, but as i said, i think it's just very hard to simulate the type of workout you get from class while wearing bogu.

it just takes some time.. your body will get a little acclimated to doing it over time.. some days are better than others, too..

oh... stomach crunches are probably a good idea. you may yet be surprised how weak stomach muscles can mess with your kendo (or how strong stomach muscles can help your kendo)...

JUST KEEP AT IT, friend!

Shiro

27-11-2003, 12:18 AM

It's a matter of time. It always feels like an oven at first :)

Tsubasa_126

27-11-2003, 03:39 AM

So I should run with a full-Bogu on the streets or somewhere outside? I think that helps but, It's kind of embarrasing, and how many suburi should I do everyday?

Old Warrior

27-11-2003, 03:48 AM

I hate to sound like an old episode of "Kung Fu", but - "have patience, soon you won't even notice its on".

Tsubasa_126

27-11-2003, 04:13 AM

I kept getting hit alot from the yudansha and they go crazy on me. And my Kote hurts alot. Is there any way to prevent from getting hurt by kote?

ALI G

27-11-2003, 04:32 AM

I just had my first Jigeiko today, it was tough!!! I couldn't stand wearing that heavy 'men'!!! I was sweating alot and my feet started to hurt, I couldn't stand straight, and I kept rocking my head back and forth. I just got dizzy and hot. Do I just have to practice alot to get used to it?

Wot kind of mingin is dis? It sayz dat youz is 4 kyu but youz particitaped in jigeiko 4 da first time?

Raiza

27-11-2003, 05:33 AM

I kept getting hit alot from the yudansha and they go crazy on me. And my Kote hurts alot. Is there any way to prevent from getting hurt by kote?

A wrist protector would help. Hard kote hurt, especially when starting out. After a while you a) get used to it, or b) get smart and get some extra padding for your wrist. Using an really worn set can also make things worse-they don't provide as much protection as a newer set of bogu.

Starting in bogu is always an awkward experience. Don't give up! :)

Shiro

27-11-2003, 05:38 AM

Starting in bogu is always an awkward experience. Don't give up! :)

Yeah, not to mention my neck looks blue after every practice from that men. Since I have to catch my train after practice, I can't wash it off, so I have to go to the station like that! :D

Catherine

27-11-2003, 11:08 AM

I just had my first Jigeiko today, it was tough!!! I couldn't stand wearing that heavy 'men'!!! I was sweating alot and my feet started to hurt, I couldn't stand straight, and I kept rocking my head back and forth. I just got dizzy and hot. Do I just have to practice alot to get used to it?

Hi,

I suggest putting in some time wearing the men to get used to it - eg watching TV (a bit difficult, but useful anyway) or ironing.

This allows you to get used to wearing men without having to also cope with swinging a shinai or being hit.

Good luck,

Catherine

Future Head

27-11-2003, 11:32 AM

Wot kind of mingin is dis? It sayz dat youz is 4 kyu but youz particitaped in jigeiko 4 da first time?

Not too surprising. People in my dojo don't practice with bogu until 3rd kyu.

etherknot

27-11-2003, 01:44 PM

Hi,

I suggest putting in some time wearing the men to get used to it - eg watching TV (a bit difficult, but useful anyway) or ironing.

This allows you to get used to wearing men without having to also cope with swinging a shinai or being hit.

Good luck,

Catherine

On a side note: it is probably not wise to wear men while driving your car or conducting fiscal transactions with a teller at your local bank.

Just incase it wasn't obvious. :)

tango

27-11-2003, 06:30 PM

by the way, i specifically said DO NOT RUN DOWN THE STREET WITH YOUR MEN ON.. (note it in one of my posts from above)...

Just put the men on when you're at home... walk around in it... do the laundry... watch tv... do suburi... etc etc etc...

good suggestion, catherine.

Hai_hai

28-11-2003, 02:38 AM

i don't know.. i've never "worked out" hard (like in a gym) ...

That's because you are a pansy.

ALI G

28-11-2003, 05:43 AM

That's because you are a pansy.

He mayz B a Panzy...buttz hez notza quitta!!!!

Hai_hai

28-11-2003, 05:50 AM

He mayz B a Panzy...buttz hez notza quitta!!!!
I'm not a quitter. Just moved to a place without kendo.
You, on the other hand, are a poser.

Neil Gendzwill

28-11-2003, 05:58 AM

I'm not a quitter.
Please, be a quitter. Quit here, for starters.

Hai_hai

28-11-2003, 05:59 AM

Please, be a quitter. Quit here, for starters.

Oh that's rich.

Tsubasa_126

03-12-2003, 03:04 PM

dude..... I got beaten up so bad by the yudansha. I can't keep up with their speed and techniques. I felt like I was going to throw-up :confused2 I need to practice more :angry:

Yowai

03-12-2003, 03:19 PM

dude..... I got beaten up so bad by the yudansha. I can't keep up with their speed and techniques. I felt like I was going to throw-up :confused2 I need to practice more :angry:

Hold the shinai diagnally with the left hand, twisting the wrist such that the cote faces yourself and the cote laces faces the opponent. Extend the right hand towards the ground to protect the right do. Bend the head 90 degrees to the left, bending at the waist, to protect the head and left do.

Congratulations, you are invincible.

ALI G

03-12-2003, 04:09 PM

bending at the waist, to protect the head and left do.

I juzt new youz waz da mazta at bending overz........

azzume da pozition Mary..

Neil Gendzwill

03-12-2003, 11:37 PM

dude..... I got beaten up so bad by the yudansha. I can't keep up with their speed and techniques. I felt like I was going to throw-up :confused2 I need to practice more :angry:
Stop worrying about what they're hitting on you, just concentrate on your own waza. If they're pounding on you in only your second jigeiko, they have no idea how to conduct themselves with beginners. I suggest you make sure to get a keiko in with your sensei.

tanueirin

04-12-2003, 12:35 AM

dude..... I got beaten up so bad by the yudansha. I can't keep up with their speed and techniques. I felt like I was going to throw-up :confused2 I need to practice more :angry:

Yeah, keiko still tires me out pretty quickly. I keep telling myself this, and one day I'll get it right: KEEP A STRONG CENTRE.

Tsubasa_126

04-12-2003, 03:25 AM

I tried to hit a 'men' but, when ever I strike their 'men' they try to hit my kote. Does that count as a point?

Neil Gendzwill

04-12-2003, 04:09 AM

Once more with feeling - don't worry about what they're doing. If they're hitting kote when you're hitting men, they're just taking the opportunity to work on their own technique while you work on yours. It's not a fight, there's no winner and no loser! It's a learning experience on both sides. Use it as an opportunity for further training and maybe to work on what you've learned that class.

nodachi

04-12-2003, 06:18 AM

And be sure to relax. Tense muscles tire out much quicker than relaxed ones. You should only be tense at the moment of contact with the opponent. then you relax again. Save energy and have good form that way.

Tsubasa_126

04-12-2003, 09:05 AM

Thanks Guys I'll follow those tips :D

Tsubasa_126

16-12-2003, 04:06 AM

By doing a sever sparring at my dojo last week my heel started to hurt very much and I can barely walk on my heel. is this normal?

Neil Gendzwill

16-12-2003, 04:21 AM

It's normal when you've bruised your heel due to incorrect fumikomi (stamping). You need to land on your whole foot at once, you are probably landing too much on your heel. The only solution is to lay off kendo for a while and let it heel - even a proper stamp now will hurt it.

Tsubasa_126

16-12-2003, 05:44 PM

will a heel protector help it?

Neil Gendzwill

19-12-2003, 02:54 AM

Not once it's really bruised. You have to stop doing kendo for a while.

Tsubasa_126

19-12-2003, 03:44 AM

How long should I rest for my heel to heal-up? I heard that its a heel spur or something

lwegerich

19-12-2003, 04:12 AM

Hi,

I suggest putting in some time wearing the men to get used to it - eg watching TV

I think some "prison revolt" pictures like "Alcatraz" or "Papillon" will do... ;)

Neil Gendzwill

19-12-2003, 04:15 AM

How long should I rest for my heel to heal-up? I heard that its a heel spur or something
I don't know about heel spurs. If its just a bruise it could be as long as a month - just rest it until it doesn't hurt anymore when you stomp on it, then wear a pad for a while just to make sure.

Yowai

19-12-2003, 08:17 PM

We appreciate what you are doing Dr. Gendzwill.
Just out of curiosity, what sort of insurance plan covers doctors such as yourself from liability of treating patients over the internet?

Neil Gendzwill

19-12-2003, 11:22 PM

We appreciate what you are doing Dr. Gendzwill.
Just out of curiosity, what sort of insurance plan covers doctors such as yourself from liability of treating patients over the internet?
Point taken. Standard disclaimer: I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV. I offered my advice based on long experience with an extremely common kendo injury. If you suspect more than a bruised heel, or if you have extremely good lawyers, I suggest you see a doctor immediately.

Tsubasa_126

08-01-2004, 04:03 AM

I rested for about a month and I got healed up, so I started again, but it didn't work. My heel started to hurt more and more as I was doing fumikomi.
I think I have a problem doing a fumikomi(stomping). how do you do that in a proper way?

Neil Gendzwill

08-01-2004, 05:10 AM

Here's a flurry of "swing thoughts", as they'd say in golf: Relax your ankle. Don't let your foot get more than a couple of inches off the floor. Think more forward and down, not up. Push off with your left foot, don't step out with your right. Land on your whole foot at the same time. The proper sound is a sort of dull whump - a slapping sound means you landed on your heel first.

Tsubasa_126

10-01-2004, 03:32 AM

sminki

10-01-2004, 03:48 AM

Well Im going to forget about the pain in my heel so I'll just focus on my suburi and all those basics :smiley:

Well, you can try to forget but it's going to come back continuously to haunt you if you don't have proper fumikomi. Work with your sensei a bit on proper weight transfer and foot movement to have solid fumikomi. Important thing is that you're pushing off with the left as opposed to stepping with the right and you're NOT trying to make any sounds or stomp your foot, but rather are naturally transferring your weight onto the strike.