Interesting/Puzzling split

[Gishin]

One of the top Nami-Ryu guys that was a teacher and branch leader has split form his beloved and real martial art and seems very adamant to tell us he has and wants no ties with James Williams and Nami-Ryu.

What could have possibly happen smells strange.

Here is the original post from E-budo

http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?p=473515#post473515

[ShinKenshi]

So he's breaking from James Williams and Nami Ryu and is going to go and make something of his own? Somehow that whole microcosm of self-blended sword arts seems to have had a small explosion. Who else is scratching their head right now?:confused:

[Gishin]

Yes from his statement it sounds like he is going to make up his own thing just like James Williams did. Or maybe is is somehow sincere and will cling to a real school.

Seriously it always puzzled me why Williams had to make his own school. The old schools were not good enough? The old schools were not available? and the questions go on and on. I mostly think that is all about business and the cult of personality. If he was so serious he would have got into a real Koryu and stayed long enough to get a license. Why did he never do this with Kuroda Tetsuzan anyway?

Now that being said the main reason why it freaks me out that much is that James Williams and Nami Ryu is the equivalent of Ed Parker and all the other crapola karate, Tae Kwon/Tang soo etc schools in the states that popped everywhere with bogus claims etc. All he really achieved is open the doors to bullshit of this type but with swords and with time people will get injured and there will be more rules and troubles for legit people to actually practice. Plus it will also attract your regular redneck and fantasy freak so will serve to lower the overall quality of Koryu and make us all look like idiots.

The issue when old stuff gets to the U.S.A especially is that it get overblown commercially and there is a general sense that it has to be sold to has much people has possible. Elsewhere this feeling does not come out has much. here in Canada we do not have this issue has much and most sword things are under the umbrella of the Kendo federation which in a way is a very good thing.

[ShinKenshi]

At the very least he's upfront about it. In the end though, if that's what he wants to do, no power in the world can stop him and all we can hope for is that he continues to be honest about what he teaches and makes it clear that he's making it up as he goes along.

[tattooedasshole]

One of the top Nami-Ryu guys that was a teacher and branch leader has split form his beloved and real martial art and seems very adamant to tell us he has and wants no ties with James Williams and Nami-Ryu.

What could have possibly happen smells strange.

Here is the original post from E-budo

http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?p=473515#post473515

Do you have anything other than your infatuation with James Williams to add to the forum?

[Gishin]

Do you have anything other than your infatuation with James Williams to add to the forum?

Your name fits you totally!

Tatooed.....hole.

IF you are not happy about what I said then just let it pass. I feel that this was interesting and my infatuation as you call it is most likely based on your ignorance. The more we protect or cover frauds of his type the more Japanese sword arts will get bastardized by idiots and just get degraded to parlor tricks. Japanese sword arts were never meant for the masses anyway or when they are like Kendo you need a federation with clear guidelines which does not exist with Koryu and since it does not exisit it is left to the bad taste of the unscrupulous individual.

[Luke]

well, you just prove the tattooed one right. you have nothing else to contribute than your infatuation with james williams.

[hl1978]

Do you have anything other than your infatuation with James Williams to add to the forum?

I don't know a ton about James Williams, but I can say that his explanations behind how to generate power when performing tameshigiri as shown on his "Time Warp" segment are clearly influenced by his systema experiences.

[Gishin]

well, you just prove the tattooed one right. you have nothing else to contribute than your infatuation with james williams.


And your comment serves what? That you can go online and demonize someone uselessly. Remember I am only bring facts about this stuff and so far there was a clear discussion with no flame wars so far. Until tatooed*** and you came along to turn this in a flame war that serves nothing other than your satisfaction of blowing stuff up. For what reason? all I am doing is bring to the public my straight opinion and facts about this stuff so that maybe some people reading this that have less knowledge will say maybe this foll as a point maybe not but it will make them think twice before the join nami ryu. As I also said before I have no infatuation with the guy just that he is the more visible one of those made up schools so that now he seems to be the owner of samurai crap on general media TV/magazines. I can dress up a list of all the made up schools that fall under this category.

[tattooedasshole]

And your comment serves what? That you can go online and demonize someone uselessly.
Do you read what you type? Kettle calling the pot black.?

[tattooedasshole]

I don't know a ton about James Williams, but I can say that his explanations behind how to generate power when performing tameshigiri as shown on his "Time Warp" segment are clearly influenced by his systema experiences.

Aside from the entertainment value, I realy don't give a rat's ass about him, or his school.

[Gishin]

Aside from the entertainment value, I realy don't give a rat's ass about him, or his school.


Ok you don't give a rats ass about nami-ryu this is cool with me. I feel that it is worth the time to expose crap like nami-ryu and I chose to sometimes spend time to write about it. So if you truly do not care why the heck you are there bashing me? If you had time to spend on stuff of this kind you should at least bash frauds fakes etc. It surely shows from all the stuff you have written towards me that you are the one that clearly needs to needlessly put down my efforts.

[tattooedasshole]

Ok you don't give a rats ass about nami-ryu this is cool with me. I feel that it is worth the time to expose crap like nami-ryu and I chose to sometimes spend time to write about it. So if you truly do not care why the heck you are there bashing me? If you had time to spend on stuff of this kind you should at least bash frauds fakes etc. It surely shows from all the stuff you have written towards me that you are the one that clearly needs to needlessly put down my efforts.

No, I put down your needless efforts. You seem to have based your reason for joining this forum on your dislike for nami-ryu. This type of childish behavior should be laughed at not praised. Why don't you try properly representing the art you do study, instead of worying about James Williams.

[Gishin]

No, I put down your needless efforts. You seem to have based your reason for joining this forum on your dislike for nami-ryu. This type of childish behavior should be laughed at not praised. Why don't you try properly representing the art you do study, instead of worying about James Williams.


Then just don't mind what I write this is all. You are truly the one as I said that is bashing me for needless reasons. Again this is an internet forum and it is easy to demonize me by assuming and writing that I have nothing else to do etc. Come on! There is 24 hours in a day and I have lots to do more than this. But it is you that is assuming and writing stuff implying that I am this and that. Also I did join this forum much before posting anything on James Williams just turns out I wrote so far more about him and his circus that's all. Again only it is only you assuming/implying stuff to put me down.

[Rennis]

In my experience in the US, a large percentage of the people who start sword arts tend to be more interested in the image of sword arts they bring with them rather than the real deal per se and end up quiting very quickly when they realize that the reality doesn't match their image. Several years ago I might have gotten bent out of shape about these self made schools, but now I figure let them be. They serve as a good filter for those type of people. The people who should be doing the "real deal" eventually seem to figure things out and get where they should be and having these schools around is fine as it saves everyone time, either in training in something they aren't interested in or in teaching people who don't want to learn. As one of my sensei said to me "You should be able to call a spade a spade when nessecary, but more often than not, simply ignoring them is the proper course of action."

Random thoughts,
Rennis Buchner

[Jason Anstey]

Then just don't mind what I write this is all. You are truly the one as I said that is bashing me for needless reasons. Again this is an internet forum and it is easy to demonize me by assuming and writing that I have nothing else to do etc. Come on! There is 24 hours in a day and I have lots to do more than this. But it is you that is assuming and writing stuff implying that I am this and that. Also I did join this forum much before posting anything on James Williams just turns out I wrote so far more about him and his circus that's all. Again only it is only you assuming/implying stuff to put me down.

Hello Gishin,

If I may be so bold - this forum is generally about Kendo and the arts that come under the banner of the ZNKR What martial art do you study and what prompted you to register on this site?

Surely you have more to offer us here than your opinions on James Williams?

Yours in budo

Jason

[ben]

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[Gishin]

In my experience in the US, a large percentage of the people who start sword arts tend to be more interested in the image of sword arts they bring with them rather than the real deal per se and end up quiting very quickly when they realize that the reality doesn't match their image. Several years ago I might have gotten bent out of shape about these self made schools, but now I figure let them be. They serve as a good filter for those type of people. The people who should be doing the "real deal" eventually seem to figure things out and get where they should be and having these schools around is fine as it saves everyone time, either in training in something they aren't interested in or in teaching people who don't want to learn. As one of my sensei said to me "You should be able to call a spade a spade when nessecary, but more often than not, simply ignoring them is the proper course of action."

Random thoughts,
Rennis Buchner

Indeed what you said makes more than a lot of sense. It is just the way things are.

In the end we should not ignore that stuff and call them on their crap sometimes but not make it a mission and concentrate our energy on it instead of doing meaningful stuff. In the end we need to lean towards ignorance of their existence. anyway it is late and I had 2 choice since everybody is asleep #1 watch porn #2 bash James Williams and play word games. For me #2 was more meaningful maybe tomorrow it will be #1 :)


Unfortunately I was playing word games with a kid that should just have PM'd me instead of being viciously vindictive.
Wise words!

[ShinKenshi]

Gishin, nearly all of your posts are geared towards launching a crusade against Mr. Williams and his systems and while your desire to open the eyes of everyone in the world are admirable, not many of us here are interested in joining you. Yes, many of us here disagree with Mr. Williams' arguments and practices but using your account here only to lash out at him and others who you seem to disagree with won't win you many supporters. The tone of your posts have been confrontational and, while I agree that tattooedasshole's initial response was curt, you fired right back rather than make an attempt to keep things civil. The bottom line is that people here are and have been well aware of Mr. Williams and Nami-ryu for quite some time now so there's no need to go on about your opinions on the matter as it's all been hashed out before. Furthermore no one here is protecting him or any other sword art of questionable origin and to argue that lack of condemnation of said arts is the same as protecting them is simplistic and flawed. It might do you some good to change the tone of your posts (from defensive and combative to constructive) and even though this is a public forum, remember the underlying purpose of this particular forum and who reads these threads.

[Alex]

Ok you don't give a rats ass about nami-ryu this is cool with me. I feel that it is worth the time to expose crap like nami-ryu and I chose to sometimes spend time to write about it. So if you truly do not care why the heck you are there bashing me? If you had time to spend on stuff of this kind you should at least bash frauds fakes etc. It surely shows from all the stuff you have written towards me that you are the one that clearly needs to needlessly put down my efforts.

Gishin,

chill out or go away please.

[Bucho]

Gishin, thank you for the initial post. Someone who had attended my dojo ended up studying there, so I was interested in news about samurai arts. The info about nami ryu is already out for anyone who does a search. If you or anyone else has more info about the split or reasons for it please post, but the ranting is a bit much. If your feeling the need to flame perhaps there are more worthy causes. For instance, the movement to stop creationism from being taught in schools as a science could use your help or the movement to explain to people the illness isn't caused by alien ghosts who were brainwashed by an evil galactic overlord is always in need of more flamers.

[Gishin]

Hello Gishin,

If I may be so bold - this forum is generally about Kendo and the arts that come under the banner of the ZNKR What martial art do you study and what prompted you to register on this site?

Surely you have more to offer us here than your opinions on James Williams?

Yours in budo

Jason

Hi there!

In answer to your questions I do practice Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu when it comes to iaido and Kinko Ryu Shakuhachi honkyoku as well. That stuff was already written in kanji in my signature I should put it in English anyway since it would be more useful.

Indeed kendo-world is more concerned with ZNKR and does have a Kobudo and iaido section. I did register here a while back but lately I do feel that moderation here is more clean and also the main fact that people here are part of the ZNKR or near it in some way keeps stuff more clean and it attracts less ninjers and samurai wannabees.