training hurt

[ThePoetWarrior]

so i have two people i learn under, one advocates not overdoing it, one kinda is happy to see that i push through and grit it out. i don't know which is right, the one who wants me to push the envelope or the one who says go but not overwork myself? what do you all think?

[turboyoshi]

Well, it depends. Common sense applies here. You don't try to push through an injury, obviously, that just causes more damage. I generally hate stupid little sayings like "no pain, no gain" because people tend to favor them over common sense. When people say "no pain, no gain" they are only referring to the pain of physical exertion, not the pain of torn muscles and broken bones.

[bullet08]

that's like asking.. do you drink to get drunk, or do you drink for the taste. i do it for both.

pete

[Neil Gendzwill]

Define "hurt".

[Halcyon]

Part of being an athlete is knowing how to listen to your body. We have to learn how to differentiate between pain that comes from injury and pain that comes from hard training. If you're not "pushing the envelope" just because it's hard and unpleasant, you're selling yourself short. But don't get so gung ho that you ignore an injury, though, truth be told, sometimes you have to play through minor injuries as well.

[dwez]

You will always get contradictory advice. You should always try to take heed and see what happens if you implement the advice hopefully finding a state you are comfortable with.

If that happy place still doesn't satisfy the adviser grit it out with him and then don't overdo it with the other, focus on some other aspect of training that doesn't require balls out attack, attack! Eventually you will discover that happy medium naturally without effort and experience those points were you have exceeded yourself which can be extremely beneficial, or why would there be kakari-geiko?

Of course if it's injury pain that's a different kettle of fish.

[ThePoetWarrior]

Define "hurt".

hurt like tendonitis, bruised shoulders, strained/sprained joints and such etc...

[Neil Gendzwill]

If it's that kind of hurt, you can probably train through them if you're careful, but you definitely are taking the risk of making things worse. Listen to your body, consult a sports med guy if you are not sure.

[Ken Morgan]

If it's that kind of hurt, you can probably train through them if you're careful, but you definitely are taking the risk of making things worse. Listen to your body, consult a sports med guy if you are not sure.

Agreed. Kendo/Iaido/jodo is a hobby, if it's your muscles hurting and you want to keep going, go for it. If it's your joints, a tear or something else, stop. Wait for the injury to repair itself, then slowly get back into it. your JSA isn't going anywhere, it'll be there when you're healthy again.

[nodachi]

I always use the advice of "don't make it worse". If you have a real injury, but you can work through it without making it a worse injury, then I try to work through it. If I am going to make it worse, I stop. Missing a practice or two to heal up is better than making a small injury big and missing months.

[vyung]

hurt like tendonitis, bruised shoulders, strained/sprained joints and such etc...

Any injury in the acute inflammatory phase, which is the first 48 to 72 hours, you should R.I.C.E. (Rest, Ice, Compress, Elevate) it. This will slow down the inflammatory process and cut short the pain-inducing reactions in the injury site.

Once the acute inflammatory phase resolved, the person should start range of motion exercises to avoid soft-tissue stiffness and regain full range. The person should also add strength or endurance exercise if it is weakness or fitness that is the problem. If the ligament sprain is due to poor proprioception, then one should retrain that.

If, however, no tissue damage is involved and the person is not feeling dizzy or having nausea, and just feeling a bit stiff, then stretch it out, and then continue shouldn't be a problem.

[PabloY]

I believe that if you train hurt (as in injured, not just a little sore) you usually end up making the injury worse and lose even more dojo time than you would have if you had given your body the necessary amount of time to heal.

[MartialArtsGirl]

WOW!
This is EXACTLY the issue that I've been (trying) to post about in previous threads- but this OP did it so much more succinctly!!!

I have something, and I haven't been to the doc about it yet- (a big part being cause I'm not sure whether my insurance will cover another doc visit this year) I think it's achilles bursitis- (often mistaken to, or related to tenndintous).

I've been doing a mix of things- training through it, but I also stepped down the training as well. So I trained 2x a week rather than 4. (but I was planning on stepping it up to 4 again starting this week...) And I ice it every night. It was getting getting better on Friday- hardly hurt at all except in the mornings-and that was more sore than hurt- until after class yesterday and today. After class today it hurt for the whole class (a lot!) and for almost the whole day (while I was walking around the city). I was kinda limping so that it wouldnt hurt so much.

Hmm, I think it *may* be getting worse...but it was so much better before this weekend. So I am confused.

Plus, I feel like I am getting more pressure at my dojo to train through things than to not. Someone said to me that I cant get bad injuries at my level. But, if I go from practically no physical exertion (two times a week) to what was at one point 5... and not stepping it up gradually...I've read that that in itself can cause injuries.

Sorry for hijacking this thread a little. But, I'm also dealing with this issue. There doesn't seem to be an easy answer.