What do you like to do against kaeshi men?

[guchido]

I've been watching the last WKC videos and notice that men kaeshi men is the prefered technique. I really don't like the way they do this in this videos, especially when both do seme ashi and protect (yoke) at the same time. It looks like they just don't want to be hit. Anyway, the question is: what counter attack do you usually do when the opponent is just waiting for you to touch his/her shinai in order to do 'kaeshi men' and protects the right do with mittoroyoke. I ask this because even though it doesn't look good in the taikai it seems, in many times, pretty effective.

Thank you for your answers,

J. Villaran

[skilled]

Kaeshi do or gyaku do or Faking men to kote =)

[ender84567]

hitting a nice loud gyaku do helps; though you are unlikely to get the point, it often makes them think twice about leaving it open again, which is just the hesitation you need for a big beautiful men.

[JSchmidt]

Erhh, hit their kote?

[b8amack]

Don't miss your men?

[Halcyon]

Katsugi-men. Hidari-do. Tsuki. Just a few of the options.

[Bear of Doom]

simple, dodge! =P
(oh no i've just suggested 'bad' kendo)

[ben]

If you sense that strongly that they will flinch when you seme, test it out once, check their reaction, and file it away for use later. Or use it the very next moment. This is surely the essence of the adage 勝て打つ "Win, then strike."

b

[skilled]

hitting a nice loud gyaku do helps; though you are unlikely to get the point, it often makes them think twice about leaving it open again, which is just the hesitation you need for a big beautiful men.

why unlikely ? :S

thats ippon

[MikeW]

If you're fully committed to your original men strike you are probably not going to have good position to strike valid gyaku do when the aite is hitting kaeshi men.

[skilled]

If you're fully committed to your original men strike you are probably not going to have good position to strike valid gyaku do when the aite is hitting kaeshi men.

ooh


that sounds better

I'm glad now people acknowledge gyaku do

a few years ago some shimpan and some people didn't like gyaku do just because they didn't knew the technique or weren't familiar with

[Neil Gendzwill]

If you're fully committed to your original men strike you are probably not going to have good position to strike valid gyaku do when the aite is hitting kaeshi men.Men-doh combination works.

[bullet08]

kiai like you have gone mad and step in with taiatari. then when the aite goes 'wtf?' do hiki whatever. gyaku do works occationally after your men has been blocked.

pete

[MikeW]

Men-doh combination works.

If you are in position, but everytime I have seen someone try to follow up a men with gyaku do where the aite has also attacked and is moving forward (this includes high ranked kendoka) the positioning on the gyaku do lands on the front of the do instead of the side. All I'm saying is that the gyaku do as a follow up is even harder to score on than a gyaku do done more as a nuki move and primary attack to an aite that is attacking men.

[Neil Gendzwill]

I meant men and then just a normal doh. Works even better if the aite has a habit of just blocking men, rather than attempting kaeshi-doh.

[MikeW]

I meant men and then just a normal doh. Works even better if the aite has a habit of just blocking men, rather than attempting kaeshi-doh.

Oh, sorry I misunderstood your previous comment Neil.

[Halcyon]

I'm glad now people acknowledge gyaku do

a few years ago some shimpan and some people didn't like gyaku do just because they didn't knew the technique or weren't familiar with
At a recent FIK shimpan seminar leading up to the WKC, the top judges reportedly made a point of breaking with the use of the term "gyaku do" altogether. Now they want to call it hidari-do, as a mirror counterpart to the conventional migi-do. I'm told this was in part to shed the negative connotations that gyaku-do has with some judges. Now they're saying there should be no distinction between hidari-do and migi-do as long as they meet the requirements of yuko-dadotsu.

[ender84567]

I meant men and then just a normal doh. Works even better if the aite has a habit of just blocking men, rather than attempting kaeshi-doh.
problem with that is the blocking method he is describing i believe is one where the right do is covered.

[skilled]

At a recent FIK shimpan seminar leading up to the WKC, the top judges reportedly made a point of breaking with the use of the term "gyaku do" altogether. Now they want to call it hidari-do, as a mirror counterpart to the conventional migi-do. I'm told this was in part to shed the negative connotations that gyaku-do has with some judges. Now they're saying there should be no distinction between hidari-do and migi-do as long as they meet the requirements of yuko-dadotsu.


GREAT! =D


Are you saying that Hidari-do is part of kihon now ? ...

[Koki]

I thought it's always part of kihon :))

[Halcyon]

Speaking of hidari-do, check out this sweet ippon from the sempo match of the recent kokutai tournament. It's at about the 2:00 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKkHE_zfVaI&feature=sdig&et=1255186172.17

[skilled]

It ain't that sweet IMO