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ryoma
11th January 2011, 05:29 AM
OK, in Iai there are a couple of federations/organizations around who cover Iai.
Maybe a silly question: Is there Kendo OUTSIDE the ZNKR? Well, there might be dojo around who are not affiliated with ZNKR but is there an other federation in Japan covering Kendo or is this really an absolute monopoly of ZNKR???
sirius1906
11th January 2011, 05:38 AM
Well, there's the Korean Kumdo Federation that I know of.
Kenzan
11th January 2011, 07:20 AM
Is there Kendo OUTSIDE the ZNKR?

Yes.
It is called Shenanigans.
b8amack
11th January 2011, 01:45 PM
Well, there might be dojo around who are not affiliated with ZNKR but is there an other federation in Japan covering Kendo or is this really an absolute monopoly of ZNKR???


Well, there's the Korean Kumdo Federation that I know of.

The KKF operates in Japan?
D'Artagnan
11th January 2011, 02:40 PM
The KKF operates in Japan?

Nope, but it is affiliated to the FIK.

I have heard very few mumblings of "Kendo" in Japan outside of the ZNKR, but I have never seen it. So far ALL of the Kendo I have experienced in Japan has been in some way affiliated to the ZNKR.

To make it clear (as far as I understand) the ZNKR (the Zen Nihon Kendo Renmei - aka All Japan Kendo Federation) is only responsible for activities within Japan. The FIK (can't remember the acronym, think it is French or something but basically the International Kendo Federation) is the association for which 'legitimate' federations/associations belong to...

Having said that, it goes without saying that the ZNKR presumably holds a certain amount of power over the decisions made by the FIK.
sirius1906
11th January 2011, 11:53 PM
Maybe a silly question: Is there Kendo OUTSIDE the ZNKR?


The KKF operates in Japan?

Oops, I was only replying the first part of the question. Didn't see the "in Japan" part. Sorry.

Personally, I don't care much the politics...don't have to, yet.
hl1978
12th January 2011, 12:02 AM
I wouldnt be surprised if there were some dojo outthere somewhere which held out in japan which does "classical" kendo off on its own.

On a related question, are the police tournaments ZNKR authorized/affilliated?
Mako
13th January 2011, 10:01 AM
Check out this "The other Kendo renmei?" thread and the post from Aden which gives some info from Alex Bennet.

http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php/12888-The-other-Kendo-renmei?highlight=kendo+japan
Furansu
13th January 2011, 06:19 PM
You have also the Tokushima Budo Council.

some "kendomatch"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpDkRDMB0zk
Martch
13th January 2011, 09:58 PM
There's the British Kendo Renmei who broke away from the BKA in the early 70s - I think you have to talk to some of the old timers to find out why. They're very big on stressing they do not do competition kendo.

http://www.kendo-uk.org/
tango
14th January 2011, 01:41 AM
Yes.
It is called Shenanigans.

not necessarily and always.

there could potentially be totally 'legit kendo' being taught somewhere in japan but, for whatever reason (perhaps political, for example), they are no longer associated with ZNKR.

just sayin'...
Kenzan
14th January 2011, 04:43 AM
not necessarily and always.

there could potentially be totally 'legit kendo' being taught somewhere in japan but, for whatever reason (perhaps political, for example), they are no longer associated with ZNKR.

just sayin'...

As anal as the Japanese are for always doing things in the "proper" and "procedural" way, especially when it comes to things that govern standards or legitimacy, I'd say it would be a red herring.
Not disagreeing with you though, but in my book, (which, admittedly, I make up as I go along) it's still shenanigans.
Kenzan
14th January 2011, 04:48 AM
You have also the Tokushima Budo Council.

some "kendomatch"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpDkRDMB0zk

This fine example of the Tokushima Budo Council's Kendo is so beautiful on a technical level that it makes my bunions explode with putrescences of awe and admiration.
ender84567
14th January 2011, 04:57 AM
ow my spleen
Kenzan
14th January 2011, 07:17 AM
The founding members I assume.
http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/2010/11/17/self-defense/
Maku-san
14th January 2011, 10:23 AM
This fine example of the Tokushima Budo Council's Kendo is so beautiful on a technical level that it makes my bunions explode with putrescences of awe and admiration.

Um... eww. :gasmask:
ender84567
14th January 2011, 08:28 PM
Hey, how did you get a picture of my family?
tango
14th January 2011, 11:59 PM
As anal as the Japanese are for always doing things in the "proper" and "procedural" way, especially when it comes to things that govern standards or legitimacy, I'd say it would be a red herring.
Not disagreeing with you though, but in my book, (which, admittedly, I make up as I go along) it's still shenanigans.

generally speaking, i agree with you.. non-association warrants a hard look.
rfoxmich
28th January 2011, 07:18 PM
http://www.tbcihonbu.co.uk/welcome/brief-history.html

Probably says all that needs to be said about the Tokushima Budo Council...they do seem to throw around a bunch of very high ranks.
"The organisations, Tokushima Budo Council International and The Budo Council Of Europe, only came into being because of the vision of one man, namely the late Kancho Alfred Bates Judan Hanshi." a short quote starts me on my path to worry.
Now maybe I've got the wrong group because they don't list kendo amongst their 'disciplines' on that website.

In fairness the ranks listed for the head instructors of the various disciplines seem a bit more realistic.