HA! Your shinai is dead!

[dorkusxmaximus]

There aren't that many interesting new threads lately, so I'm going to start one, and I apologize if there's already a thread like this (it's just too tedious to search for old threads). What do you guys like to do to a person with a strong chudan no kamae, or with a strong center? Of course it's to make them break their center or for you to take it, but what exactly do you do to make them break it? Do you like to kiai, fake a strike, smack that shinai off center? Things like that. What's your preference? I'm just a curious pikachu, that's all ^_^. I like to kiai my loudest to see if I get a reaction.

[heri0n]

play the waiting game
puaha

[dorkusxmaximus]

Is that what you like to do, Mr. Potter LOL? I'll never ji-geiko with you, man! We'll be waiting the forever in kamae haha! Thank you for being the only one out of a hundred something people to respond =) haha. I think my thread title attracted a lot of people hahah, until they read the content LOL.

[Shazzanzzz]

i just go for men, see if he's fast enough to get my kote or maybe do. If he tries to block the men, then it's easy to deal with. If he does debana wazas, then i have to do other stuff to get to him.

[JSchmidt]

You're talking about the type of kamae, where if you don't break their kamae, you end up impaling yourself when you attack, right?.

If your seme isn't strong enough to break his center and hassle him, then the 'cheap' way is kote-men. You don't have to hit the kote, tsuba or base of the shinai is often enough.
Often one or two of these will be enough to get the opponent worried and you can start contesting the center.

Harai-waza is also an option, but often you'll find that they will read it and use it as an option counter-attack. You will also need to vary the way you are attacking the shinai.
This, however, in my experience doesnt allow you to go back and contest the center..they will just be wiser to your 'tricks'.

Jakob

[AlexM]

Impaling... how sporting. Some people do it everytime you attack. Lack of generosity in their kendo: It's a last second move to stick you in the throat despite the fact that you beat him to the punch (maybe)... that sounds like sour grapes... and it is! :D

Anyway, I remember one Japanese guy I saw (a daigakusei) that would get jammed up by someone that stuck you in the throat on any attack (a horrible way to teach AND practice IMHO). He took the rather original step of simply using his tsuka to knock the opponent's shinai's tip from his throat guard and counter with a men, sometimes one handed.

There is of course the age old method of actually removing the shinai tip with a free hand in frustration to what can become a real pain in the ass at one point.

I'll see if I can emulate the Japanese student I saw in two weeks... gonna visit with someone that impales like crazy.

Of course maybe you're just talking about people that DON'T MOVE... no matter what you do. You can't attack because you can't take the center... I have no advice on what to do... Try taking the center? Or do what Harry does.. hit the guy in the butt. :D

[heri0n]

puahahah
yes this one of my secret waza i created while being disciplined by my parents.... haha
nancy we'll have to see who has the stronger willl :D
patience young grasshopper...

[Rurouni]

My sensei showed me a strike the other day..its a begginers one. It starts in chudan no kamae..you swing it up in a stright large motion...but from there im not sure if it goes all the way behind you(touching your butt) or stops right above your head, bout six inches....WHICH IS IT?????

[dorkusxmaximus]

Treat this topic like a favorite waza thread, everyone. I didn't expect to be given advice, but errr thanks anyway :) . Keep up whatever you feel like posting in this thread up ^_^. I just chose a kenshi/sensei with an immovable kamae as an example because I can't think of anything better. Anyone can chose any type of kenshi (speed, kamae, height, style, etc.), but tell me what's your favorite thing to do against them.

Mwahaha Mr. Potter is more patient than me, the sleeping pikachu? Yes, someday we'll have to see, Harry! I'll be waiting for you patiently haha. Let's see who comes to who first! Probably me =X, but that doesnt prove anything!

[JSchmidt]

My sensei showed me a strike the other day..its a begginers one. It starts in chudan no kamae..you swing it up in a stright large motion...but from there im not sure if it goes all the way behind you(touching your butt) or stops right above your head, bout six inches....WHICH IS IT?????

Nice attempt at sarcasm, but it would be more convincing if you had a clue what we were talking about..

Jakob

[heri0n]

ill gooo dekote
kote arimashita!!

[AlexM]

ill gooo dekote
kote arimashita!!

I give no flag...

[heri0n]

I give no flag...

well u aint no shimpan!!
after i kill pikachu
im goin for u with the ass spanking waza!

[hyouriittai]

Ha! Good thing I still wear my tare backwards, yeah?

[AlexM]

well u aint no shimpan!!
after i kill pikachu
im goin for u with the ass spanking waza!

i ain't be no shinpan but i knowz a fool when i seez 1 ...

Seeyaz at U of the T jam baby... betta bring yo A game or it gonna be a qwik fight sucka...

10$ on Nancy by the way.. make it 10 Euros.. I'm feeling lucky. :D

But be carefull, there's a reason they call him "Dirty Harry"...

[Hai_hai]

There aren't that many interesting new threads lately, so I'm going to start one, and I apologize if there's already a thread like this (it's just too tedious to search for old threads). What do you guys like to do to a person with a strong chudan no kamae, or with a strong center? Of course it's to make them break their center or for you to take it, but what exactly do you do to make them break it? Do you like to kiai, fake a strike, smack that shinai off center? Things like that. What's your preference? I'm just a curious pikachu, that's all ^_^. I like to kiai my loudest to see if I get a reaction.

If you are fighting people in your own dojo, they know your strengths and weaknesses. The thing about that is the senior people have this confidence against weaker people and that allows them to play the waiting game and hold center. Same as when you are going against a weaker person, you gain a certain confidence and are able to hold center and you can wait for them to attack first or try to break your center. It's all mental.

[m_french]

I'm suprised nobody suggested simply moving the offensive shinai to the side with their Kote? :beard:

[Hai_hai]

I would suggest to simply move the offensive shinai to the side with their Kote. Just my two cents.

[dorkusxmaximus]

[QUOTE=dorkusxmaximus]Treat this topic like a favorite waza thread, everyone. I didn't expect to be given advice, but errr thanks anyway :) . Keep up whatever you feel like posting in this thread up ^_^. I just chose a kenshi/sensei with an immovable kamae as an example because I can't think of anything better. Anyone can chose any type of kenshi (speed, kamae, height, style, etc.), but tell me what's your favorite thing to do against them.

Doesn't anyone read anything else besides the first post?

Alex, am all I worth to you is 10 euros =P? I'm hurt, man. Use some American currency, dude!

[AlexM]

10 Euros is a lot of money these days! Not only is it worth more than the Canadian dollar, it's worth more than the US dollar!

I was being nice... :(

Of course you're worth more than 10 Euros Nancy! What would we do without you? :) Just watch out for Harry, he's a bit of a cad... :D

[dorkusxmaximus]

Euros ain't worth squat. There's going to be a backlash soon. I can feel it haha. It's only a joke if some of you haven't figured it out.

That's sweet of you to think so highly of me, Alex =P. Yeah Harry is like that LOL. Oh yeah, he persuaded me to form an alliance with him against you. We're going to double team you now with a couple of wazas we made up. The first one is really kewl (he thought of it), but the second one is really corny haha (I made that one up).

[heri0n]

Main Entry: cad
Pronunciation: 'kad
Function: noun
Etymology: English dialect, unskilled assistant, short for Scots caddie
Date: 1833
1 : an omnibus conductor
2 : a man who acts with deliberate disregard for another's feelings or rights

i had to look that one up...
ya thats right i dont care for your feelings or rights!! after all..... you are a frenchman

uhh...... *runs away*
(dont kill me moderators..)

[AlexM]

Harry, the moderators are going to be the least of your problems when I get through with you... :mad: We didn't get to keiko last time you were in town: my revenge awaits you young jedi.

Anyway, I've now got an unholy alliance of two kids coming after me, with new and deadly waza no less... Are they going to bite my ankles? :D I'll just do what I do to all the people in my dojo that are smaller than I am: Flip them over. :)

Flipping over someone is not necessarily a valid response to someone sticking his or her shinai in your throat repeatedly... although it should not be completely discounted either.

[heri0n]

are you the master of evil alexm?
and i believe im taller than you ^^
i will see you at the U OF T muahah
hey are any of u guys going to detroit?

[AlexM]

I was speaking of metaphorical height you fool! I have loftier pursuits than to worry about Dirty Harry... :D

(Yoda voice) Taller than I are you.. but heavier? Doubt that I do... Crush you I will.

Detroit? Highly doubtfull. Too far and expensive. Maybe some guys from U de M will attend, don't place any bets on it though. See you at U of T.

I'm running out of silly things to say.

[dorkusxmaximus]

I believe I'm the same height as you, Alex :) . BOOO Detroit, go to Steveston! What's so great about Detroit except the Miyazaki brothers will be there hahah. Okay, that's a plus....Forget I said that.

[AlexM]

I believe I'm the same height as you, Alex :)

At least you're still growing... I'm only growing horizontally. :(

[dorkusxmaximus]

No, I think I stopped growing a while back ago. My little brother is officially taller than me now T_T. I'm angry now...