Do Lesbians ever do Kendo?

[MartialArtsGirl]

Ok this is a wierd question, but I can't help wonder if a lot of lesbians do Kendo and if so how many are out there. The reason I ask is because, from what I understand, Kendo is very aggressive in a similar way that football is aggressive (right?) And anyway, stereotypically, women who like or do football are lesbians. So does that transfer to, a lot of lesbians do Kendo? Or something like that...?

[tango]

The answer is yes, lesbians do kendo.

[Maku-san]

And they hit HARD!!!! :eek:

[MartialArtsGirl]

Well I guess if you consider that one in 10 people are lesbians the answer would be yes. But, I mean, do you find a lot of lesbians doing Kendo? thats waht I meant to say. Is it like footbale where a high percentage of women are lesbians? Thats what I meant.

[turboyoshi]

All the girls in my dojo are lesbians. What? That's what they tell me. :laugh:

OK, it's kinda hard to take this question seriously. I mean, why would anyone care? And fyi, lots of lesbians aren't aggressive or into all that sporty stuff either.

[ShinKenshi]

OK, it's kinda hard to take this question seriously. I mean, why would anyone care?Agreed, is there really a point to asking this question in the first place? Does it really matter that much? Personally, I feel life choices such as these mean squat when it comes to kendo. You show up at the dojo as you are, let your kendo do the talking, and leave the rest at the door.

[MartialArtsGirl]

Well it was a half-joking,

A lot of people were asking questions about "why do all the women have long term bfs or husbands" or whatever. Also "What to do when your sensei/sempai is a hot (male) teacher" so I thought, hey, what about for the lesbians out there? What if they see another hot girl?

lol

and p.s. fyi it's not a choice to be a lesbian; (and yeah I know, it's a sterotype about aggressive lesbians, hence the half joking part of it)

[Paikea]

Ok this is a wierd question, but I can't help wonder if a lot of lesbians do Kendo...+rep to ShinKenshi - I too would never ask, it has nothing to do with Kendo.

[ShinKenshi]

and p.s. fyi it's not a choice to be a lesbian; (and yeah I know, it's a sterotype about aggressive lesbians, hence the half joking part of it)I realize this and it was poor word selection on my part. Read "choice" as "lifestyle" and you catch my meaning.

[ghostdancer]

what part of the world is Lesbia in then ?

oh and who cares anyway

[Mr. T.]

but I can't help wonder if a lot of lesbians do Kendo and if so how many are out there.

Who cares!

Some ones sexual preferences do not matter in any sport. So why wonder about it. As long as they enjoy kendo and are nice people who you can have a laugh with, nobody should give a damn.


Well I guess if you consider that one in 10 people are lesbians the answer would be yes. But, I mean, do you find a lot of lesbians doing Kendo? thats waht I meant to say. Is it like footbale where a high percentage of women are lesbians? Thats what I meant.

I truly believe that's a misconception, I think they might be more open about it, but I doubt there is a higher percentage of lesbians in contact sports (I'm guessing that's what you're aiming at).


Well it was a half-joking,

It's not really something to joke about. If you follow the reports a bit you'll find out that a lot of people doing contact sports are homophobic, especially towards gay men and often gay women are not taken seriously in sports (the "butch" thing). Think about it. Why do you think there are (almost) no "gay" football players. Do you really think they are all straight guys?


A lot of people were asking questions about "why do all the women have long term bfs or husbands" or whatever. Also "What to do when your sensei/sempai is a hot (male) teacher" so I thought, hey, what about for the lesbians out there? What if they see another hot girl?

I was wondering about that for 2 second while reading your post (never wondered about that before) and I came to the simple conclusion that they don't like talking about it as openly like we do. Again, because they might not be accepted for who they are, they don't give a shit or they believe that it is non of our business (and they are right about that).

As far as I know there has only been 1 forum member who openly talked about being gay. I can't remember who it was and I'm to lazy to look it up.

Done ranting :confused2

[Mr. T.]

what part of the world is Lesbia in then ?

oh and who cares anyway

Actually, Lesbos is a Greek island, but I do not think they have a kendo club on Lesbos, so no Lesbian kendo player on Lesbos. :confused:

(an inhabitant of Lesbos is called a Lesbian, they actually filled a lawsuit in the hope that gay women no longer would call themselfs Lesbians. How sad is that)

[sirius1906]

All kinds of people do kendo, including assholes. Who gives a sh!t. The only thing you should care is your own training.

[jjcruiser]

OP:

No idea, but why would you ask such a question? The best thing it can do is assuage your bizarre curiosity. The worst is offend people and you'll carry that reputation with you into your new dojo if people put two and two together.

Instead, I have a suggestion since you seem to be trying to draw people out into discussion and debate: Fish or cut bait.

If you are serious about Kendo, time to join a dojo and start actually doing it. People have been answering your (until now) good questions and encouraging you. You have at least two dojos that sound like good options, which is two more than some people do and you're in New York where there are another six-to-ten within spittin' distance.

[absenteekendoka]

This is a little known fact, but I'm actually a lesbian trapped in a mans body. ;)

[sirius1906]

This is a little known fact, but I'm actually a lesbian trapped in a mans body. ;)

Lucky. (http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll196/zh001d/dinner_at_aeree/nd_lucky_S.jpg) :D

[NigelSponge]

+rep to ShinKenshi - I too would never ask, it has nothing to do with Kendo.

This (http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13001) have anything to do with kendo? lol

idk, if she wants to ask what is, imo, a kinda awkward question, why not let her. I agree that race, sexuality, creed etc. don't matter, but i think if anyone here didn't think the question was even worth being asked, why did u click the link that says "Do Lesbians ever do Kendo?" in the first place?

:)

[PhilMcLaughlin]

Ok this is a wierd question, but I can't help wonder if a lot of lesbians do Kendo and if so how many are out there. The reason I ask is because, from what I understand, Kendo is very aggressive in a similar way that football is aggressive (right?) And anyway, stereotypically, women who like or do football are lesbians. So does that transfer to, a lot of lesbians do Kendo? Or something like that...?

i think you should either give kendo a go or stop posting about it

there are people who do kendo & people who dont. anything else is unimportant

[1stdan]

what part of the world is Lesbia in then ?


I think maybe its the Greek Isle of Lesbos.
Dont get mad at me its a real place.

[Bekks]

All the girls in my dojo are lesbians. What? That's what they tell me. :laugh:


I've never told you that!:confused:

I really can't say anything that hasn't been said about asking this. Sexual preference doesn't make you better or worse at kendo. This really seems like it's posted more for attention than anything else.

[xvikingx]

I'm the only lesbian I know that does kendo.

[Abramo]

And there's an Ad here for "dykefinder.com". That's pro.

To contribute something positive erm, lets see, oh, I know, Sappho of Lesbos (from where we got "Sapphic") was deemed a person of high quality by great men of ancient Greece including Plato (who called her "wise") and Horace (who said her poems were worthy of divine worship). She's also commonly reffered to as the "10th muse".

[Mr Softee]

Stop feeding the troll

[yoda-waza]

Ok this is a wierd question, but I can't help wonder if a lot of lesbians do Kendo and if so how many are out there. The reason I ask is because, from what I understand, Kendo is very aggressive in a similar way that football is aggressive (right?) And anyway, stereotypically, women who like or do football are lesbians. So does that transfer to, a lot of lesbians do Kendo? Or something like that...?

Yes, it is a weird question but I'm more concerned with your fixation. You mean you really can't help wondering about this? Are you bored today?
What I spend my time wondering about is which hand everyone in the dojo uses to stir their coffee. Some left, some right I suppose. Me, I use a spoon - it's more sanitary.

[ShinKenshi]

...but i think if anyone here didn't think the question was even worth being asked, why did u click the link that says "Do Lesbians ever do Kendo?" in the first place?Mostly because I literally did a double take at seeing the title of the thread and curiosity did the rest. Normally I'm all for people asking questions but some you just look at and say, "less talk, more training!"

[vedenant]

Ask your selves, why do men and women have seperate dressing rooms in the first place?

It is a sexual thing! And therefore: If there are blokes who fancy guys, I want the out of the "guys" dressing room and into the "girls" dressing room. Ditto for "lesbians" I want them out of the "girls" and into the "guys" dressing room. It's only fair, right :wink: And, they should not be called "Girls"/"Guys" dressing rooms, but "Man Lovers" and "Chick Lovers" :laugh:

That's how it should be everywhere, not just at the Dojo!

[atgm]

This really seems like it's posted more for attention than anything else.

I wouldn't go that far. It seems like MAGirl is really enthusiastic about doing kendo and wants to be doing it right now, but can't, so her enthusiasm is getting channeled into the forums for now.

[Bekks]

I wouldn't go that far. It seems like MAGirl is really enthusiastic about doing kendo and wants to be doing it right now, but can't, so her enthusiasm is getting channeled into the forums for now.

Sure, but I don't see how this extends from enthusiasm about Kendo. Being a lesbian doesn't make your kendo better than anyone else's. If it's a curiosity of how many gay/lesbian people that she will be practicing with, then I'm sorry but that's nothing we can really determine for her.

[absenteekendoka]

Stop feeding the troll

I am inclined to agree..............hmmmmmmm, smells amazingly troll like.....next she'll ask what we think of her concept of a movie with Ninjas Samurai and Vampires....... ;(

[JoDuncan]

Ask your selves, why do men and women have seperate dressing rooms in the first place?

It is a sexual thing! And therefore: If there are blokes who fancy guys, I want the out of the "guys" dressing room and into the "girls" dressing room. Ditto for "lesbians" I want them out of the "girls" and into the "guys" dressing room. It's only fair, right :wink: And, they should not be called "Girls"/"Guys" dressing rooms, but "Man Lovers" and "Chick Lovers" :laugh:

That's how it should be everywhere, not just at the Dojo!

A fine example of why you should not smoke crack and post on a forum....

Should one who swings both ways be relegated to the street? Or would they have to wear a blindfold in the changing room... "Where did i leave my loofa?" :eek:

[Toecutter]

next she'll ask what we think of her concept of a movie with Ninjas Samurai and Vampires....... ;(

Dam it who told you about the script?


Where did i leave my loofa?" :eek:

Loofa, sounds like a definite need for soap on a rope.

[Paikea]

This (http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13001) have anything to do with kendo? lol

idk, if she wants to ask what is, imo, a kinda awkward question, why not let her. I agree that race, sexuality, creed etc. don't matter, but i think if anyone here didn't think the question was even worth being asked, why did u click the link that says "Do Lesbians ever do Kendo?" in the first place?

:)People are free to ask anything they want, I did not say it was not worth asking. I said I would not ask it, meaning I think to do so would be incredibly rude. In the dojo, that's not my business nor is it relevant.

[Paikea]

...damned edit time. I wanted to add that I don't give a damn who people sleep with if they could just show me how to nail a good hiki-do.

[Maku-san]

Those damn banner ads are too close to the subject matter for my comfort...

Really. "Pink Cupid"??? Do we REALLY want to see girl-on-girl action in KW? :confused:

(Other than in shiai, that is! :evil:)

[jjcruiser]

Those damn banner ads are too close to the subject matter for my comfort...
Really. "Pink Cupid"??? Do we REALLY want to see girl-on-girl action in KW? :confused:


Agreed.

Was the OP all just a set up to get that banner ad set up?

Personally, I find it troubling, to say the least, that there are these kinds of ads on the site, but more troubling than that is that the first time they've been noticed was in a thread with this provocative title.

NOTE TO ADMINS:

I don't know how online advertising works, but if KW's new banner ads come from the subject matter of the posts, I think it should consider a more stringent policy on locking threads. Everyone is obviously free to do what they want on their time, but if such continues this site is going to become NSFW (or home), which would be disappointing.

[NigelSponge]

...damned edit time. I wanted to add that I don't give a damn who people sleep with if they could just show me how to nail a good hiki-do.
i hear that! :)

[Sasayaki]

By the way, to actually go back to the OP's question,
I have not met a lesbian kendoka yet. Although I see what you mean on the comparison to football and agressive sports. Its kind of like saying kendo is full of Tomboys because you wouldn't expect a girly girl to do kendo since its so physical. But once again, I have yet to meet one.

Side note,
I do kendo and played football for fun...does that make me a lesbian??! :eek:

Man I must be damn good if I'm a lesbian, still in the closet and I don't even know it! :laugh:

[turboyoshi]

Man I must be damn good if I'm a lesbian, still in the closet and I don't even know it! :laugh:

You just haven't met the right butch yet. :laugh:
:eek::eek:

[Maku-san]

By the way, to actually go back to the OP's question,
I have not met a lesbian kendoka yet. Although I see what you mean on the comparison to football and agressive sports. Its kind of like saying kendo is full of Tomboys because you wouldn't expect a girly girl to do kendo since its so physical. But once again, I have yet to meet one.

Side note,
I do kendo and played football for fun...does that make me a lesbian??! :eek:

Man I must be damn good if I'm a lesbian, still in the closet and I don't even know it! :laugh:

Well, I ***COULD*** kiss you square on the lips (tongue optional) and if there was no reaction on your part (no, a slap across my face does NOT count!), then it's safe to say that you ***COULD*** be a lesbian and not know it. Then again, you could have not been attracted to me (and my question would be "Why not?!?" :( ), which would not have caused any kind of reaction on your part.

All in all, either way, my missus would have my man bits in a mechanical vise. :eek:

[Abramo]

Hahaha this thread should be in the "Creepy Perv Dudes Forum" not the "Women's forum".

[Bekks]

Hahaha this thread should be in the "Creepy Perv Dudes Forum" not the "Women's forum".

Or added to the seven smutty samurai thread. :laugh:

[Sasayaki]

Well, I ***COULD*** kiss you square on the lips (tongue optional) and if there was no reaction on your part (no, a slap across my face does NOT count!), then it's safe to say that you ***COULD*** be a lesbian and not know it. Then again, you could have not been attracted to me (and my question would be "Why not?!?" :( ), which would not have caused any kind of reaction on your part.

All in all, either way, my missus would have my man bits in a mechanical vise. :eek:

More like your missus would have blown your man bits to pieces...that is to say if you have anything there to begin with.

BURN!
10 points to me. :)

[MartialArtsGirl]

I wouldn't go that far. It seems like MAGirl is really enthusiastic about doing kendo and wants to be doing it right now, but can't, so her enthusiasm is getting channeled into the forums for now.


YEESS YES YES YES YES YES YES! EX-ACT-LY!!!

I do want to do Kendo, uhm, like, uhm, NOW. But I can't. So I make myself content with making little doodles of Kendo people fighting each other in my school notebook, and asking questions about lesbians in Kendo. lol

I guess I couldn't think of any other topic to answer to or write about. :(

I have to say,though, I am a liiitle disapointed about the subtle hostility this question got. I didn't see that happening in the "what do you do if your sempai/Sensei" thread and the other similar type questions. (ok, one or two people posted the "I don't think this belongs in Kendo/ the forums, so they are excused) but a lot of people jumped on this one, and I could feel a bit of hostility as in, people were asking, why the heck are you asking this?

I only thought of it because of those other posts about what people do if they like someone, or etc. ... Or why all the female kendo people are either married or in long term relationships (implying that there ARE guys or girls looking...)

It really does make me wonder how homophopic kendo people are. Hey, if I were gay, I don't think I'd want to come out after this. (Why come out? Well, what if you like someone? Or you have some guy who is hitting on you and you want to give him the message: stop, no matter what it won't work?)

Anyway, it was foolish of me to ask this question, and I am a little bit sad about the reaction. I really don't hope I get a bad reputation due to this question, especially since I have mentioned in other posts about which club I hope to join.

I'm sure everyone is primarily interested in Kendo, but that doesn't mean that if there's someone of interest they will be like "ooohh no, can't do that, no no,I'm only practicing Kendo, can't ever date anyone, no way".

But anyway, it doesn't matter. Please just forget that I posted this, ok? I'd like to practice Kendo without having any kind of "bad reputation".

[Sasayaki]

YEESS YES YES YES YES YES YES! EX-ACT-LY!!!

I do want to do Kendo, uhm, like, uhm, NOW. But I can't. So I make myself content with making little doodles of Kendo people fighting each other in my school notebook, and asking questions about lesbians in Kendo. lol

I guess I couldn't think of any other topic to answer to or write about. :(

I have to say,though, I am a liiitle disapointed about the subtle hostility this question got. I didn't see that happening in the "what do you do if your sempai/Sensei" thread and the other similar type questions. (ok, one or two people posted the "I don't think this belongs in Kendo/ the forums, so they are excused) but a lot of people jumped on this one, and I could feel a bit of hostility as in, people were asking, why the heck are you asking this?

I only thought of it because of those other posts about what people do if they like someone, or etc. ... Or why all the female kendo people are either married or in long term relationships (implying that there ARE guys or girls looking...)

It really does make me wonder how homophopic kendo people are. Hey, if I were gay, I don't think I'd want to come out after this. (Why come out? Well, what if you like someone? Or you have some guy who is hitting on you and you want to give him the message: stop, no matter what it won't work?)

Anyway, it was foolish of me to ask this question, and I am a little bit sad about the reaction. I really don't hope I get a bad reputation due to this question, especially since I have mentioned in other posts about which club I hope to join.

I'm sure everyone is primarily interested in Kendo, but that doesn't mean that if there's someone of interest they will be like "ooohh no, can't do that, no no,I'm only practicing Kendo, can't ever date anyone, no way".

But anyway, it doesn't matter. Please just forget that I posted this, ok? I'd like to practice Kendo without having any kind of "bad reputation".

I think your post is fine, you had good intentions. And I liked the question. So I have your back. :) Don't worry you won't get a bad reputation from this. lol.

<3

[Orange_Kendoka]

To OP: I do not think that most of the posters here are homophobic. I believe the real reason why so many people took issue with your post was because of the blanket statements that were made. Not all women who play football or lesbians and not all lesbians are aggressive.
'All in all, I do not think that you have to worry about your reputation as it seems that this was a misunderstanding and KW is full of kenshi understand that misunderstandings can and do occur. So, at least from me, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. :P

Not overly agressive kenshi LOL

[Tsunemori]

I have to say,though, I am a liiitle disapointed about the subtle hostility this question got.
Welcome to the internet.

Try asking some random person "are you gay?" and see if they don't get offended. And then accuse them of being a homophobe for getting worked up. Most people would probably punch you in the face by then.

[vedenant]

A fine example of why you should not smoke crack and post on a forum....

Should one who swings both ways be relegated to the street? Or would they have to wear a blindfold in the changing room... "Where did i leave my loofa?" :eek:

Absolutely not! It's their choise! We are after all protecting the minorities here, right? :laugh:

[Kendoka_Han]

And they hit HARD!!!! :eek:

Which goes to prove the obvious universal fact that Lesbians are Men, and Gays are Women! ;)

[Alison2805]

Which goes to prove the obvious universal fact that Lesbians are Men, and Gays are Women! ;)

I dont think you realise that youre the only homophobic person in the room...

[Kendoka_Han]

I dont think you realise that youre the only homophobic person in the room...

I am in no way shape or form Homophobic :)

[xvikingx]

I am in no way shape or form Homophobic :)
Yeah Ali.
He is not afraid of them.... He just thinks they are sinners and are damned to an eternity of fiery torture in Hell.

[Kendoka_Han]

Yeah Ali.
He is not afraid of them.... He just thinks they are sinners and are damned to an eternity of fiery torture in Hell.

Because they choose to! Yahweh doesnt send them to hell.

Give me at least ONE scriptural reference that Jesus sends people to hell....

What IS Hell?

[Alison2805]

uuugh.... if you start another religious debate and get this thread locked too, I will petition the moderators to have you banned.

[Raindrop]

How did we get from talking about girl-loving-girls waving shinais around to Jesus? :confused:

To bring some value back into this topic: I can vouch for at least one gay girl who does Kendo :tongue:

She doesn't hit hard at all, she's a bit of a wuss and she's much too occupied to not look fat in hakama & keikogi and having her hair in order that she doesn't even notice any other women in the changing room.

Does that answer everyone's questions? :ko:

[Kendoka_Han]

uuugh.... if you start another religious debate and get this thread locked too, I will petition the moderators to have you banned.

xvikingx started it...

[Paburo]

To bring some value back into this topic: I can vouch for at least one gay girl who does Kendo :tongue:

She doesn't hit hard at all, she's a bit of a wuss and she's much too occupied to not look fat in hakama & keikogi and having her hair in order that she doesn't even notice any other women in the changing room.

Does that answer everyone's questions? :ko:

same here raindrop, i know of at least one girl who exclusively likes other girls (much to our boyish regret) :D :D

and she is not (by far) the tomboyish-est of the lot. actually she's quite feminine and girly. and takes kendo as seriously as any other girl out there. so whoever is throwing in these stereotypical quasi-homophobic statements should take some time to ponder about manners and commmon sense.

or come to my dojo my shinai will deliver :silly:

cheers.

[xvikingx]

xvikingx started it...
For once he's right. I did.
Sorry.

[Spendius]

For once he's right. I did.
Sorry.

You'll burn in hell for that !

[xvikingx]

You'll burn in hell for that !
I'm already there dude.

[ShinKenshi]

I have to say,though, I am a liiitle disapointed about the subtle hostility this question got. I didn't see that happening in the "what do you do if your sempai/Sensei" thread and the other similar type questions. (ok, one or two people posted the "I don't think this belongs in Kendo/ the forums, so they are excused) but a lot of people jumped on this one, and I could feel a bit of hostility as in, people were asking, why the heck are you asking this?

It really does make me wonder how homophopic kendo people are. Hey, if I were gay, I don't think I'd want to come out after this. (Why come out? Well, what if you like someone? Or you have some guy who is hitting on you and you want to give him the message: stop, no matter what it won't work?)Being one of the people who is among those who responded with, "why ask this," I should probably clear up a couple things. First of all, I didn't intend to give any kind of hostile connotation in my response and I'm sorry it was interpreted that way. Secondly, you sometimes have to read between the lines.

At a certain point after practicing kendo for a while, you reach a point where some questions come from way out in left field and make you go, "huh? :confused:" and wonder why that question was asked. No negative feelings at all, just simple puzzlement, which was the case for me when I read the OP's question. I think the reason why this question got the reception it did rather than one similar to that found in the aforementioned thread, is because it really isn't something that most people think about when it comes to kendo. I'm quite sure that in the dojo, nobody cares whether you're gay or straight and don't really ever consider those aspects of people's lives because they're too focused on topics directly related to kendo.

I'm glad to see you're so enthusiasic about kendo and I can understand wanting to jump right on in on the craziness/fun that defines these threads and contribute your two cents (been there, done that, had far worse/embarrasing results). I don't think anybody would hold starting this thread against you nor do I think it will give you a bad reputation. As far as coming out in the dojo, that's up to the individual and it probably/shouldn't be a problem. That's the great thing about kendo, people don't judge you based on those aspects of your life, but rather your dedication and strength (physical and skill wise) in kendo.

[absenteekendoka]

I'm already there dude.

I'm saving you a seat between me and Frank Sinatra, good seats to I might add! Now if Stalins head wasn't in the way I could see the damn floor show! By the way Frankie says bring Nachos! :) And while your at it a few lesbians never hurt either.........

[Fonsz]

She doesn't hit hard at all, she's a bit of a wuss and she's much too occupied to not look fat in hakama & keikogi and having her hair in order that she doesn't even notice any other women in the changing room.

She's not really that fat is she? Not petite but definitely not fat.:confused::ko::eek:

[turboyoshi]

It really does make me wonder how homophopic kendo people are. Hey, if I were gay, I don't think I'd want to come out after this. (Why come out? Well, what if you like someone? Or you have some guy who is hitting on you and you want to give him the message: stop, no matter what it won't work?)


I understand you feel like all the het people had their say and the gay people don't seem to get equal time, but really, it's pretty much a non issue. For example: the question about what to do if you're attracted to your sempai/sensei, gets answered the same regardless of your orientation.

case 1: your sensei's not gay. case closed.

case 2: your sensei is gay, see solution in prior thread.

The gay subculture provides subtle ways of determining whether one is or is not part of that subculture so there's no need for you to ask (presumably on their behalf) "I'm attracted to my sensei, how can I tell if he's gay so I know whether I can ask him out or not?"

If it's a question of ethics, it applies regardless of orientation. If it's a question of sexuality, it doesn't matter (or belong) in the dojo.
And fyi, I was more amused rather than hostile regarding your OP.

[Paikea]

uuugh.... if you start another religious debate and get this thread locked too, I will petition the moderators to have you banned.Get in line ma'am, get in line...

[Raindrop]

She's not really that fat is she? Not petite but definitely not fat.:confused::ko::eek:

no, not fat, but ALL woman always think they're fat. It's a mental thing. ;)

[Maku-san]

More like your missus would have blown your man bits to pieces...that is to say if you have anything there to begin with.

BURN!
10 points to me. :)

Heyyyyyyyyyyy! :jaguar:

No tongue for you, missy!!! :lick:

[Maku-san]

uuugh.... if you start another religious debate and get this thread locked too, I will petition the moderators to have you banned.


Get in line ma'am, get in line...

663....serving Number 663.....664...serving Number 664....665....serving Number 665....serving Number.... :evil:

[futabachan]

It really does make me wonder how homophopic kendo people are.

I've never had any overt homophobia directed at me. I'm pretty loudly out, and my partner does naginata with me.

I am a little annoyed that this thread has devolved into random men making heteronormative jokes, but no, no real homophobia from anyone I've interacted with so far -- and no, there's no reputation that kendo women are lesbians. The subject hasn't come up at all; some of the other women have mentioned men in their lives in passing, but that's it.

[Maku-san]

All my previous humorous posts aside:

I'd like to think that kendoka are fellow human beings who come together to perfect themselves in the GREAT martial art of Kendo (and Iaido/Naginata), regardless of their sexual orientation.

Homophobia is, and should be, greatly discouraged, as it does not align with the compassionate edict of the ZNKR Kendo Code.

[turboyoshi]

I'm pretty loudly out, and my partner does naginata with me.


OK, I wanted to make some joke here about you doing naginata and a shinai being too small to satisfy and whatnot but I don't wanna get hurt. So let's pretend I made the joke and we all laughed. :P


damn, I really need some work to do.

[Mr. T.]

I have to say,though, I am a liiitle disapointed about the subtle hostility this question got.

Homosexuality is still a very touchy subject, no matter where you go. Homophobia is a wide spread thing. Even if people claim not to have problems they tend to act strange around them. Even in my country where they act liberal about these things, sometimes gays are still being treated as being something of a novelty.

That's why your respond got so many heavy reactions.


It really does make me wonder how homophobic kendo people are. Hey, if I were gay, I don't think I'd want to come out after this. (Why come out? Well, what if you like someone? Or you have some guy who is hitting on you and you want to give him the message: stop, no matter what it won't work?)

That would be a problem. In my opinion you should be able to come out of the closet without suffering some kind of repercussion.


Anyway, it was foolish of me to ask this question, and I am a little bit sad about the reaction. I really don't hope I get a bad reputation due to this question, especially since I have mentioned in other posts about which club I hope to join.

A bit foolish, perhaps, but I don't think they would hold a grudge against you for asking a question like that. You meant well, but it go interpreted as something “not done”. So if they hold a grudge against you for this, they are the close minded ones.

Just have fun with kendo.

[MartialArtsGirl]

The gay subculture provides subtle ways of determining whether one is or is not part of that subculture so there's no need for you to ask (presumably on their behalf)

Your assuming I'm asking on someone elses behalf.

What if I'm just a bit dense?

[turboyoshi]

What if I'm just a bit dense?

Umm, learn to loosen up? :laugh:

Seriously though, if you had a situation like that, Although the adult response would be to just ask, if we assume you want to be subtle so as not to possibly freak others out or get your feelings hurt, then, you'd need to ask someone who understands your subculture to help you. So, it still wouldn't be a question for the forum.

[MartialArtsGirl]

Good idea.

Whats the secret handshake so that I can find people of said "subculture?"

[turboyoshi]

Whats the secret handshake so that I can find people of said "subculture?"

It's not what you do with your hands...:eek::laugh::laugh:

Oh this won't end well.

[MartialArtsGirl]

OMG this thread has gotten way out of control.

[absenteekendoka]

OMG this thread has gotten way out of control.

That has a way of happening here at times. I'm actually surprised it hasn't gotten worse. :)

[absenteekendoka]

The long and the short of it is that no one really cares about anyones orientation we're all there to do Kendo. :)

[atgm]

I have to say,though, I am a liiitle disapointed about the subtle hostility this question got.

Rather than the content, I was more annoyed at the question itself. Of course there are gay/lesbian people who do kendo, just like there would be gay/lesbian people anywhere else. Their orientation really shouldn't matter in the slightest.

There's no perception whatsoever here (in Japan) that women who do kendo are automatically "butch" or "lesbian".

Of course there are more guys doing it, but women have only been allowed to do kendo for, what, the last 50 years or so?


This is definitely my last post on the subject. >.>

Edit: And I really do think that it's time for this thread to be closed; MartialArtsGirl has certainly gotten her answer and the jokes/wisecracks are really starting to take over.

[CH0ZEN]

I don't have any clue as to why a person's sexuality would have any bearing on why the would or would not do kendo.

[JSchmidt]

Stupid thread. Lock it up.

[Toecutter]

Stupid thread. Lock it up.
I couldn't have said it better.

[MartialArtsGirl]

OMG this thread has gotten way out of control.

Oh and since someone was saying I wasn't being adult about it: I am a lesbian, I was shy to say it, I was trying to ask a quetsion without implying that I am a lesbian, and I'm a fool to admit it, but for goodness sakes if Kendo people don't like me because of it, I've decided- then fine. Whatever.

I only brought it up because I was hoping that other girls like me might also be drawn to Kendo a lot. (and it IS a stereotype, but of the few lesbians I have known, a lot of them have been into football). But hey, whatever, it doesn't matter. I had no idea that everyone would get so creeped out about the topic.

Haha I should have known though as far as the guys go anyway. I do tend to prefer to hang out with the guys (more so than girls) so I should have known. Guys think- Every seven seconds, right? (how do you function?????) But I guess I just thought that this was the womens section of the forum.

I do not appreciate being called a troll, either... (assuming that was directed at me.) If people are going to get upset at me for bringing up what would be a legit topic (or so I thought, based on some other threads I read) then fine. But don't call me a troll.

I was so upset after this, that I actually cried for awhile. I have been REALLY looking forward to starting Kendo... REALLY looking forward to it. I don't want to go to a Kendo club and think, "omg which people here are going to read this thread and therefore discriminate against me?"

And for the ladies that are straight out there- I am sorry if I offended you by somehow implying that, if your aggressive, you are therefore a lesbian. That is not what I meant. Rather, what I meant was, (or what I think is possible anyway) is that lesbians have a higher chance of being more assertive/aggressive than straight girls (even if they LOOK girly). I did NOT mean that agressive women have a higher chance of being lesbian.

also, I do not know of this "sub-culture" you speak of. I guess that comes from the fact that I tend to be more interested in activities that are more guy dominated then not- so I don't end up meeting many girls in general. Most of my friends are guys, (straight guys) too. It also doesn't help that I don't like bars or dance clubs that much.

How is this relevant? It's not a huge important issue, but it is relevant to me, because first, I am so incredibly absorbed in schoolwork that I don't have much of a chance to do anything else, including things where I might meet other human beings. Joining a Kendo club would be one such a place. (the other being my religious place... yes I am religious). Also, MOST straight folks meet others in the clubs and activities that they do. It WOULD be nice to be able to do the same (without fear of discrimination), since I can't tell who is or is not a lesbian just by looking at them! (where is this power and how can I buy it?)

If you guys complain that, oh Kendo is not about meeting people and picking up chicks, I'd be inclined to agree. I was just freakin' curious!!!!!!!!! :(

p.s. thank you for those of you who have given me your support. I appreciate it.

So now that all questions and such have been answered, maybe we should end this thread because it's obvious that I won't get a mature answer to my question. Or maybe the response is the answer: Their either arn't enough girls for the 1 in 10 rule to apply, or, if it did, they probably wouldn't be out in a male driven, testosterone activity.

Fine with me. I'll just focus on doing Kendo. Which was what I was going to do anyway.

[atgm]

I think you got plenty of mature answers which pretty much amount to what you'd expect. What kind of people are drawn to kendo? The same people you see anywhere else. Young and old, gay and straight, white and minority, kind and mean, arrogant and humble, single and married.

That was my only real beef with your question and I'm sorry if I came across as being harsh.

[NigelSponge]

Ok this is a wierd question, but I can't help wonder if a lot of lesbians do Kendo and if so how many are out there. The reason I ask is because, from what I understand, Kendo is very aggressive in a similar way that football is aggressive (right?) And anyway, stereotypically, women who like or do football are lesbians. So does that transfer to, a lot of lesbians do Kendo? Or something like that...?

before it get's closed down, i'll try to give the most mature and straightforward answer i can.

Yes, lesbians do kendo. It would not appear that they are the majority, just as in regular society, but who knows.
It is not generally assumed by the kendo population that girl kendoka are lesbians because they are doing an aggressive sport. One's sexual orientation is seldom contemplated by fellow kendoka in the first place.

that work for everyone?

[Roberto]

I, white and minority,
.

I doubt that where you are (unless you're not now in Japan) that white is the mayority.

:silly:

[atgm]

I doubt that where you are (unless you're not now in Japan) that white is the mayority.

:silly:

You kind of did a bad job of quoting me since it looks like I'm saying I'm white /and/ minority...

Anyway, I was trying to say "white and non-white" in a polite way, since MartialArtsGirl is posting from America. My point is that you find all kinds of people doing kendo, just like you would almost anything else.

[Peter West]

I've been working really hard on developing my feminine side recently. She's turned out to be a lesbian. Does that count?

[vedenant]

I am a little annoyed that this thread has devolved into random men making heteronormative jokes...

Why is that a bad thing?

Isn't a lack of "serious" answers a sign of a lack of "serious" consideration, meaning that people are more worried of contracting fungus of a foot, than practicing with people of different color, creed or orientation? This should not be taken as a sign of not having consideration towards other people, but more as a sign of belonging into the same kendonormative, or budonormative group, that is allowed a certain level of intranormative hazing, right? Remember the infamous "What europeans think of eachother" thread, that went along nicely without too loud cries / accusations of racism.

My chosen path is HYR, which is koryu grappling with healthy dose of weapons practice thrown in. I my self have never worried about these things, despite having regular close contact with the members of the dojo.

Besides, if a persons normative group is, say martian, it is quite difficult to make venusnormative jokes with out sounding stupid. That is because you are, after all, out of touch with that particular culture, right? On the other hand, I do admit that the venusians might not see anything funny about the jokes at all. But IMHO jokes are based on the jokesters cultural norm, and they have cultural connotations, there fore they might not be all that funny to all, but they are certainly not a threat to anybody here.

P.S. Yeah I propably shouldn't have posted while on crack....:eek:

[Peter West]

Why is that a bad thing?

Isn't a lack of "serious" answers a sign of a lack of "serious" consideration, meaning that people are more worried of contracting fungus of a foot, than practicing with people of different color, creed or orientation? This should not be taken as a sign of not having consideration towards other people, but more as a sign of belonging into the same kendonormative, or budonormative group, that is allowed a certain level of intranormative hazing, right? Remember the infamous "What europeans think of eachother" thread, that went along nicely without too loud cries / accusations of racism.

My chosen path is HYR, which is koryu grappling with healthy dose of weapons practice thrown in. I my self have never worried about these things, despite having regular close contact with the members of the dojo.

Besides, if a persons normative group is, say martian, it is quite difficult to make venusnormative jokes with out sounding stupid. That is because you are, after all, out of touch with that particular culture, right? On the other hand, I do admit that the venusians might not see anything funny about the jokes at all. But IMHO jokes are based on the jokesters cultural norm, and they have cultural connotations, there fore they might not be all that funny to all, but they are certainly not a threat to anybody here.

P.S. Yeah I propably shouldn't have posted while on crack....:eek:


Conversely (or is it contrarily, never mind): Perhaps men generally find the tendency to segregate women by women and expect some kind of special respect for their women-ness to be divisive and unnatural. Sure women have had a hard time in the past, and in some cultures still do. But for women to often separate themselves away and expect to be treated differently when the same is not allowed to men, then there is a positive discrimination going on. The very fact that there is a women's section on this forum and not a men's section is symptomatic of the problem. How would women generally feel if this forum had a men's section, but no women's section?

[Nokori 3byo]

The very fact that there is a women's section on this forum and not a men's section is symptomatic of the problem.

What? Doesn't the Seven Smutty Samurai Chat Thread fill that role nicely?

While I'm here, I might as well say that I knew this thread would go south the moment I saw the title. I mean, what would happen if you logged on to say, enjoyingwaffles.net and posted a thread called "Do Lesbians Ever Enjoy Waffles?" Well, if you've spent any amount of time on the internet, then you'll know that it would be greeted with a certain amount of smartassery.

To the OP, please don't assume any of us would have a problem with you for being a lesbian. It's a sign of...well, mistrust.

Just get to a dojo and get back to us, OK? I, for my part, support you.

[Peter West]

What? Doesn't the Seven Smutty Samurai Chat Thread fill that role nicely?

That's only a single thread set up by a (perhaps) like-minded person. I'm talking about a whole section concerning men's issues in kendo.

Also, as another example, I have seen advertised Women's Kendo seminars (where presumably men are not welcome). That would be fine IF and only if we could be sure that there would be no objection to Men's Kendo Seminars (where women would not be welcome).

[Kendoka_Han]

Fine with me. I'll just focus on doing Kendo. Which was what I was going to do anyway.

Well then now you know why its a bad idea to try your "lucky stars" to see if there were lesbian practitioners here for you to hook onto.

So, stop being the typical sexually lustful sinner that you are, and live life properly!

Homosexuals CAN turn towards a righteous leaf!

P.S I am not homophobic. Just providing a harsh / factual comment, based on the quote above.

[Mr. T.]

So, stop being the typical sexually lustful sinner that you are, and live life properly!


Han, it's because I can't give you a negative rep anymore, but:
STFU


Homosexuals CAN turn towards a righteous leaf!

Get your facts right and go to a biology class you nitwit, it's a biological thing you moron! Homosexuality is some thing you are or aren't, it's not a choice.



P.S I am not homophobic.

Yes you are!!! She has enough fear of not being accepted a she is, she doen't need your crap.

[Peter West]

Get your facts right and go to a biology class you nitwit, it's a biological thing you moron! Homosexuality is some thing you are or aren't, it's not a choice.


Like being a Christian perhaps?
:):evil:

[sirius1906]

Han, it's because I can't give you a negative rep anymore,

* remove kendoka_han from ignore list
* give - rep
* add kendoka_han to ignore list

done.

[Roberto]

You kind of did a bad job of quoting me since it looks like I'm saying I'm white /and/ minority...

Anyway, I was trying to say "white and non-white" in a polite way, since MartialArtsGirl is posting from America. My point is that you find all kinds of people doing kendo, just like you would almost anything else.

Sorry I didn't notice I left it like "I, white and minority". it was suppoused to be without the "I"
But that depens where in America you mean. Canada and United States white is mayority, but Mexico is minority (I mean white Mexicans), and the same for Central and South America.

And for the original title thread, it really doesn't matters for a lot of us (and I like to think that it won't matter). But have to be realistic and somewhere sometime might be discrimination because of a person sexual orientation as in many places and activities has shown.
So in kendous philosophy it doesn't matter, but it could matter to some senseis or senpais. Saiying that it won't it would be lying to you MartialArtsGirl.

So I hope that you can find a doujou where you feel good, which is the most important. But you won't know how it will be until you are there. So when your schedule lets you, givi it a try ;)

[Paikea]

* remove kendoka_han from ignore list
* give - rep
* add kendoka_han to ignore list

done.Ditto. I've said this before, but enough should really be enough. Our Australian jackass is only here to push his ignorant, twisted religious agenda. Pull the trigger, please. I'd rather see Issac Ru's brand of hatred than this crap.

[Inner_Silence]

Yes you are!!! She has enough fear of not being accepted a she is, she doen't need your crap.

I think that kendoka-han's homophobic sayings are actually his own way of convince himself that he is totally afraid to come out of the closet!

LOL

[Kendoka_Han]

STFU

Wham! I am really surprised by the flack! :confused2


She has enough fear of not being accepted a she is, she doen't need your crap.

Why then does she provide a useless thread that SUBTLY indicates a type of...dating?

If at all, she should have been more forth coming and mature AT FIRST than rebuke us and act like she didnt care at the end.

Re-read what I quoted before.

And no, its not biological to be gay or straight. Its the way you are brought up in life. ALL kids at the age of 9-14 have the potential to be Gay or Straight.

Sadly, there are those that are exposed to the more gay side of things...

[Kendoka_Han]

I think that kendoka-han's homophobic sayings are actually his own way of convince himself that he is totally afraid to come out of the closet!

LOL

LOL I couldnt wait for someone to finally say this :laugh:

[Davey]

you are a boob there i said it and now i feel better

[Bucho]

MartialArtsGirl, I'm sorry that this can of worms exploded in your face on one of your first posts. Hope this thread hasn't been too bad of an experience for you, that you actually managed to glean something useful from it and that you didn't take some of the joking too hard. I'd like to think that if the question had been phrased a little differently it would have been responded to differently but then there are always bad apples like kendoka_han.....


* remove kendoka_han from ignore list
* give - rep
* add kendoka_han to ignore list

done.

ditto.

[Inner_Silence]

I think that kendoka-kan needs to start dating girls... I think that his words reflct and overwhelming amount of onanism practice instead of getting laid...

[Kendoka_Han]

I think that kendoka-kan needs to start dating girls... I think that his words reflct and overwhelming amount of onanism practice instead of getting laid...

How much of truth would you think is in your statement? ;)

0.1% or 99.91%?

[hobbit]

How much of truth would you think is in your statement? ;)

0.1% or 99.91%?

Poll anyone??? :laugh:

[Inner_Silence]

Im 100% sure that Im 100% sure

[ZtefaNNN[K]]

alvaro, I think you have some kind of special appeal to aussies. he´s trying to date you.

[Kendoka_Han]

Im 100% sure that Im 100% sure

AND the bid is going at 100%...

Going ONCE...........Going TWICE........

Come on now...better be a better bid than this! :confused2

[ShinKenshi]

Having given in to my curiosity, I glanced at one of Mr. Bible-thumper's posts and would like to respond to it. There have been studies done between gay and straight individuals and evidence suggests that biologically some are wired to be gay and others straight. This is by no means conclusive and studies that suggest people become gay due to traumatic life experiences as a child are also not definitive. The only thing that is agreed upon is that social and biological research has only begun to delve into this highly sensitive topic.

KendokaHan's assertion that people chose to be gay because of some immoral sexual lust is completely unfounded and seems to indicate that he believes a hypocritical argument: gays are lustful sinners and he's perfectly welcome to surround himself with women. Let's not forget that he admitted to us all that he masqueraded as a high ranking kendoka in an effort to boost his own ego, revealing himself as a liar with one of the most narrow, self-righteous views on life that we have ever seen and is in dire need of a reality check.

[sirius1906]

...must spread more rep, blah blah blah. i owe you one, dave.

ps: lock this thread up.

[ReKru]

Originally Posted by Kendoka_Han http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?p=363374#post363374)
P.S I am not homophobic.


Yes you are!!! She has enough fear of not being accepted a she is, she doen't need your crap.

He might have a point there. Reminds me a lot of that Soutpark guy's interview: "I'm not sexist or racist, I hate all people equally".

In that light, we might have a rare case of "Omniphobia" here (which explains a lot of things actually). So, he does not deserve our opposition, but rather a bit of compassion.
If, however, he keeps trodding the way of the sword, inevitable he will learn to deal with his all-embracing angst.

[Maku-san]

I think this thread should have been locked up waaaayyyy back there, when it started going off on a tangent, with or without the input of our Christian brother there. :confused2

[dohrt]

Late as usual to the thread, but, hmm. I have no idea if homosexual women do kendo. I know a few gay women, but the ones I know well enough to know they are gay don't do kendo. And the women I know that do kendo, well, wow, I really have no idea. It's not really a big subject for discussion. And I would say the same thing about the hetero crowd; guy or girl, if they have a significant other, probably I won't hear about or know, unless they are married wearing a ring, or if it comes up in some significant way (e.g. I will be gone next week because my husband and I are flying to see his parents).

More interesting, I think, is the general topic of the personalities of women that gravitate towards kendo than their sexual orientation. And men for that matter, but maybe not so much in this thread.

I have to say that I don't see too many super-athletic women showing up for beginner kendo class, which is much like the men who show up.

I know lots of guys who played every sport there was in high school, who hit the gym 5 times a week, and who are incredibly gifted natural athletes and who are in amazing physical condition. None of those guys I know do kendo, haha. Most guys I know who do kendo are in ok shape (above average for sure), and are the guys who never really were all that athletic in younger years.

The same seems to be true of women.

Yea, there are some women and men who come to kendo and who are extremely athletic, but I think that's far less common.

I do notice a difference, though, in beginners that are male versus female, which again I suspect has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Most women that do kendo tend to focus more on form, whereas men tend to get stuck on too much power/speed. Of course, we all have to learn good form eventually (someday!), but for men it seems like they want to do it with POWER right from the getgo, and women will do it slowly and softly to get the form right sooner.

It seems to me, however, that kendo teaches you to be aggressive in a very calm way. There are more experienced women (and men) who can scare the dickens out of me just with their kamae and kiai, before they even attack. Aggression and threat seep from every pore of their presence and spirit. And yet, talk to any one of those outside of keiko, and they are the warmest, most unthreatening people you might ever meet. You would never ever guess they could be so scary when they are wearing bogu. That never ceases to shock me, actually.

Anyways, one of the great things about the forums is you can ask these kinds of questions with a relatively larger amount of safety; dealing with the fallout from confrontational types is much easier than at the dojo. Yea, it can be hurtful when people don't react to a post the way you hope, but it happens. If it bothers you, well, that's something you have to learn to deal with, but in the greater scheme of things I don't think it should affect your non-cyber kendo endeavors, and I don't think it should stop you from posting here.

[ghostdancer]

hey martialarts girl, just ignore that prat KendokaHan he is not representative of the vast majority of this forum, just go to Kendo and enjoy
just be your self and have fun

other peoples opinion of your sexuality matters not one little bit if your are sorted about it your self.

basically sod em

[Wesley Myers]

I think this thread should have been locked up waaaayyyy back there, when it started going off on a tangent, with or without the input of our Christian brother there. :confused2

I do not often agree with limits on free-speech, but/especially in our politically-correct nightmare of a world we are forced to live in, I have to agree. This thread should have been locked up a LONG time ago.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Sorry, had stopped checking it. Lockeroonie.