Found NEW "kendo" pic!

[tango]

check it:


http://christianjujitsu.tripod.com/PicturePage/pictures/97CampKendo.jpg


**chuckling**
tango

[tango]

if you're still laughing over that pick (like i am), consider what they teach..

in case anybody's interested, do a google search on em... they offer instruction in the following courses:

Basic and Advanced Exercises
Specific Okazaki Exercises: Kowami (21 Methods)
Basic Rolling and Falling (Over 20 Methods)
Basic and Advanced Stances (14)
Randori [Judo] (27 Methods & Techniques)
Advanced Allopathic 1st Aid Methods
Concentration and Breathing Exercises
Okazaki Restoration Massage
Standard Shiatsu: Points and Methods
Kempo Jitsu (Karate)
Anatomy & Physiology (Western)
Yawara (20 Hand Techniques)
Nage No Kata (20 Throwing Arts)
Shime No Kata (25 Choking & Constriction Arts)
Oku No Kata (25 Advanced Joint Locking Methods)
Advanced Yawara (31 Advanced Hand Methods)
Kiai No Maki (Over 100 Weapons and Kiai Techniques)
Katsu and Kapo (36 Resuscitation Techniques)
Seifukujitsu (52 Oriental Restoration Arts)
Shinen No Maki (36 Black Belt Arts)
Shinyo No Maki (28 Advanced Black Belt Arts)
Shinjin No Maki (36 Master's Arts)
CMT & OBT Instruction & Certification
Instructional Methods Course
Police Tactics Course (Beg., Int., Adv.)
Sports Injury Course

:D:D:D:
hahahahahaha... there ya go!
wasn't there a thread around here about "share your pics and stories of crazy whack "instructors"?

[tango]

sorry fellas.. i can't get the link to work now...

take my word for it.. it was pretty good. :)

[Alicia]

sorry fellas.. i can't get the link to work now...

take my word for it.. it was pretty good. :)

pity, anyone that could teach all that i would like to see, thay must be superhuman or something. or just have a lot of very gullible students.
dammit, i really want to see what they look like, but oh well

[tango]

well it's not just one instructor... it's a group of "black belts" (y'know.. the 10th dan in 3 different styles and 9th dan in a 4th style, plus 7 or 8 other "grandmasters") that teach as a group... so Sensei So-and-so teaches XYZ on this day and then Sifu So-and-What teaches MNB on that day, etc, etc, etc...

So there's no real "head instructor" I suppose... kinda like a "joint venture" of "head instructor grandmasters"...

;)

you could of course google "christian jujitsu association" and it'll take ya to the main page and they have lotsa pictures... the kendo picture is towards the bottom of the long list (if i recall correctly)...

be sure to excercise your eyeballs before reading the site, because you'll be rolling your eyes quite a bit..

[aru-ma]

tell me if my eye's are fooling me, are they wearing a baseball gear? and boken kata with a rifle?

I'm not trying to badmouth them or anything but there seems to be a lot of things going on for a Christian JUJITSU association I mean stealth excercise in army camo, blowgun classes, law enforcemnt tactics? sound like they're breeding an army to me.

[tango]

just a bunch of morons.

actually, the "kendo" picture looks as if they're wearing a very old style of taekwondo sparring gear.

...and i, too, was wondering about the kendo kata with rifles vs. bokken.

bunch of crackpot yahoos.

[xvikingx]

...and i, too, was wondering about the kendo kata with rifles vs. bokken.

I am unable to view the picture you are talking about but maybe they were doing juu-kendo (not bloody likely!). But the fact that they tagged on the word Christian tells me that they are a bunch of crackpot morons.

[tango]

Sorry about the direct link to the pic not working..

here's a link to their main page:

http://christianjujitsu.tripod.com/

click on pictures (from the link on the left)..
the "picture gallery" is automatically set up on "event pictures" (takes a second to load everything).. don't bother with the 'historical interest pics' or the 'dojo pics'.. not worth it.

the kendo pic is 5th from the bottom of the page.

btw, it doesn't look like taekowndo sparring gear... it's a baseball catcher's gear.. chest protector (covers the shoulders as well), full face mask and helmet.. maybe some kind of sparring gloves..

[E-ronin]

Wow that is sad and funny. Remember class when going into sonkyo always point your kensen at your opponents clouds (or was that throat I always get those mixed up.)


Ed

[rin-chan]

lmao the kendo kata pic was kinda sad.....
man those people must be really gullible-_-;;;

[hyouriittai]

I like how they represent every form of martial art known to man. Somebody PM me when the Christian Bujutsu Association decides to teach people how to shoot lasers out of their eyes -- I'll be the first to sign up.

[Chopstix]

Bahahaha! Love the picture!

[Caleb]

Even if the "sensei" (I dont think a 5th dan could teach that and feel good about his life) did teach these people incorrectly, its still hurtful to the organization-although funny- to laugh at them. Im not slapping your hand or anything, but I dont think its very respectful to dog on their organization. If your at a kendo tourney and you see a specific school that doesnt do well, do you flat out laugh at them or commend their intrest in kendo. These people obviously havn't had the chance for a good exposure of kendo, and I can't rightfully post something about the bad things being taught. Also, for the majority of you, that have a well expeirience in kendo- Im kind of dissapointed that kendo has been watered down that badly to let disrespect be accepted, especially on a kendo board that some very good sensei read. What name does that put on your dojo, when a person does this? Its just an observation from me about others. I dont mean to yell at you, or anyway make you feel bad, but Im saying you should be more respectfull.

[chidokan]

For me its more the connotations they have between religion and martial arts... last time that sort of thing went on it was called 'the Crusades' and a lot of people got hurt... my religion has nothing to do with what I do as a martial artist.

[tango]

Even if the "sensei" (I dont think a 5th dan could teach that and feel good about his life) did teach these people incorrectly, its still hurtful to the organization-although funny- to laugh at them. Im not slapping your hand or anything, but I dont think its very respectful to dog on their organization.

Well, it's not so much as poking fun at them as it is "Why are they teaching something they OBVIOUSLY do not know anything about?" .. You live here in the States and surely you know about people who claim to be "master" this or "grandmaster" that. Fact is, based on the photo they show of them doing "kendo", they shouldn't be teaching it.

If your at a kendo tourney and you see a specific school that doesnt do well, do you flat out laugh at them or commend their intrest in kendo.

Of course not. And what you describe is something completely different than the "stick fighting" this group is "teaching" to their students.

These people obviously havn't had the chance for a good exposure of kendo, and I can't rightfully post something about the bad things being taught. Also, for the majority of you, that have a well expeirience in kendo- Im kind of dissapointed that kendo has been watered down that badly to let disrespect be accepted, especially on a kendo board that some very good sensei read.

I'd be curious to see how some of the sensei on this board feel about it. I wonder if they like kendo being "taught" as these yahoos seem to be doing it. If they have interest in kendo, they can find out about it on the net. If there is no real instruction near them, they could order videos that at least explain some things. What these guys are doing is, in my opinion, portraying kendo as something that it's not. And their students probably don't even bother to question them or simply do not know enough about REAL KENDO in order to question the teachers.. Is that really good for kendo? In my opinion, no it's not.

What name does that put on your dojo, when a person does this? Its just an observation from me about others. I dont mean to yell at you, or anyway make you feel bad, but Im saying you should be more respectfull.

I'm not sure if you're addressing me, specifically, or someone else.
It really kinda makes me mad that people who do not know anything about kendo -- have never received proper instruction -- are out taking people's money by teaching something they are not qualified to teach. The students pay these instructors to learn something. What are they really learning about REAL kendo? Absolutely nothing. The instructors are taking these people for a ride --- at least as far as kendo instruction is concerned.

Point is, they shouldn't be teaching kendo. If the students had an interest in it, they'd be better off ordering videos and learning from that.

Just my opinion.

[chidokan]

I have mixed views on this...I am always gobsmacked when I see karateka using sword when they OBVIOUSLY dont know what they are doing. my favourite technique I once saw was a draw to the neck followed by a kick to the same place...I felt like saying "if you'd cut through you wouldnt have to kick him off the sword".
We all have to start somewhere, and no doubt do, or think, some really strange things, but nowadays there is no need to struggle to find a dojo and a good teacher. I can probably guarantee there will be a good dojo within four hours drive for most people, so you could at least get instruction at the weekends.
There is no longer a need to put up with jokers who are out to rip people off. The internet has been a blessing in this, all you have to do is ask for the nearest place and someone will answer you.

[Caleb]

I'm not sure if you're addressing me, specifically, or someone else.
It really kinda makes me mad that people who do not know anything about kendo -- have never received proper instruction -- are out taking people's money by teaching something they are not qualified to teach. The students pay these instructors to learn something. What are they really learning about REAL kendo? Absolutely nothing. The instructors are taking these people for a ride --- at least as far as kendo instruction is concerned.

I was talking to the whole group of people that were posting. I agree on your points. It does tick me off that these "americanized" sensei do this. If you can actually call them sensei-- we all have our views.

[Alex_McGrady]

...There is no longer a need to put up with jokers who are out to rip people off. The internet has been a blessing in this, all you have to do is ask for the nearest place and someone will answer you.Yep, you da man on that, Chidokan-san. I think if someone is stupid enough to create a website of a dojo that advertises they teach kendo, and they have photos of themselves playing nerf star wars.... then not only can we laugh at them, but maybe we can call them idiots as well. I am not speaking of this link...because I was unable to view it. But I have seen schools of all various martial arts advertise to teach something and not know what they are doing. Then they call themselves "Master" or "Grandmaters".... nope....dont think so.... those old dojos in Japan who have a head master that they call shihan, for example Tanaka Shihan, when you ask him directly what his name is, he will say Tanaka. You do not put titles on yourself.....what'up with that??? I AM MASTER ALEX!!!! I RULE THE WORLD!!!!! ummm.....

Caleb-san, in the US when you mix martial arts with business you get an ugly offspring..... if someone taught what they considered to be a martial art on their own time, then we should respect them and let them be.... But you wont find those types on the internet. IF you charge money to these students you owe them a fiduciary duty to actually teach them something. I doubt these people are making a simple donation. You cannot think of such a school as a true martial art that we must show respect to without consideration of what it is they are teaching. We use the best known way to weed out the weak.... THE MARKET. If people laugh at these types of dojos and do not attend... then those schools disappear. Like Chidokan-san said, we do not have to put up with these fakers. Have a good laugh and move on, my friend. You find true budo in yourself and not in such dojos.....

GRANDMASTER ALEX

[Fonsz]

Only in America. Alas only in America. Money, religion, Martial Arts a fatal mix. Bokken kata with rifles, what a bunch of fakers. I suppose if you're an martial artist from let's say Japan and you're a Buddhist than you can't participate in this "howdy doody Jesus loves you" club. Why can't they stick to playing Army or Marines in the woods, do they have to spoil Budo as well? Like I said only in America. Alas only in America.

[Alex_McGrady]

Only in America. Alas only in America. Money, religion, Martial Arts a fatal mix. Bokken kata with rifles, what a bunch of fakers. I suppose if you're an martial artist from let's say Japan and you're a Buddhist than you can't participate in this "howdy doody Jesus loves you" club. Why can't they stick to playing Army or Marines in the woods, do they have to spoil Budo as well? Like I said only in America. Alas only in America.Yes, Fonsz-san, you got that right!!! I am not saying playing kendo with Jesus is a bad thing but.... come on.... some people cannot seem to live one single day without bringing religion into every single thing they do, ruining things for others. But, in America, people usually only think about themsleves and the endless pursuit to convert the unbelievers......

One the good side, it does introduce various arts to people, and on the down side...it is just plain stupid....

Have a great one!!!!

Alex

[Simon R]

I am ashamed to have exposed my eyes to something so blatantly distasteful >_<

[not-I]

Only in America.
I beg to differ. While mixing militant esoteric religion with martial arts might seem like a typically American phenomenon, there are syncretic groups like this all over the world, including in oh-so-secular Europe.

Perhaps the most extreme example would be al-Qaeda, which combined a skewed version of Sunni Islam with terror tactics and combat training.

Scary stuff, but alas, not only in the States...

[Vortex]

It seems the cultists will do anything these days. Comine one part "Divine Light" to a few parts "baseball gear" and subject students to the whims of "the grandmasters" and you got the next branch dividians from texas. Sad.

[Frame]

man go to picture and search for "pugil" I wanted to do the whole "gladiators" tv program thing when i was a kid. It'd be a good laugh to get pugils and randomly beat each other with them........i haven't had a pillow fight in a long long time

[alan dean]

It seems like a very well run club to me.....They sure have fun and they are deep with teachers...

This sounds like a very good club to be a mamber of,,,the photos go back a number of years and seem to show the club getting better and better as time goes along...

My own kendo teacher has many photos of the old days when they learned Kendo with no gear at all, just the willingness to try and a few teachers that could make-do with what they had on hand.....

[Koki]

Gosh, you just look at a bunch of pictures and automatically claimed that they don't know what they are doing...

Please don't judge people too soon.

And by the way, don't say that kendo people are the only ones who know how to use the sword. First, FYI, kendo techniques are different from kenjutsu techniques. Second, other martial arts such as aikido, jujitsu, aikijujitsu, and karate incorporate weapon training too... and their training is actually closer to kenjutsu than kendo. Finally, are you sure you could cut through human bones? Maybe you should try to learn battodo before saying things like that...