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Fred27
15th April 2010, 11:02 PM
I haven't visited too many individual dojos so I'm a bit curious what the routines are for teaching beginners. I thought it might be fun to discover new ways of doing things.

Note: This below is how its done in a dedicated Shinto Muso Ryu dojo. We dont teach seitei.

In our dojo the beginner starts off with 1 hour sessions for the duration of their first semester as opposed to 2 hour sessions for the advanced jodoka. Normally the secondary instructor starts off teaching the basics on the sideline while the Sensei conducts the main training. In the first ever session the beginner learns how to use their feet in the first kihon honte uchi; shifting your left/right foot forward, keeping the feet at the correct angle and so forth. (Its actually surprisingly difficult to get your feet properly aligned in those first few weeks of practice, especially if the beginner has no experience in other budo.) After that they start doing the same thing except with the Jo in hand and so begins the never-ending process of finding the correct strike angle, (eye-nose), and finding the target.

After maybe 3-4 weeks they have a few more kihon under their belt they also start with kihon sotai dosa and the ever present uchikome: honte, gyakute and hikiotoshi drills with a partner. Preferrably the beginner starts doing paired kihon with another beginner, but thats of course not always possible and are supplanted with a sempai. At around this time they also join the obligatory kihon walkthrough/warmup which all (others) do at the beginning of each training session and so becomes part of the group as opposed to "being on the side"-training they did with the second instructor during their first weeks.

The first kata is taught, in this case tsuke-zue, after they become comfortable in honte uchi and have more hours of drill under their belt. A beginners training session at this point is about 50 minutes of kihon, uchikome and other basic principles and 10 minutes of kata. The ratio shifts once they are taught more kata.
The beginners are eventually taught more kihon and two more kata: suigetsu and shamen. This is not traditional Shinto Muso Ryu order of kata but rather a more beginner-friendly version. They might be taught tachi otoshi after shamen during the first semester if they are active enough.
At around suigetsu or shamen the beginners begin performing kata with the Sempai of the main group as uchidachi.
With the exception of higher level drills, such as preparatory drills for later Omote and chudan kata techniques and the 1 hour session as opposed to 2, the beginner is now fully involved with the main group. At the beginning of the second semester the trainee is now allowed to train full 2 hours.

So thats roughly a beginners first semester in Jodo at our dojo :)
What does your dojo do?

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Note the timing is different from semester to semester in due to the number of beginners, how many hours they put in and the availability of teachers.

torashin
27th April 2010, 04:37 AM
Hi Fred

Interesting to read how you start new people. I like the sound of it, it sounds very traditional and quite formal.

In our dojo we start people on Honte, Gyakute & Hiki Otoshi Kihon Tandoku at the beginning and work up from there dependant on there abilities and kata etc.

The lessons tend to be half Kihon & half Kata. Again this depends on what level people are on etc. Some on Tandoku perhaps and other on Sotai.

I try and get people on to Sotai as soon as possible really.

Regarding the kata. I follow the advice given to me by Adrian & Vincente and the way Nishioka Sensei teaches them apparently. Which is Seitei gata order up to Tachi Otoshi then start on Omote.

Due to the fact we only train once a week, I only do the Uchikome exercises occasionally.

That's about it really.

CU soon

Aden
27th April 2010, 09:57 AM
Our theoretical sequence is tandoku, soutai jo side, soutai both sides - cutting in seitei kata 1/2 after soutai hikiotoshi 3/4 after soutai kuretsuke, then seitei kata up to 8 after all of soutai are introduced. Then a choice seitei path or koryu once kata 1-8 seitei is ingrained - so far the only students to get to the fork followed the seitei path since that offers gradings and no requirement to travel to Sydney periodically..... though one of the current ones is tossing up which way he wants to go.

Aden

Fred27
29th April 2010, 05:58 PM
Hi Fred

Interesting to read how you start new people. I like the sound of it, it sounds very traditional and quite formal.

In our dojo we start people on Honte, Gyakute & Hiki Otoshi Kihon Tandoku at the beginning and work up from there dependant on there abilities and kata etc.

The lessons tend to be half Kihon & half Kata. Again this depends on what level people are on etc. Some on Tandoku perhaps and other on Sotai.

I try and get people on to Sotai as soon as possible really.

Regarding the kata. I follow the advice given to me by Adrian & Vincente and the way Nishioka Sensei teaches them apparently. Which is Seitei gata order up to Tachi Otoshi then start on Omote.

Due to the fact we only train once a week, I only do the Uchikome exercises occasionally.

That's about it really.

CU soon

Hey there!

I didn't realise Adrian & Vicente teaches seitei. :)
Anyhoo, we have a very relaxed attitude in the dojo. There are no "Sensei" or "sempai" titles being used, unless Pascal Krieger Sensei himself were to visit :).

BTW Aden and Mark? Do you teach the ken-kihon in your dojos? Its complex for beginners but its quite rewarding.

Aden
30th April 2010, 09:21 AM
No - we dont do the ken kihon at all - a time management issue if we trained more we would, but since we have plenty of sword outside jodo training time being a kendo / iaido / jodo dojo we don't - currently there is only one student who does not explicity study one of our sword arts and he has realised this is holding back his development so is making arrangements to start on some iaido.