Jodan kote?

[deathbykendo]

I was wondering how jodan players hit kote?

Especially if your opponent's kote is covered, like in the sega (spelling??)kamae, where from chudan they point the tip of their shinai at your left kote.

Kirby

[Inouye02]

maybe tenken will see this and respond...

[samurai999]

Of course hitting kote is different for everybody in jodan nonetheless chudan, but from what I experienced, they usually hit kote almost perpendicular to your arm. Otherwise, you'd have to move to the left to hit kote. Like Jamie said, maybe tenken can chime in.

Tim

[Neil Gendzwill]

Usually, the strike comes in pretty straight but at the last instant, they rotate their hand out which creates the right angle to hit the kote.

My experience is that you need to get the aite moving. If his kensen is aimed at the circle created by your arms in jodan, then he's got his men and his kote protected fairly equally. If you get him moving towards the outside, men is vulnerable. If you get him moving to the inside, kote is vulnerable. But I'm just a part time jodan guy, Tenken or someone else probably has a lot better advice.

[rfoxmich]

I was shown three ways to hit. Most involved moving at least a bit to the left.
- Straight cut is straight down to the kote. Body moves out to the left
slightly on the left foot, then back in to the center with the right foot usually
into tsuba zeriai
- Outside - As Neil said, as you come in (same footwork as above), the
left elbow comes out slightly, the wrist points in back to the center to
hit the kote.. seems easy but getting correct hasuji is a bear.
- Inside - Same foot work again, but in this case, the left wrist rolls a bit as
if you were hitting sayu hidari men. This helps clear the opponent's kamae
and the cut then comes in behind the kamae to the kote... also really
tough to get the hasuji just right.

Ron.

[Kendoka]

I was wondering how jodan players hit kote?

Especially if your opponent's kote is covered, like in the sega (spelling??)kamae, where from chudan they point the tip of their shinai at your left kote.

Kirby

!! YOU need to ask ????

Richard

[Kendoka]

... what I meant is - well, you are rather good at katate kote from jodan !

R;

[Nanbanjin]

I was wondering how jodan players hit kote?

Especially if your opponent's kote is covered, like in the sega (spelling??)kamae, where from chudan they point the tip of their shinai at your left kote.

Kirby

I think you mean "heisei-gan".

A few people have suggested that you should hit around the shinai, so you hit perpendicular to the opponent's kote. I am not a big fan of this type of kote and I put it into the "OK for competitions" category.
As with kote cuts from chudan I feel the ideal is to hit straight, with the same action as for when you hit men. There is no "going around" your opponent's kamae. If there is an opening, take it. Otherwise, make an opening or wait for one.

As a general rule, if you can see your opponent's kote you should be able to hit it straight.
I have also read that if your opponent is using heisei-gan, you can hit kote if their kensen strays anywhere inside the line of your left kote.
Another suggestion I have read is that to "get around" heisei-gan you might move your left fist out a little before you cut. The line of your shinai should follow the line of your opponent's all the way down from the beginning of the cut to the point of impact with the kote.

When I have time I read the Ichinikai (http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~ichini/) forums. There is often very good advice. I will translate a small section that I think you might find useful.

片手の打突を覚える際に、まず、上段からの諸手（両手）の素振りをしましょう。

　１）諸手左上段から、
　２）左右の拳の位置をカラダの正中線（中心）に戻すして
　３）まっすぐに面に下ろします。カラダの移動は右足蹴り出しで左足から前に
　　　出ます
　４）右足から後ろにさがって諸手左上段にとります。

これがうまくできるようになったら、３）で左片手にして打ってみます。このと
き右手はすぐに放してしまわないで、右拳が額の前に来るまで持っていて「押し
手」として使います。額の前まできたら、そこで手を放し右手は軽く握って胴の
タイコに付けます。左手はそのまま前方に伸ばして面の高さで止めます。

これが基本の面打ちです。横からではなくて、左拳が正中線に入り真っすぐ打っ
ているから平正眼に引っ掛からないで打てるんです。
まず、このコースと振り方を、素振りでしっかりと身につけてから、実際に元立
ちに対して面打ちの稽古をするようにしてください。最初から、打ち込みをする
と手の内やコースが悪くなりますから、気をつけましょう(^^)

(More or less) Translates as...



In order to learn one handed techniques you should first practice morote (both handed) suburi from jodan.




From morote left jodan
Return the position of your left and right fists to the dead centre line of your body
Swing straight down to men. To move your body kick out with the right leg, moving forward from the left leg
Retreat from the right leg back into morote left jodan position


Once you can do this well, let go with your right hand at step 3 to hit kata-te. Don't let go with your right hand straight away. Instead, wait until the right hand is in front of your forehead and use it as a "pushing hand (oshi-te)".

At the point where your right and is in front of your forehead let go with your right hand and close your right fist lightly, bringing your fist down against the "drum" of your Do. Straighten the left arm out directly in front and stop at the height of your men.

This is basic men-uchi. You don't hit from the side. Your left fist enters the centre line and you hit straight, so you can hit without becoming tangled up with heisei-gan.
Start by mastering this type of suburi and progress to practicing against a moto-dachi.
When you start practicing this technique your te-no-uchi and the course of your shinai will become uneven when you hit so keep this in mind.




The thread goes on to say (too tired to translate directly) that to hit kote when your opponent is using heiseigan you should move your left fist to the left. Logically if you move your left fist outside the line of your opponent's kensen you should be able to hit kote. You should follow the line of your opponent's shinai, steping to the left diagonal slightly.
The thread does end by saying that in practice you might hit a little differently, which I think alludes to the type of hit where you roll your wrist when you hit so the back of your hand faces upwards.
Rolling your wrist when you hit requires arm strength, which I am sure you have plenty of. It might not be

Anyway, the purist in me thinks you should master hitting straight. Use the rolling wrist technique for competitions if you find it effective.

I translated a heap of stuff about jodan at the following thread

http://www.kendo-world.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1715

The more I read my translations the more they sound to me like the dialogue from the Iron Chef.

[D'Artagnan]

I was wondering how jodan players hit kote?

Especially if your opponent's kote is covered, like in the sega (spelling??)kamae, where from chudan they point the tip of their shinai at your left kote.

Kirby


You're taking the piss aren't you?

You are the guy from those ACT videos...

[Yann]

The (atleast) 4 dan Jodan player who 0wnz everybody...

[Yann]

(>'-')> Smith...

(Ok that was lame)

[JSchmidt]

I was wondering how jodan players hit kote?

Especially if your opponent's kote is covered, like in the sega (spelling??)kamae, where from chudan they point the tip of their shinai at your left kote.

Kirby
I'm nowhere near the level of your jodan, but I've been taught that you can't hit kote without forcing the opponent to move his hands. (When he/she is using seigan).

Anyway, the purist in me thinks you should master hitting straight. Use the rolling wrist technique for competitions if you find it effective.
This is virtually impossible, IMO, unless you are playing against a very in-experienced opponent.
Virtually all the references I've seen and from what I've been taught, involves moving to the left and/or rolling the wrist.

Jakob

[Vansen]

You're taking the piss aren't you?

You are the guy from those ACT videos...
LOL. The original question was posted before the ACT comp.
I guess we are seeing the fruits of the suggestions posted in the forum, being executed in the vids.

The next comp on the eastern seaboard of Australia is in early August. So if DeathbyKendo ask for more suggestions, please provide him with as much information as possible. Maybe we see him play in Wakki-gakame :D

[Nanbanjin]

This is virtually impossible, IMO, unless you are playing against a very in-experienced opponent.
Virtually all the references I've seen and from what I've been taught, involves moving to the left and/or rolling the wrist.

Jakob

It's just as impossible to hit kote dead straight from chudan if your opponent is holding sei-chudan-no-kamae. As with chudan-no-kamae the target needs to be there for you to hit.
To hit kote from jodan the opponent's kensen needs to be inside the line of your left fist.
For this to happen you can move you left hand a little to the left, but if the movement is too big it becomes obvious. Taking things to the extreme your opponent could have a kamae where the kensen is way outside your left fist. In that case hit men instead of kote.
That leads to the next way of getting your opponents kensen inside your left fist. Draw the kensen in by hitting kote as though you are going for men.
Stepping slightly to the left as you go forward is another way of gaining the opening.
Hitting by rolling your wrist is just one way of hitting. Striking in a straight line takes more skill.
Maybe this deathbykendo person is good enough to give it a try.
If people don't stop kissing his arse he won't even be able to walk straight.

[JSchmidt]

Just curious, have you played jodan much?

Jakob

[Nanbanjin]

Just curious, have you played jodan much?

Jakob

No, I'm a strictly chudan player.

[Kingofmyrrh]

There are enough myths around in kendo even without us creating our own, so let`s try and hold back. The idea that straight kendo is pure is very much a recent idea. Pretty much anyone who had their kendo education pre or just post war will be able to tell you that people used to use sideways movements a lot more. In fact, I remember a post by Hide on Ichinikai that describes how nuki do, for example, always used to finish going to the side, not forward (thus avoiding the issue of having to slide the hands together to avoid discomfort when passing through). Alternatively, if you read accounts of old shiai, such as the Meiji Jingu Kyougi Taikai (hmm, feel the brooding nationalism) then they`re full of descriptions like `A struck boldly for hidarikatatehanmen, but B, unflustered, received on the right shinogi, and striking lgyaku do, gracefully slid past his opponent to the left, `. Well, they`re normally full of talk about blows so hard that the opponent`s tsuba cracked or do snapped or whatever as well, but that`s not really relevenat here. Finally, if you read some of the last interviews with Nakakura Kiyoshi (9th dan) he often stresses that what he feels is important in kendo is sideways movements, not just back and forth. He was also quite the jodan player after he hurt his leg, coincidentally...
btw, do you know when hide plans to release his DVD?

[Nanbanjin]

There are enough myths around in kendo even without us creating our own, so let`s try and hold back. The idea that straight kendo is pure is very much a recent idea. Pretty much anyone who had their kendo education pre or just post war will be able to tell you that people used to use sideways movements a lot more. In fact, I remember a post by Hide on Ichinikai that describes how nuki do, for example, always used to finish going to the side, not forward (thus avoiding the issue of having to slide the hands together to avoid discomfort when passing through). Alternatively, if you read accounts of old shiai, such as the Meiji Jingu Kyougi Taikai (hmm, feel the brooding nationalism) then they`re full of descriptions like `A struck boldly for hidarikatatehanmen, but B, unflustered, received on the right shinogi, and striking lgyaku do, gracefully slid past his opponent to the left, `. Well, they`re normally full of talk about blows so hard that the opponent`s tsuba cracked or do snapped or whatever as well, but that`s not really relevenat here. Finally, if you read some of the last interviews with Nakakura Kiyoshi (9th dan) he often stresses that what he feels is important in kendo is sideways movements, not just back and forth. He was also quite the jodan player after he hurt his leg, coincidentally...
btw, do you know when hide plans to release his DVD?

If you are accusing me of creating myths then I resent it. These myths be they myths have been passed down to me. Beliefs I am happy to share with my instructor. Circumstances may dictate otherwise, but generally the straighter the better.

I am not exactly abreast of the latest developments at Ichinikai.
http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~ichini/bbs4/793413731343211.html is the latest info I could find using the search engine.

I posted Kirby's question on Ichinikai. Using Ichinikai makes me pretty nervous though.

[ratdeau]

My experience is that you need to get the aite moving. If his kensen is aimed at the circle created by your arms in jodan, then he's got his men and his kote protected fairly equally. If you get him moving towards the outside, men is vulnerable. If you get him moving to the inside, kote is vulnerable.I totally aggree. One very important thing is seme. It's very difficult to attack anybody in chudan or jodan, without seme. If you put pressure on the other, he will always react, and this reaction give you a opportunity to attack.

[Nanbanjin]

Well, I got a reply from Ichnikai.
For those interested in the original Japanese thread please refer to the following URL.

http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~ichini/bbs4/0578417063961787.html

Hide's response regarding hitting around heisei-gan and rolling the wrist to hit kote from the side was as follows.

実はこれは正しい打ち方ではありません。試合用のテクニックですね(^^;
こうやって打った場合、竹刀が小手に当たった瞬間は刃筋が横向きになるはずです。
この後、体を出しながら肘を下に向け左の小指を下に向けるように直しますと、いかにも
「刃筋正しく打った」っていう感じになります。残念ながら、日本でもこの小手の打ち方
で一本になってしまいますが・・・(-_-)

この打ち方は腕力の弱い女子には不向きですので、私は女子選手にはやらせないようにし
ておりますし、男子にも「こういう打ち方もある」と紹介する程度で、積極的には勧めて
おりません(^^;

Translates as....


Actually, this is not a correct way of hitting. It's more of a competition technique. When you hit like this you would expect the hasuji (blade edge) to be sideways at the point when the shinai impacts with the kote. After this you can move your elbow down as your body moves forward and correct the hit so your little finger is down. This gives a feeling of having hit with the correct hasuji. Unfortunately this type of kote scores ippon in Japan too.

This type of hitting is inappropriate for girls as they lack the required arm strength, so I don't teach it to female kendoists. I teach it to male kendoists to the extent that they are aware of this type of technique, but I don't go out of my way to teach it.


In regards to hitting when the opponent's kensen enters the line of your left fist (or by moving your left fist so it goes outside the line of the opponent's kensen) and then hitting straight down the line of the opponents shinai with the little finger downwards at the point of impact...


この打ち方が正しい小手打ちです。
左手を平正眼の剣先よりも中に入るように体さばきをしながら打てばOKです(^^)


Translates as...


This is the correct way of hiting kote.
Hit while moving your body (using karada-sabaki) so the left hand enters inside the kensen of the heisei-gan.


Admittedly I am unsure of the last sentence. I had explained the movement as getting the left fist outside the kensen. I think that this is what Hide-san means. I could clarify this I guess.

Hide-san is putting out a six part DVD series on kendo soon. Ichinikai is an amazing site.

[Nanbanjin]

I replied to Hide.-san and he came back with the following comments about Kirby (Deathbykendo) Smith's kendo.

I made the following comment in my original reply.


＞Kirbyが全国大会で連勝を飾るとますます真似したくなるでしょう。やはり、大会の
＞影響は大きいですね。
＞Kirby（友人で同級生なので呼び捨てにしております）もこのことが気になって質問し
＞ただろうと思いますので、これから改良の方向に向かっていくでしょう。

--->

The more Kirby keeps winning national championships the more people will want to imitate him. Competitions have a big effect don't they.
I think Kirby asked this question because he holds the same concerns, so he is probably already on the road to improvement.



Hide.-san's reply was the following.


そうですか、少しでもお役に立ちますれば幸に存じます(^^)

あの神奈川県警の宮崎正裕さんがはじめて全日本優勝された当時、やはり、彼の崩した剣
風が一気に全国に蔓延してしまいました。むろんその後、宮崎さんはご自身の剣道をどん
どん変えていかれ、今ではたいへんしっかりした剣風でありながら強さも誇っておられま
す。
Kirbyさんにおかれましても、ぜひぜひ、技術を修正されまして「なお強い」選手であってほしいと願いま すヽ(^.^)ノ

---->>

Is that so? I am happy to have been of some service.

When Miyazaki Masahiro-san of the Kanagawa Police Department first won the All Japan Championships his untidy kendo style spread throughout Japan for a period. Of course after that Miyazaki-san steadily changed his kendo, and now he he boasts kendo that is both correct and strong.
In regards to Kirby-san, I sincerely hope that he is able to correct his technique and become an "even stronger" kendoist.



Is deathbykendo out there?

Hide.'s DVD series won't be available through amazon and other retail chains due to the costs involved. He will be taking pre-orders soon.

[Kingofmyrrh]

I`m sorry if my post came across as accusatory. I certainly didn`t mean to cause any offence. Actually, I stand with you on the `straight kendo` issue, but I think it`s important to remember that it`s merely a choice of ours, and not the `only` way.
As I see it, Hide`s suggestion as to the correct way to strike kote from jodan is that using `bodywork` ie moving your body using your feet (this seems to be the standard meaning of tai-sabaki, using footwork to reorient yourself instead of pure striking footwork), one places the opponent`s kensen inside your kamae. Of course, if he wants to put it there for you and save you the trouble, then that`s fine as well!
Our coach spent a considerable time teaching us basic jodan techniques so that we might understand how to deal with it better. For basic kote, he taught two methods, neither of which is the `wrist-twisting` method that is looked down upon.
The first is basically to slide your hips slightly forward and left by sliding your left foot forward and left, then strike straight down as you draw up the right foot. The second method is similar, but for opponents who have their kensen very wide open and the first method doesn`t get past their shinai, in addition to the slight transition of your body (foot and hips) to the left, also allow the left fist to drift slightly to the left (左にずらす) and then once again strike straight down. It sounds rather simple, but is surprisingly effective (at least when the opponent is weak). Of course, it`s easy for the opponent to see what will happen, but if he goes to cover kote then men is yours for the picking. For slightly more power on either strike, use the right hand to push either down, or even slightly to the left for the second variation.
Incidentally, while sadly I am nobody special, our coach is a kendo pro with considerable jodan experience (hell, he`s even been known to use hasso in public shiai) so I feel that the information is both reliable and the `standard` info on the subject. Whether I`ve managed to understand and transmit it correctly is another matter entirely.
Thanks for the info about the DVD. 6 parts!

edit: This board doesn`t like to display what I write correctly! Should say `hidari ni zurasu`.

[Kingofmyrrh]

Meant to add this but forgot. I`ve heard from a number of people (although I am obviously in no position to confirm it) that katate waza from jodan are themselves pretty much an invention of shinai kendo and were not widely used in `the olden days`. So maybe neither of us can be correct about a technique that was from the very start separated from sword technique :) .


Please don`t take this as an inflammatory comment, just meant it as a joke.

[Nanbanjin]

I`m sorry if my post came across as accusatory. I certainly didn`t mean to cause any offence.

That's fine. None taken.

For basic kote, he taught two methods, neither of which is the `wrist-twisting` method that is looked down upon...

Thank you for the description. I hope Deathbykendo finds it of some use.

edit: This board doesn`t like to display what I write correctly! Should say `hidari ni zurasu`.

Try leaving a space in front and behind the Japanese word or phrase you use. Otherwise the encoding gets screwed up.

(左にずらす)　vs　( 左にずらす )

[Nanbanjin]

Please don`t take this as an inflammatory comment, just meant it as a joke.

上段　=　「火の位」

It's an inflammatory topic by nature.

[Inouye02]

[QUOTE=Kingofmyrrh]Our coach spent a considerable time teaching us basic jodan techniques so that we might understand how to deal with it better. For basic kote, he taught two methods, neither of which is the `wrist-twisting` method that is looked down upon.


I know Tenken has 4 different ways of hitting Kote ,

[Kingofmyrrh]

上段　=　「火の位」

It's an inflammatory topic by nature.

haha... and thanks for the tip... didn`t know about that one.

It goes without saying that there are plenty of variations on hitting kote. The same coach has used plenty of other methods against me, but he just wanted to give us an outline. Just as, for example, I have 2 different de-kote (it`s enough for me!) but I`d only ever teach the basic one to a learner.

[Nanbanjin]

All that hard work and somebody gives me a bad reputation!!

To reiterate my main point, the way deathbykendo hits kote is less than ideal, if not entirely wrong. To quote my current (and perhaps a little conservative) instructor, the only reason it scores in Australia is because the Shinpan in Australia don't know what they are doing.

[deathbykendo]

To reiterate my main point, the way deathbykendo hits kote is less than ideal, if not entirely wrong.

Yes guilty as charged I am afraid, one of my variations of kote from jodan does involve rolling the wrist and hitting with the side of the shinai. But in shiai it's very effective against heisei-gan and is great at softening them up for a men.

I am working on getting the hasuji correct for this kote cut but it's quite difficult.
But I'd be happy to show you the progress I am making next practice :)



To quote my current (and perhaps a little conservative) instructor, the only reason it scores in Australia is because the Shinpan in Australia don't know what they are doing.

Hey that's what I think everytime they don't score one of my points too :)

But seriously, as Hide-san pointed out above in your translation, "Unfortunately this type of kote scores ippon in Japan too.", I don't know why the Australian shinpan should score it any differently from the Japanese.


I replied to Hide.-san and he came back with the following comments about Kirby (Deathbykendo) Smith's kendo.

Hide.'s DVD series won't be available through amazon and other retail chains due to the costs involved. He will be taking pre-orders soon.


Please thank Hide-san for taking the time to comment on my kendo.

I'd sure like to know more about these DVD's specificly what content they cover and if they are available in English?


You're taking the piss aren't you?
You are the guy from those ACT videos...

I orginally started this thread to try and generate some more info about jodan, there aren't any sensei in my area who practice jodan, so information about it is hard to come by.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed, I am hoping to use your advice and make my kendo stronger.

Keep up those excellent translations Nan, we could sure do with some more.


Kirby

[Nanbanjin]

I have to go back to uni next week so I will have to give this forum a wide berth for a while. I was afraid I would miss your reply.


Yes guilty as charged I am afraid, one of my variations of kote from jodan does involve rolling the wrist and hitting with the side of the shinai. But in shiai it's very effective against heisei-gan and is great at softening them up for a men.

I am working on getting the hasuji correct for this kote cut but it's quite difficult.
But I'd be happy to show you the progress I am making next practice


Looking forward to seeing it! If I remember correcly when you first told me about the technique of "drawing and S with your left hand" and hitting from the side it was in the context of a technique that you had learnt at Budai that was not entirely kosher (but that was very effective).


Hey that's what I think everytime they don't score one of my points too :)

But seriously, as Hide-san pointed out above in your translation, "Unfortunately this type of kote scores ippon in Japan too.", I don't know why the Australian shinpan should score it any differently from the Japanese.


Shigeoka Sensei would say that those Japanese shinpan don't know what they are doing either. He was telling me last night that you didn't score any kote in the final at Easter because you had Japanese shinpan who did know what they were doing. I though it was because you didn't connect cleanly, but I would have to see the video if one exists to have a better idea.
I was unsure whether Hide-san meant the technique scores at some shiai (because shinpan don't know what they are doing) or that the technique is a legitimate scoring technique.


Please thank Hide-san for taking the time to comment on my kendo.

I'd sure like to know more about these DVD's specificly what content they cover and if they are available in English?


The thread on Ichinikai has reached a natural conclusion so I will wait for another opportunity to pass on your regards.
I assume that the DVDs will only be available in Japanese. I'll get back to you on the content when I have more info. I hope they're not too pricey.


I orginally started this thread to try and generate some more info about jodan, there aren't any sensei in my area who practice jodan, so information about it is hard to come by.


I dug this up when I found your pen-name. I remembered that there were some translations that I did ages ago. Hope it was helpful.


Keep up those excellent translations Nan, we could sure do with some more.


Make me happy - add something positive to my rep. Some bastard dissed me over this!


Regards,

Peter (Nanbanjin) Strauss

[deathbykendo]

He was telling me last night that you didn't score any kote in the final at Easter because you had Japanese shinpan who did know what they were doing.

In the final the last point I scored was a kote, but it was a straight kote rather that the one where I roll my wrist so that may be why.


Some bastard dissed me over this!


I can't see why, keep up the good work Peter.

Kirby

[Nanbanjin]

I can't see why, keep up the good work Peter.



I think I got in trouble for having an opinion about jodan without actually being a jodan player, and I can understand the criticism though I don't agree with it. People here tend to imitate things they have seen without having done any serious research. What works is seen as good. It's hard to be too critical of this (even if it's bloody well wrong!) because there isn't really that much information written about kendo in English. I Japan there are massive amounts of literature on any topic you care to mention that has been translated into Japanese from English and other languages. The opposite doesn't happen much. It's great to see the guys from KW doing something to fix this.

Peter

[Inouye02]

hi this is tenken. inouye02 wanted to me to say something so i was taken to his house. So, here i am. seem like everyone has thier way of hitting kote from jyodan. If you just started, yes there is only few types of kote that you could hit. I'm not going to tell all of the wazas because some of you never done jyoddn in your life. Just like the basic "seigan" you need to learn the basics first. straight hits. and the most important hits(men,kote,do). So for those people who wants to know the different types of kote from jyodan, i could only tell you some because you most of you won't be able to understand what i'll say. First the Kihon kote from jyodan is the same one the other dude said, kingofmyrr(kihon). second one is done by coming down at angle like kirikaeshi but hitting the kote. best used when someone is blocking their left men. the third one is used to a guy who's blocking their kote. When the opponent is blocking their kote with the tip of their shinai pointing to their right, swing out toward your left then when your shinai passes the their shinai, you come back to the right hittiing the kote. i have more but, i'm sure even this was kinda hard to understand. If anyone is looking for a new type of jyodan kote, do jyodan for 6 years and you'll know.

[Inouye02]

Now that Tenken has responded, why doesnt anybody say something ??????

[Nanbanjin]

Now that Tenken has responded, why doesnt anybody say something ??????
...thanks.