Clothing...

[Ryan Shores]

Hello, I was just wondering about a certain type of clothing samurai wore and most kenjutsu people wear today.

These pictures will help what I'm trying to look for.

http://www.shinbukan.co.uk/sensai.jpg
http://www.shinbukan.co.uk/vickneel.jpg

The top part of the uniform is what I'm looking for. A very long and slacky top and the clothing under it I'm assuming is a gi. Anyways, does anyone know what that uniform is and where I can buy it?

Thank you for reading, any help will be greatly appreciated.

[xvikingx]

I believe what you are looking for, a montsuki, has to be either made or you can try and find one (that fits) at a used kimono shop. I would suggest the latter.

May I ask why you are looking for one?

[SEEK]

Look at the www.ichiroya.com (http://www.ichiroya.com) , they have a lot of vintage menkimono and (sometimes)used real samurai-uniforms from before WWII, but they usually put those items at their e-baysite. Good luck.

[mingshi]

...just...when did my sensei turn out to be a samurai???? :eek:

[Ryan Shores]

Thank you very much, SEEK. I think I've found what I've been looking for.

"May I ask why you are looking for one?"
Oh, I'm entering kenjutsu soon and want the proper uniform. :cool:


Thanks again.

[xvikingx]

Well you most likely won't need a montsuki right off the bat.

[Musha]

Hi Ryan Shores,

I have been trying to get one of these for about 2 years now. Never get around to it though :D. It is not called Montsuki it is a Haori and women also have a type of Haori, you wear it over your Kimono when you go out side like a coat but not as worm. People nowadays wear them for thing like weddings I went to a Koto performance and a man that played the Shakuhachi showed me his Hakama and Haori. Makes my laugh thinking we wear things like that in Kendo. It like wearing a three piece sute lol.. I tried to get on in Japan but they were much to expensive for me about £200. Check out E-bay...

http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.co.uk%2Fws%2F&query=Haori&ebaytag1code=3&shortcut=3&currdisp=1&maxRecordsReturned=300&maxRecordsPerPage=50&SortProperty=MetaEndSort

This one is quite nice

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3273538379&category=29452

I bought a woments kimono from Ryujiro for my mother..

[Musha]

Lol I can just hear the veins in peoples heads frobing so I'll say I am not sure it is a Haori but haori and montsuki seem very alike. Maybe on is a little longer though.

[xvikingx]

Not only did you repeat what I already said, but you are (as usual) completely wrong. Almost everything you post includes the phrase "I'm not sure but...". Why don't you just wait until you are sure before posting?

[Musha]

As usual you are beeing rude Viking :)...

[Musha]

And what does your post mean?

Not only did you repeat what I already said, but you are (as usual) completely wrong.

One, I did not repeat what you said what did you say? Don't bother to get a montsuki or what ever it is? Why would he want to post here if he did not want to get one? Who are you to tell people what and what not to get? Are you a guru or some thing?

Two, you said I am wrong but I was copying you that I was of course not, and you were also wrong if I was wrong.. lol

I think maybe there is come language gap here.

[litige]

If a least what you said could make sense, you would look less stupid.

[xvikingx]

One, I did not repeat what you said what did you say? Don't bother to get a montsuki or what ever it is? Why would he want to post here if he did not want to get one? Who are you to tell people what and what not to get? Are you a guru or some thing?
Ah, there you go making up dialogue again. I asked Mr. Shore politely why he was searching for a montsuki. He said he was starting kenjutsu soon. Seeing as how a montsuki would not be worn for everyday practice (I would hope not), and only for special ocasions (demos and what have you), I told him he probably would not need one right away. This is a friendly suggestion to save Ryan a few bucks. He can go buy what ever the hell he wants; I have no intention on stopping him, nor do I care.
Oh and yes, I am a guru. What tipped you off?

I think maybe there is come language gap here.
Yes, there most certainly is a language gap here... right between your ears chump. Are you a native English speaker, musha?

[Musha]

Of course I am I mean you..

[xvikingx]

Of course I am I mean you..
Oh, so you really are just a dumbass. I figured maybe you were studying abroad in England or something. (Just checked out your profile) Aaah, I see, you are just 17. Well that explains a few things.
Oh and "kendo shinshinsha" should be "kendo shoshinsha". May I suggest a refresher course in English before trying to tackle Japanese? Nevermind, you just keep skipping that next step, so you can get to "the end" faster and tell everyone what the journey is like.

[litige]

Aaah, I see, you are just 17. Well that explains a few things.


Woaw now, i'm 17, but not as dense as musha and i don't prate much like him. I did before, but by looking at other, well i see its bad and stupid.

[xvikingx]

Sorry litige, I meant no offense to you or others who are young but able to act decently.

[litige]

No harm done ;-)

[Musha]

Viking can I ask what your real grade is in Kendo? I know I am only 18 not 17.. But I am sure I have more of a good attitude to learning Kendo than you do. If I think people are not correct that is because they can not prove things enough to persuade me that what I understand and can give proof of is not correct. I remember a wile ago I was talking about Hyoho niten ichi ryu and nito ryu. Some one gave me a web site address saying that the head teacher of the niten ichi ryu school was different to who I thought and now I understand that there are many schools that use more than one katana and the original Hyoho niten ichi ryu is headed by soke masayuki. This is proven in two books.

You seem just to be a stubborn person that is set in his ways. I think that you have the idea that you already understand kendo and do not need to listen to any one else. You also seem to love picking up on peoples mistakes like Yowai and AliG with the use of Childish words like dumbass (not really very original) I'v heard more interesting things than that from Children at primary school even Yowai and AliG :D..

I have met many people like you that believe when you are on the Internet
you think you are another person. Like a gangster or some thing.

I'll try not to post here is future because it is a waste of my time and I am sure I have much better things to do than arguing with Childish people like you and advise no one else listens to you too.

[xvikingx]

You seem just to be a stubborn person that is set in his ways. I think that you have the idea that you already understand kendo and do not need to listen to any one else.
Well if that isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black...

[Khabbi]

Should we ( the rest of K-W ) start screamin

" JERRY , JERRY , JERRY , JERRY " ? :smiley:

Ill be of getting popcorn , give me a heads up befor the chairs start flyin :smiley:

[jfluh9]

:wink: I think there is only one post in this thread that has anything to do with Kendo or Iaido or Kenjutsu. Give your $.02 and log off. Thanks :wink:

[hyouriittai]

Sorry if I am repeating what someone may have said -- but from what I understand, montsuki describes a piece of clothing, kimono or otherwise, that bears one's family crest (or a family crest in general.)

I agree with viking, in that I don't think that haori or any other over clothing is worn in kenjutsu. I don't see it very often, anyway. Iai demonstrators, however, may be a different case.

If you want to find appropriate training clothes for kenjutsu, I think that www.bugei.com has some decent uniforms. They have modified kimono, that they say "do not have the drawbacks of a kimon" when using it for kenjutsu. I think they mean that they aren't quite as long, as the length might constrict the legs. Anyway, they also have hakama (the trousers,) so maybe you ought to check that out.

Good luck with your equipment hunting and your eventual training.