best hakama?

[Commander]

Does anyone know where i can get a good hakama, that will keep its shape and easy to fold?

Thanks:)

[Hai_hai]

Does anyone know where i can get a good hakama, that will keep its shape and easy to fold?

Thanks:)
Try any #10000 weight hakama.

[Masahiro]

Try a tetron one if you want a "good" hakama that keeps its shape and easy to fold. Hakama is hmm like cars, if you have the money to buy a Ferrari, then of course you will buy one. But just like cars, your hakama is only a medium. Don't take my words for it though, buy whatever it is you fancy. Experience is your best teacher. good luck. ,

[DCPan]

If you want comfort, 100%cotton is best, but the pleats needs to be maintained.

If you want ease of maintenance, I like the 100% polyester hakama (AH-500) from Tozando. It's actually an aiki-hakama made to withstand suwariwaza. I find that 100% polyester feels better/breath better than the 65%/35% polyblend.... :rolleyes: I just asked them to switch from rubber koshiita to a stiffer koshiita and add the plastic thing to hold the koshiita...can't think of the term at the moment.

[louisvandalen]

I have the best quality hakama from tozando's. It's really nice and for the first time i asked my grandma to wash it (last week). It took her 3 days to get the wrinkels out and the folds back in. Then it took her 2 more days to get the indigo of her hands. I think she disowned me by now.

But anyway, I like it a lot :).

Regards,

Louis van Dalen
www.uiteindhoven.nl (http://www.uiteindhoven.nl)

[Commander]

What do you think of the £17 one in ninecircles? Is it good for the money and quality?

[LNGUYEN]

The best hakama, I think, is the one can fly. You know, like the magic carpet. After you use it, you don't have to fold it, just tell it "good job, now go to the corner". If this didn't do, then please go to read all of the old posts from "Bogu section"

[louisvandalen]

Wow,

i want one of them, my granny will love me for that. Could you leave a link so I can order one?

Do you recon they have shinai's from the same brand?

Regards,

Lazy Lou

www.uiteindhoven.nl (http://www.uiteindhoven.nl)

[Commander]

Im trying to make a decision its between the KH-1 and the KH-4 hakama from www.ninecircles.co.uk (http://www.ninecircles.co.uk/) or the top quality tetron stitched hakama from e-bogu?

i dont know which to go for...

[webjunkie401]

As you're in Glasglow, I would say stick with nine cirlces. I don't see the difference between the two hakama there, but as e-bogu is based in the US, I think that a tetron hakama is not worth the shipping fees.

[Commander]

Cool thanks, which of the KH-1 and the KH-4 do you think is better?



Thanks

[webjunkie401]

I have no idea. The only difference I can see is that one is listed as being Korean, while the other isn't.

[Commander]

see the 10,000 indigo hakama which is on that page too, do you think that'll be alot more harder to take care of?

[D'Artagnan]

The answer is simple, You get what you pay for.

I used to have a pair, of the £17 hakama. They are crap! you would be better with either the dearer pair from from 9 circles, or the e-bogu pair.

[Commander]

i dont understand why the other hakama is £34 when it just looks the same as the £17 one, also what do you think of the 10,000 indigo hakama from ninecircles?

[lucian]

I bought the KH1 for a cheap hakama to use at home; it’s not very nice.

But in fairness it is a good cheap hakama, go for their top of the line polyester one or the Korean indigo #10000 hakama you would be getting more for your money (if its only be used for kendo)

Personally I think between #5000 or #7000 is the best hakama to use it is cool and not too heavy; #10000’s are nice but I use my #7000’s more than my #10000.



As Mr Pan (DC not peter ;) ) said the 100% polyester are really good for easy care, if you do not want the hassle of dye running, pay the extra and get a 100% polyester one they are worth it and I doubt you would regret it.

It’s a load off my mind knowing I can lob it in the dryer after its been washed without it shrinking.

Take a look at sehyun-kumdo.com you will get better quality Korean gear from them and cheaper. :D

[Commander]

which ones are 100% polyester?

[lucian]

http://tozando.com/eng/iaido/ih500.html this one is 100% poloy, I used this type for Kendo and Iaido now its only for Iai.
They work really well for Kendo too, still have to play with the pleats but they are easier and look better than the cheap poloy cotton mix.
100% cotton is better, but takes ages to dry! not sure about the Korean one they do as they never answered my questions about it.
I think bogu-ya.com still has 100% cotton Hakama and Gi on sale drop them an email they might have one in your size :)

[Commander]

it'll be too long for me :( do you know anywhere else that does 100% poly hakamas? I might need to stick to ninecircles :(

[DCPan]

Hi,

I use this one, hemmed from a size 27 to a size 25 for a nicer front panel (for those with wide girth, they did the hemming for me, no extra charge).
http://aikido.tozando.com/ah500.html

What's really attractive is the seven-line stitch in the himo, which makes it better for holding shape and holding the hakama up in seiza techniques. (The cashmere-like sheen doesn't hurt either, for the rich-boy show off in all of us! :rolleyes: )

FWIW.

[Hai_hai]

i dont understand why the other hakama is £34 when it just looks the same as the £17 one, also what do you think of the 10,000 indigo hakama from ninecircles?
All hakama look the same on the computer screen. The difference is more apparent when you feel or wear it.

[Commander]

What is a size 27? What size is that in cm? i think it may be a bit big as i am 29" around the waist

[DCPan]

What is a size 27? What size is that in cm? i think it may be a bit big as i am 29" around the waist

Try this:
http://www.bogubag.com/Uniforms/Kendo/uniforms_sizing.html

Hakama Sizing is by length only. Meaning, the templates assume you have a certain girth at a certain height. So, if you are wider than the template, the pleats start to fan out and look really bad. If you are thinner than the template, then the hakama will flatten out at the sides.

If you have the IDEAL fit, the line should run such that either:

1. The outer left front edge of the keiko-gi (kesa) runs from your inner edge of the left clavicle down to the right front superior iliac crest (front right top tip of hip bone), and contingue down the front corner edge of your hakama.

2. The line of the keiko-gi (kesa) runs parallel the front right corner edge of your hakama.

In my opinion, option #1 looks better than option #2.

FWIW.

[Commander]

I am sticking to tetron or 100% poly because its easy to take care of i've found this one http://kendo.tozando.com/hakama/he61.html What do you think of it? Better than e-bogu's and ninecircles tetron hakama's?


Thank you :)

[Commander]

P.S im going to give Tozando a miss as shipping is very expensive from Japan to the UK so it's between ninecircles tetron or e-bogu's (or if anyone has seen any nicer ones?)

Thanks :)

[sketchy]

I have the e-bogu #8000 cotton and they feel and look great. They have more heft then the club ordered pait I got and keep their pleats if folded. The himo (sashes) feel nice and are ... chunkier then my other pair. the thickness of the cotton make the pleats stand out a bit more and the under stitching assists in keepign the pleat..

[Hai_hai]

...The outer left front edge of the keiko-gi (kesa) runs from your inner edge of the left clavicle down to the right front superior iliac crest (front right top tip of hip bone), and contingue down the front corner edge of your hakama....
Dude, I don't know anyone this an@l about keiko-gi.

[DCPan]

Dude, I don't know anyone this an@l about keiko-gi.

Who was it that started a poll on Tare embroidery lines? :smoker: I don't even know how many is on mine, nor am I going to bother to count it for your poll. :rolleyes:

Really, Hai Hai, as I've mentioned previously, knowing what something should be like is different from PAYING for it. My keiko-gi is not in line like the way I want it to.

IMHO, you should talk to your psychiatrist about your fixation on rich-boy show-offs before you talk about other people's fixations.

Sincerely,

[Neil Gendzwill]

David, you do have to admit you are a little more, erm, attentive to the details of your equipment than most.

[DCPan]

David, you do have to admit you are a little more, erm, attentive to the details of your equipment than most.

I've never said I'm not a perfectionist! :rolleyes:

I've only as @nal about the details of my equipment as Hai Hai is @nal about his t**lling (I mean, unsolicited editorial comments).

Sincerely,

[Commander]

Isn't cotton hakama's harder to keep? (the pleats?)

[webjunkie401]

Yes, but you'll probably have to learn how to take care of one at some point.

[Hai_hai]

Who was it that started a poll on Tare embroidery lines?...
Okay, so I am into looks.
But right front superior iliac crest??? That... is way over the top and insane.

[Hai_hai]

DCPan,
Yes, I like fancy bogu. Big deal. I don't need to see a shrink about that.
My comment about you being too an@l was about the preciseness of how a keiko-gi fits was just a comment. Do you actually check to see if a keiko-gi fits the exact body parts as you mentioned?

[DCPan]

DCPan,
Yes, I like fancy bogu. Big deal. I don't need to see a shrink about that.


Hi Hai Hai,

If you like fancy bogu, why do you take shots at others for liking the same?

I would ask you to sit down and talk about it and start the timer for my service fee, but this is hardly the time and the place. :rolleyes:



My comment about you being too an@l was about the preciseness of how a keiko-gi fits was just a comment.

I was simply responding to your comment with a comment of my own. If you are concerned with the way my off-handed response appeared to you, perhaps you should reconsider how your comments come off to other people. As far as I'm concerned, it would appear that my response carried the message I wanted it to carry.


Do you actually check to see if a keiko-gi fits the exact body parts as you mentioned?

I've already ansnwered this question. I would like it if it were so, but it isn't because I don't find the financial investment to make it so worthwhile at the moment. Paying a 20% service charge for custom-fit ain't worth it, IMHO.

This attention to detail is simply a natural expression of how I think.

It all started with how the hakama himo should correspond with anatomical landmarks to produce the correct biofeedback to assist your breathing in training. With Iai, I started considering how the obi fits into the equation.

It was only natural to consider the keiko-gi after that...you don't want it to overlap too much or too little, so where should it go?

Take a little time looking at the photos of professional kendo teachers, and you'll see that they almost all fit a particular way...for those that care about such things.

Impractical you say?

Tell me how you can tie the hakama to induce the pelvic tilt and remind you to use your koshi.

FWIW, lessons abound in every little detail, if you are willling to look for it.

Sincerely,

[louisvandalen]

According to my granny (whom actually did disown me after washing my hakama) the cotton hakama is really hard to get back in shape. She wasted 2 ironingboards just to get the wrinckels out and another 2 to get the pleats back in. Can't believe this fancy indigo dye neither. It keeps bleeding for ages so unless you wanne look like a smurf after training stick to the other "paintjobs" (and my dojo has white tenugi to, talking bout smurfs).

It's nice but you really need a grandma or willing mother with lots of spare time to own one. Or never wash it and smell like Yak poo after a month or so (seems to be very traditional).

Regards,

Louis

www.uiteindhoven.nl (http://www.uiteindhoven.nl)

[LNGUYEN]

It's nice but you really need a grandma or willing mother with lots of spare time to own one. Or never wash it and smell like Yak poo after a month or so (seems to be very traditional).



No, you just need a wife :evolved:

[Neil Gendzwill]

According to my granny (whom actually did disown me after washing my hakama) the cotton hakama is really hard to get back in shape.
Not so bad. Hand-wash in the tub or machine wash gentle. If you machine wash, you might want to put a stitch at the end of each pleat just to keep them for sure. After washing, run a load of jeans and/or clean out with Spray-9 or some similar good cleaning spray, otherwise you'll leave indigo all over the washing machine/tub. Straighten all the pleats out and smooth the material before hanging to dry. Iron before it is completely dry. Use a clean old tenugui between the iron and the pleats to avoid making the material shiny. Hint - hooking the top end of the pleat over the edge of the ironing board helps to keep the hakama in place as you do each pleat. To keep your mom/grandma/wife happy, buy an ironing board cover that is dedicated to kendo stuff and use that when ironing instead of her normal one.

[Commander]

By the way can you stitch cottom hakamas? (just wondering cos my mum is a seamstress) :)

[DCPan]

By the way can you stitch cottom hakamas? (just wondering cos my mum is a seamstress) :)

I had the pleats stitched on my first cotton hakama (10000 weave).

Unfortunately, the hakama shrunk a little in the wash after the pleats have been stitched...because it didn't shrink evenly, the stitched actually looked worse.

Besides, I don't like the feeling of sitting on stitched pleats in seiza.

FWIW.

[louisvandalen]

No, you just need a wife :evolved:
I know, but she just left me and ran off with my shinai.

Regards,

Louis

[fe-taru tora]

the 7000 series hakama from e bogu is easy to care for I have washed it like 5 or 6 time and it still lokks and feels great

[fe-taru tora]

I know, but she just left me and ran off with my shinai.

Regards,

Louis

OUTCH !!!
I hope you called the shinia a homo afterwards.... sorry that homo thing was from a old thread

[ben spain]

I have a similar problem. I have been told that euro-bogu (www.eurobogu.net (http://www.eurobogu.net)) is pretty good (and postage is free!). I am in the process of finding a decent but cost effective supplier as well.
Nine circles is definatly over priced - especially for Bougu. Try some Korean suppliers like www.mykendo.com (http://www.mykendo.com) (I hope you can read Korean!). Postage should not be a huge problem and you can get a huge saving on the better quality items- again especially if you are buying Bougu as well!