Ugly American....

[rainmaker]

Many Americans wonder why foreigners hate America.. Unless you have met and epxperience with different people, they do have very small chance to meet with them. Either from American movie or whatever they say or portrayed on the media. This youtube video is what they are showing in Korea... 50K viewers in 4 days and shown on every freaking Korean newspaper. It is about dumb GI beating 60 years old man. Shouting he used to fought in Iraq for America. I am sure there are lot of good man out there fighting for their county. But we don't need freaking psycho fighting for your country... Sad...

http://www.youtube.com/user/hucksey#p/u/0/QR8p1Dwn918

[ben]

This thread probably should get moved to Flames sharpish. I can see things heating up pretty quickly. For mine, I'd call it a classic case of combined testosterone-alcohol poisoning.

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[Anonymous]

Truthfully, I don't see this as being very different than any other drunk moron being an asshole.

[rainmaker]

yeah, it should be move to flames... time for grill~~

[UnimportantHero]

Truthfully, I don't see this as being very different than any other drunk moron being an asshole.

He is a soldier, which means he represents more than just himself, especially when he is abroad in another nation. People do not have the privilege or being just another moron while they are servicemen. I do not drink, but it is the same reason that I could lose my job were I to go out drinking in my EMS uniform. The difference there, though, is that soldiers are still soldiers even when they are not in uniform.

[FastKendo]

I can understand someone's get mad at being shouted like that. But since he's a GI, why not just laughing and entering the pub?
Punching an anonymous oldman like that proves that he's a low-minded.

ps. He need to learn Kendo :D

[b8amack]

Makes you wonder what happened before they started filming...

[stealth_monkey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpAO8HHwrAQ&feature=related

Lucky the Koreans are such a peaceful people. There are always going to be people who put on uniforms and then do bad things. Hell, we do a Japanese martial art. Putting someone on a pedestal just because they wear a certain type of clothing is always going to end in dissapointment

As for the media, yes, the media sensationalises things, it's what it does. I argue that reproducing the link onto a random forum makes you a party to that.

[Fred27]

Drunken soldiers and sailors have always wrecked havoc when on leave and shore-leave respectively.

Just check out the debate on Okinawa and the bases there.

[rainmaker]

These are two different occasion. Yours is during demonstrator fighting against mops.. Even though it should be peaceful demonstration, it is not. And hence you have to expect some kind of violence. You probably want to find better youtube...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpAO8HHwrAQ&feature=related

Lucky the Koreans are such a peaceful people. There are always going to be people who put on uniforms and then do bad things. Hell, we do a Japanese martial art. Putting someone on a pedestal just because they wear a certain type of clothing is always going to end in dissapointment

As for the media, yes, the media sensationalises things, it's what it does. I argue that reproducing the link onto a random forum makes you a party to that.

[ender84567]

unprovoked my ass, if either had just walked away there would be no issue. Both clearly drunk and being stupid both at fault for starting shit.

[MikeW]

Just goes to show that drunk people do stupid things. Doesn't matter if they wear uniform, are emperor, or clean stalls. Its unfortunate but certainly not limited to Americans only.

[b8amack]

I can't say I've never been tempted to do this. Drunk old assholes yelling at you is part of the foreign experience of living in Korea, unfortunately. You can't help but notice that the other guys' first instinct was to block the ajossi from approaching the guy. That says something, to me, about how "innocent" the old man was, Rainmaker. The young guy even asked him to go home. That doesn't mean the young guy was right, at all. And his little boo hoo speech about Iraq? Free pony rides the rest of his life probably weren't on his enlistment sheet.

[pgsmith]

Ugly American....

When I saw the thread title, I thought you guys were all going to be talking about me!! :)

[ender84567]

I can't say I've never been tempted to do this. Drunk old assholes yelling at you is part of the foreign experience of living in Korea, unfortunately. You can't help but notice that the other guys' first instinct was to block the ajossi from approaching the guy. That says something, to me, about how "innocent" the old man was, Rainmaker. The young guy even asked him to go home. That doesn't mean the young guy was right, at all. And his little boo hoo speech about Iraq? Free pony rides the rest of his life probably weren't on his enlistment sheet.

I agree with this. You don't provoke soldiers, and I'm betting the old man made some comment about the military or soldiers that which is why he said something about his service, and why he doesn't have to put up with his shit. I once told a marine that I didn't think he looked that tough (while drunk) I ended up with my head through a door. Questioning or insulting someones service is the fastest way to get a rise, should have just walked away.

[b8amack]

Armchair detectiving here, but the soldier attacks when the old man goes for something in his pocket.

[turboyoshi]

Many Americans wonder why foreigners hate America..

I don't wonder why foreigners hate Americans. The reason is simple, they're as ignorant and as easily manipulated as Americans are. This is not a fault of race or nationality. Do you honestly believe soldiers of any other country are any different? Do you believe that this soldier represents the majority of American people? I'm not sure why you brought this up, I bet I could find cases of abusive foreign soldiers, even in countries where the media is controlled by the government.

While I condemn the actions of this individual, I don't believe it's representative of any group of people. Like Anonymous says, it's just another drunk asshat being himself. .

[rainmaker]

I agree that he was 100% drunk asshole. Yes, I do see them everywhere. However, they are supposed to be a soldier. Helping the poor, saving the world. That is why they are there for. Whether they like it or not, they are there to help the people. Not get drunk and beat up 60 years old man. Yes, this drunk asshole doesn't represent American people. Yes, I have met many good American people.

Whether you like it or not, if you are a soldier and sent to other country, you are representing US. You are an employee of US Government. Who has to most soldiers stationed in other country? I bet it is US. From the point of that 60 years old man and his family, whole American just become the worst enemy of the world. Thanks to that drunken bastard. When American government send out troops, they should educate about other cultures little bit more. If someone does wrong thing in other country, they should have more strict rules.




I don't wonder why foreigners hate Americans. The reason is simple, they're as ignorant and as easily manipulated as Americans are. This is not a fault of race or nationality. Do you honestly believe soldiers of any other country are any different? Do you believe that this soldier represents the majority of American people? I'm not sure why you brought this up, I bet I could find cases of abusive foreign soldiers, even in countries where the media is controlled by the government.

While I condemn the actions of this individual, I don't believe it's representative of any group of people. Like Anonymous says, it's just another drunk asshat being himself. .

[pgsmith]

That is why they are there for. Whether they like it or not, they are there to help the people.
I'm sorry, but that is an incorrect statement. Soldiers, of any nationality, are where they are to kill people, or control traffic, or clean up garbage, or build a road, or do whatever it is that they're told to do when their government sends them some where. They are NOT superheroes with unusual powers sworn to save the world from the evil Dr. Horsehead. They are ordinary people that have signed up for a stint in the military. The reasons for them doing so are going to be as varied as the people. They deserve our respect because they never know when their government is going to send them somewhere that people are shooting at them, and they can't quit if the job gets very nasty (and it does!).

Before troops are deployed overseas, they are required to go through a class in the host country's cultural mores, and there are strict penalties if they break those rules. It's very easy to sit back in your comfy chair and whine and complain about "what those soldiers should be doing!" From my perspective, unless you've actually been one of those soldiers in those sort of situations, you're just another whiner in the crowd and have no idea what you're talking about.

[rainmaker]

We habe seen many soldier who has not penalized fairly after what they have done. Yes, they are not super hero and we don't expect them to be a superhero. Purpose for them to be other country is not get drunk and beating others. From your point of view, it could be whining. But from our point of view, we are very upset. Yes, jobs can be nasty but that doesn't give them an excuse to misbehave like that. Maybe you know what you are talking about.. This is oath that soldiers have to take. Now, is this old man the enemy of US ?? Probably not. From drunken state he was, probably yes....

"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."



I'm sorry, but that is an incorrect statement. Soldiers, of any nationality, are where they are to kill people, or control traffic, or clean up garbage, or build a road, or do whatever it is that they're told to do when their government sends them some where. They are NOT superheroes with unusual powers sworn to save the world from the evil Dr. Horsehead. They are ordinary people that have signed up for a stint in the military. The reasons for them doing so are going to be as varied as the people. They deserve our respect because they never know when their government is going to send them somewhere that people are shooting at them, and they can't quit if the job gets very nasty (and it does!).

Before troops are deployed overseas, they are required to go through a class in the host country's cultural mores, and there are strict penalties if they break those rules. It's very easy to sit back in your comfy chair and whine and complain about "what those soldiers should be doing!" From my perspective, unless you've actually been one of those soldiers in those sort of situations, you're just another whiner in the crowd and have no idea what you're talking about.

[rainmaker]

Anyway, I guess I am not really mad at this American. I am actually mad that Korean government cannot and will not do anything about this. I am upset that he didn't even go to jail. I am also upset that this asshole giving bad name for good soldiers. I am pissed off that he beat 60 year old man.

oh well... move on.... but then again, what should I care ?

[Inner_Silence]

hey, long time no see...

anyway, I can talk from my latin american point of view. I dont think people "hate" or "dislike" US people as individuals, Ive known lots of people from the US and they where all good people.

first of all, americans dislike US people becouse they call themselves "americans". america is not a country, it is a continent and many of us find it offensive. most "americans" doesnt even know why the continent is named like this, if they have a little more culture they would know that tecnically "america" is actually more related to latin americans rather than english speakers americans, if you wanna know why, its homework, Im not in the mood for history class.

most of us not "US" americans dont feel represented in any way by the US way of life in general. also we dont want to feel represented by it. trough all latin american history, the US have successfully imposed by force their way of living in to our culture and identity and that translates in literally hundreds thousands of dead people, many of them where the uncle or the father or the brother of someone, only becouse in some moment of our history our political system did not pleased the US goverment, they just thought and still think that they are the right choice and everything else is wrong. we all went trough that and we all still remember, and we all have craved by fire and blood in our hearts the death of someone becouse the US didnt liked them thinking different. Im not gonna lie, of course everything is our fault also, but the US goverment shouldnt had stick its nose in something thats absolutely not of their business. and the worst part is that they did it without worrying about the consequences and trying to convince us that "its all for your own good and safety" only becouse its a profitable good business. also you cant say "no", the US is stronger and have a bigger and better army than any of us, every country that said "no" has ended invaded by any excuse, we dont want to end like that.

here we have a say that pretty much resume the whole story: "thank god we dont have oil!!! or we would get invaded too".

thats how many of us see it, I know its just a point of view, but whatever anyone may think, proof of the facts are at hand of everyone. interpretation of the facts its up to each one presonal heart. Im not going to convince anyone to think my way, and noone is going to convince me to think otherwise, so lets not make this an argue. I wrote this only for you to open up to a different view of things.

SO, you can figure out that the fact that people dislike "americans" has nothing to do with a drunken asshole hitting another guy. drunken assholes are all over whe world, we have them too. personally I think that if you believe that the video of the soldier hitting another person makes the world hate the us, you have a very narrow view of contemporary history.

ps: also becouse spanish talkers are more than english talkers, and we have to learn english but you dont have to learn spanish. non english talkers are kind of ignorant, but noone says nothing about non spanish talkers... >:(, even thou spanish is harder and way more complex than english.

[Inner_Silence]

...They are ordinary people that have signed up for a stint in the military. The reasons for them doing so are going to be as varied as the people. They deserve our respect because they never know when their government is going to send them somewhere that people are shooting at them, and they can't quit if the job gets very nasty (and it does!).
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so that makes it right? or it justify in anyway someones behavior??
it pretty much sounds like "but officer, why are you giving ME a speeding ticket??, everyone else is speeding too..."
besides... I wonder what would happen if in any other job you present yourself drunk and start hitting an old man...

[Big One]

Don't worry American, they are just jealous with your big screen TV.

[pgsmith]

This is oath that soldiers have to take. Now, is this old man the enemy of US ?? Probably not. From drunken state he was, probably yes....
I am very familiar with the oath thank you very much. My opinion is that if someone is drunk and cannot control their mouth, then they should expect someone else to control it for them. Just because the guy was in uniform changes nothing about the episode. I don't think it was the right thing to do, but events like that happen every weekend at some of the bars I've been to. You go up to any large fellow that's drunk in a bar and call him some choice names and say bad things about him. Then you'll get to see if he does the same thing to you that the soldier did to the old guy. Not saying it's necessarily right, just that it's life. If yo uwant to whine about life, be my guest, as I've said my piece.


so that makes it right? or it justify in anyway someones behavior??
Please point out where in my diatribe I even hinted that it was right or justified. My post was merely a response to someone's misguided idea that a soldiers duty is to "help the people".

it pretty much sounds like "but officer, why are you giving ME a speeding ticket??, everyone else is speeding too..."
besides... I wonder what would happen if in any other job you present yourself drunk and start hitting an old man...
Soldiers are not on the job 24 hours a day, 7 days a week unless they are told to be. So, are you trying to make me believe that you've never gotten drunk and stupid? I might believe the never drunk part, but your statements prove the other. Besides, the U.S. needs to get ready for its invasion of Venezuela. They have oil you know, and the U.S. will invade anyone with oil. :D

[Missingno.]

first of all, americans dislike US people becouse they call themselves "americans". america is not a country, it is a continent and many of us find it offensive. most "americans" doesnt even know why the continent is named like this, if they have a little more culture they would know that tecnically "america" is actually more related to latin americans rather than english speakers americans, if you wanna know why, its homework, Im not in the mood for history class.


So what do you want us to call ourselves then?

[verissimus]

hey, long time no see...

anyway, I can talk from my latin american point of view. I dont think people "hate" or "dislike" US people as individuals, Ive known lots of people from the US and they where all good people.

first of all, americans dislike US people becouse they call themselves "americans". america is not a country, it is a continent and many of us find it offensive. most "americans" doesnt even know why the continent is named like this, if they have a little more culture they would know that tecnically "america" is actually more related to latin americans rather than english speakers americans, if you wanna know why, its homework, Im not in the mood for history class.

most of us not "US" americans dont feel represented in any way by the US way of life in general. also we dont want to feel represented by it.

Isn't a national identity more desirable than one that is tied to your continent? For example, I'd much rather be referred to as an Indian, than as an Asian, because it's far more specific. It's never occurred me to ask before, but would someone from Brazil or Bolivia like to be called an 'American' instead of a 'Brazilian' or a 'Bolivian'? It makes sense that people from the United States would call themselves Americans because they're the largest component of the Americas.

Among all the reasons you've stated as to why someone from the Americas might dislike someone from the United States, this seems to be the least important. That's like someone from India or Sri Lanka stating a dislike for China/Japan/Korea because they've hijacked the 'Asian' label.

[UnimportantHero]

That does not change the fact that - as a serviceman - he was just as responsible for walking away, and he should have known better than to attack an unarmed civilian from a nation other than his own. Part of their training is meant to teach them to not engage in behavior like that, and this sorta thing is how court marshals can happen.

[Charles Lockhar]

first of all, americans dislike US people becouse they call themselves "americans".

So what you're saying is that folks from everywhere else in the Americas except U.S.? I'm not sure that makes sense. But I could be misunderstanding you. But you can see the irony going on there, right?


most "americans" doesnt even know why the continent is named like this, if they have a little more culture they would know that tecnically "america" is actually more related to latin americans rather than english speakers americans, if you wanna know why, its homework, Im not in the mood for history class.

Well, I apologize for my obvious ignorance of continental history, but I honestly hadn't realized there were so many folks of Italian descent throughout "Latin America."

Though, seriously, I'm just yanking your chain man, kidding around a bit.

However,


trough all latin american history, the US have successfully imposed by force their way of living in to our culture and identity...
<snip>
...becouse in some moment of our history our political system did not pleased the US goverment, they just thought and still think that they are the right choice and everything else is wrong.

My friend, if that's honestly how you view it, I feel that you are strongly missing the point of most U.S. activity in South America, and could use some history lessons yourself. Or, as you say, maybe it's a difference of opinion, though in my opinion, the facts speak for themselves.

[Charles Lockhar]

Many Americans wonder why foreigners hate America.. Unless you have met and epxperience with different people, they do have very small chance to meet with them. Either from American movie or whatever they say or portrayed on the media.

I have to say, overall, who cares. If you, or anyone else, wants to cherry-pick assaholic behavior to build up and support generalizations and stereotypes about Americans or anybody else, have at it. I think it's a waste of time.

I have met a huge number of different folks from different places, and if I was to judge whole peoples singly by their warts, it'd be incredibly unfair, both to the people I'm judging and to myself.

-Charles

[Inner_Silence]

So what you're saying is that folks from everywhere else in the Americas except U.S.? I'm not sure that makes sense. But I could be misunderstanding you. But you can see the irony going on there, right?

no, you are seeing it the other way around. obviously, chilean or peruvian or mexican or canadian or anyone that lives in america are americans. thats not whats offensive. the offensive part is that US people call themselves "americans" and at the same time they call mexicans "mexicans" and argentinean "argentineans" not also "americans" as they call themselves. it seems like in the US people minds, the "americans" are the ones that lives in the US, everyone else are chilean or mexican or whatever, so its like US is america and we are "everyone else" even thou latin americans are the ones define american culture and way of living. the "american way" only works in the island called US. I know its just a value judgment, not something based on facts, of course if we only talk about facts what you say is what makes sense, but thats how many people feels and "feeling" doesnt have to make sense at all. Im not making an argue in this one, Im just saying how things goes. we even have a known song that goes "latin america is a town in the SOUTH of the USA..."





My friend, if that's honestly how you view it, I feel that you are strongly missing the point of most U.S. activity in South America, and could use some history lessons yourself. Or, as you say, maybe it's a difference of opinion, though in my opinion, the facts speak for themselves.

buddy, I dont know how this is for US people, but to us is a very delicate matter. I agree to you that the facts speak for themselves. in my country we had the only communist president ever elected by popular demand in the history of the world in a normal and democratic act of voting. Im not judging if the goverment at that time was right or wrong, positive or negative. Im saying that the facts and empyrical evidence shows that the US goverment actively participated in the overthrow in wich many chilean died. again I want to make clear that Im not judging the goverment, Im just saying that the participation of the US in such act that ended in genocide, is clearly an act against democracy and freedom wich are exactly the same things that the US goverment said that they where protecting.

without going ant further, undeniable and irrefutable proofs show that US CIA agents (thats an euphemism to say what they really where: US terrorists supported by the US goverment) participated in the assasination of state chiefs and military generals that supported our legitimate democracy. as an example with name: Michael Townley, Cia agent, was the perpetrator (it means, he did it with his own hands) of the assasination of Orlando Letelier, Carlos Prats and others, some of them high command of deffense that supported democracy. many years after that, Chile demanded extradition for Townley to judge him for his crimes and guess what... he confessed the assasination and becouse of this, the US goverment protected him under the excuse of witness protection. so far he havent seen a single day in jail, have family and inmunity, protected by the US goverment.

Thats a real FACT. now you tell me how thats missing the point.

[MikeW]

Off topic a bit here but I always just figured citizens of the U.S.A. referred to themselves as 'Americans' because America is in the name of the country. I am under the understanding that no other country in North, Central, or South America actually have the name America in the name of the country.

[hyuna]

Haters gonna hate.

[Big One]

don't blame it on us. Most of the World call us American, blame it on them. Lets start to hate the rest of the World.

[sirius1906]

In the words of Argue Lance, "WAAAH!"

[Josh Reyer]

don't blame it on us. Most of the World call us American, blame it on them.
This. The word "American" used to refer to North American residents of European descent dates back to 1765 before there even was a United States of America. Further, we were the first American country, North or South, to break free of European rule. We ceased to be "English" and had to be called something else. It just happened to be "American".

I can understand Latin American resentment towards political actions of the USA. But getting mad because we're called "Americans" is just silly. It's part of our country's name, it dates back to before there were any free countries in the Western Hemisphere, and we're not doing it to thumb our noses at the other North American and South American countries.

[ender84567]

agree, considering the 'Americas' were named after an italian guy (purportedly) its a silly outrage.

[Kent Enfield]

first of all, americans dislike US people becouse they call themselves "americans". america is not a country, it is a continent and many of us find it offensive.
That may be how it works in Spanish, but not in English. In English, "America" is a country. "The Americas" are a pair of continents. "American" is not the direct equivalent of "americano" or "americana". It is in English what "estadounidense" is in Spanish. If you're basing your argument on how things work in Spanish, that's the same as arguing the meaning of "embarrassed" based on the meaning of "embarazada".

[Inner_Silence]

That may be how it works in Spanish, but not in English. In English, "America" is a country. "The Americas" are a pair of continents. "American" is not the direct equivalent of "americano" or "americana". It is in English what "estadounidense" is in Spanish. If you're basing your argument on how things work in Spanish, that's the same as arguing the meaning of "embarrassed" based on the meaning of "embarazada".

dude, I 100% agree with you. thts not the point anyway, I really dont know why its like this, but yours may be a good hypotesis

[MithLuin]

Yes. Citizens of the United States of America are called Americans in English. There has never been (to my knowledge) another English word for citizens of the USA.

I realize that Spanish handles this differently, but it isn't entirely fair to get upset at the US (and the rest of the world) for following the English convention.

The name 'America' (for the continents) comes from Italian mapmaker Amerigo Vespucci.

[Charles Lockhar]

<snip> even thou latin americans are the ones define american culture and way of living.

I would be very interested in seeing a justification for that statement, if you've got the time.


I know its just a value judgment, not something based on facts, of course if we only talk about facts what you say is what makes sense, but thats how many people feels and "feeling" doesnt have to make sense at all. Im not making an argue in this one, Im just saying how things goes.

If we're going to base it on popular opinion, I'd have to say that the third party perspective of, well, AFAIK most of the rest of the world may come into play. Because most of the rest of the world seems to hang the monicker of "Americon" on folks from the U.S., and labels the rest of the folks from America by their country of origin. I'm not making an argument out of this, I'm just saying how things go.



we even have a known song that goes "latin america is a town in the SOUTH of the USA..."

<snip>

Thats a real FACT. now you tell me how thats missing the point.

It is awesome when you do my work for me. You're original post indicated that the U.S. intrusions into S. American politics were some attempt to make the countries there little "mini-me" copies of the U.S. That implies benign intentions, and in that I strongly disagree. And Chile would have been my choice as well in showing that U.S. interference in S. American politics have rarely ever benign. The CIAs interference with Chilean politics at the behest of multi-national corporations (who were worried they would lose ownership of their assets there (IIRC there was a telecom company named Chilteco (sp?) that the favorite Presidential candidate was planning to "nationalise")) by bankrupting the Chilean economy and then supporting the Pinochet's coup and continued dictatorship could hardly be viewed as spreading "American" (ie U.S.) culture or customs. But I think we actually agree with each other on most things, just not how you put forth your point in your O.P.

-Charles

[Charles Lockhar]

we even have a known song that goes "latin america is a town in the SOUTH of the USA..."

Sorry, cut-n-paste problems, I meant to ask, where is this song from? Is that a from the U.S. or somewhere else?

-Charles

[Anonymous]

Until the rest of the world stops calling US citizens "americans" whining about it to people from the US seems awfully stupid.

[Wraith]

.... There has never been (to my knowledge) another English word for citizens of the USA.....

Oh, I think I've heard a few in my time.......:ponder:

[Inner_Silence]

so, you want to make it an argument, I see that my statements have touched your right conservative ultra republican nerve, in that case, may your imaginary friend "god" help me.


I would be very interested in seeing a justification for that statement, if you've got the time.
like it or not, latin american people share lots of things in common, one of those things is that we hate assholes that think that they are right only becouse they are being themselves. secondly, we may have issues, but we have a history in common, english speaking america is an island with their own way of living not shared by anyone else. the problem is that since US is full of the type of person that I mentioned before, they want to "share" their way of living with people that are not interested.
ps: no offense to US people, Im only offending this ultra right xenophobic facist assholes. but they also dont have souls so it doesnt matter.


If we're going to base it on popular opinion, I'd have to say that the third party perspective of, well, AFAIK most of the rest of the world may come into play. Because most of the rest of the world seems to hang the monicker of "Americon" on folks from the U.S., and labels the rest of the folks from America by their country of origin. I'm not making an argument out of this, I'm just saying how things go.
yeah, and I live one week in each country of the world, so I know whats everyone is thinking or mybe my imaginary friend jesus speaks in my head and tells me this things. I only talk about what I see. you still dont get the point, maybe what is said about the "translation" is right, in english there are many words that have no translation in spanish, so is the other way around. but you dont seem to get that its not the point. as I already said you can call yourself whatever you want, the thing is that many of us feel thats offensive becouse we are also americans, noone would voluntarily would want to be confused in a group like this. ok Ill put it in an analogy that you could understand: imagine that the name of US really is "united states of atheism", so, according to this all US citizen is called "atheist", but this cant be becouse you are not an atheist, you are a person that believes in such miths leyends and superstitions (even thou logically they makes no sense at all) and you dont want to be called "atheist" not becouse you dont live in the country called "atheism", also not becouse you care about being confused with a real atheist, you dont want it becouse you feel offended by it becouse you are called the same way of those hell awaiting fools.




It is awesome when you do my work for me. You're original post indicated that the U.S. intrusions into S. American politics were some attempt to make the countries there little "mini-me" copies of the U.S. That implies benign intentions, and in that I strongly disagree. And Chile would have been my choice as well in showing that U.S. interference in S. American politics have rarely ever benign. The CIAs interference with Chilean politics at the behest of multi-national corporations (who were worried they would lose ownership of their assets there (IIRC there was a telecom company named Chilteco (sp?) that the favorite Presidential candidate was planning to "nationalise")) by bankrupting the Chilean economy and then supporting the Pinochet's coup and continued dictatorship could hardly be viewed as spreading "American" (ie U.S.) culture or customs. But I think we actually agree with each other on most things, just not how you put forth your point in your O.P.

wow! thats an accurate summary of contemporary history of a country, especially since its made by someone that doesnt live there. I think that all the argue we have done for more than 20 years in my country to figure it out what exactly happened, also the time se spent to morn our deads of the genocide and try to close all this wounds that separate our people in two was a waste of time, we could have just asked to any foreigner ignorant facist stupid fool that we can find walking down the street to explain us what happen and how we have to deal with it.

sorry dude, you wanted it to play it like this.

[Inner_Silence]

...Im not saying its you, it could be any random person from whatever country.

[hl1978]

Would you prefer American's to reclaim the word Columbia for themselves? It was after all another name applied to the American Colonies and predates the south american columbia.

http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php/22192-survey-for-my-friend-in-Japan?p=407562&viewfull=1#post407562

[pgsmith]

Sheesh, did somebody say "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"?
First off, I don't agree with everything that my government does. You wish to paint the American people with the brush of our foreign policy makers that have apparently pissed you off. That is absolutely no skin off of my back, or any other American's back either. However, my personal opinion is that it's this sort of narrow minded fanatical jealousy that results in so many terrorist whackos that want to kill innocent people. Sounds to me like you're working your way to blowing something up.


Whiner!

[MikeW]

Once again, America is in the name of the country. This is just like Mexico (as an example). Mexico is Estados Unidos Mexicanos (United Mexican States). People don't refer to people from Mexico as the Staters, the United, or even the United Statians. They refer to residents as Mexicans, sometimes as Mexican Americans. What are you going to call someone from the United States of America? Once again, Staters? Unitedarians? No, Americans. It is easy to say and is part of the name of the country. Anyways, people in USA were not the ones that started to call residents Americans, the British used the term 'Americans' before the war of independence (also used the term colonists).

No need for name calling on anyone's part, lets try to figure this reiho thing out people.

[verissimus]

Yes, please let's get back to bashing the soldier who whacked the old guy, or the old guy who must have said something to irk the soldier, or the guy who stood by filming the whole thing and did nothing.

[stealth_monkey]

Not sure why we'd need to go back to that, given that this is a kendo forum and all. The thread has been completely off-topic since the first post

[pgsmith]

No need for name calling on anyone's part, lets try to figure this reiho thing out people.

You're absolutely correct Mike, I should apologize ...
I'm sorry he's a whiner.

[b8amack]

Americans stole my car.

[Missingno.]

Not sure why we'd need to go back to that, given that this is a kendo forum and all. The thread has been completely off-topic since the first post

Luckily this is the Flames forum and no one is actually gaining posts from this.

Oh wait,,

[Inner_Silence]

Sheesh, did somebody say "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"?
First off, I don't agree with everything that my government does. You wish to paint the American people with the brush of our foreign policy makers that have apparently pissed you off. That is absolutely no skin off of my back, or any other American's back either. However, my personal opinion is that it's this sort of narrow minded fanatical jealousy that results in so many terrorist whackos that want to kill innocent people. Sounds to me like you're working your way to blowing something up.


Whiner!

its easy to call "whiner" someone just becouse he doesnt agree with you.

I wonder why everybody hates america.... hmmm... maybe its becouse people like you.

[verissimus]

For someone who says:

"I live one week in each country of the world, so I know whats everyone is thinking or mybe my imaginary friend jesus speaks in my head and tells me this things. I only talk about what I see"

You sure tend to generalize a lot: "your right conservative ultra republican nerve", "everybody hates america", "US is full of the type of person that I mentioned before", etc.

[rainmaker]

Because someone disagree with you doesn't make them a narrow minded jealous terrorist.


Sheesh, did somebody say "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"?
First off, I don't agree with everything that my government does. You wish to paint the American people with the brush of our foreign policy makers that have apparently pissed you off. That is absolutely no skin off of my back, or any other American's back either. However, my personal opinion is that it's this sort of narrow minded fanatical jealousy that results in so many terrorist whackos that want to kill innocent people. Sounds to me like you're working your way to blowing something up.


Whiner!

[Inner_Silence]

Because someone disagree with you doesn't make them a narrow minded jealous terrorist.

hey! obviously everybody in the axis of evil are narrow minded jealous terrorist, maybe they dont even believe in jesus! otherwise why would they wear a belt of TNT?... right?

[hyuna]

Please stop feeding the trolls.

Everytime I check the New Posts and I see this thread come up, I have this brief moment of hope that things have either turned civil, or at least amusing. But instead it just keeps getting worse. I miss killfiles.

[rainmaker]

Nor a whiner.....


Because someone disagree with you doesn't make them a narrow minded jealous terrorist.

[Charles Lockhar]

so, you want to make it an argument, I see that my statements have touched your right conservative ultra republican nerve, in that case, may your imaginary friend "god" help me.

Very funny.

Argument, meh, not really, though I do enjoy rational discourse with people of different backgrounds. I'm not entirely sure if what we're doing here qualifies though.

I'm not sure what my religion or politics have to do with anything, but fwiw, faith-wise I'm a practicing Buddhist, politically I'm an odd combination of libertarian and socialist. So no you can insult and make fun of me bother personally AND accurately ;o)


like it or not, latin american people share lots of things in common, one of those things is that we hate assholes that think that they are right only becouse they are being themselves. secondly, we may have issues, but we have a history in common, english speaking america is an island with their own way of living not shared by anyone else. the problem is that since US is full of the type of person that I mentioned before, they want to "share" their way of living with people that are not interested.

I like, but I don't think it supports your assertion that Latin America defines American culture. Hating jerks isn't a distinctly Latin American trait, at least not within my, albeit limited, experience. And I don't see that a collection of countries with a shared background is particularly different than a collection of states with a shared background. I would say that our states have become more homogenized over time than the countries of S. America, but that doesn't support your argument, at least not as I understand it.

Maybe you didn't notice (and probably they wouldn't want to admit it), but the U.S. actually shares a certain amount of cultural "commonality" with Canada. Seriously, many people are confused, but Canada is not actually a state, it's a sovereign country, with it's own currency and everything. And yet, folks there often have at least passing familiarity with the English language, and in many circumstances seem quite similar to folks from the U.S. Well, they tend to be nicer, but that'll only get you so far in the big city.

Also, your assertion that Americans are trying to make S. American countries just like the U.S. continues to be unproven. Switching gears and claiming I'm ignorant with no understanding of Chile because I'm not from there is not supportive of your assertion.


ps: no offense to US people, Im only offending this ultra right xenophobic facist assholes. but they also dont have souls so it doesnt matter.

I don't see that calling me names is necessary, but if it makes you feel more of a man, you do what you gotta do.


yeah, and I live one week in each country of the world, so I know whats everyone is thinking or mybe my imaginary friend jesus speaks in my head and tells me this things. I only talk about what I see. you still dont get the point, maybe what is said about the "translation" is right, in english there are many words that have no translation in spanish, so is the other way around. but you dont seem to get that its not the point. as I already said you can call yourself whatever you want, the thing is that many of us feel thats offensive becouse we are also americans, noone would voluntarily would want to be confused in a group like this. ok Ill put it in an analogy that you could understand: imagine that the name of US really is "united states of atheism", so, according to this all US citizen is called "atheist", but this cant be becouse you are not an atheist, you are a person that believes in such miths leyends and superstitions (even thou logically they makes no sense at all) and you dont want to be called "atheist" not becouse you dont live in the country called "atheism", also not becouse you care about being confused with a real atheist, you dont want it becouse you feel offended by it becouse you are called the same way of those hell awaiting fools.

Dude, I'm sorry, I am stupid, that makes no sense to me at all.


wow! thats an accurate summary of contemporary history of a country, especially since its made by someone that doesnt live there.

It was intended to support my assertion that U.S. interference in Chile has not been with the intention of bringing the "freedoms" we have in the U.S. to Chile, or to share economic prosperity, but instead has only been to protect or push U.S. economic or political interests. And I think it did a good job, though much of what you wrote helped too.


sorry dude, you wanted it to play it like this.

That's ok, man. I think you have a lot more invested in this "conversation" than I do, and I hope that I'm not being overly irritating. I would not want to detract from the beauty of another person's day, and based on your response I feel that you're taking it really personally, but I'm hoping it's just maybe just a "miscommunication." But I realize that it's obviously something you feel passionately about, and I respect that.

-Charles, Ugly American. United Statesian. Soulless Xenophobe. One of those.

[h2o]

Sheesh, did somebody say "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"?
First off, I don't agree with everything that my government does. You wish to paint the American people with the brush of our foreign policy makers that have apparently pissed you off. That is absolutely no skin off of my back, or any other American's back either. However, my personal opinion is that it's this sort of narrow minded fanatical jealousy that results in so many terrorist whackos that want to kill innocent people. Sounds to me like you're working your way to blowing something up.

If the american people is not responsible for their governments action, who is? I agree that you as a single person might not be responsible, but the people as a whole must surely have some responsibility since:
A) The american people are the ones who elected the government, and
B) The government is made up by american people.

At least that is my understanding on how democracy usually works. :P

[Charles Lockhar]

At least that is my understanding on how democracy usually works. :P

We're a republic, not a democracy. We have leaders that we generally don't agree with.

Democracy in action: if I give you the choice between two options, call it a "vote," and those options are either a slap in the face or a punch in the stomach, and you go with the punch in the stomach, does that make you responsible for getting hit? Not the greatest metaphor, I admit, but there's a certain amount of applicability there, and it makes more sense as we get closer and closer to election day.

-Charles

[Tommy_Z]

We're a republic, not a democracy. We have leaders that we generally don't agree with.

Democracy in action: if I give you the choice between two options, call it a "vote," and those options are either a slap in the face or a punch in the stomach, and you go with the punch in the stomach, does that make you responsible for getting hit? Not the greatest metaphor, I admit, but there's a certain amount of applicability there, and it makes more sense as we get closer and closer to election day.

-Charles

I understand that from time to time 'Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats', but Sarah Palin?

With all due respect sir, but the guys who are getting hit are the ones at the business ends of Predator drones and Hellfire missles, smart bombs, the entire bomb them back to the stone-age Shock and Awe routine, Napalm carpet bombing, and even A-bombs (if you care to go that far back, which I believe was a WMD attack on civilians).

It could be entirely possible that, at the time, many did not agree with the Emperor as well but just could not ‘say No’, if you know what I mean, seeing that he’s supposedly appointed by God or something like that. I suppose that if they had a choice between Hara-kiri and an A-bomb, and chose the latter, by your logic, they can’t be responsible for getting ‘hit’ either.

Not to discount the many sacrifices U.S. servicemen have made, but as far back as WWII the U.S. Military establishment has always boasted of an enemy body count several multiples of its own losses.

Soon withal the advances in UAVs, unmanned Metalstorm cannons, remote controlled/AI driven gun platforms, and that ‘Big Dog’ robot there probably won’t even be a ratio anymore – and this, along with your choosing/voting between lesser evils ‘Republic’ analogy begins to sound like science fiction – Star Wars specifically….

And we all know how that went.

[Jason Anstey]

This is a silly discussion and should have no place on a multicultural martial arts forum.

[MikeW]

Americans stole my car.

lol, so was mine. Twice!

[Wraith]

This thread should have come with a poll: Who do you hate the most?

Americans (or is that United Staters:confused:)

Americans (all the other Americans)

French (gets my vote) boooh! Damn Frenchies!!! Arggghh!

Other (insert nation of your choice for random bashing).

[hl1978]

If the american people is not responsible for their governments action, who is? I agree that you as a single person might not be responsible, but the people as a whole must surely have some responsibility since:
A) The american people are the ones who elected the government, and
B) The government is made up by american people.

At least that is my understanding on how democracy usually works. :P

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html

A little more than half of all americans vote in our presidential elections and only ~40% or so vote in non presidential elections. This means that a large portion of our populace has no input in the american government's actions. I'm not saying that this doesn't make american's responsible for their government's actions, but that our presidents are only voted in by a small proportion of our populace. Would things be different if more people voted? Thats something for a political scientist to theorize about. I would be curious to know why people don't vote as it seems like a third party could pull something off with that many non-voters.

Another quick note, we have one congressional representative for roughly 650,000 people so we don't have much direct access to our representives anyways.

[Missingno.]

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html

A little more than half of all americans vote in our presidential elections and only ~40% or so vote in non presidential elections. This means that a large portion of our populace has no input in the american government's actions. I'm not saying that this doesn't make american's responsible for their government's actions, but that our presidents are only voted in by a small proportion of our populace. Would things be different if more people voted? Thats something for a political scientist to theorize about. I would be curious to know why people don't vote as it seems like a third party could pull something off with that many non-voters.

Another quick note, we have one congressional representative for roughly 650,000 people so we don't have much direct access to our representives anyways.

The way I like to think of it is not passively neglecting to vote, but actively voting for no one.

[rainmaker]

Just a note.... I have been in KW for long enough to know people have different opnion. I have no hard feeling for pgsmith and other people. Matter of fact, he help me with other questions before so I know he is good man. Again, I hope inner silence and pgsmith are get along fine otherwise, you may get stuck in Chile mines for 5 months !!

[Big One]

Is group hug expecting?

[rainmaker]

Real man don't group hug..... We just forget.....


Is group hug expecting?

[Inner_Silence]

Argument, meh, not really, though I do enjoy rational discourse with people of different backgrounds. I'm not entirely sure if what we're doing here qualifies though.

dude! cmon! you are talking about stuff that completely contradicts the facts. then you started to talk about history of something you have no idea and in a completely inaccurate way simplifying in a couple of lines stuff that are a little more complex than the way you paint it, and you did it to argue with someone that LIVES THERE and also for personal reasons finds it a very important subject, "important" as a way of saying it.

do you understand in hoy many ways in how many dimensions in the universe the information that I handle every day is light years away from the microscopic pieces information that your media makes you believe every day? around here, this is lived every day every moment, every second. you walk down the streets, you talk to people, you watch tv, you look at the pamphlet sticked layer over layer of paper in every wall... this is part of our culture, our language, our jokes, our sayings, our readings, our discussions, every day, every second. dont you think that I would know better? when I first read your sayings I tought it was a joke, then I got pissed off when I realized that you where serious about this. I mean, no offense but, how can someone be so stupid!!???!!! when you handle this stuff is like there are so many things wrong with it that this stuff cant even come out to write it down. the only answer is "blah", I mean, all you can do is trying to offend this guy saying this stuff becouse he really deserves this!!! there is absolutely no way to support your sayings with the infinite amount of illogical stupidity. also there is no way for me to seriously argue your ignorancy, its impossible for any thinking being to discuss something when he is absolutely overwhelmed by idiocy. dude, your "argument" cant be refused, not becouse is good, its becouse its so incredibly stupid that you cant handle it further than argumentum ad hominem.



Also, your assertion that Americans are trying to make S. American countries just like the U.S. continues to be unproven. Switching gears and claiming I'm ignorant with no understanding of Chile because I'm not from there is not supportive of your assertion.
dude, are you getting payed for this? seriously. Im not saying that US is trying to make another countries like them. what Im saying is very simple. an example that proofs for itself that the US goverment have tried to impose their ways in other democratic countries, also that US agents have been sent to assasinate high state chiefs in this countries. this to prove with facts that US goverment behavior actually contradicts what they say they are doing wich is defending freedom and democracy. also adding facts for people to decide if its right or wrong, for instance US goverment supporting this in wich many people died only becouse it doesnt go with their political or economic ways. to explain that this is why some people hates america ... well, that and douchebags like you. its as simple as that, if you want to read in to this that there is something more, then it only proves your retardation.

.







Dude, I'm sorry, I am stupid,

I know.



It was intended to support my assertion that U.S. interference in Chile has not been with the intention of bringing the "freedoms" we have in the U.S. to Chile, or to share economic prosperity, but instead has only been to protect or push U.S. economic or political interests. And I think it did a good job, though much of what you wrote helped too.

and actually it worked, in your mind, becouse you are stupid.


That's ok, man. I think you have a lot more invested in this "conversation" than I do, and I hope that I'm not being overly irritating. I would not want to detract from the beauty of another person's day, and based on your response I feel that you're taking it really personally, but I'm hoping it's just maybe just a "miscommunication." But I realize that it's obviously something you feel passionately about, and I respect that.

OF COURSE!!!!! I wonder where did you come with that idea.

why dont we talk about your wife??? that way youll know how much it pisses you off to talk about something you really care about with some idiot that has no idea what he is talking about, and worst of all, thinking he is right.

[Inner_Silence]

admin admin! this user is calling me stupid, since I think Im not. please ban this user.

to avoid this kind of stupidity, Im going to PROVE that you actually are stupid, so noone can ban me becouse Im saying the truth. its stupid to get offended with the truth, for instance I have a big nose, it would be stupid from me to get offended for this, becouse its true. so if you get offended of what Im gonna say, that only proofs again that you are stupid.

ok here we go. imagine this hypotetic situation:
someone obviously knows about a certain subject way more than I do, he lives every day his sayings, in the other hand, the only info I have is the one I see on my already manipulated media.
and there is a fact, we both think differently about this same subject, hmmm I wonder why would this be...

what does intelligent do??
shut up and listen. maybe there is some piece of information that I dont know, so if Im not pleased with his first explanation, I start asking questions to find out why this guy thinks like this, maybe hes got a point that I dont yet have seen...

what does stupid do??
argue. I know that I dont have enough information to have an accurate opinion, but I stupidly think that what I know its enough to make my point against this guy.

what did you do?

[ender84567]

Actually the fact that Charles is actually making rational arguments, and yours are tending further and further into baiting and jingoistic drivel. I'd say your the one with egg on your face in the end.

[Inner_Silence]

sorry double post

[Charles Lockhar]

why dont we talk about your wife???

Wow, you are all class. And on that note, ttfn,

-Charles

[MikeW]

what does intelligent do??
shut up and listen. maybe there is some piece of information that I dont know, so if Im not pleased with his first explanation, I start asking questions to find out why this guy thinks like this, maybe hes got a point that I dont yet have seen...

what does stupid do??
argue. I know that I dont have enough information to have an accurate opinion, but I stupidly think that what I know its enough to make my point against this guy.

what did you do?

Umm you seem to be quite doing QUITE a bit of arguing (as well as name calling) here. Where does that put you in your list quoted above?

[Wraith]

I've heard some ranting in my time, but this just takes the piss! Seems to me like someone is heading for a psychiatric adventure real soon!

[Inner_Silence]

Actually the fact that Charles is actually making rational arguments, and yours are tending further and further into baiting and jingoistic drivel. I'd say your the one with egg on your face in the end.

if thats an argument Im the irish elf. I already explained why he is wrong, even thou it needs no explanation at all. I used counterexamples and proof, not to make a point, but to try to exolain why I (and lots of other people) think the way I think. what else do you want me to do? is not my fault that our obtuse friend wouldnt understand.

do you really think that his history class (i dont wanna quote it again, but you can read it again if you want) really supports his sayings?. do you really believe that this "argument" really shows that the facts Ive pointed are wrong, false or inaccurate?. in fact, do you really think that his whole argument really has something to do with what Im trying to say??

Ive just re-explained what Im trying to say, wich I already did over and over again. please I invite you to re-read the arguments and explain me how they refute my sayings. please explain me how does this make the facts Ive posted false. please explain me how whatever he has written proofs my sayings contradictive with the truth. all you can argue is that we have different points of view, ok you are right, but this doesnt make that the facts presented are false or the train of tought is ilogically wrong.

just as an example: Ive posted that there is proof that US goverment participated in some way to end a goverment by the use of force in wich people died. and this goverment was freely and democratically elected. that contradicts the speech that US protects freedom and democracy. and of course, the opressed would hate or dislike the opressor.

Ive centered my sayings in to this idea (of course Ive said other two but obviously they are not as important). now you tell me where in his speech there is something that refuse this idea based in a irrefutable fact. tell me where there is a saying from charles that clearly and undubtfully shows that the logic in wich this was thinked is wrong i.e. contradictory. please show me where is the argument that says that the fact in wich this is based is wrong or anything that proof that this fact never happened or that it didnt happened like this.

[Inner_Silence]

Umm you seem to be quite doing QUITE a bit of arguing (as well as name calling) here. Where does that put you in your list quoted above?

no, Im absolutely done with it, Ive ended the argue a long time ago, becouse it makes no sense. and yes, probably Ive been stupid too: its stupid to argue with someone who doesnt understand your sayings. in the moment I detected this I should have shut up instead of trying to make a point talking to a wall.

[verissimus]

Meanwhile, on the internets (http://www.flickr.com/photos/toddmecklem/3825194612/sizes/m/in/photostream/). Original article here (http://www.gadling.com/2010/10/13/how-not-to-act-like-a-tourist-in-a-foreign-country/).

[pgsmith]

its easy to call "whiner" someone just becouse he doesnt agree with you.

Absolutely! However, I actually called you whiner because you were whining!. :) And continue to do so I might add.


Because someone disagree with you doesn't make them a narrow minded jealous terrorist.
That is absolutely correct. However, if you'll go and carefully read the "foaming at the mouth" rants which he's been posting, you'll see that it is not his disagreeing with me that caused me to label him a potential terroristic threat. It is overzealous characters like that which leaders with brains can exploit by pushing the "us vs. them" quotient as high as they can. This is how both Muslim and Christian terrorist organizations do it. From the strident nature of the fellow's raving, I'd say he's well on his way myself. Makes me wonder who's actually pulling his strings though.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Moved to flames. I will note that calling people names seldom convinces them of your logic.

[Inner_Silence]

disagreeing with me that caused me to label him a potential terroristic threat.

HEY! what do you mean with "potential"???!!!!! wearing a TNT belt needs lots of motivation!!!

[Anonymous]

lolumad?

[Bokushingu]

that video caused a lot of fuss. I feel that the video and person that has the youtube account hosting that video is beneath the people on this forum. He caused a lot of division and anger here...it's unfortunate.

There's no evidence on what he says in the video about serving in the armed forces. Anyone could scream that out. His actions & he does not represent me or many others, that are American & have served in the US Military.

truely that video is sad, disturbing & does not deserve to be noticed on any reputable forum.

[FastKendo]

...

That is absolutely correct. However, if you'll go and carefully read the "foaming at the mouth" rants which he's been posting, you'll see that it is not his disagreeing with me that caused me to label him a potential terroristic threat. It is overzealous characters like that which leaders with brains can exploit by pushing the "us vs. them" quotient as high as they can. This is how both Muslim and Christian terrorist organizations do it. From the strident nature of the fellow's raving, I'd say he's well on his way myself. Makes me wonder who's actually pulling his strings though.


talk about "us vs. them", Bush (in his position as US President) did it too.

- "you either with us or with the terrorists" -

[ben]

You guys still arguing? I thought I told y'all on page one that this should go to flames. Not even worth cracking out the popcorn, this. b

[pgsmith]

You guys still arguing?
Nah, not really. One of the posters irritated me with his pesonal agenda that had nothing to do with the original post, so I've been enjoying making him angrier. I'm sure he'll figure it out soon, if he hasn't already, and give up his rants.

[rainmaker]

From what I know PGsmith is probably Christian and Inner Silence is Catholic... From my point of view, you both are potential for extreme terrorist... V^ ^V




This is how both Muslim and Christian terrorist organizations do it. From the strident nature of the fellow's raving, I'd say he's well on his way myself. Makes me wonder who's actually pulling his strings though.

[Anonymous]

From what I know PGsmith is probably Christian and Inner Silence is Catholic... From my point of view, you both are potential for extreme terrorist... V^ ^V


I was under the impression that Catholics were Christians...

[pgsmith]

I was under the impression that Catholics were Christians...
Sort of ... in a "do as I say, not as I do" kind of way. :)

[SOLDIER]

Im an American and I could careless why some foreigner hates me ifhe/she does. Do you speak for all Americans, most of us, or what cause you are making some bold statements? I m also a Professional/Career Soldier, so what exactly do you mean-Unless you have met and experience with different people? Do you realize that America is full of several different people? You also said we dont need. Who is "we". I have been in Korea for a long time. I have seen 10 cab drivers jump on 2 Soldier, it does not mean the cab drivers hated the Soldiers. When alcohol is present there is no understanding why things like this happen. Speak for yourself. I am an American and I could give two hoots if someone hates me. It makes me stronger to know. I laugh at it. Thats why we call them haters.

[b8amack]

If you could care less, why resurrect a year-dead thread?

[Neil Gendzwill]

If you could care less, why resurrect a year-dead thread?Because he could care less. If he couldn't care less, he wouldn't have bothered. Grammar: sometimes it matters.

[b8amack]

Touché

[b8amack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkBmhM0R2A0

[ScottUK]

Because he could care less. If he couldn't care less, he wouldn't have bothered. Grammar: sometimes it matters.Thx for the lesson in correct English, Mr G. Americans (drunk or not), take note. ;)

[SOLDIER]

I was'nt aware this was a english essay. So I did not separate care and less, oops a simple stroke of the keyboard or lack there of. Yes thanks for correcting me. Thats why I wrote that. Im amazed no one commented on what I said but instead, how I said it. Like I said Haters, Im laughing now....lol

[verissimus]

I was'nt aware this was a english essay. So I did not separate care and less, oops a simple stroke of the keyboard or lack there of. Yes thanks for correcting me. Thats why I wrote that. Im amazed no one commented on what I said but instead, how I said it. Like I said Haters, Im laughing now....lol

They were pointing out that you "could care less" implies you care whether a foreigner hates you (i.e. there are other things you care less about), whereas your intent was to imply that you don't.

[Neil Gendzwill]

Yes, in case I was not crystal-clear, the correct phrase is "I couldn't care less", not "I could care less". It's just a pet peeve of mine, makes my teeth hurt every time I see it.

[pgsmith]

Im amazed no one commented on what I said but instead, how I said it. Like I said Haters, Im laughing now....lol
Because what you said is your own opinion, and you stated in said opinion that you didn't care what anyone else thought. If this is the case, why do you care that no one commented about your opinion?

As for how you said it, when you are writing in an on-line forum, the only way that people have of assessing you is by what you write. If you write poorly and can't be bothered with things like grammar, punctionation or capitalization, then those reading your words get a poor opinion of you and will tend to dismiss your words as being similarly carelessly applied. However, if you are more careful about your writing, people will tend to assume that you are more careful about the thought behind the words. It has nothing to do with hating, and everything to do with who you are. Are you as careless in your thoughts and deeds as you are in your writing? If so, that's a bad thing for a soldier. If not, then why are you only careless in your writing?

[rainmaker]

I guess you don't care but some other soldiers should care. I hope more soldiers care so that their poor behavior can reflects whole America, especially when you are in other side of world. One stupid soldier's behavior may cause problem for other soldiers in area too...


Im an American and I could careless why some foreigner hates me ifhe/she does. Do you speak for all Americans, most of us, or what cause you are making some bold statements? I m also a Professional/Career Soldier, so what exactly do you mean-Unless you have met and experience with different people? Do you realize that America is full of several different people? You also said we dont need. Who is "we". I have been in Korea for a long time. I have seen 10 cab drivers jump on 2 Soldier, it does not mean the cab drivers hated the Soldiers. When alcohol is present there is no understanding why things like this happen. Speak for yourself. I am an American and I could give two hoots if someone hates me. It makes me stronger to know. I laugh at it. Thats why we call them haters.