rich-boy show-offs

[Hai_hai]

I guess this could go in the Flames section. Don't you hate to see beginners buy all the expensive stuff once they join.
It's like they got money stashed in their butt waiting to get spent on some kind of hobby.
Usually, their car is the nicest in the parking lot, they wear pretty expensive casual clothes to practice (this is before they get to wear the uniform). Then, they buy the most expensive gi and hakama... two of each... because to them, they aren't expensive.
And then... they get like a couple of expensive shinai that cost as much as you make in a week if not more.
And then, if they actually stick with it, they get a set of bogu. They want the best and they can't wait to show up in... bogu that costs more than your car. Well... my car!?!?! Watashi no kuruma wa "high-mileage" desu.

[Snobody]

I don't see what the problem is if they're wealthy, they're into kendo, they buy expensive bogu because they want it to last a long time, and they don't brag. Is it their fault that they're rich? As long as they're not too busy flashing off their shiny gear, is there a real reason to hate them? It's their money, they can use it however they want. A rich person in expensive bogu that realizes that the equipment isn't going to do kendo for them is fine by me.

[Mitsurugi_xx]

LOL hai hai.. i know the the ppl you are talking about.. hahaha but it's alright man. buying expensive things doesn't mean it makes them stronger kendoists... hehe nice car, nice clothes don't mean anything when you are in the dojo. Just stick with your kendo man =)

Just don't let them rich boys school you.. infront of your gf... that would blow....

[mystic_kendoka]

if you dont like it, break it :smoker:

[Magnus Stern]

if you dont like it, break it :smoker:
that's the spirit! :)

You guys know how to spot a not-real sailor?
He wears white clothing from Henri Lloyd.
(ever been on a sailboat; you know that white clothing stay white for about, let's say, 20 mins)

[Khabbi]

I dont like this thread

I buy everything new , nothing used , I buy alot of stuff coz I like kendo

I Also hold down a job i hate 5 days a week , so when I get paid I like spending it on shit I like .

Alot of the "rich kids " might not be so rich , they might work for it , hard at a crap job

[jodonnell]

I'd rather someone spend lots of money on good equipment rather then someone trying to buy bogu on a budget that malfunctions on them. As long as they aren't being tacky about it (cashmere keikogis, 24k blinged-out iaitos) then I don't see what the problem is.

If they have a shinai that costs as much as you make in a week, you need to demand a raise :)

[roar]

Rich or poor, what you spend or not spend is your own business. Its nice that people afford good equipment, whats bad is that they dont have the knowledge to appreciate it. Some rich people think that anything can be bought, luckily, proficiency in kendo is not. Think of all the nice second hand gear you can buy when they quit after 6 months, when they realize just that. :D

[litige]

(cashmere keikogis, 24k blinged-out iaitos)

What do you have agains't cashmere keikogis?

I beefed up my bogu, put some neon lights around the grill, crazy paint jobs on the do, even my tare is skirted

[Hai_hai]

I don't think you get it. These people are "filthy rich". All they do is look in a catalog, flip through the pages, see what costs the mosts and buy it. The "I want a quality bogu" excuse is an excuse to cover their "materialism". Same thing on the ski slopes, people who suck but have expert-level skis, boots, bindings, poles. Looking good is more important than skiing good.

Not too many rich folks in kendo... not good for their pedicured feet, except for people like Khabbi who spend their mad money on $50 hair-cuts, $4 latte's, and whatever "fancy-boy" kendo stuff.

[Serenity]

I´m very happy that we don´t have such rich people in our club. Because of their wealth you someone less rich easy fells uncomfortable. But we shouldn´t envy them -> we should be happy for them. Although this is very hard to do -> it´s imposible.

Serenity :redface:

[jodonnell]

What do you have agains't cashmere keikogis?

I beefed up my bogu, put some neon lights around the grill, crazy paint jobs on the do, even my tare is skirted
Oh yeah? I stuck a spoiler on my shinai and painted a big "Type-R" on my do (it's also the menuki in my iaito.) I run three times faster than anyone else in my dojo now XD

I still don't see a problem with that. Are you saying beginners should only buy bargain bin bogu (woohoo, check that alliteration)? I can understand your beef with people who think great equipment will cover for poor kendo, but I don't see anything inherently wrong with buying good equipment. You and I would both buy the best equipment we could if we could afford it, so let's not begrudge other students their wealth.

Oh and this is a bit off-topic, but could you tone down your sig Serenity? Huge text + hot pink = hurts my eyes after hours of color theory homework :P

[aru-ma]

So what if they want to spend their money on expensive bogu/shinai, if they quit kendo it's their money, if you're lucky you can get it off these people for a cheaper price.

[munenmuso]

I don't think you get it. These people are "filthy rich". All they do is look in a catalog, flip through the pages, see what costs the mosts and buy it. The "I want a quality bogu" excuse is an excuse to cover their "materialism". Same thing on the ski slopes, people who suck but have expert-level skis, boots, bindings, poles. Looking good is more important than skiing good.

Not too many rich folks in kendo... not good for their pedicured feet, except for people like Khabbi who spend their mad money on $50 hair-cuts, $4 latte's, and whatever "fancy-boy" kendo stuff.

That's why they're rich, they have a purpose in life to spend those privileges because they can afford it. You won't see it if they are poor, it would be hypocrisy on their part to remain humble or act poor when they have a fat wallet. I don't even see a problem with that, social justice is not social equality. Whining at people who can spend more than enough from what they or their families could earn is the real problem here.It will only gives you headaches.

PS.
If you don't like them and you can't do about it, just hit them harder in the men. :devious:

[cst]

Stop being jealous...and dont damage others property. To each his own...Whether they are good or bad...respect them for at least trying and sticking with it...If they dont, buy their armor, then tell them off. Until then.... this is a stupid thread/.

Too many people care about appearance...It seems the serious kendoka are more serious about how the beginners look than teaching them the wisdom of humbleness.

[Blueman]

Dont be baited by our resident village idiot. He is a non practicing non bogu kinda guy.

Say - By By Hai hai

[Sithlord]

Hi guys,
i'm new and just joined the forums. Sorry Hai hai i disagree with what u have to say. I also try to buy the best and new stuff when it comes to kendo, although i have been doing kendo for just over 1 yr.
No i'm not rich but i work very hard for my money like many others. I also believe in quality products, not something that just does the job. I recently purchased a 10,000 sekon dyed hakama and i'm going to purchase a handmade Keikogi. Also a handmade bogu in the future.
As someone said each for his own, if u have the money and can afford it u are free to do wat u like. It isn't anyones fault if someone is born into a rich family or are well off. Just gotta not let anyone phase u, kendo isn't about material things but the spirit etc. Just because the rich kid has expensive stuff don't mean his superior.

[TheNige]

If you have time to worry about what others are wearing, then you are not spending enough time worrying about your own Kendo.

[Hai_hai]

If you have time to worry about what others are wearing, then you are not spending enough time worrying about your own Kendo.
... you came up with this while you were waxing your BMW?

[John W]

I don't think you get it. These people are "filthy rich". All they do is look in a catalog, flip through the pages, see what costs the mosts and buy it. The "I want a quality bogu" excuse is an excuse to cover their "materialism". Same thing on the ski slopes, people who suck but have expert-level skis, boots, bindings, poles. Looking good is more important than skiing good.

Not too many rich folks in kendo... not good for their pedicured feet, except for people like Khabbi who spend their mad money on $50 hair-cuts, $4 latte's, and whatever "fancy-boy" kendo stuff.

What is really sad Hai_hai is that you let this get to you. Who cares?

Rich, poor or in the middle-we all put on our men and draw our shinai.

I would rather be a humble man without a cent in cheap bogu but who has shit hot kendo than be a rich crap kendo player. :wink:

[Niels]

Flash is trash
ignore it

[Hai_hai]

Flash is trash
ignore it

But wait, I love flash.
I...

I think there's a connection...

between flashy bogu...

and samurai.

One cannot feel samurai-ish with an under $300 bogu that looks like it belongs on a peasant Japanese farmer. So, with my crappy bogu that looks cheap, I feel like a peasant Japanese farmer. In the modern world we live in, one is bombarded by high-priced bogu with fancy decorations and expensive materials in various stores and catalogs. In the ever humble world of kendo, there's the contradictory marketing of kendo suppliers touting expensive bogu that makes one drool. Or at least me. Real deer-skin this... custom-made that... They know it is meant for advanced kendoka, but it makes beginners lust with envy and rich people smug knowing they can buy whatever they please with ease.

I guess I need to sell more donuts.

[Hai_hai]

But wait again, the Japanese love the under-dog. The one who doesn't have the best but is able to overcome against the odds against someone with better resouces available to them.

I guess I will save up for more expensive bogu when I can afford it and enjoy the little things in life that are affordable, like Pocky.

[Niels]

Wait let me rephrase

Hai_hai is trash
ignore him

[samurai999]

I guess this could go in the Flames section. Don't you hate to see beginners buy all the expensive stuff once they join.
It's like they got money stashed in their butt waiting to get spent on some kind of hobby.
Usually, their car is the nicest in the parking lot, they wear pretty expensive casual clothes to practice (this is before they get to wear the uniform). Then, they buy the most expensive gi and hakama... two of each... because to them, they aren't expensive.
And then... they get like a couple of expensive shinai that cost as much as you make in a week if not more.
And then, if they actually stick with it, they get a set of bogu. They want the best and they can't wait to show up in... bogu that costs more than your car. Well... my car!?!?! Watashi no kuruma wa "high-mileage" desu.


A little bit of a tangent to kendo, but with the same feel. There are REALLY rich kids at Stanford that drive to school in Porshces, BMWs, and MBs.. Some of them are "getting paid their way through" school. This is ludicrous IMHO. I'm not totally "hatin' " but it is somewhat annoying to see kids like that flaunt their expensive wares that would take me at least 5 years to earn. WIth my first pay check, I bought 750$ bogu from Eguchi 5 years ago that has lasted to now. I only bought a new men and a new pair of kote in that time since my men fell apart (from constant abuse and not taking proper care of it :redface: ) and my kote were starting to cramp my hands. Maybe with my next job, I'll be able to afford a 2mm set.

Tim

[litige]

The funny thing is, those "filthy rich" kids that do not work for their own money, are cared for the most part of their lives without doing nothing, and buy the best stuff you can have...they are the ones that quit kendo real fast, because they don't feel more samurai, they are not better, they are not cared more by the sensei because they have money. those who stay and learn something from kendo other than that you can win by 2 points, well it's nice for them, they are growing. the quitters, they will return and stay to have an handicap. Not knowing how to work or do something really important without the help of money or their parents. Those ones or the one we should pity. So hai-hai, would you beat (in this case, insulting over the internet) someone you pity? or would help them? or turn your back to them by antipathy?

[Hai_hai]

Wait let me rephrase

Hai_hai is trash
ignore him

I know.
I was able to buy expensive kendo stuff with my fun money. I got an expensive uniform as soon as I was allowed to wear a kendo uniform. I, of course, said it was because I wanted something to last a long time, but I really wanted it because it looked good.
Oh, and as for the bogu, I laughed at bogu under $400. Totally laughed. The embroidery options just weren't satisfactory to my exquisite taste.

[Sithlord]

hai hai...how old are u etc..do u live by urself, wat u do for a living etc? If u don't mind me asking.

[taiwnezboi]

you're supposed to look your best in Kendo.. it's fine if they're buying expensive stuff as long as it's not the flashy non-traditional crap

[itachi]

Instead of complaining about rich kids you should be trying to make yourself rich, or get better at kendo. Just because someone got a more expensive bogu than you doesn't proove anything. Maybe they do train like mad...

[jodonnell]

Look Hai Hai. The only one here concerned with material values in kendo seems to be you, as you sound pretty jealous of richer kendoka. While people who think that superior equipment will make them better irk me as well, if you can afford the best, there is no reason not to buy it. I would, and you would too, given the money. You aren't on some kind of moral high ground by using cheaper equipment - in fact, didn't the samurai disdain the miserly when it came to maintaining their equipment? As long as you aren't being flashy with your kendo related purchases, you aren't doing harm to anyone or anything.

Also I would recommend you sell your expensive uniform because clearly, nice stuff is only for spoiled brats. I think your sensei would appreciate it more if you came to class in a threadbare, third-hand uniform, because that would show your humility and disdain for worldliness :rolleyes:

[adfrost]

I hope I'm not included in this list. I just started kendo a little over a month ago. I decided to purchase a little bit nicer keikogi/hakama (it's a 7000) than some of the people who have been doing it for over a year. Why? Well, because if I can spend a bit extra to get something quality...why not? It has nothing to do with ego, or rubbing anything in.

My birthday is coming up and I'm hoping I can convince my parents to chip in for a 3mm set of bogu that runs about $600. Is it more than I need? Probably. But I'm going to take the opportunity to see if I can get something that looks nicer, fits better, and will last longer. That, and it's an incentive to keep doing kendo (not that I really need it.)

I'm not rich, and I'm the least egotistical person on the planet. But like I said...if I can get something nice...why not.

[TheNige]

... you came up with this while you were waxing your BMW?

I wish....I work a fulltime job...work my own business for another two hours each day after work. I pay 2 mortgages for my house along with everything else. If I make enough to buy good equipment, then I think I deserve it.

[Hai_hai]

I wish....I work a fulltime job...work my own business for another two hours each day after work. I pay 2 mortgages for my house along with everything else. If I make enough to buy good equipment, then I think I deserve it.

Yo, there are those who work hard for their money, there are those who have it given to them, and those who steal it.

[Hai_hai]

Look Hai Hai. The only one here concerned with material values in kendo seems to be you...
Are you absolutely positive?

[Blueman]

Originally Posted by jodonnell
Look Hai Hai. The only one here concerned with material values in kendo seems to be you...


Absolutly correct and right on the money!!!

Hai hai's responses and so called concerns give truth to his true level in kendo, beginner.

(not to mention that he is very frustrated selling donuts for a living, as he puts it)

[itachi]

what i don't get is why should this bothering anyone? is there a rule that says beginners can't have nice expensive bogus? So what if they are rich? if there was free money I would take it. They don't work hard for their jobs?? Well you sell donuts, and maybe they solve math equations. I wonder whos job is harder. It all just depends on what you think working hard is. Now if the person is absolutely rich without having to work, then it just meant that his/her family was hard working. Ill work hard aswell so that I can buy my children bogu if i ever get any children. hai_hai im sorry that you are not rich. But realize that we all can't be rich in this world and life isn't fair.

[KhawMengLee]

what i don't get is why should this bothering anyone? is there a rule that says beginners can't have nice expensive bogus? So what if they are rich? if there was free money I would take it. They don't work hard for their jobs?? Well you sell donuts, and maybe they solve math equations. I wonder whos job is harder. It all just depends on what you think working hard is. Now if the person is absolutely rich without having to work, then it just meant that his/her family was hard working. Ill work hard aswell so that I can buy my children bogu if i ever get any children. hai_hai im sorry that you are not rich. But realize that we all can't be rich in this world and life isn't fair.

Hear! hear! I think only total losers blame and spite other's good fortune. So they are rich? So what? Either they worked hard for it or they were born into it. Whichever the case they should not feel bad for it.

Stop whinging Hai Hai(aka. Chow Hai) ya loser.

[streetcleaner]

i think hai hai is right. people should first DESERVE the right to have bogu. rich or not, in dojo we all eqaul. those in a flashy bogu force me to hit him harder - kendoka with experience would not wear flashy bogu.
but if you deserve a good bogu, why not have one? good traditional one, not fancy

[munenmuso]

BTW, what is the real score for starting a thread like this? Are we achieving a good positive goal here? Will it gives us the advantage if we found out that those rick kids are buying expensive bogus on the planet with their own money? Will it correct our kamae and improve our zanshin if we found out that the next kid is driving a Porsche on his way to the dojo? For what I know kendo is an introspective art that teaches values for respecting others that includes respect for other's right to indulge themselves on things that they can afford to buy. And if that lesson fails in a kendoka, therefore you are throwing away years of kendo experience. Pride and ego are two of kendo's mental stains. Let's start to move on.

[jonjayjaca]

hi pals,

to purchase a thing, no mather it is expensive or not...the goal is to purchase and to use. if u can afford, so why not...if u cannot, so why not.

we are studying kendo my friends. come what may how it come to us...

each person is different. through kendo, we are connected.

what is the purpose of this connection? to be friends...

let's adjust...and kendo will work for us.

it is all about attitude. if you have just started kendo...if you were much advanced, if you were just merely curious...well, good luck...kendo does not concern about the outcome, it is how you do today

jay

[Hai_hai]

Oh please...

[Mitsurugi_xx]

dude.. Don't take it so seriously man. I know the ppl you are talking about.. the ones who never work hard, but are just born into rich families.. There are too many ppl like that in the world... just stick to your kendo =)

how can you practice kendo when you are pissed off at your oponent cause he's got blinged out gear?

[cst]

HAI..either go study and get a better degree, get a better job or work harder. Practice the martial arts without a chip on your shoulder. People are only making large assumptions on the backgrounds of these "rich kids." Do you know if they work hard, or if their money is from their parents?...Do you know if they study hard and achieve high goals in life...In the end...WHO REALLY GIVES A CRAP what their background is.....What it comes down to is when is it time to practice kendo again?

If you are there to admire the bogu, thats great..but if you are here to look down on others, then you are simply being jealous. I am sick and tired of people I work out with who have issues like these. Just practice and have mutual respect. If I have a new student who has great bogu and sucks, do I kick him out unless he wears a cheaper set? Answer it youself....

Just drop this thread for Petes sake.

[Hai_hai]

Apparently, this thread drew way too much attention.

[shinzou]

Hmmm........

Hai Hai stop being too materialistic.

Jealousy is something that happens to most of us, but it is your decision if you let it get to you. There were pour samurai's. Example the great Musashi didn't worry about his appearance, but was respected for his skills. You should be happy with a standard bougu, why do you need the best? You have to try being the best at Kendo! Your goal shouldn't be to wear a better bougu, your goal is to be master Kendo! Master your art not your looks! Let the rich and poor see you through your skills and realize that perfection in Kendo is not dependent of the best bougu and its bougu accessories.

That is my advice too you all. Show the people that you are very good despite of your standard outfit, bogu, etc....

Regards,

Shinzou

[itachi]

i think hai hai is right. people should first DESERVE the right to have bogu. rich or not, in dojo we all eqaul. those in a flashy bogu force me to hit him harder - kendoka with experience would not wear flashy bogu.
but if you deserve a good bogu, why not have one? good traditional one, not fancy
Whats a fancy bogu?
Maybe fancy bogus last longer so you wont have to waste a couple hundred bucks to buy another crappy one.

[Hai_hai]

Whats a fancy bogu?
Maybe fancy bogus last longer so you wont have to waste a couple hundred bucks to buy another crappy one.

Please, don't pretend you don't know what fancy bogu is...

Anything that costs over $2000. Sharkskin do, hand-stitched parts, deerskin leather everywhere... the one symbol of high-quality bogu is if the master craftsman accidentally left a page of "Urecco" magazine sewn in the kote.

[Bleda]

I have deer skin everywhere and my bogu only cost 300 bucks lol

[Hai_hai]

I have deer skin everywhere and my bogu only cost 300 bucks lol
That's called a deerskin corset. You bought the wrong thing.

[Bleda]

That's called a deerskin corset. You bought the wrong thing.
Darn no wonder my bogu looked different from everyone elses at my dojo =(

[streetcleaner]

sharkskin do? give me one please!

[JSchmidt]

$2000 wont get you that far in terms of a fancy bogu.

Jakob

[Hai_hai]

$2000 wont get you that far in terms of a fancy bogu.

Jakob

Depends on how fancy you want to get. That's $2000 US, not Canadian or Australian dollars (a.k.a. inferior currency).

[JSchmidt]

US$2000 will get you a decent Japanese handmade bogu..but it wont be fancy :)

Jakob

[streetcleaner]

... or a full flashy bogu with golden embroidery and one of that crazy do (http://www.sehyun-kumdo.com/e-do.htm).

but i think people just provocating hai-hai here, while they too think that $2000 bogu, traditional or all-flashy, isn't for a beginners

[Bleda]

I personally think a 2K bogu is too flashy for a beginner no matter how rich he is. 3mm for beginners is fine, i will even see 2mm machine stitched if you really have money to spare but anything over 900-1K for beginners really is just a bit much.

[louisvandalen]

I started Kendo 3 months ago, bought all the nice stuff i could get and practice hard. I was actually thinking of buying a cheap kendo set but my sensei rather looked at my budget instead of my "current quality demand". Since im a starter there is little need to get a nice bogu but on the other hand why should you spent 400euro's on a crap set that you will have to replace as soon as "sparring partners" really start to hit you hard. I believe lesser quality is a big disadvantage especially in the long run. And man, believe me: you sure feel the difference when being hit on the kote.

Never the less: My first day in my top quality bogu set sucked, my head turned red and after few fights i was so tired that my shinai was waving in big circles from left to right. Even a 14 year old kid was kicking my ass (im 30, i could of removed his head with one finger). So the feeling of wearing a flash bogu isn't all that, it just looks good and gives you a small advantage, i say go for it if you can spare the cash.

Regards,

Louis

P.S. A nice bogu is good for display also, i have mine standing in the living room. I sometimes even wear it when my girlfriend feels kinky. You don't want that in a second hand one that smells like Yak pooh.

[not-I]

A nice bogu is good for display also, i have mine standing in the living room. I sometimes even wear it when my girlfriend feels kinky...
LMAO! :laugh:

Finally, some humor in this tiresome thread...

[Hai_hai]

...I sometimes even wear it when my girlfriend feels kinky...

I wear mine when I feel kinky.

[D'Artagnan]

Wearing mine MAKES me feel kinky!!!! hahahahaha

[rainmaker]

What can I say,,,, as you can see, you can always buy $10K, $8K and 5K bogu set... so called Royal Family Handmade.... I am sure it is good. To me, this kind of budget could be Royal Handmade pain the ass.... Hey, it's your money. You can make a diaper with money you got or wipe your ass.. Welcome to America ~~~ Land of freedom, expression~~

http://www.kendomecca.com/shop/

[ben]

You should always make sure your kendo is more beautiful than your armour.

b

[Sithlord]

Ok now that everyone is getting into a heated conversation about bogu....

I need opinions on choosing hadnstitched top of the line bogu's from 3 different vendors

1)Traditional HandStitch Shogun 1.0Bu By KENDOMECCA.COM @2450

2)Master Quality 1.0 Bu Handstitched Kendo Bogu By E-BOGU.COM @ $2800

3)1.0 Bu Handmade Custom Bougu By KENDOSHOP.COM @ $2009

Which one whould u go for and why. I'm having trouble deciding???
By the way hai hai thanks for ur valuable comments on the bogu thread

"Oh, something that will look good next to your plasma TV? If you got that kind of cash to blow, check out mitsuboshi hand-stitched bogu." by hai hai
Any serious comment will be helpful.

[Bleda]

1.2BU hadmade since its better than 1.0 BU handmade

[Masahiro]

You should always make sure your kendo is more beautiful than your armour.

b
I like that. "Don't think your swords and clothes should be as good as those of other people. Be content as long as they don't look awful. Once you start acquiring what you don't have and become even poorer, you'll become a laughingstock."~Hojo Soun House Code.

[Hai_hai]

Ok now that everyone is getting into a heated conversation about bogu....

I need opinions on choosing hadnstitched top of the line bogu's from 3 different vendors

Which one whould u go for and why. I'm having trouble deciding???...

What you will notice is that you cannot afford top-of-the-line hand-stitched bogu for around $2000. Go for e-bogu's low-end hand-stitched bogu (low-end meaning low-priced, not low-quality). I saw a hand-stitched e-bogu men at a seminar. Very nice.

[[Kensei 剣の聖者]]

For Christs sake. You dont wear Bogu till your Sensei tell you right? So at the point that you from then on its your decision what you want to do with the priveledge, you go buy even a 5000000 Dollar Bogu, big deal, you want it to last, you appreciate quality, you have the money (ok seriously "some people steal to get mone" yeahhhh Steal money to buy my bogu, very realistic) . Secondly even the samurai would wear the most colourfull armour they could, the most expesnive, the strongest, the most flashy and outragous helmets, this just showed how enthusiastic they were, dedicated, and a symbol of their ferociousness in battle. I think a nice flashy bogu shows you mean buissines and i suppose it shows a level of skill because it means you have the dedication and effort to invest in a long term peice of equipment of high quality. Stop hating on the people that look the best you communists!

[Hai_hai]

']...So at the point that you from then on its your decision what you want to do with the priveledge, you go buy even a 5000000 Dollar Bogu, big deal, you want it to last, you appreciate quality, you have the money...

Maybe, if you're British.

[[Kensei 剣の聖者]]

whats it got to do with british

[D'Artagnan]

Yeah, what the bloody hell has it got to do with being British. are you even in bogu hai hai???

[Hai_hai]

Rich boy show-offs. That's what.

[Sithlord]

I'm sure if Hai Hai got the opportunity to get the top of the range bogu he wouldn't complain one bit...and i'm sure he would ease of on the rich boy comments. He is just being narrow minded and has a really bad chip on his shoulder. Hai hai...ppl here are prepared to earn money and work hard for it. My parents aren't paying for any part of my kendo. Hai hai i don't think u know wat hard work is...all u can do is criticse other ppl's efforts.

Bleda thx

[cst]

HAI..again...I want to know how old you are and what rank you hold in Kendo..If you dont answer than I will assume you are a little kid with a big mouth and should be spending all this time on the computer studying or working instead.

[[Kensei 剣の聖者]]

"not if your british" "whats it got to do with being british"
.."rich boy show offs thats what"

do i sense a certain level of stupidity?

[Sithlord]

I believe Hai hai is about 14-15 yrs old. Probably wears a white Gi and has a mini shinai. He must be spending too much of his pocket money on lollies...

[D'Artagnan]

Listen Kid,

Here's a few facts for you think about, perhaps when you grow up.

- Being British does not automatically make you rich, believe me, i wish it did. Just like everyone else, money has to be earnt. you'll learn about the difficulties of earning money one day, perhaps when you start your first paper round.

- Little boys with big mouths get hurt...

- When you are old enough, i am sure that you will be able to participate in kendo, like the rest of us. but it's ok, i know it's a long wait, but maybe until then you could get a toy sword from a toy shop?

- on a serious note, i think that maybe you have a problem. If you are so insecure that you must constantly compare yourself to other members of the dojo, then you must really suck! How are these 'rich boys' affecting you? Well, it seems that you are just thick!! (oh sorry, for you yanks dumb)...

- Are you even in bogu yet, or what? i doubt it.

[Jamie]

Being British has nothing to do with being a rich boy show-off. I can't see the connection???????????

[cst]

what adult do you know has enough time to post over 700 posts?....Hai....youre ignoring my questions..You gave me a hard time when I first joined this forum...I tried my hardest not to offend anyone...Iwill act your age..tell me where you live so I can come kick your ass...!!!People like you who think they are more "traditional\serious" than the teachers almost made me give up Kendo years ago... Please dignify this with a response,,By the way where is the Moderator?

[Hai_hai]

what adult do you know has enough time to post over 700 posts?....Hai....youre ignoring my questions..You gave me a hard time when I first joined this forum...I tried my hardest not to offend anyone...Iwill act your age..tell me where you live so I can come kick your ass...!!!People like you who think they are more "traditional\serious" than the teachers almost made me give up Kendo years ago... Please dignify this with a response,,By the way where is the Moderator?

Sun Tzu once said, "Know thy enemy."
You threaten someone whom you know nothing about. It would be your rudest awakening to find yourself against someone who can out-think you and is stronger than you.

Nihon ni, moderaitoru ga imasu, ne?

[Hai_hai]

what adult do you know has enough time to post over 700 posts?....

Plenty. Ask around the forum.

[cst]

inorder for me to get a response from you is to threaten you?...Dont start throwing out quotes and Japanese like you are the most enlightened\educated person here. No will take advise from someone who can not have respect. You dont know anything about me either...As far as I am concerned about someone out thinking me or is stronger than me is far from any consideration when I first posted. All I know is that you have a lot to say for a very jealous, poor, and most probably lazy person with no character.

[Sithlord]

I think that Hai hai needs a lot of attention and is a really lonley boy. Even though he starts crap on the boards, without us he will be quiet upset. Deep down inside he knows that we are all he has. The minute we go away i'm sure he will be emotional. He is probably an outcast at his dojo and porbably looks forward to coming onto the forums at night and seeing all of us. I have seen many cases such as hai hai...it is a common occurent on forums.

[Hai_hai]

I think that Hai hai needs a lot of attention and is a really lonley boy. Even though he starts crap on the boards, without us he will be quiet upset. Deep down inside he knows that we are all he has. The minute we go away i'm sure he will be emotional. He is probably an outcast at his dojo and porbably looks forward to coming onto the forums at night and seeing all of us. I have seen many cases such as hai hai...it is a common occurent on forums.

You have the gayest username.

[Sithlord]

Eeeer username is personal thing...each for his own. So how long until you kendo club allows u to re-join again. With ur attitude don't think ur worthy of a martial art. Maybe u should mature and wait a few years b4 u make a decision.

[BozzDK]

as opposed to hai-hai? could you possibly get any gayer?
since when do they allow 10 year old kendoist wannabe in this forum?

Hai whatever u are, if you are starting this to tick people off, get a life.

if you are seriously offended by the beginners wearing $2000 bogu set, get a life.

if you feel that anyone here is offended by your sheer stupidity?

guess what?

GET A LIFE!

[Neil Gendzwill]

what adult do you know has enough time to post over 700 posts?
Well, ya know, a couple posts a day, 2 years of hanging around here, a job with easy access to the net...

[Masahiro]

that's it. this thread has over exhausted itself. someone start another interesting thread please. Let's talk about what some of the poor-est equipment you have ever encountered looked like!? (just an idea) :wink:

[Will]

If you can't play good...might as well look good.

[dorkusxmaximus]

My thoughts exactly haha. I'd do the same thing too if I weren't so poor LOL. Anyway, why does it matter to the other person if they want to buy expensive gear? Their business :)

[Crayzie Willie]

Nihon ni, moderaitoru ga imasu, ne?
"in japan....blah blah blah.."

yes look at me. I know basic japanese. maybe I am just some fan boy.

whoopie.

Seriously, you really need to just practice your kendo and quit being worried about your bogu. Just my two cents really.

[Hai_hai]

2 posts, please. I don't deal with amateur trolls.

[Crash]

Yo Hai
I'm own a BMW, i own nice bogu, i'm a beginner. So the f what? I worked hard for my money. You don't know me. You presume too, judging by the car i drive. That is sad. I don't prejudge you when I ordering a dozen bear claws from you.

[Hai_hai]

...I don't prejudge you when I ordering a dozen bear claws from you.

Oh, that's rich. What's really sad is you probably don't even have a car. You do have a BMW though... 1/12 scale in your bedroom... in your parent's basement.

[Crash]

Again, you don't know me. Whether I drive a BMW is irrelavant. What is relavant is the prejudice that you examplify. This sort of behavior may be the root cause for all the hate that seems to be so prevalant in society today. Not to be a blow horn for geo-politcal beliefs; but turn on the TV. Why do you think people are blowing up buildings right and left? It's the hate that you foster for others that may be different then you. The jealousy that you foster for the proverbial "Jones". That is what is so sad. You need a hug.

[Crash]

Oh, that's rich. What's really sad is you probably don't even have a car. You do have a BMW though... 1/12 scale in your bedroom... in your parent's basement.
You know what is also funny. You are putting me down on the assumption that i do not own a car. By your own argument, if i did not own a car, then i could be accepted by you. Your statement implies that i am lesser because i DO NOT own a BMW. Pick your side man. Your not only prejudice, you are a ignoramus.GOOD JOB.

[Crayzie Willie]

2 posts, please. I don't deal with amateur trolls.
829 posts wow! :GOYOU!:

I am so surprised your not banned. This is a kendo forum. In an art such as kendo, where mutual respect is suppose to be shown, you are definitely the anti-thesis of what kendo is suppose to be about.

I honestly don't think you are really in bogu yet. Hopefully kendo's spirit will persevere, all of us will be able to afford sharkskin dous, and somone will punish you for practicing 非礼な言動. If you carry yourself like this online, how are we as a community suppose to respect you and your actions if you act like this in real life? I honestly hope that you do not represent the path that kendo is headed for the future for foreigners...other wise this could lose the tradition that has been part of this art for so long.

[Hai_hai]

Again, you don't know me. Whether I drive a BMW is irrelavant. What is relavant is the prejudice that you examplify. This sort of behavior may be the root cause for all the hate that seems to be so prevalant in society today. Not to be a blow horn for geo-politcal beliefs; but turn on the TV. Why do you think people are blowing up buildings right and left? It's the hate that you foster for others that may be different then you. The jealousy that you foster for the proverbial "Jones". That is what is so sad. You need a hug.

Ignoramus??? Seriously, you spell like you're in 7th grade.

irrelevant
relevant
exemplify

Big showy words used in this context... it's not your ignorance... it's just plain stupidity.

You can reply with your sob story that you can't spell because of yada yada yada, typos or whatever crap you need to come up with to save face... then burst out in anger that your spelling shouldn't be the focal point of this thread because it makes you look stupid... yada yada yada... your insulting remarks would have had some impact if you didn't spell like a complete boob with the education of my left nut.

[Will]

hai hai is entitled to hate anyone he wants, you guys need to stop fueling this flame.

[Hai_hai]

You know what is also funny. You are putting me down on the assumption that i do not own a car. By your own argument, if i did not own a car, then i could be accepted by you. Your statement implies that i am lesser because i DO NOT own a BMW. Pick your side man. Your not only prejudice, you are a ignoramus.GOOD JOB.
You assume I sell donuts? Seriously...

[Hai_hai]

hai hai is entitled to hate anyone he wants, you guys need to stop fueling this flame.

Please, this thread has got to stop here.

[mingshi]

(I would like to have the PM function back. But honestly, Hai Hai, you've got the best avatar I've ever seen - of course in a ironic sense...)

[Masahiro]

hai hai is entitled to hate anyone he wants, you guys need to stop fueling this flame.
yeah what he said.

[Crash]

Ignoramus??? Seriously, you spell like you're in 7th grade.

irrelevant
relevant
exemplify

Big showy words used in this context... it's not your ignorance... it's just plain stupidity.

You can reply with your sob story that you can't spell because of yada yada yada, typos or whatever crap you need to come up with to save face... then burst out in anger that your spelling shouldn't be the focal point of this thread because it makes you look stupid... yada yada yada... your insulting remarks would have had some impact if you didn't spell like a complete boob with the education of my left nut.ignoramus

n : an ignorant person [syn: know nothing (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=know%20nothing), uneducated person (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=uneducated%20person)]

[Crash]

Sorry for the name calling hai hai. I really do feel bad for you. You seem to be generally an unhappy person. I sense a lot of anger and hatred in you. You should give yourself a break, release all that pent up hostilty. Tension is a killer.

[cst]

Will...you need to see the insults this bastard is putting out and then realize why this has gone as far as it has....Hai, I am starting to think, is someone totally different from what he lets on...I think he is an instigator and a manipulative POS.! He thrives on everyone elses suffering. As a result enjoys the return he gets for his insults...

People who tolerate his behavior must really value his knowledge!

[Will]

Will...you need to see the insults this bastard is putting out and then realize why this has gone as far as it has....Hai, I am starting to think, is someone totally different from what he lets on...I think he is an instigator and a manipulative POS.! He thrives on everyone elses suffering. As a result enjoys the return he gets for his insults...

People who tolerate his behavior must really value his knowledge!

When people insult you, you should be a bigger man and ignore it, not respond back in juvenille manner... come on, y'all showing you're great kenshiis right now by acting like children.

[Hai_hai]

...He thrives on everyone elses suffering...

Suffering? Oh, people are suffering? Genki desu ka?

[Crayzie Willie]

hai hai is entitled to hate anyone he wants, you guys need to stop fueling this flame.
I agree. Where are the moderators? Why isn't this thread locked?

[Hai_hai]

I agree. Where are the moderators? Why isn't this thread locked?
4 posts and you are a self-promoted watchdog on this forum? Please. You must have multiple usernames.

[Crayzie Willie]

Wow. You really are a child.

[Alex]

I've read through the whole thread as there have been a number of complaints about Haihai. To be honest, it's not really Haihai that's the problem here. It's a number of others who seem to have problems with Haihai's opinions, even if some of them are laim. There seems to be a lot of pots calling the kettle black. Anyway, thank you for your extremely valued input Crayzie Willie. Gee, I don't know what we would do without you. Maybe you'd like to be a moderator? :robot:

Please stop this stupidity on our site! :confused2

[Marine_Boy]

Whilst reading through this thread, I felt the profound need to say something to haihai. This was around pages 2 to 4.

By the time I got to the end of the thread, I just can't be arsed to say anything helpful or give friendly advice.

Haihai, you're on your own mate.

[Andoru]

lol! :D :D :D

[Hai_hai]

This topic is about "rich-boy show-offs". It's not to be taken seriously.
Jitsu wa... takarakuji ni atarimasu youni.
...Kyo mo ichinichi shigoto ka.

[Marine_Boy]

This topic is about "rich-boy show-offs". It's not to be taken seriously.
Jitsu wa... takarakuji ni atarimasu youni.
...Kyo mo ichinichi shigoto ka.


Somehow, you've come across as being serious about this topic though.

Someone tell me otherwise.

[JSchmidt]

I've read through the whole thread as there have been a number of complaints about Haihai. To be honest, it's not really Haihai that's the problem here. It's a number of others who seem to have problems with Haihai's opinions, even if some of them are laim.
I agree with you to some extent and I normally just ignore him. The problem is that he will often be the first one to post to new members (whether they're new to kendo or not) and will often reply with deliberatly misleading and/or offensive posts.
As he never posts anything about himself (trolls rarely do), people grabbed this opportunity to get one back at him. Not especially nice, but understandable, with the amount of crap he's fed to this BBS.

Jakob

[Crash]

I agree with you to some extent and I normally just ignore him. The problem is that he will often be the first one to post to new members (whether they're new to kendo or not) and will often reply with deliberatly misleading and/or offensive posts.
As he never posts anything about himself (trolls rarely do), people grabbed this opportunity to get one back at him. Not especially nice, but understandable, with the amount of crap he's fed to this BBS.

Jakob
I totally agree. Look at all his posts. It's all right there.

[Crayzie Willie]

Maybe you'd like to be a moderator? :robot:


Far from it. I am no troll, as it has been suggested. I am merely a person who has been reading these forums for quite some time now...yet has never felt the expertise and knowledge I think is required to actively respond to newer kendoka. The only reason why I even bothered to post was because the quality of threads have decreased since the initial topics/responses posted by hai hai. If the topics/responses have remained in their respective threads, then I would have no problem with it. However, as this thread has continuted on, hai hai's own negative reponses have diffuesed out to a number of other threads. I think it has become down right annoying to see such outright banter in threads which have come for an opinion on a subject. (The whole new influx of kendoka wishing to be the next Kenshin, however, is a totally different story!) Honestly, what would be your initial reaction if you were flamed outright in your very first post. I do recognize that the search function is not utilized to the extent it should be, but that is how many, if more often then not, newer persons to this board operate. Honestly, I even now so regret tooting my horn, because I realize I do not have any validation on this forum. So yes. I agree with your sarcasm, but I am not inclined to take respond to it. . And since this is the only real forum which actively discusses kendo in an english oriented fashion, I found it to be a pity that the latest of threads/responses have degraded in overall quality, not to mention the lack of common courtesy. So there. I have tooted this horn, but no more.

[Knicky]

I personally bought a 400 dollar set of bogu. Nothing nice - but it works :). I have been told that many Sensei's do get offended when a beginner buys a really nice set of bogu. Generally in response the Sensei will go very hard on them.

In the end though it dosent matter - people who do kendo for looks or to show off will drop out eventually.

There was a guy at my dojo who came to a seminar, then as lunch came - he went to a martial arts store, bought a hakama and came back wearing a t-shirt and hakama. Next weekend I saw him at the beginner class in full garb.

Myself, I didnt get a hakama/keikogi till my Sensei told me too (thus I was also ready to go into bogu).

I didnt really mind to much that he did that cause it gave a good laugh to me and my girlfriend :)

[Hai_hai]

I agree. Where are the moderators? Why isn't this thread locked?
Why are you reading this thread anyway. アホ

[taiwnezboi]

In the end though it dosent matter - people who do kendo for looks or to show off will drop out eventually.

I'll admit I get a little irritated when I see beginners wearing really nice stuff, but Kendo/Kumdo is also about looking your best. At a tournament I went to, the head shimpan said that we should make ourselves look sharp so that our Kendo will be sharp too. I've also been told by people and heard that judges are more prone to give you points if you look nice and have your equipment tied neatly. Maybe that's the reason I didn't get many points at the tournaments I went to when I had a knot on the side of my "men." The string had ripped so I had tied it together with a knot, and there was a big knot on the left side of my "men" :silly:

[Knicky]

Oh I agree fully that you need to look your best. I have a tournament coming up this Saturday (Its my first, wish me luck!) and i'm shining up my bogu tonight, refitting my shinai, and ironing out the himo of my hakama to look all spiffy. I consider that part of Kendo and enjoy it as well.

[Ridhwan]

Deleted and banned. :ogre:

[Masahiro]

edited

Don't be offended. I am not here to educate or criticize you. I simply disagree with what you said that's all. Good luck with kendo, perhaps you may use the same energy to surpass your peers.

[Nishi]

LOL!! I have missed this forum.. :)

Well let me see, I live 'just' within my means, so if i was rich, then in principal I would have better bogu...but! I agree with Hai Hai (as usual) because when I fence a newbie with creamy spanking new gear and no game, I do my best to "sign that dou"...why? im not sure, again, mabye out of principal or mabye just envy...so yes, I may not hate rich-boy show offs but they can bother me.

As for the British rich-boy discussion, Britian enjoys a strong currency on the international market, and good on'em, the Brit Gov't sticks it to the masses on every other occaission, the Brits should get a break!

What scares me are the old guys semi-retired, obviously well-off or comfortable, that sport 20 year old bogu that is as weathered as they are, these guys are hard-core.

[Dante]

Okey some may be material rich, but there is many ways to be rich, Yes the world aint a fair place, but it just makes a bigger reason to treat eachother with respect and kindness. If they are flashing it in a manner that are directley meant for the flash effect, you hopefully know atleast something they dont.

[shinjinho]

a poem i made that has absolutely nothing to do with this topic although no one probably reads this anymore

i like apple pie
in the sky
do you really
want to die?
if you want
then i will say
i love you
and you are hooray!
if you say so
then i will
kill your boo boo
on your pill
then if you don't
then i will do
what will you say
then you will... ummm
BLOW UP!!!
YAYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this is my thoughts about this whole topic
ps...... because i am the new dictator of California... i have decided to become united with hawaii and alaska in become the new country called pineapple.

PEACE UP~~~ A TOWNNNN DOWNNN

[not-I]

you need to watch the dosage before posting.

[kanyil]

What scares me are the old guys semi-retired, obviously well-off or comfortable, that sport 20 year old bogu that is as weathered as they are, these guys are hard-core.
right on, especially the ones where the doh is faded on one side due to repeated blows.

[CalmWind]

Hey

Im farly new to kendo, i bought some nice things becouse i could afford it at the time. How ever i would like to say something to this topic. One person that got me into kendo has an old bogu. I made a coment about it and the replay made me think and under stand. " It's my Bogu, it's my sweet and tears, it's my memory its my story."

Think about it.

[litige]

Hey

Im farly new to kendo, i bought some nice things becouse i could afford it at the time. How ever i would like to say something to this topic. One person that got me into kendo has an old bogu. I made a coment about it and the replay made me think and under stand. " It's my Bogu, it's my sweet and tears, it's my memory its my story."

Think about it.

tu parle tu français calmwind?