Kendo as a balance to other arts

[Bear]

I'd like to get others opinions on the relationship between the practice of Kendo and that of another martial arts. How you find it help or changes the other art form.

If you practice more than one..what type of form does it seem to complement?

I'm new to the forum and Kendo and I find information like this very beneficial to training..I.E. Ninjutsu + Aikido

[Gen'ei]

I specialize in Jinkaisenjutsu.

[Nanbanjin]

I specialize in Jinkaisenjutsu.
So you keep saying...

[Mr.Tvola]

I'd like to get others opinions on the relationship between the practice of Kendo and that of another martial arts. How you find it help or changes the other art form.

If you practice more than one..what type of form does it seem to complement?

I'm new to the forum and Kendo and I find information like this very beneficial to training..I.E. Ninjutsu + Aikido

I had been doing kendo for about 7 years when I joined the university fencing club. Besides fencing is fun, I believe it helped me with my Kendo practice (and vice versa). There are many aspects, that are very similar in both fencing and Kendo. I stopped fencing about 2 years ago (too much work) but I hope to resume sometimes. Anyone else here tried fencing (epee?) ?

[mystic_kendoka]

i did foil for a while, then found kendo, i chose kendo because of my patriotic feeling to asia :P

[Otsuka]

So you keep saying...You should watch what you say about Gen'ei-san he and his brothers and sister are not to be taken likely, He will not answer to people that have no sense of verble honor when you get to finaly meet him you'll know what I'm talking about.:ko: having him as a student before takeing his fathers art was very vigorous in the art of Kenjutsu here in Hawaii, I represent the Hawaii Kendo Kenkyukai here in Oa'hu and know the rights of being a sensei. And Gen'ei-san is a great master that is known in Kyushu in the Kumamoto prefecture for his skill under his father.

[mystic_kendoka]

sir could you provide us with evidence that you are indeed the sensei of kenkyukai?

its pretty odd that only gen'ei signs up then only after 6 days, his long lost kenjutsu sensei signs up...

[Bear]

Not to seem like a drag...
Here....let me RE_STATE the orig. thread.:devious:

I'd like to get others opinions on the relationship between the practice of Kendo and that of another martial arts. How you find it help or changes the other art form.

If you practice more than one..what type of form does it seem to complement?

............................and?

[mystic_kendoka]

this is quite relevant, it seems that if you practise kenjutsu in the hot hawaaian climate, and come across a kendo forum, you feel a sudden urge to 'specialize' in "jinkaisenjutsu", and then lie about some other styles, and then impersonate his teacher...

this is a complicated matter and interesting reason why mental kenshi's should not be allowed near computers, or in proximity to other people...

sorry, but if forum trolls try to contribute (but meaninglessly) to a discussion, it leads to great havoc and the topic is often abandoned... :)

[Nanbanjin]

You should watch what you say about Gen'ei-san he and his brothers and sister are not to be taken likely, He will not answer to people that have no sense of verble honor when you get to finaly meet him you'll know what I'm talking about.:ko: having him as a student before takeing his fathers art was very vigorous in the art of Kenjutsu here in Hawaii, I represent the Hawaii Kendo Kenkyukai here in Oa'hu and know the rights of being a sensei. And Gen'ei-san is a great master that is known in Kyushu in the Kumamoto prefecture for his skill under his father.
And so YOU keep saying....

[aru-ma]

From what I've heard cross martial arts training does compliment each other, but from what I've seen so far, especially in begginers, is they tend to compromise their the footwork, but this might just be at that starting stage.

I think there was a thread similar to this one a while back�AI'll link it if i find it

[Gen'ei]

this is quite relevant, it seems that if you practise kenjutsu in the hot hawaaian climate, and come across a kendo forum, you feel a sudden urge to 'specialize' in "jinkaisenjutsu", and then lie about some other styles, and then impersonate his teacher...

this is a complicated matter and interesting reason why mental kenshi's should not be allowed near computers, or in proximity to other people...

sorry, but if forum trolls try to contribute (but meaninglessly) to a discussion, it leads to great havoc and the topic is often abandoned... :)For one Hawaii is not hot you dummies its a tropical cool climate just because what you see on the tv means its real Idiots I tell you. And Otsuka is not a long lost sensei you dramatic scenario freak he happens to be ......... a friend and I was only taught for a while under him you guys truly dont look at your situations dont you before asking stupid questions.
Hawaiian you fool not hawaaian houlie I tell you.
And the word impersanate is not the doing Otsuka is well a long friend who my father has not spoken to in a long time. You can reach Otsuka by the site.
Well any way advice why the hell do the rest of the senseis put up with you guys that just because you know the japanese art of Kenjutsu that means you own it HA if only you all knew thw real art behind the sword. You need to be Japanese to know it.

[Bear]

From what I've heard cross martial arts training does compliment each other, but from what I've seen so far, especially in begginers, is they tend to compromise their the footwork, but this might just be at that starting stage.

I think there was a thread similar to this one a while back�AI'll link it if i find it
With martial arts, I'm one of these people who do alot of research before jumping into it, since I feel that it is unjust to be insincere with those who practice an art that involves the potential of screwing someone up.
"Every master was an amature once" (I'm far from being a master!)

I had started aikido at the same time as Ninjustu. I appreciated the experience of seeing the parallels in technique and even more so for the differences.

Aikido made me move and channel movement more than Ninjutsu.
Ninjutsu expressed the same\similar techniques toward very conclusive ends with slight movement...so to speak.
This also applied to weapons use.

I hope to find the extensions and overlaps from kendo to that of ninjutsu...since I wish to practice both.

Do ya get zee gist???:ninja:

[Bear]

......why the heck can't I change my avatar?

[Nanbanjin]

For one Hawaii is not hot you dummies its a tropical cool climate just because what you see on the tv means its real Idiots I tell you. And Otsuka is not a long lost sensei you dramatic scenario freak he happens to be ......... a friend and I was only taught for a while under him you guys truly dont look at your situations dont you before asking stupid questions.
Hawaiian you fool not hawaaian houlie I tell you.
And the word impersanate is not the doing Otsuka is well a long friend who my father has not spoken to in a long time. You can reach Otsuka by the site.
Well any way advice why the hell do the rest of the senseis put up with you guys that just because you know the japanese art of Kenjutsu that means you own it HA if only you all knew thw real art behind the sword. You need to be Japanese to know it.
Hey, thanks for the private message:


Nerve

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Why dont you just shut up you DUMB FOUNDED IDIOT, What the hell do you think your saying do you want another face PUNK because you are a useless basterd that does not know what the hell he's talking about now you had better turn away before I really get angry you no good for nothing wasted blob of blood.


Seek help.

[AlexM]

Duuuuuuuuuuude. :eek:

I take back what I said in another thread (which the moderators have mercifully deleated): Gen'ei isn't a practical joker, he's nuts.

I tried to warn you about sending threats over the internet...

Say goodbye to Gen'ei people... we won't be seeing much of him after this.

Back to the topic:

Kendo as a help to ninjutsu or aikido? Hmmmm... I can't see that. Kenjutsu would be more suited to something like ninjutsu training. That is to say, the actual discipline of learning how to use a sword properly. Kendo places the emphasis on a codified form of Japanese fencing. People that practice various forms of kenjutsu are more adept with a real blade. Think of kendo as a tool for personal development: it's budo. That's why it's in the Japanese academic (phys. ed.) curriculum (or at least part of the reason why). We can't teach you to kill, and if you're not interested in bettering yourself than kendo is just a sport with suspect judging and not a whole lot of international competition :D .

I can sort of picture kendo and judo as being somewhat complementary... the crowd goes silent in disbelief....

There's something about the toughness in judo that seems to compliment kendo so well, and vice-versa. Judo may be lacking a bit in the "budo" department these days but still... there's that whole: "let's beat each other up" aspect that is appealing to me. Young men should be bruised and battered in their youth, it builds character I say (I admit that I'm starting to love rugby despite not really understanding some of the more difficult rules and never having played it! :D).

I think if I had to do another form of budo besides kendo, it would have to be judo... my body is more suited to it anyway :D .

[Bear]

...my body is more suited to it anyway :D .
?? larger frame?

BTW is the club at McGill open to non-students? :happy:

[AlexM]

BTW is the club at McGill open to non-students? :happy:

Yup :)

I meant stocky! I'm not fat... NOT fat. NOT.

I'm the same height as M.Miyazaki... and apparently the same weight too.

[mystic_kendoka]

From what I've heard cross martial arts training does compliment each other, but from what I've seen so far, especially in begginers, is they tend to compromise their the footwork, but this might just be at that starting stage.

I think there was a thread similar to this one a while back�AI'll link it if i find it

i have a friend doing kendo with me, but before this he did 3 years of this weird type of 'kumdo' in korea, so hes used to having his left foot behind his right foot and at a right angle to it,

Like so:
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While in kendo you're supposed to do this:
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hes been doing kendo for 3 months now, same as me, and his hits are accurate, his kiai is good, but his foot work is a mess, its like this now
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so sometimes its difficult to switch arts, so if ur used to one art, dont switch to one similar to it..

[mystic_kendoka]

Hawaiian you fool not hawaaian houlie I tell you.
art of Kenjutsu that means you own it HA if only you all knew thw real art behind the sword. You need to be Japanese to know it.

1) i wouldn't be talking about spelling mistakes if i were you..
2) most people here do kendo not kenjutsu..
3) i am korean, and kendo originally comes from korea, and the japanese stole it (among loads of other things) when they occupied korea for 50 years, through dictatorship and torture.. the origin of the japanese sword it self is n 80% copy of the korean blade, the art in which to use it was made in korea, so dont u go and f**king start about japanese honour...

[aru-ma]

3) i am korean, and kendo originally comes from korea, and the japanese stole it (among loads of other things) when they occupied korea for 50 years, through dictatorship and torture.. the origin of the japanese sword it self is n 80% copy of the korean blade, the art in which to use it was made in korea, so dont u go and f**king start about japanese honour...

Let's just stop it here before this get's into another endless Korea v Japan argument, In this case thank God I'm neither.

[mystic_kendoka]

ur from europe? i thought u were japanese because of ur name, aru-ma

[aru-ma]

ur from europe? i thought u were japanese because of ur name, aru-ma

Europe? Not even close! if we're playing hot and cold you'd be freezing to death! :) :) actually I think you're the first person who even thought I was Japanese, those flag icons comes in handy at times like this :rolleyes: I'm Indonesian

[Bear]

..so hes used to having his left foot behind his right foot and at a right angle to it,
Like so:
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While in kendo you're supposed to do this:
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hes been doing kendo for 3 months now, same as me, and his hits are accurate, his kiai is good, but his foot work is a mess, its like this now
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........dont switch to one similar to it..What's kind of wild is that in Ninjutsu the lagging foot is often at a 45 deg angle....and many of the techniques use 45 deg attacks including Bo and Ken.

[mystic_kendoka]

but our sensei doesn't like it... first thing she says when we enter is, remember feet parallel...

PS u do ninjutsu?

[mystic_kendoka]

Europe? Not even close! if we're playing hot and cold you'd be freezing to death! :) :) actually I think you're the first person who even thought I was Japanese, those flag icons comes in handy at times like this :rolleyes: I'm Indonesian

oei... indonesia... gta start thinking properly.. at the moment, i thought kendo was only known in europe, north america, japan and korea..

[Bear]

but our sensei doesn't like it... first thing she says when we enter is, remember feet parallel...

PS u do ninjutsu?
I understand the viewpoint on footstancesince it is the fundamental point of proper technique\etiquette. Every art has its reasoning.

Yep I was practicing ninjutsu a year ago and had to stop for work\finance reasons mainly...I am hoping to rejoin by finding another dojo. Prob is that there are not many around. We were practicing forms of kenjutsu..but since the techniques are pretty dangerous, its impossible to whack someone full on.

I really enjoyed swordplay and have always been interested in fencing but euro-style never really grabbed my attention.

.......Hmmmmmm "Pirates of the Carribean" style would be fun!

[mystic_kendoka]

since the swords used by the pirates were cutlasses, what would one use as a weapon if they were studying that 'style...' they couldn't use a shinai or anything else... the fencing swords or rapiers are too thin and straight...

i know! one handed suburi bokkens :) mini musashi style

[Bear]

since the swords used by the pirates were cutlasses, what would one use as a weapon if they were studying that 'style...' they couldn't use a shinai or anything else... the fencing swords or rapiers are too thin and straight...

i know! one handed suburi bokkens :) mini musashi style
Step 1. soak your shinai in a barrel of hot rhum (add butter to taste)
Step 2. Allow ANY form of expansion to the bamboo..you may want to wedge a coconut in between the strips of bamboo...(the 8 peice shiniai is more esthic and funtional in this case)
Step 3. Hammer the shinai into a nice flat mass to form a quasi cutlass neo-katana.
Step 4. Deep Fry.
Step 5. Use against opponent

Now...you may notice that your opponent will lack any sense of grace since if indeed you did undergo this process...they will have been dipping into the hot rum barrel....They might go so far as to eat the shinai as it stikes them.
Beware...of splintering.

[Gen'ei]

1) i wouldn't be talking about spelling mistakes if i were you..
2) most people here do kendo not kenjutsu..
3) i am korean, and kendo originally comes from korea, and the japanese stole it (amoong loads of other things) when they occupied korea for 50 years, through dictatorship and torture.. the origin of the japanese sword it self is n 80% copy of the korean blade, the art in which to use it was made in korea, so dont u go and f**king start about japanese honour...Yes that is all true but what Kenjutsu is not Kendo are you confident of your self that this is correct if it is wich I know is not. You still need studie a bit and AlexM-san you are not saved as well from the moderaters also so you could not be seen anymore also. And the way the sword is that it is usually straight not bent like the Katana and twice sharper and flexible. And honour is more important than anything worth in this forsaken world wich you both don't have. Honour is always my heart and life. And don't start talking about your dictater past its useless in this age.

[AlexM]

You still need studie a bit and AlexM-san you are not saved as well from the moderaters also so you could not be seen anymore also.

I can't understand what you wrote...

The moderators are out to get me??? Have I fallen afoul of them??? :cry: :cry:

They can see me??? Are you saying Hamish and Alex planted a webcam in my basement? In my bathroom? Why didn't you guys tell me I was featured on a porn website???!!!??? www.nakedkendokainshower.com (if that's a real URL...)

I'm confused now... are you still playing your character or is this actually you?

Man, what is with all these freaking little samurai popping up?

I mean, it's amusing for awhile but the threads seem to get more and more off track. Unless of course they're not outright ridiculous from the start.

BTW, the feet in kendo should be parallel for technical purposes: You'll go further and faster that way. Move quicker too if I'm not mistaken.

[Neil Gendzwill]

1) 3) i am korean, and kendo originally comes from korea, and the japanese stole it (among loads of other things) when they occupied korea for 50 years, through dictatorship and torture.. the origin of the japanese sword it self is n 80% copy of the korean blade, the art in which to use it was made in korea, so dont u go and f**king start about japanese honour...
Sorry, this is just wrong. Kumdo (the kind that looks like kendo, not the other kinds) was introduced to Korea during the Japanese occupation. The Koreans have taken to it strongly, but understandably due to the brutality of the occupation tend not to want to identify it as Japanese. So they use Korean terms, different uniforms and dispense with a lot of the Japanese etiquette. This is all fine, but then they feel they need to revise history.

To be perfectly clear: modern kendo, as practiced all over the world including Korea where it is called kumdo, is a wholly Japanese invention. I'm sorry if your teachers have told you differently - in some cases, the teachers have also been given wrong information and just pass it down. Taekwondo has the same unfortunate problem with its history.

If you want to argue the origin of nihon-to, that's a different kettle of fish.

[Bear]

Can I come bye and reg. at the McGill dojo on Thurs?
And if so..what time would be best?

[Bear]

There is a new art: DungDo.
If you go the way of the Dung....you may be up to your waist.

[Saito]

Geesh whats his problem hey buddy if you cant talk nicely to other people and stop the lieing get the heck off this site. Jinkaisenjutsu is not even your family's martial art it belongs to the Asano family you are truly a lier and if your going to reply with a stupid mock just keep it to your self because I can't stand kids who think they can just but in here and start talking BS and your putting the japanese to shame with this nonsense so if you cant shut up get off KID. And keep that name Otsuka to your self I recognize that name and hes not a sensei in Hawaii he's a advisor to the dojo you are impersanateing his name because he's not a man who goes on to the internet for christ sake he's 61 already tell me if you can type still kid and the style does not belong to you. And I bet you have two accounts don't you so if your lying I suggest you get off because your already ruined your name is of shame and there is no way I'm lying because I a grown man sense I was small does not even lie so get off before you start ruining your reputation. But take my advice get off the site because your not welcome and I bet no one wants you here but from what I have seen and heard so far your just a kid with no shame in you so Get off this site and don't ever come back and stop impersanating other people and there names there's feliny charges for that kid And I do live in Japan and there is no grand family as the name Ryusaki and if there were I'd bet they would love to get there hands on you kid because your words means squat.
SO GET OFF

[Saito]

Geesh whats his problem hey buddy if you cant talk nicely to other people and stop the lieing get the heck off this site. Jinkaisenjutsu is not even your family's martial art it belongs to the Asano family you are truly a lier and if your going to reply with a stupid mock just keep it to your self because I can't stand kids who think they can just but in here and start talking BS and your putting the japanese to shame with this nonsense so if you cant shut up get off KID. And keep that name Otsuka to your self I recognize that name and hes not a sensei in Hawaii he's a advisor to the dojo you are impersanateing his name because he's not a man who goes on to the internet for christ sake he's 61 already tell me if you can type still kid and the style does not belong to you. And I bet you have two accounts don't you so if your lying I suggest you get off because your already ruined your name is of shame and there is no way I'm lying because I a grown man sense I was small does not even lie so get off before you start ruining your reputation. But take my advice get off the site because your not welcome and I bet no one wants you here but from what I have seen and heard so far your just a kid with no shame in you so Get off this site and don't ever come back and stop impersanating other people and there names there's feliny charges for that kid And I do live in Japan and there is no grand family as the name Ryusaki and if there were I'd bet they would love to get there hands on you kid because your words means squat.
SO GET OFFI'm talking about the kid Gen'ei not any of you that are reading this. Saito

[Bear]

Is there any concensus on natural (standard) shinai vs. carbon graphite

[AlexM]

Can I come bye and reg. at the McGill dojo on Thurs?
And if so..what time would be best?

If you want to come please come on the 13th of January (8 pm to 10 pm). That'll be our first official practice of the semester so you'll get to see a standard practice and participate (with everyone else that wants to see as well).

However, because you're not a McGill student you have to give us your name so that we can put you on the "guest list" at the security desk. They're getting very strict about letting people in to the Athletic Center. Please send any visiting requests 48 hours in advance.

Send any questions and information to mcgillkendo@yahoo.com . I answer all emails anyway. You can also visit our website (look in my profile) to see the schedule and a map to the gym (the Athletic Center is attached to Molson Stadium and right below the Royal Vic. Hospital).

Concerning carbon vs. bamboo: Use the forum search engine, there's been plenty written onn it already.