How do you guys sell a gyaku do?

[skilled]

Just wanted to clear some points out


how do you guys use different zanshin for gyaku do

and in which situation ? =)

[Gideon]

How do you guys sell a gyaku do?

with fries and a soft drink for two bucks extra.

Seriously though, I've never scored with it. I am curious to see what others offer up in their responses.

[Trent]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR4hKDHIX5w

This is how you would sell it if you were a Japanese Senior High School Student

There is one at about 1.10 and another at 2.00

[JHusch]

For me it depends,

Sometimes I will follow it up with a quick, and sometimes rough tari-tari. This can be enough Zanzhin to show the judges that there was intent and it was a accidental strike.

Other times I can hit and step back at a angle and come to Chudan.

From what I have seen in my own experience it can be a very low percentage scoring chance. I normally will use it on someone who is constantly blocking men strikes.

[JHusch]

Errr Wasnt :)




was a accidental strike........

[skilled]

Errr Wasnt :)

what do you mean =)

[Norton]

what do you mean =)


He means that he does that to show the judges that it was NOT an accidental strike. He just corrected his typo in his previous post.

[rfoxmich]

..best way to sell a gyaku do? At auction.

How much am I bid for this nice loud gyaku do? It's barely been used Only by an old kenshi every other month.
10 dolla 10dolla over there ...

Never liked the idea of selling ipon to shinpan. You either got it or not. The shinpan either see it and award it or not. If they don't then ask yourself why they didn't not how to fake them into believing the same do as before.

[NigelSponge]

from what i've seen of gyaku do awarded in taikai, it has to look like you would have cut the guy in half and then run away really fast... lol

[The great I AM]

My local bougu shop usually sells them with the other half pre-attached, and a mune added on top. Looks great.

[skilled]

My local bougu shop usually sells them with the other half pre-attached, and a mune added on top. Looks great.

XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


no really , there is one way when you taitari your opponent after you've hit gyaku do when are you supposed to do that instead of just going forward

[Chaby]

I usually go for the gyaku-do when the aite is blocking frequently the men.
Do the seme as going for the men, when he raised the shinai, whamoo! and a zanshin as for hiki-waza.
Well, that's how I scored it.
;)

[Suiken]

Do the seme as going for the men, when he raised the shinai, whamoo! and a zanshin as for hiki-waza.
That is one way of Zanshin, but certainly you have to have benevolent Shimpan. I know some people who will never give Gyakudo, because
- they believe it is not a real sword fighting technique. A samurai would have the saya and the wakizashi on the side that you are hitting so you could not kill with this strike.
- they believe that you are simply not cut for such a competition technique, even you might have an excellent form.

Other kinds of zanshin for gyaku-do include getting close (to avoid beeing hit at the proper range), sometimes turning the body slightly to the left, still looking your opponent in the eye.
Also I have been taugh by a japanese 7dan to walk through on the left side by ayumiashi starting with the left foot.

To be honest, I like gyaku-do when I do jigeiko with friends sometimes, but it is not a waza I would use in competition or jigeiko with a junior.

[ii_kangae]

I agree. There are some shimpan who wont give it no matter how cleanly it lands. The local judges in my prefecture never give it but at the bigger all japan tournaments, gyakudou is scored quite regularily.

Gyakudou is fun to do, but when things dont go your way and you end up getting your men taken, it can be quite embarrassing.

[Paburo]

like a bomb, throw it and get the hell out of there....? :D

[rainmaker]

e-bay !!!!!!!!

[Inner_Silence]

gyaku do is a difficoult tecnique, in both ways, intha proper making of it and in the low posibillity that it would be an ippon by the shimpan.

personally, as I said I do it making a "seme for going men" and changing in the last moment. also I do it from taiatari doing hiki gyaku do, doing the same thing "faking" another strike to make an opening or just move my opponents shinai using the tsuka or my shinai. generally its easier to make any oppening in taiatari by pushing your opponent shinai in the same direction that you are going to strike (thats the opposite way that people may do it, but if you think about it it makes a lot of sense) for example pushing your opponent shinai upwards and then strike hiki men in the moment that your opponent lowers the shinai to go back to proper taiatari position, its some kind of "faking a fake strike". that way you move your opponents shinai to your right and strike when he goes back to center again. also I believe that striking hiki gyaku do its actually easier than striking the standard hiki do becouse in atiatari position, the right hand of your oponent is higher than the left hand leaving an opening in the right side.

for what Ive been told by sensei, in gyaku do a proper zanshin is fundamental for it to be an ippon, you have to show that you are certain that it is a ippon and no doubt about it, also you haveto try to strike it on the side, not on the front part and hitting as hard as you can to make it sound "BAM!!" if it doesnt make a really loud sound it probably wont be an ippon even if your zanshn is perfect. also try yo inmediately get the center with your shinai after striking, people generally move the tip to the side instead. that generally nulifies the ippon.

also I would like to add that gyaku do is genneraly scored as ippon when your opponent blocks men too much or moves the left hand over the head to protect the men, judges take it as a "you see?? thats what you get for being a wus and blocking too much instead of attacking".

and a tip that has worked for me is to strike gyaku do form taiatari to make a men opening and strike hiki men as your ippon, so its a "hiki-gyaku do-men" hit but you have to start by actually striking the gyaku do, not just fake it, that may make your opponent loose his focus by a moment and you use it to strike men.

[LarsCW]

What saw in the youtube vid was hiki gyako do if I'm not mistaken.

The only way how i think this would be possible is when you treathen to do men and then as your oponents shinaigoes up like those highschool kids did the whole time blocking the do would be open.

I've always been taught not to block I guess this is one reason for it.

Ofcourse when you are blocking you're not attacking.