kendo in manga/anime

[saki_wooah]

have you ever seen any kendo in manga/anime? not budo sports, but specifically kendo.
I saw some kendo in Revolutionary Girl Utena (Shoujo Kakumei Utena) but it was kind of short and bizarre. They didn't have bogu

here are some pics:


http://www.animeart.com/i/utena/1/67.jpg

http://www.animeart.com/i/utena/5/9.jpg
what is this waza?

[saki_wooah]

oups, sorry, here are the good urls

http://membres.lycos.fr/utena/gallery/67.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/utena/gallery/7.jpg
what is this waza?

http://membres.lycos.fr/utena/gallery/4.jpg
jodan

[Darthchevy]

You can see kendo in Rouroni Kenshin ( the Little guy, Yahiko practices kendo) and also in the last episode of Love Hina you can see abot 7 seconds of people practicing kendo in full bogu( one of the character is part of her school Female Kendo Club).

[Confound]

what about Nazca? That has kendou at the beginning. poorly animated, but it's actually kendou, not sword fighting.

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[Ares2907]

Can't go past Musashi no ken.

For fans of comic-book samurai drama (?) - I recommend Usagi Yojimbo

www.usagiyojimbo.com

[iwatekenshi]

Musashi No Ken?! I'm surprised somebody knows that one! Great manga. It takes place where I live and the story is based on some sensei who lived here and died from getting a hard tsuki about 20 years ago. Serious stuff and nobody dares to talk about it too much. That manga was made based on those events. That's all I know.
Another good manga that I've read is Ron. Takes place in pre-war Japan as historical fiction with some real characters with an anti-war anti-big business message. A must read if you like Japanese history.

[KhawMengLee]

Theres a brief scene from "Monster City" where the hero is instructing some kids in Kendo. In the anime he uses a bokken to fight. You can see slips on it in the film Johnny Mnemonic.

Also in the manga Battle Angel Alita(Gunm in Japan) when she fights in the Motorball 3rd league. The champion of the league she takes out is decked in Kendo Bogu.


MENG

[qpuppy]

yeah i have a comic which is purly kendo... more or High school kendo.
It where this freshman in senior High school joined the kendo club because he admired this seniot of his, and the main story is that becasue he has a really strong right leg... he forced himself to learn Jodan without much of him mastering Chudan... anyway... at the end.. he became one of the strongers kendoka in Japan... and he managered to enter into the All Japan Kendo Championship when he is still in University.....

very good story...
but dont know what the name is in Japanese or English... it was in Chinese.. but drawn by a Japanese though.

Al

[taiwnezboi]

qpuppy: do you think you could post the Chinese characters for the title of the comic?

[kendo_chick]

There is lots of kendo in Kenshin!

[kendokamax]

ah i read (read the pictures) that japanese comic once.
I think it was kinda funny. When the guy does tsuki on his senpai and..... oh well super drama..

[mingshi]

http://images-jp.amazon.com/images/P/B00005U0M3.09.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Guys, is this what you're talking about?

Musashi no Ken... by Muraue Modoka
Manga printed on Weekly Sunday (Boy's Manga-zine) during 1981-85. I haven't read the whole thing yet but indeed it is hugely popular among Kendoka in that generation (who's at school already in 1981). Nice art in the 80's standard, although it's still a typical "boy's manga" story. The first chapter has musasho and his Dad (Iwate policeman) practicing Kendo in the bathtub!
Mu.Sa.Shi no Ken Chapter 1 (http://websunday.net/museum/no12/no12in.html)

If you've ever tried animation, or even simply line drawing, you'd notice that Kendo is particularly hard to draw. I'm not talking about the action, but the EQUIPMENT!! Can you imagine cell-animators spending time animating all the metal bars on the Men?? My theory it that this is the only reason why you can't see much Kendo in Manga & Anime (as compare to baseball!), because Mangaka and animators would avoid drawing that as much as possible. Even if Kendo took place, it'll probably be off-screen (just heard Kiai at the back). Good tricks for Anime.

However there's still occational appearance of Kendo (with full Bogu). For example, the hugely popular "Detective Conan" has an episode (I guess in vol. 31) of murder during a Kendo Taikai. Conan's Kansai friend, Henji, is the son of the Osaka PD head (i.e. some Kendo master). I've seen so many Kendo kids reading Conan before keiko! Also by the same Mangaka (Aoyama Goushou) is "YAIBA!" which is an adventure story of a kid going on samurai training... pretty entertaining when he get to meet Miyamoto Musashi (500-yr-old Yoda looking) and Sasaki Kojiro (still young and handsome). Aoyama Gousho was a Kendoka at school.

http://websunday.net/museum/no10/no10ph1.jpg
YAIBA! chapter 1 (http://websunday.net/museum/no10/no10in.html)

Another one worth mentioning is Ranma 1/2 (see my avatar!)... One of the characters is Kuno Takewaki, which is the team cap of their high school. But he's a jerk who's always in Gi, Hakama and Bokken... The only time he's ever in Bogu is vol. 20-21.

I still missed my Manga collection in HK...:cry:

[KhawMengLee]

If you've ever tried animation, or even simply line drawing, you'd notice that Kendo is particularly hard to draw. I'm not talking about the action, but the EQUIPMENT!! Can you imagine cell-animators spending time animating all the metal bars on the Men?? My theory it that this is the only reason why you can't see much Kendo in Manga & Anime (as compare to baseball!), because Mangaka and animators would avoid drawing that as much as possible. Even if Kendo took place, it'll probably be off-screen (just heard Kiai at the back). Good tricks for Anime


Nah, I think its more the fact that Kendo is a bit too common in Japan. It's not unique enough.

Check out Yukito Kishiro's work http://www.interq.or.jp/drums/tsutomu/E-top/E-top.html

In one of his manga (motorball issues) he draws the enemy in full bogu really well.

Actually see this section to get an idea of how much work goes into his covers.

http://www.interq.or.jp/drums/tsutomu/E-top/LOcover02/top.html


PEACE
MENG

[qpuppy]

hi guys...

I found the site on about the comic book i was talking about....
The title is called "shippuudotou" by MORITA Kenji.....
The site is
http://www.bigcomics.shogakukan.co.jp/toshokan/title/sg/sippuudotou.html

Morita actually draws a few kendo related stories.. so read it if you get the chance

hey Taiwnezboi... the comic in Chinese is (hope can be read online) Œ• �_ ’· –å —ó by �· “c Œ« Ži

happy searching... :)

Al

[saki_wooah]

Originally posted by mingshi

If you've ever tried animation, or even simply line drawing, you'd notice that Kendo is particularly hard to draw. I'm not talking about the action, but the EQUIPMENT!! Can you imagine cell-animators spending time animating all the metal bars on the Men?? My theory it that this is the only reason why you can't see much Kendo in Manga & Anime (as compare to baseball!), because Mangaka and animators would avoid drawing that as much as possible. Even if Kendo took place, it'll probably be off-screen (just heard Kiai at the back). Good tricks for Anime.


It's true that drawing kendo equipment is kind of hard. All you can see is a bogu on the floor, and that's all in anime.
hm, i don't remember if there was some kiai in Utena ( have to watch it again). There was 2 people fighting (duh), Saionji and Touga. Saionji in jodan (the guy in the pics before) and Touga in chodan. They look at each other, and then Saionji did something like men (if I remember well...) and Touga did tsuki (without touching themselves with boken, a bit like katas) And the fight ended this way. hm I don't remember if it was boken or shinai... there was a scene with shinai falling on a wall (something like that). Erg, i hardly understand myself what I wrote..

[Confound]

I disagree. There are far more complex things drawn in anime or manga, especially if you read girl's manga or watch fantasy anime. For example, look at a CLAMP manga! The detail is astonishing. Also, the Heroic Legend of Arislan (the first 3 episodes and the last episode only of the anime)! It is very detailled, both in manga and anime form. Also, fantasy anime, like Record of Lodoss War (the OVA), tends to get lost in little tiny details on armour or weapons. X, another clamp anime, is also very detailled.

There can be great attention paid to details in anime and manga, it depends on what you're watching. While we're on that subject, high budget productions, like Shinseki Evangelion and Gasaraki have a great deal of detail. Look at the drawings of the evangelion units, it's all there, right down to the last screws, nuts and bolts.

I'll admit, most anime isn't all that detailled. It's low budget, and not so attentively drawn. (if you lived in Japan, you'd see what I mean. One look at "One Piece" leaves me ill for days, as does seeing "Do Re Mi", and some of the other asinine anime for children. Though I would like to point out that Crayon Shinchan is a work of genius, absolute ruddy genius!)

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[Ares2907]

Just incidentally, one can use morpheus or your preferred flavour of p2p prog to download that episode of pokemon that caused massive numbers of Japanese children to have grand mal (sp?)seizures.
It's right up there on my list of things to send to irritating people, along with Sakado's tape from RING.

[KhawMengLee]

It's right up there on my list of things to send to irritating people, along with Sakado's tape from RING. :eek:

Fuck man! The movie freaked me out. Just the ending bit where she comes out of the TV. Good, concept but could have done with more scary bits.

[mingshi]

(Why do I find myself always engaged in arguements lately?)

There is a great gap between "able to draw" and "wanting to draw". There aren't many Mangaka out their who likes having Kendo stories... Judo yes. Samurai yes. Ninja yes. Basketball yes. Another theory: in a Kendo match with full bogu on, all the emotions of the characters are hidden, and all the details of clothings will be the same. Can you imagine a Kendo match being represented like Ultraman vs Gorzillas? And the story goes on and on with out any emotions of the characters?

I believe CLAMP's drawing skill is far too advanced to draw something like a Kendo match.They like playing with details in their Manga; it's their style. There is no experimenting allowed in drawing Kendo. In fantasy Manga you can add feathers here and there, in basketball there are team uniforms and people's faces. Kendo?

Yes, Neon Genisis Evangelion has the most complicated Anime techniques people can ever found in a TV series. BUT please watch all the episodes. After episode 10 or so there isn't any great animation sequences. The production company Gainax went totally out of budget because they've spent far too much cells on EVA. From 11 or so onwards, you'd end up seeing the best use of Anime tricks ever. Re-runs, clip shows, still cells, still photos, still text etc. Dubbings and sounds costs much less so they keep having non-stop dialogues. The most famous one is a scene in ep. 22 where Asuka and Rei just stand in the elevator for 3 minutes of screen time. Brilliant trick. Being able to draw details in one thing, being able to animate/move the details is totally different. BTW, Crayon Shinchan, Nintama Rantaro, Guru Guru Mahozan etc. all rely heavily on plot and not the animated details.

My theory is based on the fact that Kendo (with full bogu/ in Shiai) does not interest Mangaka/Animators, not that they can't draw.

p.s. I HATE POKEMON!! I'm so glad that I does not belong to that generation:cool:

[Ares2907]

Originally posted by KhawMengLee
:eek:

Fuck man! The movie freaked me out. Just the ending bit where she comes out of the TV. Good, concept but could have done with more scary bits.

You think?
I thought it was quite tastefully done in that regard. That particualr scene worked very well because there weren't a bunch of comical blood and guts scenes beforehand to detract from it. I thought it was paced just nicely - just when you think it's all over
- BAM - you get that scene.

Made me wary of falling asleep in front of the TV :-)

[KhawMengLee]

Heh, I watched it on the TV in my room(next to my bed)...needless to say I slept with my bokuto that night.


Another one of my mates was watching it with some japanese friends and half way through it the phone rang...heh...no one wanted to pick it up.

[Confound]

Mingshi, I was only saying that it is possible, not that people want to do it. geez. you're only arguing because you're pouncing.

c

[munenmuso]

i saw this japanese cartoon shown as a series in chinese cable channel so it was basically dubbed in chinese.it was a story of a boy who promised his father to be the best everin kendo.but his father died later in a taikai thru a tsuki by a very strong opponent who became the object of his vengeance.this animation is all about kendo and the only one i know devoted to it.unfortunately i never saw it again.what a pity because the action here is simple and plain within human capacity unlike in the series samurai x where people are like flying nuns who zoom over your head and with speed of dragonflies and it seem to to that they teleport like captain piccard.can anyone remember that cartoons?

[akihiro]

Munenmuso,

The storyline you are describing sounds like "Musashi No Ken" to me. I have read the manga many times, but I did not know that there was a cartoon version!

[munenmuso]

akihiro-san,

Thanks.But i never knew the name of the prime character who is a boy because they dubbed it in chinese so they also changed his name but not Musashi.Based from its quality and style of animation,it's an old anime from the late 70's or early 80's,not so sure(not an authority to this).But another inteersting anime is "Yaiba the Legend of the Masterswordsman". This anime is annoying but funny.tells the story of a boy from the rural who finds his way to the city to be the best swordsman.He first used a shinai in his training and there was a bit of kendo match in full gear in the beginning of the story.Later the characters of Musashi Miyamoto(as an old pervert and his sensei), Jubei Yagyu, and Kojiro Sasaki appeared in the scene.

Seen this one?

[kanyil]

yeah i have a comic which is purly kendo... more or High school kendo.
It where this freshman in senior High school joined the kendo club because he admired this seniot of his, and the main story is that becasue he has a really strong right leg... he forced himself to learn Jodan without much of him mastering Chudan... anyway... at the end.. he became one of the strongers kendoka in Japan... and he managered to enter into the All Japan Kendo Championship when he is still in University.....

very good story...
but dont know what the name is in Japanese or English... it was in Chinese.. but drawn by a Japanese though.

Al

I think I read that series last night at the local manga-shop/library. it's titled (god of ken) 劍神-something (the main character's name). Spents heaps of time on the dangers of doing tsukis (or being on the receiving end thereof).

[Aiko]

Motoko Aoyama from Love Hina (my favorite charecter in the series) does kendo and is quite skilled. In Rurouni Kenshin Yahiko, Kaoru, and Kenshin(I think) do some form of kendo. :shocked:

[DanDan]

i've seen it in one of my sister's manga...it's called "Kare Kano" by Masami Tsuda...it just shows the guy in the bogu and a part when som ppl r having practice...

[Hitokiri]

Here (http://charentekendo.free.fr/kenshin.htm) are some scans of a kendo-scene in "Rurouni Kenshin". Kendo turns up in this manga quite often and, honestly, I have to admit that it was this manga which made me practice kendo myself :rolleyes:
One of the "main" characters, Myôjin Yahiko, is always carrying a shinai around, and is also given kendo lessons by Kamiya Kaoru, the main female character of the series. However, the element of kendo isn't that imported in this manga, it's just used to add some depth to all the sword-slashing action :devious:

PS: Sadly the manga scans in this example are in French, and the translator somehow had the stupid idea to translate "men" in "le front"... :spchless: :rolleyes:

saraba

[WannabeYojimbo]

Damn guys... I can draw and I have tried drawing the Men, And it's freakin hard... I always just end up drawing the Do and Tsuki. I always end up drawing them with guns anyway...

Usagi Yojimbo is awesome though. Killin all them wacked up cat ninjas, it's awesome.

[kendokamax]

poignet-front-torse!!!!!!!!

[Hai_hai]

Damn guys... I can draw and I have tried drawing the Men, And it's freakin hard... I always just end up drawing the Do and Tsuki. I always end up drawing them with guns anyway...

It is obvious you either have never taken lessons in drawing and you do not have the natural talent to draw.

[kanyil]

well, a couple people and I were having a similar discussion on another thread, I think the more well known kendo (not kenjutsu) mangas are:


Musashi no Ken (Jodan, nito, the works)
劍神長門烈 (the comic qpuppy was referring and the name of which I couldn't remember earlier)(aka DCPan's avatar ) (jodan with strong high school flavor)
Ippei (一平) (police kendo...more about crime fighting in the latter chapters)
Ryu (never seen it myself, but highly recommended by DC Pan) (set in early 1900s?)
If anybody knows about others please let me know!

[Anime12478]

There is Kaze to Ken. I don't know much about it since my Japanese is not proficient as I would like it to be and I only have the third issue. I just happened to find it in a local Japanese store

[DCPan]

Ryu (never seen it myself, but highly recommended by DC Pan) (set in early 1900s?)
[/list]If anybody knows about others please let me know!
Ron by Murakami Motoka (http://users.skynet.be/mangaguide/au1244.html)

Cover of 龍－ＲＯＮ－ and しっぷうどとう (by Morita Kenji) can be found here:

http://www008.upp.so-net.ne.jp/wat/youth7.htm

[kanyil]

I just rocked down to my local Sofabooks and read through the "Lon" series in an afternoon (38 volumes so far?). It is an excellent work, although not devoted exclusively to kendo. The kendo portions of it, however, is strictly old school as the whole manga is set in the pre-war period.

[Lloromannic]

In the anime Saint Seya the man-servant of the "purple-haired-lady-whose-name-I-can't-remember" wears bogu when they go to fight the bad guys.

[BravoOne]

The lady's name is Athena, the Goddess of War. Her followers are not wearing bogu, they are armours made of various types of metals.

[Darknails]

Does anyone know about this one?
http://www.mall.com.tw/more/?i=1327

I'm trying to find english translation on the internet, but I don't even know the name of this manga or its artist in english. Can anyone tell me?

[Kitsune]

Weeellll, about the question Kaoru and Yahiko from Rurouni Kenshin practice Kendo, In Peacemaker Kurogame Shinsengumi are train in Kendo before they use the real katana

[Razeasha]

Masaya from Tokyo Mew Mew practices Kendo.
I think there is probably some sort of Kendo in Peacemaker Kurogane, but I can't tell...

[David]

Sadly the manga scans in this example are in French, and the translator somehow had the stupid idea to translate "men" in "le front"... :spchless: :rolleyes:

Hey, it's better then the English translation done by Shonen Jump. There, they call men "lunging", and when Yutaro goes in for the strike, they have him calling out stuff like "MM!" or "MMH!", or my favorite, "MMF!!"

In Peacemaker Kurogame Shinsengumi are train in Kendo before they use the real katana
Actually, only Tetsunosuke had to practice kendo, because he had no formal training with a sword. The Shinsengumi was a group of highly skilled Ronin, so they all knew how to wield a blade upon joining.

[Kitsune]

Yeah, but they practice with a bokken and shinais before de sword, so they're somehow practicing kendo and I was talking about the newbies on Shinsengumi (at least on Peacemaker, no the real life)

[rottunpunk]

beyblade has kendo

mwahaha-best cartoon ever.
though its only a bit really-and no fighting

but still-beyblade-chya
:p

[milova]

prolly has been said before... but i believe in "kare kano" (his and her circumstances) arima is the captain of the kendo team at their high school ^^ heh. yay for shoujo. but of course there is a lot more kendo in shounen manga/anime.