Your opinion on my situation

[Snobody]

I'm currently searching for a dojo nearby Great Neck, NY, and according to the AUSKF listings there's one that's 15 minutes away, one in Flushing closed on weekends (which means I probably can't go), and the Ken Zen dojo in Farmingville, NY (approx. an hour away). The problem with the one 15 minutes away is that the contact number doesn't work, and when I went to check it out there was a real estate office located at that address. Some other searches led me to a listing in the "Yellow Pages Japan in USA" which listed it at another address at the same phone number. This morning I checked out that one, which turned out to be a community center type of building. I guess it's quite possible that Kazuo Kato (the sensei) held some sessions at the building, but I'm clueless as to how recent/accurate the listings are.
Now it turns out that at the Tae Kwon Doe studio where my cousin attended, they teach kendo as well. Is going to this TKD place to learn kendo is something I shouldn't do? Given some of the information I've read on these forums, things like this can be quite sketchy, especially if they aren't listed under the AUSKF.
So basically I have a couple of questions:
Is there any way that I could locate the sensei of the Port Washington dojo (Kazuo Kato) through the AUSKF or something? I've done some searches for him on Yahoo and I found some (very old) articles about his kendo teachings and whatnot.
Would going to this TKD place to learn kendo be a bad idea?

It would seem like going to the Ken Zen dojo in Farmingville is my best option, but a one way trip drive of an hour wouldn't be the most convenient of my choices, considering the fact that a) I can't drive yet, and it'll be a couple years before I can, b) Although my parents would drive me, I feel like I should try and make this as easy for them as possible, and c) I''m only 14, but my schedule is pretty full with schoolwork and stuff.
However the Ken Zen dojo is clearly well known and has a good reputation, but if my parents find a dojo 10 minutes away from here I doubt I'd have the ability to change their minds and make them drive me an hour away.

Sorry for the lengthy post, but I could use some advice from experienced people like you.

[Kaoru]

Hi!

Go to the one an hour away.(Mine is 2 1/2hrs away, one way.) It's not that big a deal, and you can go like, once a week or twice a month. I'd be VERY wary of a TKD dojang that says they teach it. Usually, they teach Kumdo, the Korean version of it, and even then, some of them, can be very bad. I had such an experience, and I say no, because you never know what you will end up getting. I was one of the unlucky ones. I am now doing Kendo.

To reach Kato-sensei, try both of these and see if they work. I'm not sure which is the most recent, but they are what I found.

Shozo Kato (203)637-5475
Kendoka@worldnet.att.net

Shozo Kato
(212) 431-1322
skato@kendoka.org

He might know where Kazuo Kato-sensei is and how to contact him.

Are these the dojos you are talking about?

AEUSKF
Ken Zen Dojo of Long Island
1256 Waverly Ave.
Farmingville, NY
M 6:30pm-7:30pm W 7:30pm-9:00pm Sa 11:00am-12:30pm
Contact: Moses Becerra
e-mail: kenzento@optonline.net
(631)543-5685

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AEUSKF
KongoKan Dojo
735 Port Washington Rd.
Port Washington, NY
M F 8:30-10pm Sa 9:00-11:00am
Contact: Kazuo Kato (631)669-8635
e-mail: sabreminc@earthlink.net

If your parents have a hard time understanding why they shouldn't have you go to the TKD one, come back here and let me know, and I'll give you the link to my thread about what happened with the dojang I used to go to.
That should convince them. And, let them read it, too. I'll never go back.

Yiou want to go to a reputable Kendo dojo. Your parents should want you to train with the one who is legit and has a good reputation, which he is both. Oh, and if they don't even know about the TKD dojang thing, don't even mention it to them, if you can help it. Just get them to go to the other, first. You'll have to watch the first practice anyway, and it's best to get them to watch it too. That way, it will be pretty obvious, how good that Kendo dojo is. :)

Well, I hope that helps!

Kaoru

[Khabbi]

pick one thats in the AUSKF , that will get u the proper kendo training ,
after that , go check the pracs out , theres no need to drive for 2 hours when u can walk or bike to the 15 min one , but if the 1 hour one is much better then the 15 min one , then explain to your parents why its much better at the 1 hour one , the korean one is prob kumdo or some made up style . so just make sure its a AUSKF Dojo , then worry about the rest

hope this makes sense

[Snobody]

AEUSKF
Ken Zen Dojo of Long Island
1256 Waverly Ave.
Farmingville, NY
M 6:30pm-7:30pm W 7:30pm-9:00pm Sa 11:00am-12:30pm
Contact: Moses Becerra (kenzento@optonline.net)
(631)543-5685

AEUSKF
KongoKan Dojo
735 Port Washington Rd.
Port Washington, NY
M F 8:30-10pm Sa 9:00-11:00am
Contact: Kazuo Kato (sabreminc@earthlink.net) (631)669-8635

AEUSKF
NY Il Kum Kwan
Flushing, NY
Contact: Kon U Kim (718)961-0004


Actually, maybe I should clarify. These are the 3 dojos closest to me, which are listed under the AUSKF. However the 3rd one (Il Kum Kwan, no longer out of the question since it's not that far from me) practices kumdo. Their site is www.uskumdo.com . Check it out for yourselves, it seems pretty respectable.
However, I would much rather prefer a kendo dojo, and the Kongokan Dojo would be my best choice, especially considering the location. The sensei there seems to have quite a lot of experience (based on an article on his dojo in an online Iaido newsletter from 1995 that also mentioned his kendo experience). The main problem is that I can't locate him.

If I manage to contact him and he still has a nearby dojo then I'll probably go to that one.
However, between going to the closer Kumdo dojo (which IS listed in the AUSKF site) and the farther Ken Zen dojo (which is a branch of the Ken Zen dojo in Manhattan, and has quite a good reputation), which would you pick?
Thanks for all the help and the numbers, I'll check them out.

[Khabbi]

Well , dont rush into things , would be best to check them all out , its not like u have to pick one in a hour , so get all the facts , talk to ppl , watch the prac's , think about transportation time . then pick one

no rush =)

[Karaken]

[b]AEUSKF
However, between going to the closer Kumdo dojo (which IS listed in the AUSKF site) and the farther Ken Zen dojo (which is a branch of the Ken Zen dojo in Manhattan, and has quite a good reputation), which would you pick?
Thanks for all the help and the numbers, I'll check them out.

Kumdo dojang shouldn't be considered bad compare to Kendo dojo automatically. Il Kum Kwan actually had a very good result during 2003 AEUSKF Tournament - they had many strong players. Also, I don't know this dojo in Great Neck is what you're refering to as TKD dojo but they just might be sharing the place (not TKD master is teaching Kendo as well.). Check it out, if your parents have to drive you too far all the time, you may have to miss some classes or may develop some conflicts. I remeber the days I had to drive my kids all over the place ( Soccer, Tennis, softball, etc.. ) and both myself and my wife had full time job - it isn't always easy even though I didn't complain..

Anyway, this dojo also participated in 2003 AEUSKF Tornament even though they may not be listed..
Jung Moo Kwan
15 Nothern Blvd, Great Neck NY 11023
(516)504-0044 (631)513-7277 c/o Hyung Jin Lim

There are a couple of more Korean Kumdo dojo in Flushing but I don't have their numbers.

Center

[gUnDaL]

Yep... try going to the one close to where you live. My mom hates driving me for over 45 minutes, and i can understand why. Thats my opinion anyways :)

[Khabbi]

I usualy walk to and from the prac , you get to spend time out in the fresh air and you see alot of more things then you would from the car . A bike would work too ,

And i wasent rackin down on Kumdo , just sayin if u wanna learn kendo its better in a kendo dojo then a kumdo dojang

[Snobody]

Hi everyone, thanks for all the help.
After visiting the Il Kum Kwan Kumdo dojang, which is only about 20 minutes away from my house, it seems like the best choice. While initially the whole korean/japanese culture thing seemed a bit strange, but it's all basically the same thing. I watched 2 of the practices, but couldn't manage to catch the beginner's class (my family couldn't eat fast enough...). However, from what I saw of the normal practice and the advanced class, the whole place and atmosphere seems very good. There are a lot of students, ranging from 2 kids that looked like they were 8 to adults age 40 or so.

This place is a bit pricy though, $130 a month or $350 for 3 months, and people starting have to pay for 3 months. $30 for a shinai (jook do in korean), and $100 for the uniform. The rates seem relatively reasonable, since they have 4 consecutive one hour practices every night Mon-Fri, and they don't care about how long you stay for or how often you come. Financially it's not a big deal, (my parents are paying for this, and it's all affordable, but I'd obviously like to save them money if possible...) but I was just wondering if these rates are about right for a place that's probably run for profit.
Also, they didn't mention anything about AUSKF dues which I've read about on this forum, but they are affiliated with the AEUSKF (according to the AEUSKF site), so is it possible that they're covered in this fee or would I have to pay seperately?

I also have a seperate question- what do you do when purchasing bogu if you're a growing kid? I'm still 14 and kind of in the middle of my growth spurt. I figure it's not worth buying a high quality set of armor if I'm going to outgrow it in a year or two, so what would you suggest that I do? Obviously I'm nowhere near getting into armor, but it's a problem that's been bugging me.

[Hattori Hanzo]

Hmmm at a price of 130 I would say they are renting the DoJo from the TKD people and the extra price is to cover that, the price for uniform and shinai is right.

I pay 35 a month at the local YMCA and it a recognized Kendo club.

[Snobody]

Well they're not renting it from TKD people, since the building has Il Kum Kwan Kumdo printed enormous on the front of the building...and they have 5 hours of classes a day (1 morning, 4 afternoon) so I don't think there would be time for TKD classes during the weekdays.
If you want check it out at www.uskumdo.com
Opinions would be appreciated.

[Karaken]

Well they're not renting it from TKD people, since the building has Il Kum Kwan Kumdo printed enormous on the front of the building...and they have 5 hours of classes a day (1 morning, 4 afternoon) so I don't think there would be time for TKD classes during the weekdays.
If you want check it out at www.uskumdo.com
Opinions would be appreciated.

Kumdo dojang is pricier compare to kendo dojo for a coouple of reasons.

1. Your sensei is more likely a professional ( He has no other job than teaching Kendo ) Compare to many Kendo senseis who has their own job

2. As you mentioned, Kumdo offers more days of training ( Kendo normally offers once or twice a week ) and more times a day.

3. Normally you get more personal attention at Kumdo Dojang than Kendo dojo.

All these are just my personal opinion from going both Kendo dojo and Kumdo dojang ( only a few of them ).. So feel free to chime in guys..

As for Bogu, your head is not going to grow ( Men ) and you can buy somewhat bigger do ( Gap ) - then you can use them long. Anyway, we don't usually recommend beginners to buy a expensive bogu anyway.

1. If you quit, you wasted a lot of money
2. You don't know the difference anyway yet ( as long as it gives you good protection )
3. You don't know how to take care of it ( How to properly break-in etc.. )

You're not going to need bogo for at least 3-6 months. After that I'm sure your sensei's going to advise you when and what to buy.. Kendo senseis are much more involved with students ( Good, bad or whatever ) as far as I know..

Hope this helps.. Center

[Hattori Hanzo]

Actually personal attention at our dojo is really good they really work with you alot, but the other two you are correct, we only meet once a week. which is good for because it is all I can manage.

[Raiza]

Snobody, I just wanted to say you've written some great posts based on what I've seen so far. Welcome to the forum. :)

**apologizing in advance for a somewhat disjointed post**

The price you've quoted does sound steep by overall kendo standards, but are in line with a lot of kumdo dojos for all of the reasons Karaken has kindly posted. As you've mentioned, you're in a situation where it is feasible for you to go, i.e. your parents are ok with it (yay!). As for AUESKF dues, many clubs roll the dues into their club sign-up so it may be the case with you. It wouldn't hurt to ask, especially as your parents are paying. I had a look at the Il Kum Kwan website and it looks pretty good. They're part of AUSKF and are thus entitled to just as much consideration as any other AUSKF-recognized kendo dojo. If you decide to go somewhere else, that's ok too, as long as it's part of AUSKF. If you do get in touch with the other dojos, could you please post the results of your search? That way people in the future can come here and use the information if they need to do so.

However, I have no idea what Bon-Gook-Gum-Bup is (some sort of tai chi with sword?) and the video clip provided didn't work. Could someone please enlighten me about this?

As for bogu, don't worry yet. It'll be months before you'll be approved for bogu and you may be able to get a second-hand set or even a loaner from the club.

By the way, do they ask that everyone wears the uniform from the first class? The full hakama and keikogi? Just curious.

BTW, you may want to PM Old Warrior. He also does kumdo under similar circumstances.

[sminki]

Snobody,

Quite a dilemma you got here. I for one (who have belonged to both Korean and Japanese kendo/kumdo schools) am indifferent to the kendo/kumdo question. I got great trainings at both. As a sidenote, I would like to mention that I'm getting really tired of the differentiation that people make between kendo and kumdo (on BOTH sides of the argument) albeit that some minor differences do exist. Kaoru's reservation is a disproportionately magnified by the fact that she used to belong to a staight-out fraudulent place (and I was the first to tell her to get the hell outta there). Generally speaking, this concern of "the Korean version of it" is minimal.

IlKumKwan is a credible dojo. They test with AUSKF so your rank will be certified/official - whatever that means. I'll say that it is important to have such validation in the light of the fact that it adds a certain level of assurance in your teachings and that you're not getting some BS Rick Tew (or whatever his name is) ninja teachings. However, there are teachers who are great who teach in the U.S. who don't belong to the AUSKF. I realize that this is a sensitive political issue, but there are great teachers who teach in the U.S. who belong to the Korean Kumdo Association and who will issue dan from KKA. Now, since KKA is a member of the International Kendo Federation, your dan is certified/official. However, there are political issues having to do with issuing KKA dan in a geographical region which AUSKF is responsible for. Putting the politics aside, does this mean you'd be getting lesser training/guidance/teachings at these places? Absolutely not. I will say that the important thing is that the school belongs to an organization which is a member of the International Kendo Federation.

Don't forget that I'm not trying to piss in anyone's pool. I'm just addressing certain issues and depending on how you prioritize these issues, you'll end up learning at the school of your choice.

Some of the issues which people who've written before me have not discussed is the issue of (a) member turnover and (b) financial stability of the dojo. You should do careful research in terms of student turnover (whether there's significant # of quitters, people switching to other dojos, etc.) as it may be a reflection of the dojo in general. Also, you should make sure that the dojo is in stable financial condition with enough students to sustain the fixed costs. Some places will give you the option of paying for months in advance and you certainly don't want to pay dues for months in advance and have the place to go out of business. I'm not suggesting anything about IlKumKwan, but these are just issues which you should consider.

My advice would be that visit every place you consider. Talk to the sensei and get a feel for the respective compatibility. Take the time to look and consider everything carefully. You won't regret the extra effort. I do know of one other Korean dojang in Flushing called DaeKumKwan with a solid teacher. 718-888-0883

Good luck and let us know how you fare.

[dennis]

I also live on Long Island, I live in Hicksville i was thinking about checking out the Kogokan dojo in port washington as well, if you go there can you tell me how it went? The Problem im having though is since im only 15 I need to get driven there and that makes the Ken-Zen Long Island out of the question sice it would be about 1 1/2 hours each way and my parents would freak about that, i was thinking about that one in flushing as well but now that ive heard what you say that is probably out of the question.

[taiwnezboi]

there is a SungMooKwan in New York also.. I think it's on Long Island.. they're really good too

[dennis]

do you know if the SungMooKwan place has a website? or do you know of any way to contact it? b/c i did a search on google and it turned up nothing

[taiwnezboi]

do you know if the SungMooKwan place has a website? or do you know of any way to contact it? b/c i did a search on google and it turned up nothing

just had to put some spaces

http://kumdo.co.kr/kendoacademy/

[taiwnezboi]

hmmm I'm looking at the website and it doesn't have the New York dojang.. but I'm pretty sure they have one because my dojang went to a tournament there this weekend

[dennis]

ok thanks anyway...right now im thinking the dojo in port washington is a betters choice b/c since the one in flushing is $130 a month it would be cheaper for me to take the $20 round trip train to new york city and going to the main branch of the ken zen institute since they only charge a $75 membership and $50 a month...i still need to find out info on the one in port washington ive heard good things but id like to speak to the sensai and take a trip to the dojo (sorry for the lack of punctuation in this pst but i am lazy)

[dennis]

do you know if the Sung Moo place has an email address i can contact...i couldnt find it on the website and was hoping maybe you had it, b/c i could always contact the sensai and ask him if there is a dojang on long island

[Snobody]

I think Kongokan dojo in Port Washington no longer exists...
I went to look for it and couldn't find it anywhere (under multiple listed locations online). Also, the updated AUSKF page doesn't list the Kongokan dojo anymore.

[Kaoru]

Hi everybody,

I found the Kongokan dojo listed on the Kendo America site here:

http://www.kendo-usa.org/statedojolist.htm#NY

And, here is the dojo and contact info.

KongoKan Dojo
735 Port Washington Rd.
Port Washington, NY
M F 8:30-10pm Sa 9am-11am
Contact: Kazuo Kato (631)669-8635
E-mail: sabreminc@earthlink.net

I also just did a search to see if this dojo has a webpage, and it does not. So, you'll just have to try to call Kato-sensei to ask if this dojo still exists.

I hope this helps!

Kaoru

[taiwnezboi]

do you know if the Sung Moo place has an email address i can contact...i couldnt find it on the website and was hoping maybe you had it, b/c i could always contact the sensai and ask him if there is a dojang on long island

sorry I just knew the website.. but OldWarrior is from Sung Moo Kwan so maybe he could tell you...

[Old Warrior]

sorry I just knew the website.. but OldWarrior is from Sung Moo Kwan so maybe he could tell you...

Sung Moo Kwan in NJ has their own website http://kendoacademy.com/kendoacademy/index.html

I am not aware that any Sung Moo in NY is a school owned or run by Grandmaster Seong.

BTW - I went to the LI competition and watched all the Hwa Rang warriors. I went down in the first round 1-0. I was sure I scored 2 points (and so was, at least, 1 referee, each time) but, I still enjoyed the experience. Being lumped in the same group with 25 years olds, who are grades above me, makes it unlikely that I could have great success. Nevertheless, for me, showing up and giving a good accounting for myself is what the whole Kumdo journey is about. The only small satisfaction I have is that the chap who beat me - won the division.

[sminki]

hmmm I'm looking at the website and it doesn't have the New York dojang.. but I'm pretty sure they have one because my dojang went to a tournament there this weekend

There are two different Sung Moo Kwan. Same sound, different Chinese characters, different teachers. There are two in NJ by master Seong (7 dan kyoshi, www.kendoacademy.com) and one in Long Island, NY by master Kim (5 dan, no website). Two different schools.

[Snobody]

Kaoru I'd stick to the AUSKF listing. Kongokan used to be listed there until their most recent update, when it was taken off. 735 Port Washington Blvd (Port Washington road doesn't even exist) is the location of some insurance company or something...I think that address is wayy outdated. I also did other searches and came up with another Port Washington address that turned out to be a community center type of place, but they didn't know about any kendo classes (or what it was, for that matter).
The phone number is also dead, I think.

Searches for Kazuo Kato and kendo together only led me to some Hawaiian Iaido things, because he did some seminars in Hawaii. I looked long and hard for that dojo, because if it existed it would be 10 minutes from my house. It's a shame it seems to have disappeared.

[Masahiro]

Wada shiwa Nihonjin desu. I am not very fond of the Koreans or their version of kendo. But I would like to point out Koreans kumdo players almost always come in 2nd in the past WKCs and over all regional tournaments in the U.S. So to say the least, I have a lot respect for them despite my dislikes in their version of kendo. And although not many will tell you to pick the korean dojan over a Japanese dojo. I say pick whichever one that fits your taste the best after you've gone to observe their classes. I have seen some very impressive Korean kumdo fencers! Thus, I don't think it is a matter of which one you choose to do as oppose to how you do it. good luck with your journey,

[kendokamax]

When I came back from Japan I saw kumdo dojo perform in a tournament in Canada. Their kumdo seemed really similar to Japanese kendo. There wasnt any big difference in my opinion.

I had some friends from korea in my Japanese University and you could really see the difference of their kendo and the japanese's kendo.

Its non stop attacking!!

So I thought in North America, it is pretty much the same.

[Old Warrior]

"I am not very fond of the Koreans or their version of kendo."

Do you really mean to state the inappropriate generality that you "are not fond of Koreans". We will all value your opinions more, if you avoid showing ignorance by saying that you are not fond of an entire nation of people, most of whom you have never met. I choose to believe that you have just had a slight language problem and do not harbor blind prejudice.

[taiwnezboi]

There are two different Sung Moo Kwan. Same sound, different Chinese characters, different teachers. There are two in NJ by master Seong (7 dan kyoshi, www.kendoacademy.com) and one in Long Island, NY by master Kim (5 dan, no website). Two different schools.

good call.. I just knew there was Sung Moo Kwan in NY because my dojang's website said the tournament was there

OldWarrior: Who did you lose to that won the division? Was it someone from my dojang?

[cst]

It seems his english is pretty good to me

[Masahiro]

"I am not very fond of the Koreans or their version of kendo."

Do you really mean to state the inappropriate generality that you "are not fond of Koreans". We will all value your opinions more, if you avoid showing ignorance by saying that you are not fond of an entire nation of people, most of whom you have never met. I choose to believe that you have just had a slight language problem and do not harbor blind prejudice.

Nope, I don't believe I made any mistakes. Please don't be "ignorant" by stating my prejudice is "blind". As I have never had a conversation with you with regards to my dislike in things. My opinion at best can be classified as "biased", but not blind. As for a lesson in English or morality, please consider your own ignorance before you post. Thank you for your kind reply.

[sminki]

Wada shiwa Nihonjin desu.

I don't know of any native Japanese speakers who would write this sentence this way with such spacing. How long have you been learning Japanese?

[Masahiro]

hahaha, that wasn't meant to be taken seriously. sorry,

[slidercrank]

Nope, I don't believe I made any mistakes. Please don't be "ignorant" by stating my prejudice is "blind". As I have never had a conversation with you with regards to my dislike in things. My opinion at best can be classified as "biased", but not blind. As for a lesson in English or morality, please consider your own ignorance before you post. Thank you for your kind reply.
So you really did mean to say that "I'm not very fond of the Koreans?"

I surmise from your messages that you must possess such a high degree of proficiency in the English language, and as well a supreme confidence in your own moral views as to be able to issue forth this all-encompassing, unambiguous statement that is remarkably unencumbered with any qualifier to its scope.

Can you be so kind as to explain how you have come to develope such a "biased opinion," as you'd say?

[taiwnezboi]

I am not very fond of the Koreans or their version of kendo.

Take your racism elsewhere.

[Masahiro]

Take your racism elsewhere.
Please consider the following,

>>>"I dislike the Koreans very much", " I hate Koreans" and "I am not very fond of Koreans or their version of kendo" are 3 distinct expressions. With that said, words are up for interpretation! So, if you should feel strongly offended by your interpretations I apologize. It wasn't my intended purpose for stating my opinion. Should you feel so negative and accuse me of being a racist, that I can't over look. Because I am not. "Racism:The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others." wow, indeed racism is word of extreme account.
And note, dislike is certainly different from disdain. As I mentioned before, I have a large amount of respect for Korean kumdo fencers. Does it make me a racist simply because I said "I am not very fond of Koreans or their version of kendo"? If that is the case, am I racist towards long island oysters! Becase I am not very fond of them either. No less, have it anyway you wish. As for explanation behind my words? I believe that wont be necessary. Suppose if i said I like fish from Japan the best, would you have me explain? While we need to state valid reasons for nearly everything we do to justify ourselfs, I feel perhaps this isn't one of them. The topic is about what I would do in if i were in Snobody's situation. As long as that's answered. you may have the rest of the conversations between yourselfs for the remainder of this thread.

[dennis]

i live on long island and i find your racism towards our oysters quite offensive:)

[Bleda]

Dear Mr. Masahiro,
This message is to notify you that you have been served in the case of the Long Island oysters against Masahiro for emotional damage and libel caused by your statements.

If you have any questions feel free to contact me.

[dennis]

oh just a correction i think it would be species-ism b/c i dont think that oysters are a race of people if anyone here is an oyster then id like to recant my previous statement

[Masahiro]

Dear Mr. Masahiro,
This message is to notify you that you have been served in the case of the Long Island oysters against Masahiro for emotional damage and libel caused by your statements.

If you have any questions feel free to contact me.
your honor, I would like to appeal for a trial for compelled motion! hahahahaahah.. :smiley:

[Bleda]

your honor, I would like to appeal for a trial for compelled motion! hahahahaahah.. :smiley:
Denied, i hereby grant the oyester their request to "crack you open and swallow your innards" as they put it.

Thank you and have a nice day.

[Masahiro]

hahahahaha, where's the justice in this? I shall serve my sentence and eat as much Long Island Oysters as I possibly can from now forth. .. ...muahahahaha! :smiley: