Classes to take if your going to open your own dojo...

[Kenshin Himura]

Well... If you were to open your own dojo and teach some form of swordsmanship or make your own... What highschool/college classes would you have to teach?

[Hattori Hanzo]

You would have to know something about accounting, managing your own business, Some economics classes, your dojo doesn't have to support you but it shouldn't put you in debt either, I don't think it would be too much different than setting up a small service buisness.

[Kenshin Himura]

You would have to know something about accounting, managing your own business, Some economics classes, your dojo doesn't have to support you but it shouldn't put you in debt either, I don't think it would be too much different than setting up a small service buisness.
shouldnt be that juch unless your going to have an indoor dojo in your house like I'm planning. lol expensive but itll pay off. lol

[JSchmidt]

Be competent in whatever you are going to teach.

[Kenshin Himura]

Also, anybody know the requirements or whatever you need to make your own style of fighting/swordsmanship? lol I might give it a shot.. I've got a nack at creativity. lol

[Hattori Hanzo]

Bunch of suckers that will buy into it? lol

[Kaoru]

Well... If you were to open your own dojo and teach some form of swordsmanship or make your own... What highschool/college classes would you have to teach?

Hi Kenshin-san,

Expect to have to earn a Menkyo Kaiden license from Japan if it's Koryu(Classical Japanese sword arts), and that can take like, 20 or more years to obtain. And, it is rare to earn one. You don't just open a dojo. If it's Kendo, you have to train for like, 20 years probably too, before you can teach.

Kenshin-san, hop back to the Samurai Forum or e-budo and ask this. The sensei on e-budo can really tell you a lot about teaching and what it takes.

And, you don't have to teach anything at a college or university. You just have to have trained and studied in a legit dojo and earned a Menkyo Kaiden to teach a Koryu JSA art(Of which there are many diferent Ryu. Ryu means style.), and if it's Kendo, be at a certain dan level in Kendo, and I think that's at least 3-4th dan or so. Ask one of the sensei here, to know what leverl a Kendoka can teach and run a dojo at. Better yet, ask Hyaku-sensei. He does both Kendo and Koryu Kenjutsu and teaches both arts.

Just so you know...YOU CAN'T MAKE UP YOUR OWN SWORD ART AND TEACH IT!

(I'm not yelling at you... I am putting emphasis on my words, since this is not in person.)

Anyway, making up a sword art and teaching it, was already discussed in the Samurai Forum. Ask about that in the Samurai forum, and they'll not be happy. Worse, on e-budo.

Does that help answer your question?

Kaoru

P.S. I posted dojos for you in the "Can someone help me?" put up by Himura Kenshin-san. Did you notice that? Please check them out.

[Kenshin Himura]

Hm... I dont live near any Kendo dojos.. oh! and um.. well.. I know I can open up or at least help with a Martial arts dojo, because I'm going to an Instructor Meeting soon to learn about it (I'm only 14 and wow I can already be a martial arts co-instructor. lol) anyways, thanx

[Kaoru]

I also want to add, since the edit time is so limited,

Go to Koryu.com to learn about the Koryu arts. I suggest you read all the articles on that site. They are written by prominant Koryu sensei.

http://koryu.com

I also wanted to add, that earning a Menkyo Kaiden is very, very hard to do. You must plan to work extremely hard. And, you must realise, that learning Koryu is a serious business. If you aren't ready to be serious and find a way to get to the dojos I posted for you, then you probably aren't ready to learn a JSA yet. It takes a certain amount of maturity to study any JSA, whether it be Kendo or Koryu. You may find out you aren't willing to work hard enough to become good enough to be qualified to earn that license. And, that's ok. Doing the aet for fun, is just as good. But, you will not be allowed to teach it. The Koryu arts control who can and can't teach, very well. Kendo doesn't require a license, but, it does require you be trained in a legit dojo and hold a certain level of dan grade.

Kaoru

[Kenshin Himura]

I can't go to the 2 dojos you showed me. I'm only 14 so I have to rely on my parents to help me out with it, and I can't get a job to pay for it. lol

[Kaoru]

Hm... I dont live near any Kendo dojos.. oh! and um.. well.. I know I can open up or at least help with a Martial arts dojo, because I'm going to an Instructor Meeting soon to learn about it (I'm only 14 and wow I can already be a martial arts co-instructor. lol) anyways, thanx


Niot in sword arts you can't. Remember that. I might let people know you are not a legit swordarts teacher. Trust me on that. I might post it on both of the other forums, too. Not to be mean, but we don't need people teaching fake sword arts, and making a mockery of it all. I am not joking, by the way.

You ALSO can't teach at 14. I don't know what fake dojo you are talking about, but run away as far as you can. Without training in ANY martial art and be past the black belt level, YOU CAN'T TEACH!!!

Kaoru

[Kenshin Himura]

I'm not talking about teaching on my own. I'm talking about being beside the instructor during class.. Basically.. like a helper ^^x'. Anyways, I'm not saying I'm GOING to teach a sword art I made up!!!.. oh wait you were kiddign there.. I wasnt going to anyways. if I did teach I'd make sure to do it for a long time and teach a REAL one. lol anyways I realised I can possibly attend the kendo classes at Yale! ^.^x lol
Anyways, I don't go to a fake dojo. Its martial arts.. And this place is different. It has MANY different rules and such.. but.. *shrugs* I'm not sure. Teaches Shaolin Kempo Karate.. Well.. maybe if you were in it you'd understand. lol Its not a kendo place at all though.

[Kaoru]

I can't go to the 2 dojos you showed me. I'm only 14 so I have to rely on my parents to help me out with it, and I can't get a job to pay for it. lol


Have you bothered asking them? The one in Stamford has a kids class for your age level. If you can go at least twice a month, that would be good. I go twice a month, because my dojo is 2 1/2 hrs away, in one direction. And, my Mom drives me. You should at least just call the sensei and go watch a practice to see what it really is. You have a choice there of Kendo or Iaido. Iaido is a Koryu art. It is the art of drawing and cutting in one motion. Kenjutsu is the battlefield art, and is not available in your state.

You won't need Kendo armor for a very long time(You'll wear school armor, called bogu.), and the uniform is bought only when the sensei says to, and if you buy the uniform at bogubag.com, it isn't as much as other shops. Only worry about the things you need after watching a practice. The dojo fees might not be very much. I am sure you could discuss this with the sensei here. There are no testing fees like a run of the mill Martial Art has.
You'll just havr to pay the annual All US Kendo Feferation dues, and dues for kids are less than for adults. I think yours would be what... 25 dollars for the year?

And, if it is just not possible to train, read, read, read books on Koryu and Kendo. You will be able to when you get old enough to drive, if that's what you have to do. Just don't try to teach yourself. You'll just have to unlearn very bad habits. Trust me, that's not fun, and a huge waste of time. You can even go to a college where a Koryu or Kendo is available in the city the school is in. You are young, and have lots of time to learn a JSA. There is no rush. :)

Kaoru

[Kenshin Himura]

I emailed the guy who runs the kendo school in Yale University. I might be able to get there easier.. ^^x you have no idea how devoted I am.. lol although I'm still not sure.. I'm pretty close to M.A.....

[Kaoru]

I'm not talking about teaching on my own. I'm talking about being beside the instructor during class.. Basically.. like a helper ^^x'. Anyways, I'm not saying I'm GOING to teach a sword art I made up!!!.. oh wait you were kiddign there.. I wasnt going to anyways. if I did teach I'd make sure to do it for a long time and teach a REAL one. lol anyways I realised I can possibly attend the kendo classes at Yale! ^.^x lol
Anyways, I don't go to a fake dojo. Its martial arts.. And this place is different. It has MANY different rules and such.. but.. *shrugs* I'm not sure. Teaches Shaolin Kempo Karate.. Well.. maybe if you were in it you'd understand. lol Its not a kendo place at all though.


Ah, I see! :) Well, have you been training in that art for a while? Thank you for explaining further. :) I appreciate it. I know what that style is.

Oh, and if you haven't trained in it for long, you may want to just pass on helping teach for a while longer to get better at it. But, if you've been training for a while, helping the sensei will show you what you know and teach you a few things. You will learn about yourself as a student and your own training. When I used to do Tae Kwon Do, I was allowed to help teach in the lower rank classes when I got to a certain belt level(blue in ATA TKD)
and I loved it. I wanted badly to take the test at red belt to become a trainee instructor, so knowing that, my sensei let me prepare for it, by allowing me to teach small groups of students under their supervision. I did this for about a half of a year, before we moved and I had to quit TKD. It was very rewarding, and I learned a lot about my own skills I needed to work on. So, if you are at the right level, and your sensei says yes, I hope you enjoy it. I think it would be good for you. :)

The Yale one? Good! Please be sure to call the sensei first, and ask permission to watch a practice. Since it is a college dojo, you will want to make sure the sensei will let you practice there. The website doesn't say much about it, so it's just best to call. I don't think they teach Iaido there, though. I hope it works out that you get to go to either dojo! :)

Kaoru

[Hattori Hanzo]

Wow 25 a year? lol my Due's at the Local Y are like 35 a month...speaking of which crap...they are about to come up this week. for Feb.

[Kaoru]

I emailed the guy who runs the kendo school in Yale University. I might be able to get there easier.. ^^x you have no idea how devoted I am.. lol although I'm still not sure.. I'm pretty close to M.A.....

Massachusets(Spelling is off today.) you mean? There are dojos there, too.
Did you say Enfield is where you live? I forgot... sorry. Ifd I know, I can look on a map to see if any I know are close.

Kaoru

[Kaoru]

Wow 25 a year? lol my Due's at the Local Y are like 35 a month...speaking of which crap...they are about to come up this week. for Feb.

No... that's federation dues, which are not the same as club dues. :)

Kaoru

[Kenshin Himura]

no M.A=martial arts

[Kenshin Himura]

My Martial Arts lessons are about $160 a month, plus tournoments and weapons for Leadership class (wich is for people who do really well).. overall.. my parents spend about $2000 in a year for Martial Arts. I live in Enfield. I cant go to Yale because its in NEW HAVEN!! The other is in Stamford. The drive is way to long, I live halfway across the state. I need a dojo VERY EXTREMALY CLOSE TO ENFIELD,CONNECTICUT.

[Kaoru]

My Martial Arts lessons are about $160 a month, plus tournoments and weapons for Leadership class (wich is for people who do really well).. overall.. my parents spend about $2000 in a year for Martial Arts. I live in Enfield. I cant go to Yale because its in NEW HAVEN!! The other is in Stamford. The drive is way to long, I live halfway across the state. I need a dojo VERY EXTREMALY CLOSE TO ENFIELD,CONNECTICUT.

What I and everybody else will tell you is, you will have to find a way to get there, if you are that serious about training. Read what I said above about how often I go, and that I am driven by a relative...my Mom.

Twice a month is just fine. I just looked on a map, and it is probably an hour to and hour and a half to the Yale dojo. Twice a minth is better than not learning a JSA. Trust me, it's better than wishing for it, if you can coinvince your parents to let you.

If you can't, just do what I said in my previous post, ok? Patience is something you will learn in Kendo an any other JSA. If you practice that now, that will help your training, when you get older. So, being patient and having to wait for it, is good training, too.

There is nothing in JSA, I am sorry to say, in Enfield, or near it.

Kaoru

[Will]

I keep reading your threads and you keep saying you rely on your parents to do this and that.

Stop relying on your parents.

You're 14, time to grow up into a man.

You've already established the fact that there is no dojo near you, over and over, and keep trying to find loop holes. Stop that man... Don't try to think of clever ways to do something, like start your own sword school or what not. It's actually kind of pissing me off. If you want to take kendo, you had three options, the two dojos in CT and the Yale dojo. Figure out a way to go to one of those dojos. Don't make excuses on how your parents support you, blah blah blah, figure out a way. If you're truly dedicated you would take the bus, steal a car, hitch hike, learn to fly, do something other than making excuses over and over and try to figure out a loophole, you're spamming up the forum. If you have to wait 2 years to start kendo, then wait two years, don't try to do your stupid anime wannabe stuff because you all of a sudden think sword fighting is cool. If you have to wait 4 years for college, wait 4 years... Don't try to lie to yourself of what you're doing is right and all that BS.

p.s. And $2000 year for martial arts is pretty pricey in my opinion. They're gouging you young one.

[Kaoru]

Ack, Will-san!

Don't mention stealing a car for heaven sakes! What if a person took that seriously??

Kaoru

[Hattori Hanzo]

and if you do make it worth your while and steal something fancy, like an escalade :D just kidding.

[orayakab]

Man...of all the posts...this one takes the cake....

To run your own dojo don't you have to have some relative proficiency in whatever art you're going to be teaching? I mean come on.....This minnow has a junior level rank in shorinji kempo practicing for what? a mere 6 months? And It seems like he's self teaching himself some type of animation related Sword art......judging by that picture I don't know what to call it.....

This kid has virtually no experience, no connections, no in-depth knowledge, and probably no skills to pass onto a new generation.

To have a dojo means taking on deshi and nurturing their martial arts progress and molding them as a person. Trying to run a dojo by assisting a teacher is Not the way to run a dojo, nor is it conducive to developing an individual as a person.

What is going to happen to the students if you go away to college? These aren't like Health Clubs you know...you don't open and close at your convenience...

Let's get serious here...

Orayakab, U.

[xvikingx]

Will and Orayakab are 100% correct; you need to stop complaining about what you CAN'T do and start figuring out what you can do. If you are as serious as you say, take a little responsibility and start realistically thinking about how you can start kendo (or whatever it is you want to learn). You can't work at 14? Bag groceries, mow a lawn, take care of someone's dog, help out at a local hardware store, be a helping hand for some elderly people in the neighborhood... If you show your parents how serious you are about this by getting a PT job, then maybe your folks would consider driving you.
You've talked about how you searched and searched, but have you found this: http://www.kendoka.org/camp.html ? I am sure your parents would be a lot happier with $450 and small vacation every summer, than dishing out $2,000 for "martial arts training" and replica swords.

[Dan Shea]

I seem to remember alot of fanatasy ninjas in the 80's.
I guess fantasy samurai is the martial arts fad for this decade? ;)

Ahhh...the folly of youth...:laugh:

[ALI G]

And It seems like he's self teaching himself some type of animation related Sword art......judging by that picture I don't know what to call it.....

Sinz homeboy claimz hez notz a 4-K Pozer...

http://www.angelfire.com/psy/kenshinhimura/images/swords.jpg

Maybez hez developingz a new ryu called "Hedge Trimmer-Ryu"....
Youz shud callz him when youz bonzai needz trimmingz....

bahahahahahahaha

[Kenshin Himura]

Hm? Ok some of you arent loooking at reality. My swords I own have nothing to do with my martial arts training. My martial arts classes are one hour long, 3 times a week, plus I get weapons for leadership training (such as bo-staff, broad sword, nunchaku, etc.) I don't know, but I'm alot stronger now than I was before... And also, did you see the post where I basically dropped the subject about making a sword style or running a dojo? I kinda figured thats too expensive anyways. And right now, no, I cant even bag groceries, I have to be 16. Oh well, screw this. All other posts I made just ignore them. I figured I cant get ideas or help here anyways.

And Ali G, what the hell is your problem? Your probobly the 4k who probobly doesnt even have a real sword and runs around goin "blahahahahah! I'm some crazy man with a FAKE PLASTIC SWORD! I'm the master of em all! hahaha!"
Why don't you shut up and leave me alone? I'm naieve. i'm 14, no kendo training, and I have a big imagination and creativity. Give a bit of respect, or stop annoying me.

(sorry if I seemed rude in this post to all of you.. I.. had a bad day at school.. not gunna talk about it here)

[Kenshin Himura]

and that picture was just a way to hold swords!!!!! I was holding swords!! whats all your problems!?!?!?!? WHY THE HELL ARE YOU MAKING ME FUCKING WORSE WHEN IM ALREADY ABOUT .. oh... ehe.. I'm.. losing my temper again.. sorry ^^x'.. forgive me. I'm gone.

[mingshi]

Everyone... should just chill... I seriously think that this Kenshin Himura is closely related to Tew Ryu or any other deadly ninja arts. He has been brainwashed in some ways, and that's why he is not listening to what we are all trying to say. Especially Kaoru-san, I bet he cannot even understand anything at koryu.com

GET A LIFE, DUDE!

Little you know that many of us spent/sacrificed a great chunk of our time/money/life working out ways we can get proper training. We train hard, we read loads, we travel for such long distance, we wait for years for the opportunities, and eventually some of the luckier ones managed to get to Japan. Things don't just drop in front of your doorsteps. YOU are the one who makes the journey.

People who think they can set up their own dojo TEACHING THEIR SO-CALLED SWORD STYLE are no different than any McDojo.

BTW I can only kendo every 3 weeks this year, and I am so desprite to hit someone on the head right now!!!

<end rant>

[Kenshin Himura]

mingishi, I think your the nicest person who's tried to tell me something here so far. Yes.. well.. I could say I've been brainwashed.. by... current.. happenings.. but thats my personal life, nobody needs to know. Anyways.. well.. yes.. we should all chill.. ^^x' lol sorry if I wab being an idiot again.

[Will]

Hm? Ok some of you arent loooking at reality. My swords I own have nothing to do with my martial arts training. My martial arts classes are one hour long, 3 times a week, plus I get weapons for leadership training (such as bo-staff, broad sword, nunchaku, etc.) I don't know, but I'm alot stronger now than I was before... And also, did you see the post where I basically dropped the subject about making a sword style or running a dojo? I kinda figured thats too expensive anyways.


All you want out of this forum is people to agree with you or say "Sure, i'll teach you." You're looking for an easy way out. You're interpretting our truths as attacks (which well, they are I guess). Stop making excuses and why don't you look at the reality of the situation: all you want is someone to do the work for you. Once again, grow up.

...and I couldn't care less if you were having a bad day at school. We all have bad days, you just got to learn how to handle it. My recomendation, don't try to project/displace or anything else with your anger onto us. This is online, it's a lot easier to calm down online...stop craving for attention and pretending like this forum is in person (e.g. capital letters=yelling and frustration).

lastly, when you said "I am stronger than I was before..." stop trying to be a dramatic, this isn't a cartoon. You don't need to get us "pumped up and ready to flip out (http://www.realultimatepower.net)".

[orayakab]

and that picture was just a way to hold swords!!!!! I was holding swords!! whats all your problems!?!?!?!? WHY THE HELL ARE YOU MAKING ME FUCKING WORSE WHEN IM ALREADY ABOUT .. oh... ehe.. I'm.. losing my temper again.. sorry ^^x'.. forgive me. I'm gone.

Dude...What a psycho....This is further proof that a Sensei should not be determined by the desire to teach or rank, but also maturity in life.

Orayakab, U.

[Hingus]

Kenshin;

Try not to take my comments as judgemental, but as someone who has trained in martial arts for over 20 years in the Karate world and just a beginner in the kendo world with 2 years in I have some feelings here. I feel that there are a great many of us who have trained a very long time and sacrificed more than you can possibly imagine to our arts in terms of time, money and relationships. We will take it very personally when somebody comes in here at such a young age with such mis-directed enthusiasm.

Your enthusiasm is enviable, but focus your enthusiasm on learning your art and learning yourself. Do not be too eager to "Be on your own" with regard to teaching or creating a martial art. If you try too soon, you will fail. Even under the best circumstances running a dojo is not an easy task especially in the early years of a dojo existance.

Creating a Ryu is not something to do early in a martial arts career either. In your studies of the great martial artists in history, you will learn that the Soke of a school typically was of advanced years when his Ryu came together. This was almost always when he had many many years of training and studying with many different teachers.

I ask you this: What is your hurry? You have the rest of your life!

[Hattori Hanzo]

Speaking of sword arts....what is the youngest and still practicing sword art now?

[Kaoru]

Speaking of sword arts....what is the youngest and still practicing sword art now?

Do you mean the JSA that is the most recent legitimate Ryu ha? I don't know. Actually, you could go to e-budo and ask them that question, and I know that at least one sensei there could probably answer your question.

http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?forumid=16

Don't forget to post using your full real name. I hope that helps!

Kaoru

[Sakabatou]

Internet is internet and people's mistakes can be forgotten. Its the ones who continuously bring them up that are stupid.

[Shiro]

Internet is internet and people's mistakes can be forgotten. Its the ones who continuously bring them up that are stupid.

So you're saying you can sell bs on this forum and you don't give us the right to be slightly irritated by your immature behaviour?

[Sakabatou]

... Well I understand that forgiveness and sincereity arent always the top of the line act of people anymore. The only reason I said what I did was because even after I atone for my immaturity or give a reasoning to proove them right and me wrong they sometimes go on telling me down more. lol its nothing to get serious over anyways, not now. lol

[Will]

... Well I understand that forgiveness and sincereity arent always the top of the line act of people anymore. The only reason I said what I did was because even after I atone for my immaturity or give a reasoning to proove them right and me wrong they sometimes go on telling me down more. lol its nothing to get serious over anyways, not now. lol

It's because you won't shut up. Don't reply to this message, just shut up.

[litige]

Max delete des msgs, ya pu de place dans ta boite

[Yowai]

Oops. Now we know that litige controls the "Ali G" alias.

Not very interesting.

[Shiro]

Oops. Now we know that litige controls the "Ali G" alias.

Not very interesting.

That's not Ali G-ish, that's french, ignorent one :p

[litige]

Yes.. well.. I could say I've been brainwashed.. by... current.. happenings.. but thats my personal life, nobody needs to know.

you got raped by a gun and now you want revenge?

[Musha]

I said I wasn’t going to post again... but I can't help my self. Maybe just once a week :D.

Mingshi only once a Month? Come to Birmingham light hall school 10am Saturday I want to fence with you... if they let me in hehe.

[Sakabatou]

Hahaha I can't belive how stupid I was to put such a stupid thread here x.x maybe I should only post in the flames... hahah