senda kobo HAND MADE BAMBOO SHINAI

[katana]

仙田工房 senda kobo HAND MADE BAMBOO SHINAI (http://kendo2002hk.mysinablog.com/resserver.php?blogId=44371&resource=1672594-SANY0273.JPG&mode=medium):laugh:

http://www.sendakobo.com/

http://kendo2002hk.mysinablog.com/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=1415916

http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/sendakobo-kendo/

http://kendo2002hk.mysinablog.com/index.php?op=ArticleListing&postCategoryId=131332

[Raindrop]

Wow! Shmexy! That brown bogu is also very pretty. :ditsy:

Does it do anything special except everyone else wanting to kick your fancy ass when you use it? :evil:

[Maradiondo]

I am drooling........I want one.........I wish I understood what the webpage is explaining to see all the diferent items they offer.

[Massimo]

230$ for a shinai? This is crazy!

[Maku-san]

Massimo-san:

Well, look at it this way... Ferrari vs... uh... Ford Escort? :D

[MikeW]

They look nice but not worth the money IMHO. I can get handmade madake for half the price.

[Massimo]

Yes, ferrari is crazy :D

anyway.. I think 230 it's really too much for a shinai .. my opinion

[dwez]

And moving on from that blog there's a human support stocking https://sv51.wadax.ne.jp/~eikobudogu-com/ecshop/html/user_data/bak.php




...I know what it is.

[easye]

those are sweet!

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[Maku-san]

Danged thing looks like Ultraman's or Kikaida's uniform... :laugh:

[jjcruiser]

I see the shinai. What are the other things? What's a "sado"? It looks like a very pretty baseball bat.

[DCPan]

Massimo-san:

Well, look at it this way... Ferrari vs... uh... Ford Escort? :D

Not sure I go there :D

Pimping the bamboo up with color dyes isn't exactly performance enhancing....

[dwez]

Pimping the bamboo up with color dyes isn't exactly performance enhancing....

Aah, but you could get it to match your tsuru and that's all that matters!

[Maradiondo]

Things can also be valued for the aesthetic quality aside from their performance. They are beautiful. They can make a beautiful arrangement in a sword stand in your office

[DCPan]

Things can also be valued for the aesthetic quality aside from their performance. They are beautiful. They can make a beautiful arrangement in a sword stand in your office

Was referring to the Ford vs. Ferrari statement....

Honestly though, I don't think those shinai are beautiful either...way over done....

I prefer 'beauty in function' over 'beauty over function'...shinai like that is really only good for display at that price...for that money, I'd get a nice display bokuto over a shinai any day.

[xvikingx]

Is advertising now okay as long as it’s not for a ninja dojo?

Enjoy your $230 shinai. My $30 one works just fine and has lasted almost a year now (daily practice btw).
Affordable and practical. Ford Escort please!

[Maradiondo]

I have nothing to do with that company. I just stated that they are beautiful. I love wood work and I though that the tinting of the shinai was a beautiful job. And I am sorry to say, but price is as relative as anything. what may be expensive for someone may not be perceived as such by someone else. That my friend is what moves the world. different opinions and different perceptions make this a truly more fun to live world. So you enjoy your Ford Escort and I am sure someone will enjoy his Ferrari. The catch here is that both parties are happy with what they are driving with out caring what the other one drives.......or what he paid for it.......

[xvikingx]

Uh... Again like DC Pan I was just refering to the Ferrari vs Ford Escort comment and not really directing my comment at anyone in particular. Accept for the advertising bit, I'm sure why this is being allowed but people jump at the chance to berate some guy who post a "kenjutstu" seminar link a year before.
Either way, don't take it so personal.

[Maradiondo]

I am sorry. It was a perception mistake on my side. Thank you for the clarification and once again an apology for my hasty assumptions on your comments.

[xvikingx]

No worries.

[katana]

A serious is only YEN15000 (USD150<),The Taiwan REAL BAMBOO

[MikeW]

I'll still take hand made madake which usually runs USD $100-120. The whole ferrari vs escort argument is in my mind ridiculous as I am not into kendo for showy equipment and I truly do not believe that these shinai have any functional advantage over a plain looking hand made Japanese madake shinai.

[Hank]

In general:

A shinai is just a consumable tool to hit people with. I'll go with the hammer analogy. These fancy shinai are like souped-up hammers. Any roofer I know wouldn't be caught dead with one.

I'm only interested in a shinai's cost and the reputation of the company, with balance and endurance figuring in somewhere under that. How it looks never enters the equation for me.

[Fonsz]

Just to add some oil on the fire.
The cheapest shinai from China, Taiwan or wherever can last me a year. The expensive ones, Akatsuki, Jissen or whatever fancy name they have splinter after two months. The moment you treat them with tender loving care they disintegrate after one practice. I think it's a plot to buy more expensive ones to keep the market going. A bail out if you wish.:eek:

[dwez]

I'm still of the opinion the e-bogu rengi is the most durable shinai I've ever had. It's good value cheap, cheap. It's not too cool for jigeiko but it's a great 'workhorse' shinai.

[H.Sandsleth]

It's a good christmas present, for the kendoka who have all.

[DCPan]

Just to add some oil on the fire.
The cheapest shinai from China, Taiwan or wherever can last me a year. The expensive ones, Akatsuki, Jissen or whatever fancy name they have splinter after two months. The moment you treat them with tender loving care they disintegrate after one practice. I think it's a plot to buy more expensive ones to keep the market going. A bail out if you wish.:eek:

+1 on that...none of my madake ever lasted longer than my regular shinai. They usually break earlier, probably because they've sat on the shelf longer.

Actually, I was speaking with one of my older teachers on the phone of the weekend, and he thought madake was just a marketing ploy too as he never heard people make a fuss about madake shinai while he was growing up and doing kendo....

I don't even bother with madake anymore...one time, a shinai vendor pulled me over and handed me six shinai tinted the same way and said, "Can you tell which one is madake?"

I looked and looked, and couldn't. He said, he couldn't either, without looking at the marking on the bag from the factory. That kind of sealed the deal for me. He said he did that on purpose because he wanted to know if there was a difference, so he had the factory make it the same way, and only 1 of those 6 shinai was madake.

I'm sure shinai experts who can feel the density of the bamboo can tell the difference, but since I can't, I'm not paying for it. :D

[Maku-san]

Not sure I go there :D

Pimping the bamboo up with color dyes isn't exactly performance enhancing....

My intent was more along the lines of: both have 4 wheels, an engine, a body, etc. It all depends on what you want to do with the Ferrari or the Ford: pick up hot chicks or save gas? :laugh:

[NigelSponge]

awesome shinais!



until the 5th practice and they break as punishment for spending $230 on a shinai haha

beautiful items never the less!

[katana]

THESE IE NOT MODEN　ｔｉｎｔｉｎｇ　, it　ｌｏｓｔ　ｌｏｎｇ　ｔｉｍｅ　ａｇｏ　's stain　tech.

it use in early Japanese ｓａｄｏ (TEA DAO)

很具有收藏價值　亞洲茶道博物館　有收藏　仙田的茶具　以及併列入亞洲一級工藝品．．．所以不是只有　顏色 差異而已　作工上也是細緻的手工　〔早期只接單ｍａｓｔｅｒ〕並無介入　一般市場

[braxtonhicks]

My intent was more along the lines of: both have 4 wheels, an engine, a body, etc. It all depends on what you want to do with the Ferrari or the Ford: pick up hot chicks or save gas? :laugh:

With all the money you'd save having a Ford Escort over a Ferrari, you could by yourself another kind of "escort"....then you're saving gas, and still have a hot chick. :laugh:

[DCPan]

THESE IE NOT MODEN　ｔｉｎｔｉｎｇ　, it　ｌｏｓｔ　ｌｏｎｇ　ｔｉｍｅ　ａｇｏ　's stain　tech.

it use in early Japanese ｓａｄｏ (TEA DAO)

很具有收藏價值　亞洲茶道博物館　有收藏　仙田的茶具　以及併列入亞洲一級工藝品．．．所以不是只有　顏色 差異而已　作工上也是細緻的手工　〔早期只接單ｍａｓｔｅｒ〕並無介入　一般市場

Yeah yeah whatever. I know the sellers in Taiwan PERSONALLY. All that isn't going to matter the moment you hit somebody with it. If you're not going to hit somebody with it, then it's a different matter entirely.

[DCPan]

With all the money you'd save having a Ford Escort over a Ferrari, you could by yourself another kind of "escort"....then you're saving gas, and still have a hot chick. :laugh:

IMHO, if you have to pay to get someone to notice you, you've lost either way :D

[Kenzan]

I prefer a canvas sack with a lock on it.
Navy Sea-bag aught to do it.

Oops..
Wrong thread.







Well, I stand by my comment.

[Maku-san]

I prefer a canvas sack with a lock on it.
Navy Sea-bag aught to do it.

Oops..
Wrong thread.







Well, I stand by my comment.

*TSK* Kenzan-san... we've dwelt upon too much Goro-chan/Goro-Hulk chatter. Perhaps we should move on past the cheese-gasms. :laugh:

[braxtonhicks]

IMHO, if you have to pay to get someone to notice you, you've lost either way :D

Indeed! And usually in kendo most people try to NOT stick out or be noticed.

Well, on topic, yes, it seems a little ridiculous for $230 for a consumable item like a shinai. I suppose if you wanted to get one for someone for passing an advanced degree at shinsa it would be cool. I'd definitely want fellow dojo-mates pitching in on the cost of one of those puppies! Still, for a gift for someone passing their hachidan or something, they might view a $230 shinai as something unnecessary or silly. I think a hachidan could do great kendo with a carrot. And not a special madake-smoked-bio-carrot, just a regular orange one.

I'm thinking, (at least from my noob point of view) the only reason to pay more for a shinai might be for durability or because you need something special for functional reasons...thick grip, dobari, better quality bamboo,...but obviously you can spend south of $230 pretty easily.

Still, they do LOOK cool.

[Del Gesu]

I was in japan first time I see senda shinai is in a kendo-masters hand{I was thinking why master holding a charcoal for}than he told me how it's made!

still It takes me 6 month time to think over and decide to buy.
2weeks ago I just own two of sanda shinais .no doubt this shinais look very attractive.the finish are heart touching! and nice packing box,cool shinai bag comes with too.
Sorry for me to say this. I think if you are a kendo people ,we should not comment on some people's work by our own mind.the true will come when things or times comes.
allow me say something how it done and why it cost 150-230usd
the bamboo are all top quality so it worth to do things below
they use Japan ancient stains work to heightent the strength of bamboo
very fine finish work each shinia takes 1 year to prepare room and sun dry.few days to make than 1 month time to work on ancient stains!
2 weeks just to do the finish polish!
so it means to me what I own is not just a shinai I own his work.
shinai with soul !!
if you go to japan's profession buko shop you can see senda's item in very first eye! there customers are all pro!!!

If someone still shinai function is just to hit.I suggest baseball bate is lot better than any shinais. maybe baseball game is better for him too
like my jap friend just said want to use cheap shinai {think chopsticks} thay make it from chopstick bamboo!!:
so~ ken{do}do mean's how you respect kendo culture respec your self and your enemy {not just kick ...hit... something with shinai}shinai{sword} is the soul of your kendo

[Del Gesu]

If someone still {think}shinai function is just to hit.I suggest ........miss word

[Attica]

I don't think anyone is calling into question the beauty, quality, grandeur of the item nor the hard work that went into making it. What they are saying is that for them, non-professional participants in Kendo, it's just not worth the cost. You don't spend thousands of dollars on a guitar when you never even play a concert.

[DCPan]

What they are saying is that for them, non-professional participants in Kendo, it's just not worth the cost.

In the various photos of the kendo mags, I've almost never seen the pros use any of the fancy colored rimmed tsuka or any of the off-colored shinai.


If someone still {think}shinai function is just to hit.I suggest ........miss word

Personally, the most beautiful shinai I've ever seen are those shinai that have been well used and maintained. A faint hint of indigo-dyed on the tsuka from well used kote that has bled most of it's dye and the shinai staves burnished with many rounds of uchikomi.

An unplayed shinai, for me, is lifeless at best. Much like a musical instrument left unplayed is a dead instrument at best.

Things are most beautiful when they are being used the way they were intended to.

YMMV.

[JByrd]

Indeed! And usually in kendo most people try to NOT stick out or be noticed.


It's OK be noticed in Kendo, as long as the reason you stand out is because you're better at it than everyone else. :)

[braxtonhicks]

It's OK be noticed in Kendo, as long as the reason you stand out is because you're better at it than everyone else. :)

So my Toronto Maple Leafs Do is not a good idea. I was wondering.

[Del Gesu]

Much like a musical instrument left unplayed is a dead instrument at best.

Things are most beautiful when they are being used the way they were intended to

nice~ i do agree!! { unplayed is a dead }
but still there is a 150-15000usd new-violin in instrument-store for people who need to choose!!to bring them a life.
no matter which we own respec it!!!

[psycho4speed]

I just sanded my shinai to make it dull and bought myself wood finish from Home Depot.
Just made the value of my shinai go up more than 4 times.
Anyone one to buy one for $199.00. It's a deal compare to the one in Japan.
HAHAHAHA
BTW, those shinais do look tight.

[Maradiondo]

Well, after a lot of looking into the pictures in the web of the shinai in sendakobo, and being a wood craftsmanship lover, I order a pair. I asked for information in English and an amazing well mannered and extremely helpful person by the name of Leo helped me by providing all the information I asked for. I took me about 4 weeks of back and forth electronic communiqués to finally make my mind and I order a pair of Daikoku tinted shinai.
They are simply beautiful. I agree with everyone here, they wont make my Kendo better, they will not help my with my technique, they will not make faster, or stronger or better prepared mentally for what kendo is. They do however make me realize of the power of beauty. They do make me see, especially in times like the ones we are living, that we are capable of making beautiful things.
The beauty is in its simplicity. Beauty held captive in an everyday working instrument. I truly thank the craftsman that made this shinai. The fact that you can pour so much time and dedication to such a simple objects make it even more beautiful in my mind. So again, not to fuel the fires of argument I am in not way saying that they will improve my kendo in any way, form or matter. But they do impact my mind as seeing any object of beauty does. It does makes me thank the person or persons that took the time to make an ordinary everyday use object and raise it above the usual aesthetics to make it a thing of wonder. They are simply beautiful.
I have some pictures but they simply do not make them any justice. I will try to post them none the less.

[Maradiondo]

I cannot post more pictures because I am over my quota.....sorry for the inconvinience

[Masahiro]

try no flash, but macro, and a high iso in a well lit room and see if that works better for the photo.

[Maradiondo]

I have better pictures But I canot upload them because I am over my quota (thats the message I get when I try to upload them). Size wise they are small so I dont think thats the issue.

[sirius1906]

put them on photobucket, flickr, or something like that, then give us the link.

[Del Gesu]

Here have some photos of new2009 shinai on Leo's flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11277043@N05/?saved=1

[Legionario]

And usually in kendo most people try to NOT stick out or be noticed.
That shows how much kendo is interlaced with japanese culture. As they say: "出る杭は打たれる..."



With all the money you'd save having a Ford Escort over a Ferrari, you could by yourself another kind of "escort"....then you're saving gas, and still have a hot chick.
Words of wisdom. :chinese:


Anyways, I respect everybody's position as it is not necessary to have an opinion on people who like to spend their hard-earned money on expensive shinai, that's their business and I'm fine with it.
On my side, those cheap 16 euro chinese kobangata shinai that I buy in bulk in Seoul truly make my day.

[Messerschmitt]

Seriously...that much for 1 shinai? There's no reason to use this shinai unless if you're super rich.
And Ford vs Ferrari...
That's not a fair comparison because Ford is less reliable than a shinai.
This shinai better come with a carrying bag, maintenance kit, and a coffin...because once I break it, I have to give it a proper burial for my money.

[mikeingeorgia]

After seeing these shinai I would have to agree that they are very beautiful. I don't think I'd want to use them for practice though, probably more for a display.
I have 3 watches, 2 of which are very beautiful, mechanical watches. They hardly ever get worn, only for special occassions. On the other hand, my inexpensive digital watch gets worn almost every day to work. That's my analogy of the whole situation :square: